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Open thread: Regular season game 45


The essentials:
Jazz (28-18) at Wizards (24-20)
8 p.m.
Verizon Center
ESPN

Last year:
January 15: Wizards 114, Jazz 111.
March 26: Jazz 103, Wizards 97.

Notable Jazz numbers this season
8th in expected winning percentage (.661).
8th in pace factor (92.8 possessions per game).
3rd in offensive efficiency/offensive rating (113.1)
18th in defensive efficiency/defensive rating (107.8).

Key links (drop any others in the comments)
Jazz Notes
My Utah Jazz
Basketball John
Wizards Insider: The latest on the injuries.

Starting lineups:
Jazz
PG: Deron Williams
SG: Ronnie Brewer
SF: Andrei Kirilenko
PF: Carlos Boozer
C: Mehmet Okur

Wizards
PG: Antonio Daniels
SG: DeShawn Stevenson
SF: Caron Butler/Andray Blatche
PF: Antawn Jamison
C: Brendan Haywood

Tonight's lines:
Jazz at Wizards: Jazz by 5.
Over/Under on total scoring: 201 points.

ESPN!

Getting healthy, part II: First, because it's more important than anything, here's an update from Wizards Insider (linked above) about Caron's status.

"Caron Butler attended shootaround this morning but only did light shooting and his status for tonight's game is undecided. I spoke with him last night and he said the hip was felling a little better but it was still tight and I could tell that he was concerned that it could be a lingering issue if he pushes it. Also, the guy had a nasty stomach virus for a few days and had to get an IV because he couldn't keep any food or water down. He's still feeling pretty wobbly."

Yesterday, Mike Jones (who!) wrote that Butler wouldn't play tonight, and while things may have changed a bit, it looks like we probably won't see him out there tonight.  To me, this is fine, so long as it means he will play Sunday.  Utah is playing spectacular ball right now, and the Lakers just got Pau Gasol, so if we have any chance of winning one of these two games, we need Butler.  The East is too tight to give away games, so while it's okay for Butler to sit tonight, we definitely should be sure he plays Sunday.

That didn't exactly make sense.  Basically, Butler needs to return healthy, but he also needs to play for us to win, which is the bottom line.

Speaking of Gasol...: I don't want to waste your time with Gasol-to-Lakers thoughts, so this'll be quick.

The Lakers officially kick ass.

That's all.  I could bore you with the details, but they'll all lead to the same conclusion.  For our purposes, the best part about this trade is Kwame playing in Memphis and Juan Carlos Navarro not being able to play with his buddy after all.  Poetic justice, thy name is the NBA.

Where high scores happen: Face it, with or without Butler, we're not stopping the Jazz offensively tonight.  AD is banged up, so I don't see him doing a good job defending Deron Williams.  Antawn Jamison has improved his defense tremendously, but he always struggles with Mehmet Okur.  Those two and Carlos Boozer are their three key offensive guys, and they each pose their own set of problems.  

Looking at the numbers, obviously it's not surprising to see the Jazz way up there in offense.  What's more surprising, however, is that they're playing at the eighth-fastest pace in the league.  Last year, they were 15th in pace factor, and I could have sworn they were lower than that.  

In thinking about the difference, my guess was the insertion of youngsters Ronnie Brewer and C.J. Miles in the regular rotation.  Really, though, it's probably a more general thing, because it definitely seems Deron Williams is looking to push the ball more.  Also, the fact that their defense remains subpar probably has something to do with it.

Oh joy.  Get ready for smallball: I can probably guarantee this, honestly.  

With Carlos Boozer and Mehmet Okur, the Jazz have a very unconventional frontcourt.  Boozer is the inside guy, Okur is the soft outside marksman.  That dynamic is key to their success -- when Okur was down in December, the Jazz struggled, and when he returned this month, they promptly retook the Northwest Division lead.  They're a really tough matchup offensively for anyone.

The question here is, who does Brendan Haywood guard?  Normally, Jamison guards Okur and Haywood guards Boozer, but Boozer's too quick laterally for Brendan, particularly off the ball.  I've always felt Boozer's genius is actually when he doesn't have the ball instead of when he does have it.  If so, it's a tough job for Haywood, who is constantly asked to defend the paint.  

Normally, Eddie Jordan deals with this problem by going small.  Well, normally, before this year, Jordan dealt with any problem by going small.  Now that there's a reason to do so, I'm almost positive it will happen, and it will hurt us defensively.

