Knicks Vs. Wizards Recap: Jeremy Lin Goes Off, Washington Loses, 107-93
The Washington Wizards fell victim to the Jeremy Lin show. Hard to really come away from this game with any other conclusion. Lin showed the world again why he's legitimate, and the Knicks completely picked the Wizards apart in the pick and roll in winning, 107-93. It ended up being one of the most embarrassing losses for the Wizards all season, if only because of the inevitable Lin vs. John Wall framing that tells us absolutely nothing about why this game was lost.
Wall had 29 points and one turnover in the entire game. Wall was not the reason the Wizards lost. In fact, without Wall, they probably lose by 30. The Wizards' pick and roll coverage was awful, and the big men were mostly to blame. Lin can certainly change speeds beautifully, but the Wizards' big men never were able to prevent him from getting inside the free-throw line extended. Proper pick and roll coverage involves Wall pressuring the ball, the big man stepping out and beating the guard to the spot and Wall recovering quickly, in that order. The second part of the chain kept breaking down, and that is why the Wizards lost.
Credit Lin, of course. He's definitely good. But the Wizards as a team didn't show up, outside of Wall and Trevor Booker. Let's not get caught up in the narrative framing here.
More notes:
- The Wizards' early pick and roll coverage on Jeremy Lin was very soft. I blame JaVale McGee here. When Lin comes off the screen, McGee stayed back, and Lin's just too smart finding Tyson Chandler rolling to the basket. To stop Lin, the Wizards need to get their bigs out hedging hard, and McGee instead stood in no-man's land.
- If Booker can consistently knock down a 17-foot jump shot, it makes him a threat in post-up isolations. That's why that shot is so important. Jared Jeffries dared him to take it, and he set him up well to get it in rhythm.
- You can see the growth of John Wall's pick and roll game with one sequence early in the first quarter. Wall drove left off a screen and slowed up like many other point guards do. However, he wasn't trying to draw the primary defender or even the big man helping out on the pick and roll. Instead, he was reading Bill Walker, who was guarding Chris Singleton in the weakside corner. Wall held the ball just long enough to cause Walker to sink into the paint, then delivered a beautiful cross-court pass to Singleton for the wide-open three.
- Jordan Crawford came into the game and immediately fell back into his bad habit of dribbling without a purpose, launching a horrible shot over Jared Jeffries after killing the shot clock. Unless you're really good, in this league, you have to make your dribbles count. Crawford too often doesn't.
- If Kevin Seraphin is ever going to be a post player, he has to get low on his dribbles when he backs in on players. It's way too easy for defenders to poke the ball away and force him into fadeaways that have no chance of going in.
- The big thing Lin does so well in the pick and roll is stay low with his dribble. It allows him to be deceptively quick. With less ground to cover when accelerating to the rim, he's able to change speeds pretty easily. Whereas, if a player has trouble changing speeds, it's usually because he tries to get lower as he's doing it instead of staying low and just controlling that. This is something Wall often struggles with.
- The Wizards go for so many pump fakes.
- What is JaVale McGee doing not passing to Nick Young or anyone else when he got a steal?
- Not to take away from Lin, but this game really shows the value of someone like Tyson Chandler. He nails every single screen and has such a great feel for when to roll, when to slip and when to set a bone-crushing screen in transition. He has the willingness and the game. It makes life sooooo much easier for Lin. Wall, on the other hand, has ...
- Wall really took it to Lin late in the quarter, sensing that his teammates didn't have it. He was working on floaters before the game and often works on floaters before games. He showed off that body control in the air late in the quarter.
- The Wizards did a much better job fighting over ball screens on Lin and recovering to three-point shooters early in the third quarter. They didn't really change anything up with their coverages. They just executed better. Credit Wall for fighting over more screens and the weakside defenders for not getting caught drifting off their men.
- Young is the most indecisive post-entry passer I've ever seen.
- The jumper that Booker hit early in the first quarter set up his drive to the basket for the reverse layup in the third quarter. That's why the development of Booker's 18-foot jumper is so important. Later in the third quarter, Chandler even bit on a pump fake that Booker threw at him in the post. You don't do that if you're as smart a defender as Chandler unless you think that shot is a legitimate threat.
- Lin's legit, no doubt. Playing him tight man-to-man can be difficult because of how he can change speeds - witness his crossover on Wall for the dunk. Lots of people are going to wonder about Wall, but you have to remember that there is no such thing as true man-to-man defense anymore. Wall got very little support from his big men. Booker would jump out to cut off Lin, but not jump far enough out to cut off the angle. Lin would sneak away left, then cross over back to the right to force the matchup against the big man. All of these things are wonderful, of course, but they also speak to the need to have big men who can guard the pick and roll.
- Did Wall look at this a bit too much like a one-on-one matchup? Perhaps. But he was also the only one who could do anything offensively, and the game was starting to get away from the Wizards. We praise great players for taking it on themselves when the rest of their teammates are struggling. That's what Wall did. Unfortunately, his teammates never caught up.
- I will say I was wrong in this respect - I thought going small would be a good thing against Lin. Instead, it opened up the Knicks for offensive rebounds. I know McGee was struggling early, but maybe this was a good time to go back to him.
- The Knicks were really good on the weakside in this game. Fields looked like the Fields of old, making timely basket cuts as his man turned his head. The tic-tac-toe passing between Lin, Chandler and Fields is the kind of play where you have all the elements working out. It's the footballization of basketball in action. On this team, Wall may have been a beat late on the pass, McGee would have committed an offensive foul and Young would have stayed in the right corner. All these elements are needed to make a point guard look good, and a point guard can make all these elements good.