Almost forgot: Bullets Forever made our own big trade today, acquiring truthaboutit in return for Vanilla Gorilla and sierradave (who were promptly bought out and brought back after a desperation plea on their parts).  I'm half-kidding, but in all seriousness, truthaboutit is now going to post every other one of his live-blogs on Bullets Forever instead of his own site, which gives those who watched games a more prompt postgame thread and those who didn't watch a way to follow the action. He'll post his first one here tonight and go every other game thereafter.  I'm really excited about this development, and I hope you guys are as well.

Keys to the game: Drive.  Utah surrenders the most free throws per shot attempt, mostly because, with Okur and Boozer, they have two guys that aren't shot blockers, but masquerade as ones anyway.  This will be tough without Butler in the game, which makes Daniels a key.  If he's in the game and forcing Deron Williams to play defense, we have a chance at succeeding.  If he's simply content with passing off and allowing Jamison and DeShawn Stevenson to fire away, we're in trouble.  Daniels needs to be aggressive tonight for us to have any chance.

This is an open game thread, so reminisce about this here.

GO WIZARDS!

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Jazz, Under.

Ivan Carter says Butler is out.

by Aldo on Feb 1, 2008 7:08 PM EST   0 recs

Link?
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Feb 1, 2008 7:25 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

picks
jazz, over

Sweet pic of the mailman in the old 'mountaintop' uni.

-sw

by Steve Weinman on Feb 1, 2008 7:26 PM EST   0 recs

Picks
Jazz. Defintely.

Unless Caron is playing.

If Caron plays then I take the Wizards, definitely.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 7:37 PM EST   0 recs

This is gonna get real ugly
Without Caron we could fall off bigtime, he needs to get back soon because we have a tough schedule.

Its gonna get very ugly, very quickly, if he doesnt get back for tonights game.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 7:41 PM EST   0 recs

If the Grizzlies were giving away Gasol?
Why wold they give him away to a western team? They couldnt have gave him to us? They gave him to a team in their own conference, that is like the cardinal rule...... broken.??????? How does that make sense.

Shoot, we couldve gave them at least SOMETHING for him, right?

Give them Blatche or Nick young and then threw in a bunch of crap. That easily beats the Lakers deal.

Wouldnt you think that with all the teams that could desperately use Pau Gasol (Hawks, Bulls, Nets, Sixers, Kings, etc etc etc etc etc) that the Grizzlies wouldve gotten a better return and sent him to the East? Why not land a Josh Childress, or a Sean Williams or a Ben Gordon for him?

It just doesnt make much sense...... I'll tell you waht does make sense to me though....

 Bynum, Pau Gasol, Lamar Odom, Kobe Bryant, Derek Fisher.... along with one of the very best benches in the NBA.... plus Phil Jackson as their coach!!!

Lakers/Celtics will be this years finals matchup. DEFINITELY.

Dammit, they just reportd that Caron aint playing. This is gonna get VERY VERY VERY VERY ugly tonight.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 7:46 PM EST   0 recs

Because
We have no big expiring contracts like Kwame Brown.   It's not always about the straight talent given up in a trade.  Memphis saved 10 million dollars in this trade, and are now going to be major players in the free agent market.
You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Feb 1, 2008 7:56 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Not until they get a new owner
They wont. I heard theyre having a fire sale per order of their owner who is trying to sell the team....... selling to new ownership on the idea of flexibility (no contracts after this season)and young talent(Gay, Lowry, Conley, this years lottery pick, etc.).

So theyre trying to have as cheap of a roster as possible going into next year in order to sell the team to new ownership and thats why they didnt care about giving him away to a wesern team, its a fire sale.

Just what i've heard tho

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:14 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

So...yeah
We kind of are saying the same team, owner selling or not.  

I never understood the "trading within your conference" rule.  It's something pundits like to trot out, but really doesn't make any sense.  I think nearly every GM in the league is just looking to get value, no matter where it comes from.  

Now, if you're talking same division, that might be different, but we aren't here.  

You know you'll get devoured by Cheaney, Wallace, and Juwan Howard.

by Pradamaster on Feb 2, 2008 2:52 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Jazz, under
I've been known to be right.

by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 1, 2008 7:46 PM EST   0 recs

DAMMIT!!!!!! SO DISSAPOINTING!
24-14.

Thats what we went since that 0-5 start....... then Caron gets hurt in the middle of that terrible Milwaukee game and now we're falling off bigtime.

So ugly, so so so so so ugly.... we're a very good team and that 24-14 shows that, the 0-5 was an abberation and now this injury (That happened in our effortless no-show as a team) kills us into another abberation......... this is gonna get ugly.

Frustrating. So frustrating, we're better than that.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 7:49 PM EST   0 recs

picks
So picks are

Jazz
Under (Jazz will score 110 but no way we reach 93 tonight without Caron).

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 7:55 PM EST   0 recs

By the way
Kwame has now been traded for 2 players immensely better than he is (Caron and Gasol). Strange.
I've been known to be right.

by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 1, 2008 8:05 PM EST   0 recs

Oh no,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Damn, i cant bear to watch.

WE aRE IN BIG BIG BIG TROUBLE WITHOUT CARON, THIS COULD BE WORSE THAN THE OTHER NIGHT AGAINST TORONTO.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 8:07 PM EST   0 recs

Blatche
could save the day if anybody could.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 8:11 PM EST   0 recs

Jazz, over
I was gonna make some crappy joke about wanting to feed my family, but decided against it.

If Gilby ends up in Memphis, because of the expiring contract of Kwame Brown, my head might explode. Not saying that's gonna happen, but if it does...

The Washington Wizards: providing career scoring nights for unknown opposing bench players since 2004.

by mamemimo on Feb 1, 2008 8:14 PM EST   0 recs

Guh
What a sloppy game from both teams so far.
Bullets Forever: Your place for the very latest in Wizards news and PhD-level analysis.

by JakeTheSnake on Feb 1, 2008 8:18 PM EST   0 recs

I probably shouldn't complain though
Considering it's the best shot we have at winning.
Bullets Forever: Your place for the very latest in Wizards news and PhD-level analysis.

by JakeTheSnake on Feb 1, 2008 8:19 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

Guys im sorry
im sorry that im so worrisome, such a worry-wort...... its just without Caron and Gilbert both and knowing how great we were doing as such a very good team this year with our defense and their are so many positives added this year with our chemistry and the improvements of Deshawn, Brendan, and Blatche, Nick Young and Mason... plus AD contributing(and breakout year for Caron)

24-14 from that 0-5 start on...... then the milwaukee game was so frustrating and Caron got hurt and Ive been worrying so much ever sicne and just been a basket-case when it comes ot the wiz cuz i know we have some real tough teams coming up and we blew an opportunity with the lack of effort vs Milwaukee and we could easily be 26-18 now instead of 24-20 if we pulled out that milwaukee game and caron didnt get hurt.... plus if we didnt have that abberation 0-5 start we could be right around 28-17 like Orlando.....

Im sorry, we're a very good team and better than our record and i worry alot without Caron and the tough schedule right now til the break (Plus us being better than what our record is already so this could hurt us even more)...... im just nervous. Sorry guys.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 8:20 PM EST   0 recs

Our bench
Performs so terribly when they dont have Caron out there with them making plays for them and being the focal point of the offense.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 8:41 PM EST   0 recs

Wow
this is pathetic offense.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 9:04 PM EST   0 recs

On the bright side
Deron Williams & Carlos Boozer = 2 points.
Bullets Forever: Your place for the very latest in Wizards news and PhD-level analysis.

by JakeTheSnake on Feb 1, 2008 9:10 PM EST to parent up   0 recs

I think
Jazz,Definitely!

by hoyymmnn on Feb 1, 2008 9:30 PM EST   0 recs

Oh snap!
Blatche just Posey'd Carlos Boozer!
Bullets Forever: Your place for the very latest in Wizards news and PhD-level analysis.

by JakeTheSnake on Feb 1, 2008 9:32 PM EST   0 recs

Were tired
you can tell we are extremely tired in this 8-0 run in the last 3 minutes.

6 minutes left, do we have enough gas? Only positive is next foul we're in the penalty...... are we too fatigued to even hit our free throws?

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:11 PM EST   0 recs

Where are our guys, we need em we've gone down....
since theyve wnet out of the game......

Where is haywood and daniels? We need them bad, 5 minutes to go. 9 point game.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:17 PM EST   0 recs

No way without Caron
Just wasnt gonna happen. Especially once AD went out for whatever reason (Damn he is fragile.), and with Deshawn having a nightmare shooting night and with us missing 8 lay-ups..........

those things all killed us, but we werent gonna win this game with no caron anyways.

Good effort.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:23 PM EST   0 recs

Last thing...... I said good effort, should say...
......Good effort from the starters. Terrible effort from the bench, just a very bad effort from them. Zero points, Zero rebounds, Zero impact, Zero worth.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:27 PM EST   0 recs

Caron.
Caron has let his team down. What a wimp. I cant believe he's missed 3 games with this, and especially cant believe he didnt play tonight after that 30 point loss to Toronto and knowing that we needed him against a very good team tonight.

Terrible........ what a waste this has been ever since that Milwaukee game and the Caron "injury".

Im joking by the way, obviously Caron is extremely tough and will play as soon as he can. Great player.....

but as a fan ever since that milwaukee game has been a bit frustrating.

by billy332 on Feb 1, 2008 10:33 PM EST   0 recs

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