- It really came down to letting Lin get to his sweet spot too easily. In this case, his sweet spot is the right elbow. The Wizards needed to provide a hard hedge and cut him off before he gets there. Once he gets there, you're trailing him, and he can pick you apart finding the open man. Wall's job is to pressure and recover, but he needs support from his big men. If the big man can't prevent Lin from dribbling to his sweet spot, then there's literally nothing Wall can do to prevent Lin from finding Chandler or finishing. The big men have to divert Lin's path away from the hoop instead of trying to trail him.
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look at the 3pt disparity
i’d say that’s our top priority, well, along with rebounding. but having even 1 person capable of shooting 3s. look what the knicks did, and about every other team does to us, in that category. nick and jcraw are dogs. so not only do we need a pf, we really really really need a starting and a backup sg.
smh Nick is a good 3 pt shooter
Whatever his shortcomings
by rgc19 on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Lin isn't special
He got lucky by getting into D’Antonis system He didn’t do anything special today. Put him in our awful offensive system, and he would come back down to earth. I just HATE our offensive system. I can’t take it anymore. It’s a system that generates jumpshots. Mainly what they do is have the wings curl off screens for jumpshots. Just look at the Knicks’ system. They run the high PNR every play, while we never do, and when we do, we don’t run it right. Put Wall in the Knicks system, and he would be able to get to the rim at wil and would look much better. Wall can’t reach his potential in a system like this. It’s the main reason why this caching staff needs to go. In the offseason, the management needs to do their dud diligence and hire a competent offensive coach
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by DMVLeGenD on Feb 8, 2012 9:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Lin's strength
essentially comes down to pick and roll execution. Good system or no, that something our players are simply mediocre at.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Having a guy like Chandler . . .
definitely helps as well when executing the pick-and-roll.
by Vegas010 on Feb 8, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Flip said they practiced defending it all the time
They had to. Nearly every team in the league is centered around it offensively
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions
i really don't think you're giving lin enough credit.
yes, toney douglas sucks giant donkey balls, and it helps that lin didnt have to worry about passing to melo or amare.
lin’s not an all-star but three straight 20+ games isn’t a fluke.
3 games playing well isn't a fluke?
Blatche would like to have a word with you.
by Craig_ on Feb 8, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Knucklehead alert...
That’s really bad analysis. Yeah it’s your opinion and it’s wrong (with the exception of one thing). He didn’t do anything special today? What game are you watching? He just steamrolled over my Wiz and did it with flair.
Lin makes everybody around him better (just ask Chandler, Jeffries, Fields, Walker, and Novak). Wall at this stage does not. Lin has earned his teammates respect and belief.
The one thing you are right on is the “system”. I’m not talking about X and Os. I’m talking about the knucklehead syndrome that has plagued the Wiz for awhile now. It’s in the water. It’s in the culture. I know Ted is going to change it…but it doesn’t happen overnight.
by ucantstopbernard on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
Did you see the first half?
I’ll give the guy credit — he has been very efficient against 3 of the NBA’s bottom 6 defenses.
I also remember the first 6 games by Blatche’s after the Jamison trade. Amazingly he has continued to maintain a 25 point per game average on 60 percent shooting average with 12 rebounds a game. Who would have guessed?
From what I understand, in the summer Wall was making his All-Star laden teams look pretty good as well. Talent around the PG matters in evaluation of the PG. Maybe we are seeing Wall elevating the game of his teammates — it’s just hard to notice, because there isn’t a lot of gap between what they are and what they might become in a best case scenario.
Our system is atrocious - COMPLETELY the wrong system for our players
How does Grunfeld draft a player like Vesely who can’t shoot the ball at all when our entire offensive system is predicated around shooting the jumper?
We so rarely get easy buckets. We aren’t driving to the rim, we aren’t getting to the foul line, we aren’t getting layups or a lot of putbacks. McGee’s a ridiculous asset we’re not effectively using. We never get him the ball with momentum towards the basket. It’s obscene how rarely we run the pick and roll.
From top to bottom, we need change. With Grunfeld’s contract up, hopefully Ted takes the opportunity to interview a number of other candidates and hear some diverse opinions about where we should be taking this team moving forward.
by Max Zamphirescu on Feb 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
and you nailed it. Basketball is about getting easy bucket. The team that does that wins over 90% of the time
We cant do that and is why we constantly lose
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well said, you just boiled down all the Xs and Os to the simple core truth
Whatever happens from here on out, the Lin story is GREAT for the NBA.
Now, where can we find one of those?
by khrabb on Feb 9, 2012 6:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Knicks offense breaks down into a chuckin fest in a lot of the games I have seen...
as a team they have shot 595 of them and the Wizards in comparison have shot 366. Also, I have not seen a lot of their players (guards, forwards) taking it to the rim in those games either beside Amare every now and then—like the last game he played against the Bulls. He attacked a lot in that one driving to the rim instead of settling for the jumper. Melo was a iso specialist in a two of the games I watched. I did not see the Knicks game against the Wizards, but Lin had a good one. Was he penetrating a lot and getting to the rim other than the dunk.
"Booze takes a lot of time and effort if you're going to do a good job with it."
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GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
if you consider all game long a lot, then yes
he killed us penetrating, as he has three other teams. he is good- flat out. super smart, super skilled at the PNR, good shot, and makes everyone better…pretty much everything you want a PG to be
by les boulez bomber on Feb 10, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, saw some of the Lakers game...
he looked really quick and went right down the center of the defense on a couple of plays (granted he was playing against 88 year old Fisher) and the outside shot was on also. Will be interesting to see if he can be consistent over the next twenty games or so. How it looks now, I don’t see why he could not be, but time will tell.
"Booze takes a lot of time and effort if you're going to do a good job with it."
― Raymond Carver, Where I'm Calling From: New and Selected Stories
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
he wont shoot north of 50% forever but they have some good players returning soon. His knowledge of the game is not going away though. And it is not outright speed that is blowing by Fisher et al, he changes speeds very well which makes him tough to guard.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 11, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
LOL, Fisher is older than dirt...
no need for you to explain further lol. Once Melo gets back, he will need the ball in his hands to be effective and hopefully get in those iso’s and eff up the offense. Hope Lin does ok, not so much the Knicks.
"Booze takes a lot of time and effort if you're going to do a good job with it."
― Raymond Carver, Where I'm Calling From: New and Selected Stories
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
ok, but my point is that Lin has blown by JW and every other PG not named Fisher just as easily. It is because he changes gears so well. It isn’t outright speed like it is with JW.
yeah, fisher is old. did you hear that rumor we might trade for him lol
by les boulez bomber on Feb 11, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
no, don't do it...
unless you are trading a big bag of potatoes for him lol. Fair point on Lin. I still would like to see what he is doing twenty, twenty five games into it to see if he can be consistent. He did have 6 turnover last night also and 8 against Utah also. He has played great overall though and I hope he does well—Knicks, not so much. Muck it up Melo :)
"Booze takes a lot of time and effort if you're going to do a good job with it."
― Raymond Carver, Where I'm Calling From: New and Selected Stories
GET TO THE RIM HEAT (and SKY)! ATTACK THE PAINT!
haha fair enough. Clearly he has to prove not to be a flash in the pan or it is all a mute point. He’s off to a good start.
The pressure is on Melo to conform.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
He might be available in free agency for someone
Clearly the NYK have some decisions to make this offseason. They are at 60mm committed before walker, novak, fields, jeffries, and lin
if you want to make him a 7-10mm per year offer, someone might be able to snag him away. he is the biggest marketer for china and already has 250,000 “twitter” followers in one week. and they bumped the Lakers game Fri night up to a national broadcast over there
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 11:45 AM EST up reply actions
wall is being dominated by PG after PG
I am hoping he takes this a challenge to come out next year and not allow any journeyman PG to do what has been done to him this year.
Better offensive game from him though….
It wasn't totally his fault though.
Most of Lin’s points came off of the pick and roll.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 8, 2012 9:40 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
This
Wall would be able to dominate too if we ran the PNR as much as the Knicks.
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If we ran the PnR well you mean. With bigs that could set good picks and a PG who could hit a jumper (although Wall’s been pretty good at that recently).
by DCSportsAllDay on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Basketball q:
Why can’t our bigs set screens? Is it really difficult to learn?
Not really
Its all about the mindset. If you don’t want to set a good screen then you won’t set a good screen. Booker seems to set solid screens but McGee wants nothing to do with them and as a result he generally just stands there as the defender goes right past him making no contact.
by blackdog3377 on Feb 8, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont think they have a good feel for the game. knowing when to move to set the screen, anticipate where the defender will be and hence they should be, how long to hold it, when to release and roll. etc
by les boulez bomber on Feb 10, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
we are not good at doing two things in sequence
so if you have to run then stop, we get confused and mess it up
by les boulez bomber on Feb 10, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
no we wouldn't
we don’t run the PnR because we’re not good at it.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Wall and Booker . . .
were the only thing right with the team tonight. Offensively, Wall limited Lin in the first and second period. Things started falling apart as the team fell into a hole. Offensively, it was a solid game. Wall had the better of the match-up through the first half, but aside from Booker, he had no support. I suspect Wall and the Wizards would look much better if they had a smart veteran like Chandler guarding the paint and killing it on the high screen and pick-and-roll.
i'm surprised to hear you say that.
Lin’s success had almost nothing to do with Wall. IMHO the one positive of this game is John continued to get better which is all that matters at this point. Watching tonight I wouldnt take Lin over Wall in a million years.
That said, tonight was a pile-driver of a loss. One of those nights where you can’t scapegoat anyone no matter how hard you might try, the team overall just SUCKS outside of Wall and to a nice extent Booker.
by DCrez on Feb 8, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
My thought too . . .
I wouldn’t trade Wall for Lin, but I would definitely trade the rest of the Wizards team for the rest of the Knicks team — even minus Baron Davis, Carmelo, and Stoudamire. Chandler and Landry Fields would represent a major upgrade alone.
Ok...John Wall wasn't dominated by John Lucas
or Chris Paul last year with Tyson Chandler….or Jose Calderon a few days ago.
Maybe outplayed is a better term, but we need to be consistent. Yes, the team defense is absymal. But are we really arguing that Wall played great defense on Lin only to be let down by his teammates, but when Chris Paul does the same thing last year with the same center, that was Paul teaching John a lesson? Rondo seems to run the p&r pretty well, but I don’t recall us saying, well Wall wasn’t at fault when he went off.
I don’t think he can be absolved in totality for Lin being able to basically do as he pleased, but even so, my main point is at some point Wall is going to figure out a way to stop these journeymen…stars will be stars…
I stated he played well on offense (although he did have his pocket picked more than once by Lin, and reverted to track and field mode periodically). But that offense doesn’t influence my view on the other end. He needs help, no doubt. But he also will need to help himself. Example – Lin’s dunk. The help D was terrible. But Wall was crossed up big time after anticipating Lin’s going right and got beat. An example of shared responsibility.
But it is true, when his teammates improve, he will improve.
by DavidDunn on Feb 9, 2012 7:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
He didn't get dominated tonight
However, I agree that his defense should be better.
I said Wall reminds me of DWade in the game thread. Largely because of his speed and quickness and athleticism. I would love that athleticism to make an impact on the defensive end. Because Wade’s D can be smothering and disruptive and donibant. Wall should be everywhere on the court, but he struggles staying in front of his own man.
Hopefully this comes along with experience and time. I think he’ll get a lot better on D.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 8, 2012 11:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm expecting Wall to say something about making a team effort.
Wall, and Booker, seem like the only ones on the team that gives a damn.
I also think we need a scorer that doesn’t go into hero mode every possession like Nick Young. And Anthony Davis is looking like a MUST in the draft because JaVale doesn’t seem to get it .
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 8, 2012 9:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Anthony Davis would be a nice add . . .
so would a guy like Harrison Barnes. Or Jeremy Lamb, or Kidd-Gilchrist, or Doron Lamb, or Sullinger. We just have so many needs right now, that we really need two picks at the top of this year’s draft in order to really get things rolling in the right direction. A new GM could be added to that list as well.
He's earned it.
a trip out the door that is. This is HIS roster. No one else can take blame/credit.
by Vegas010 on Feb 8, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just watched Anthony Davis single-handedly unglue a good Florida team...
He will look great in a Bobcat uniform.
We have to remember...
they killed us with the PnR. Flip specifically said that we had not worked on our PnR defense at all in the training camps (WHY WOULD YOU NOT WORK ON IT??).
Lin is a talented PnR player. I believe he was always considered to be so. We also have to remember, Chandler was in a great PnR tandem with CP3. He has great experience playing with a great PnR point guard. It was just a perfect storm of our unprepared team going up a mismatch.
Uhm Lin went undrafted
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 9, 2012 6:12 AM EST up reply actions
Wall needs teammates so so badly
All he has is Booker, thats all….and it makes me sad
Also agree with Mike, Lin is a good player, theres no doubt abt that. But the Wiz being Wizzy certainly helped him with his game tonight and the ppl who think he’s better than Wall…are just….theres no word for it
If I hear another person say Lin>Wall
I may break something lol. It’s just beyond stupidity IMO.
by DCSportsAllDay on Feb 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
You make it so so tempting
But I will spare your nearby fragile items.
by Ball with Wall on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
He's not a better player than John Wall
He doesn’t have the upside that Wall does. But, for one night, he played the better game. Wall simply got no help from his teammates.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Wall + McGee for cousins + outlaw
Sad that the kings probably wouldn’t even do it.
by jeffco01 on Feb 8, 2012 9:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think they would just laugh in our faces.
by DCSportsAllDay on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
Even still
Dont want Cousins
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I would LOVE to have Cousins on this team
But he’s probably untouchable right now.
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as long as he doesnt sign an extension
Wall can get him to sign him here with him when the rook contract is up
Provided they don't both . . .
go somewhere else.
I'm glad because thats a horrible trade
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Why the hell would we want Outlaw
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We'd have to take on a bad contract if we want DMC
Although I think Outlaw was amnestied and picked up cheaply by Sacto so he’s not such a bad contract for them.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 9, 2012 6:16 AM EST up reply actions
WOW!
No Amare. No Carmelo.
Still no chance.
This game showed how far we need to go.
It aint gonna happen overnight.
Bring back Flip.
Bring back Andray.
Where is the sarcasm font?
Sarcasm?
You forgot Yi Jianlian … and Pech….heck, bring back CJ. Teach Javale how to play real post up D.
by ucantstopbernard on Feb 8, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Wall and Booker played great for the Wizards
Jeremy Lin was spectacular for the Knicks and ran the team to perfection. There is obviously other variables involved like the players and system but to the naked eye, Lin ran his team more effectively than Wall did. Props
On another note, there is no way in hell I’m watching Friday’s game.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Trade JaVale and Nick to get Kevin Martin and a pick.
Just throwing out random angry trade scenarios going through my mind so I’m not sure if the salaries match .
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 8, 2012 9:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I would flip JaVale
for some mid first rounders. Then we can draft Harrison barnes and jeremy lamb and actually score.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Both those guys will be in the lottery . . .
and unfortunately, the Wizards are going to have a very, very hard time acquiring those kind of picks with what they have to offer. If the Wizards could land a lotto pick in this years draft for McGee, or any combination of McGee and any other Wizard other than Wall, I’d definitely say do it. I just don’t see anyone on the other side of the deal saying yes.
I hope you're joking
Why would Houston even entertain this trade?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
how do you expect to get 2 or more lottery picks?
Probably 1 lottery pick is asking too much for this kid
All I'm hoping is we get the first pick and trade down with someone that has 2 lottery picks.
Then get a trade that gives us a couple mids (or just one)… 15-25 range
that would be awesome
If we could at least grab Thomas Robinson + MKG.
Robinson looks like he could fill into a mini-D12 body
by jsuh0 on Feb 8, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i dont understand how all these people can call out Wall for his D when Lin was worse on D.
baffling. Nobody shows up in the paint for Wall. Everyone shows up in the paint to help LIn and Wall still managed to outscore him. Yet the argument for Walls D being so sad is lin penetrating………….. TO AN EMPTY LANE.
Classic example is the dunk. Lin’s dunk will be all over sportscenter and everyones facebook page. Because the pick and roll left booker and wall out of position and TWO wizards didnt collapse to a wide open lane.
Wall crosses dude up and takes it to the rim with both LIN and Chandler in the lane and dunks it. But somehow Wall’s D is garbage and Lin is "better than Steve NAsh". I cant believe i read that tonite.
by baltimorebullets80 on Feb 8, 2012 9:58 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
i think the phrase was
“better than steve nash in his first year”
but other than that i agree for the most part.
i think every PG that played tonite was better than Steve Nash in his first year...
by baltimorebullets80 on Feb 8, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Then what are you objecting when someone says that Lin is more athletic than Nash and better than Nash was after his first full season
since “every PG was better than Steve Nash”.
I didn't think walls D was garbage
It all came down to who was able to execute on offense. New York could (mostly because of Lin). We could not. because John has no help.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Vesely and Singleton stood there flat footed as Lin waltzed by for the dunk.
They’re our “high iq” players btw
What's happening to them?
They want to fit into this team culture? Or they are just lost and tired?
I think they are both a little overwhelmed right now
They are used to being one of the better players, and they are far from that now
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
Most depressing game of the season
Sucked to sit in VC and see almost 2/3 of the place cheering for the Knicks. I’m leaning to the rest of the team sucks so bad position as to why John has seemed to struggle so much. In many ways, man is straight up balling right now but he is surrounded by a confederacy of basketball dunces. I’m now officially in the trade McGee for assets camp. Time for a firesale on nick, and ray and javale – the last holdouts from the Gilbert era. Most of all, fire Ernie at least at the end of the season so you can start the total houseclean. Only Wall should be immune ( and only part with Booker if he brings something really good). The rest can go. Maybe keep ves and singleton just because no one would give value and they’re still shiny and new. Yikes!
by DCWizFan on Feb 8, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Ted should pay us to be there
and if someone wants to buy a ticket for $.25 outside the arena he should thank them.
by DCrez on Feb 8, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh yeah
Keep smart and talented Jordan Crawford if you can destroy its evil twin dumb and cluelessly overconfident JC.
by DCWizFan on Feb 8, 2012 10:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Anyone watch UVA play tonight?
It’s unbelievable to watch a college team show such great understanding of PnR defense yet watch the Wizards get burned game after game on such a basic play with no signs of improvement.
Tony Bennett will probably coach in the NBA one day – he’s getting the most out of mediocre talent in Charlottesville and has turned the Hoos into an elite defensive team.
this is why building through the draft is clueless in my opinion
do you think any of those coached up fundamentally sound players are going to be lottery picks? Not in this trashy college basketball enviroment, the lottery picks are the players with tremendous talent and two years of college coaching tops…which equal lack of fundamentals. Meanwhile, we will keep sucking and Ted will stay the course with these “clueless but gifted” players. Our most sound basketball player is a 4 year player everyone said we drafted to high. (booker).
by baltimorebullets80 on Feb 8, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That 1 dunk from wall was amazing
thats all I have to say about tonight…
really no words anymore….
by AFM on Feb 8, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
With games like this, I'd rather see a college team on the floor, wearing Wizards uniforms
Because college teams run actual plays. I hate hearing the commentators’ criticisms, but they’re right: the Wizards run around with very little concept of what they’re doing. They don’t exploit their opponents’ weaknesses; they don’t share the ball effectively; they don’t even run the pick & roll. It’s just drive and kick, at best. It’s time for wholesale changes to the team, and it should start with a new coach. If they’re not even running plays, what are they learning other than bad habits?
Ted's strategy continues to fail because of poor execution
There continues to be a lack of talent and a lack of player development. And the genesis of those two problems remains on the team.
Let’s see. Grunfeld sought Vesely for years and accordingly didn’t trade up when he had the chance because somehow he was giving up too much. But i’ve seen enough of Vesely to say he doesn’t currently belong in this league. Of course, the same can be said of Seraphin. And Singleton doesn’t add much more than a role player off of the bench.
And for player development, we have McGee, Blatche and Young. Not a good track record.
What has gone right under EG?
In fairness to Ernie
I agree with everything you said (and would throw in too the wasted trade of our lottery pick in 2009). But, in fairness to Ernie, we have to concede that Booker was a very good selection.
by Koperro on Feb 8, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How can Ernie be satisfied with this?
The team isn’t getting the most out of their investments. Is Ted really content with his players not developing?
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Vesley is a good second round pick. He has a spot in the league, just not in the lottery
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
just goes to show...
still pays to be from another country. not enough people aware of his game so they can just fill the gaps in with hopes. just sucks when its the team’s GM doing this.
by Staybon on Feb 9, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Recently not much . . .
but since he joined the Wizards:
Trading the Devin Harris pick, Stackhouse and Laettner contracts for Antawn Jamison.
Signing Gilbert Arenas the first time (not the extension).
Trading Kwame Brown and Laron Profit for Caron Butler.
Not matching the Knicks on Jeffries post-rookie contract.
Not matching the Larry Hughes Cavs offer, and instead dealing for Butler.
Finding Blatche in the 2nd round.
Signing Stevenson for the veteran minimum in his first year (that was a steal).
Hinrich wasn’t a bad pick-up either for the price and for a few months rental. What he’s gotten in exchange so far — Crawford, Seraphin — has basically been a wash up to this point (not a ton of production, but the cost was effectively nothing).
The problems have always crept in when its the picture when it has involved the SECOND contract extensions — Arenas, Blatche, even DS-2.
The #5 pick is bad, especially in hindsight.
His drafts haven’t been great, but I’m not going to beat a GM up for whiffing in the middle to late part of the first round.
EG’s instincts were definitely right in going after Tom Thibodeau — although I’m not so sure that he could have made Arenas and Jamison into a defensive team.
Overall he has done a lot of things right — just not lately. That’s why his contract probably won’t get renewed.
by Vegas010 on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Ernie gets way too much grief
There were many people who agreed that signing Arenas was the right thing to do. He was gong to get a max offer, plus D. Wade came back from the knee injury better then before. Not to mention he was the first true star the franchise had in years. Ernie’s squad got us to the playoffs 4 out of 5 years. I have been following the Bullets/Wizards since 88’ and I’ve never seen the franchise look as legit as before.
I didn’t like the Blatche extension, but no one is getting everything right. But EG totally revamped this team and we are less than a year in to a rebuild and is doing so in a way which matches the owner’s plan.
I’m not saying EG should get a huge extension, I’m just saying TL better have a pretty good person lined up.
by Kuruption on Feb 8, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Also, there's always the question . . .
of how much authority EG has had.
For example, there was no secret that EG wanted to fire Eddie Jordan and get his own guy in place. However, Abe was a loyal guy — I can see him pushing back against that kind of move. Especially after Jordan had helped to get the Wizards to the playoffs. That still doesn’t mean that Thibodeau would have worked out in DC. Especially not with the roster that EG assembled, but that is the kind of move that at least suggests the guy knows what he is doing more often than not.
I agree that you don’t make a move just to make a move. Still, at this point, I’d say that the past few years don’t reflect well on EG and that the ownership will have to start seriously looking at alternatives.
by Vegas010 on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
anybody is better than Ernie at this point
because he’s assembled a garbage roster and it’s going to take an unbiased eye to overhaul it
The question was . . .
“What has gone right under EG?”
Not, “What has gone right recently under EG?”
That 1 dunk by lin, I think, sums up the season
All 4 of our players in the area just watched him sail by. Shit was PATHETIC
and Javale and Dray were not on the floor.
it’s just how the team is.
Help defense was non-existent. Flip was right at the beginning of the year, our pick and roll D is ass and they abused it all night
by Jordo on Feb 8, 2012 10:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Here's all I have to say
I understand a lot of Wizards fans feel that Lin is overhyped, like he’s the Asian Tim Tebow. Alright, whatever.
But you gotta appreciate the kid and his story. This was a kid who, since graduating from high school, has been counted out and disregarded every step of his career.
Tonight, you got a sense of what this kid can do. He’s not uber-athletic. He isn’t a high-flyer, he isn’t an athletic leaper, but what I love about this kid is that he KNOWS HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. He simply made the right plays on almost every possession. His basketball IQ is up there. AND let’s not forget that he was playing with a bunch of scrubs and over-the-hell vets in Novak and JJeffries. He knows how to use angles off of picks, and he knows how to exploit openings in the defense to get to the rim. Although I hate that my Wizards lost, Lin had a great game and made plays for his team when it counted.
I, for one, wish him success and think he will be able to become a solid starting point in the league.
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
of course him being a fellow Taiwanese-American doesn't hurt either :D
by Marine4Life51 on Feb 8, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
He's talented, definitely
and smart too. High IQ player.
I just have a pet peeve over players who receive hype due to their race. As in Yao Ming making the all star game last year.
Wall is not a PG, there I said it
He is good enough of a point guard that you think he should be a point guard. But that is not where he is best suited to play in the NBA
He is a 2 guard in the mold of D Wade. I know he cant shoot well. Some of that is his pace before he takes his shot. But he should not be running this offense. He should be on the perimeter doing one of three things:
1- iso one-on-one drives to the basket
2- cutting to the basket
3- taking open jump shots (he will be a better shooter with less pressure taking open outside shots immediately. And he still needs to improve and develop a reliable three pointer)
He doesnt have the court vision of a great point guard. He does not pass like a great point guard. Lin was the best point guard on the court by a mile tonight- in his third pro game.
JW plays with an assassin’s killer instinct that the great two guards like Kobe and Wade have. The will to make something happen.
But he doesnt make his team mates better in the half court like Jeremy Lin just did. He is ok at the point- a tease. It seems like it should be his natural position. But in the NBA, his spot is at the two. And he is plenty big enough to play the position.
I really hope Mack and Wall get some burn together. And Mack runs the offense. I think you will see what I mean.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:35 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
It's an interesting point, and I agree to an extent
But Wall has always said hes a pass first type of player…that he receives more satisfaction from a pass than a score…
He might say that but he is not doing that
And remember, he knows he is not a great shot. Ask him if he still prefers to pass when he learns to score at will and I bet that answer is no.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
maybe his teammates are never in fucking position for good passes
“wall’s not a PG”
Bull
by spotless on Feb 8, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol it is a complement that he is a D Wade 2 guard. That guy is pretty good you know
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
no prob personally with you lbb
Just think you are selling him WAAAAY short
He is definitely a pg
no worries. and i think he will be a good PG. I think he will be a better SG
I am not knocking one to build up the other. And the league is seeing a lot of two PG sets these days. I think JW is the type of guard that is a good fit for that because he could be good in both roles
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions
having him focus on what he does best and bringing in someone else that can do the things he doesnt do as well makes for a better team
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
we disagree on what he can be good at
he is still pretty raw
I think professional teammates and personal improvement will make him am elite, true pg. my opinion
NP...i think he will be fine regardless to which guard spot he plays. And I think the league is blending these roles for sure as bigger players are becoming more skilled handling the basketball. The game has opened up, and their skillsets reflect that
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 12:53 AM EST up reply actions
It’s pretty simple really. If you think JW runs the half court offense more efficiently, then he should do so.
But if you think someone else can run the half court offense more efficiently (and I think Mack fits here), then having the more efficient person run the offense is the way to go. And if that is not JW, then he should play the other guard spot.
I definitely think it should be tried and given an honest look. But we have SO many deficiencies my suggestion might not hold water, and you might be right.
Right now, the half court offense is stagnant with JW running point. The ball does not move. That I know. And Mack seems to do a better at it- that I believe.
JW is a great talent. This is not a knock on him by any means. But this is still a team game. And sometimes you have a better team playing someone out of what you consider their normal position. It happens all the time in the playoffs.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
difference here.
Is Mack play’s with the 2nd unit, where you have more cohesion on the court for some reason think Orlando game, I think Wall like’s playing with the young guys more than the suppose vet’s. Just my opinion. Also he doesn’t have court vision I say think about the first game in Chicago when he made that bounce pass between the defender’s leg’s that had Rondo, Nash, and Rubio written all over it, but of course Booker fumbled the ball out of bounce no knock on Book, but for some of you to say he doesn’t have courtvision is ridiculous.
who said that? No one said that!
He doesn’t have elite court vision.
He is physically getting bigger and stronger. And he is becoming more of a scorer than a passer. And he can already guard two guards better than point guards.
You dont see him breaking down defenses and kicking it out to an open Nick Young. And Nick is a good shooter. He has other faults, but the guy can hit open shots at a good clip. What you see is him breaking down defenses and trying to close.
He can become an elite scorer. He will not be an elite passer. At the end of the day, JW will be a scorer, not a passer. Of course, he will do both.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
He is a pass first guard
The only time try’s to finish is when he’s in the open court, half court not so much the reason he is not getting assist like last year is because you have guys holding the ball. Also Wall only shoot’s this much now is because we need points from somewhere and you can see he’s trying to translate his game from the practice court into a real game, but John Wall will be and always will be a pass first point guard.
ok we will see. but you know he cant be a pass first pg if he does not pass, right?
he’s good. I feel people take this as a knock. Being able to play two positions is a compliment
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'll also say that the type of player you just described could also describe DRose or Westbrook
Sure, neither is a pure PG, but both are great PGs.
The PG position is changing…very few pure PGs left. Nash, Paul,….
by AFM on Feb 8, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think there are a few more pure point guards than that. But you are right, there are hybrids all over the place.
The person primarily responsible for running the half court offense is the point guard- whoever that is. And our half court offense stinks. And I feel Wall is not the best suited to do that on this team even. The offense flows far more efficiently with Mack running point. And I am aware of his limitations, so I am not trying to talk him up. But bec he runs a better offense, he is a better pg
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:53 PM EST up reply actions
I've been saying this for weeks now
The player he should model himself after is Derrick Rose. That’s where his strengths lie. He is a pretty passer for a point guard. Mack, and sometimes even Crawford, make better passes out there.
by TunedMassDamper on Feb 8, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
Hugely disagree
Rose has once in a generation combo of muscle, raw speed and that unteachable knack of twisting through defences like a snake. I stand by the first thing I thought of when I first saw Walls high school ’he’s Rondo with wings’. If he gets to Rondo’s nightly triple double threat level, but with the ability to actually attack the basket hard like Wall does already, I’ll be over the moon and consider Wall a success.
Point guards are designed to pass first, end of. Rose is a feel of nature and an exception to the rule. Having your point guard as yor lead scorer is not ideal. We need another star who can focus on putting the ball in the hole and let Wall run the team first and get his own second.
by BballBrit on Feb 9, 2012 2:15 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And btw, no I do not see Rondo as Wall’s ceiling, but I see Rondo’s game as where Wall will excel ad go beyond.
by BballBrit on Feb 9, 2012 2:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
maybe, but I see wall wanting to score more than pass
he has a passion for points not assists
he is shooting more than passing
all of that leads to a two guard. but not to get caught up in the position he plays. he is a hybrid. someone who can do both.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions
He wants to score - that's because he's still young and immature
in a way.
And he doesn’t have the skill to make plays for teammates. It doesn’t mean he is a better SG than PG.
by isum on Feb 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if he doesnt have the ball skills to make plays for teannates, then he is SG by default because he sure is not a PG
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I see Wall as a total package PG
i mean his assist numbers easily go up by at least 4 per game if he has real teammates. He isnt great in the halfcourt but thats gonna come with good coaching and time. He has such great vision, he’s a pg all the way imo
by KurisuDevil on Feb 8, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But running the half court offense is what being a point guard is all about
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
well sure but 80% of all basketball offense goes thro the PnR
which Mcgee has refused to let Wall run….ever
YES, our front court is horrible. And that is a BIG problem. And it is why I keep screaming this team needs a front court stud next in the draft and not a shooter
of course, we do need a shooter…just not with our high lottery pick in this deep draft
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Having another scorer . . .
anywhere would help a lot.
Simply forcing teams to defend the perimeter and mid-range jumpers means that it is easier to attack the lane. Part of the problem is that this isn’t an either/or question. We really need BOTH in order to get things headed where they need to be. Until the team has both, fixing one and not fixing the other only gets us so far.
The main argument for going front court in the draft is that it is usually easier to find that SG or SF somewhere other than the draft.
both way arguments
Wall will benefit if he has better teammates.
Teammates will get more open look if Wall has been able to make good plays and pass the ball to them when they are in good positions. (I wonder why are guys shooting worse on this team than in their career – look at these vets!)
And of course, we have no idea what sort of offensive set they are trying to run. It’s always pass it to one guy and let him work (like to Dray or Nick) in the half court set.
nick has seemed to have zoned out
Mason Lewis and Evans are washed up
Who else qualifies?
by spotless on Feb 9, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Veteran numbers . . .
aren’t a very reliable stat as the veterans that we have on our roster are all on the downside of their careers playing limited minutes. Turiaf might still be effective, but he’s been out for several weeks.
Additionally, the younger guys — McGee and Young — both had career years last year when Wall was the starting PG — even Rashard Lewis saw an improvement in his shooting percentage when he moved from Orlando to DC last year. McGee and Young throughout there careers have tended to let the ball stick in their hands. I wouldn’t fault the PG for the fact that those two tend to get tunnel vision (Blatche also tends to fit into that equation). In order to have the half-court sets work you need players who execute, set picks, who know how to move without the ball, and who know how to read the defense. If they don’t have an open look, then odds are, someone else does. Instead our guys have a tendency to force shots at times. A big part of the problem is that we don’t have another consistent scorer who can stretch the floor with a mid-range jumper or with 3-pointers aside from Young. The net result is that this allows defenses to close off the lane. Defenses have also learned that when we get the ball to Young, you double-team and trap him, because he won’t find the open man — he will shoot, even if he’s going to force the shot. McGee doesn’t set hard screens at the top of the key. He’s great in transition, running the floor, but in half-court sets, he struggles with positioning and with kick the ball out to players on the perimeter with open looks.
I disagree
He’s pretty underskilled for a PG, but I definitely think that is his future position. And he has good court vision. Probably not elite like a Nash or CP3, but I see him finding open shooter all the time, but they can’t capatalize. He would’ve had at least 10 asts tonight if he had competent shooters.
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if he doesnt make the pass it doesnt matter if they cant hit the shot
you have to run the offense the way it is designed not based on what you think the other players cant do. they will find better players for him. he has to show he understands what he is doing.
thats like me not going to work bec my secretary is sick. and she is the only one that knows my schedule.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and keep losing by 30?
He is trying to make plays and win
Wall needs a better shooting stroke
But more than anything he needs to play on am NBA team
Do you consider
Steph Curry, Westbrook, and Rose PG’s? Because if they are, I think is as much if not more cut out to play the position.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
let’s get away from the titles.
the guy who primarily runs the half court offensive sets. I think we can upgrade there and leave JW to be the iso beast he is. And that is the best way to use him.
Westbrook is more an iso player. He is either involved in the play or not. Rose is a hybrid and I have not seen curry play enough. he wasnt in college
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
JW also would be good slashing and shooting open shots
but that is basically all he does now…drive and shoot primarily and pass secondarily
i am not suggesting changing anything. just bring in someone else to run the half court offense. it flows better with mack already and we could probably do better than that
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
How is he not a pg when he's averaged 8 assists as a rookie and 7 this year?
You must think that russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose aren’t great point guards either right?? And if you watch the offense, the ball isn’t in his hands a lot of the time, he usually passes to the wings and watches them go to work. The PnRs are ineffective because we don’t set good screens, and we don’t space the floor so the middle of the floor is clogged because guys like Ves, Book, and even Singleton are real threats to knock down an open shot yet.
You don’t average 8 assists for your career without having court vision. The NBA is changing though, a true point guard isn’t only in the mold of a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd.
when you score 20 plus and get 6-8 assist...you are primarily a scorer
a point guard is not looking to take his shot. JW is averaging 14 shots a game. That is a scorer mentality.
He is more like D Wade than anyone else. Mack, Singleton, and Crawford all shoot 34-40% from three. If JW wanted to break down defenses and kick it out for an open shot, we have players that can make that OPEN shot at a high enough clip to work.
But that is not what is happening, is it?
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
doesnt trust his teammates tho
and with good reason.
thats a problem he has. neither kobe or jordan could win until they did
to be open, the lakers dont have good shooters either…fisher and artest? come on!
they do have a front court, which is the next piece we have to add
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
i hope Anthony Davis is in a Wiz uni next year
by KurisuDevil on Feb 8, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want Drummond
But I’ll settle for Davis.
by BballBrit on Feb 9, 2012 2:21 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Barnes looks stiff
but my man is jacked, total nba body and he can really shoot. Immediate impact player for us, very safe pick imo
Barnes will be a good player but he is not all star. He does not have that killer instinct. He is too nice like Bosh
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
yeah i'd hate to have Bosh right now
he’s not good enough for us
barnes? yeah right lol
lets see him throw a team on his back and will his way to a national championship before you talk jordan
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
haha i knew that was coming
he is a complementary piece, not a leader. with this pick in this draft i think there are all star talents available that are leaders too
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
we dont know what pick we will have
and i’ll bet you Barnes is overall better than Davis for several years. Davis is a toothpick, Barnes is a man-child
So beacuse
Davis is a toothpick, Barnes is a man-child
That makes him a better player?? I’m not even going to make the argument, I’ll simply say, you are misinformed. Davis is not only the better player right now, he has a much higher ceiling. Ticks me off whenever someone uses the write-off “davis is too thin” as an indictment of his game. Will you watch him play please?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
that kid might not weigh 220 pounds, he will be tossed around like a rag doll until he gains serious weight.
and i said barnes would be better overall for several years not that he has a higher ceiling
If you read the context
I threw in the higher ceiling as part of my statement, not that you said it. Regardless of him being tossed around or not, how is that any worse than what the Wizards are currently giving up inside?
Not to say draft him because if he gets beat inside its cool because we already are, but he plays great on-ball defense and is one of the best help defenders I’ve ever seen. There are plenty thin defenders in the league that hold their own and I think he’ll be fine up until the time he gains weight
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I felt the same way til recently
after watching the last few games I’m a believer. Davis won’t be another Brandan Wright, Anthony Randolph type. He knows how to play the game and plays with good balance. He’ll have to get stronger, but I think the leverage and base he plays with will make it like KG – where he never really has to be bulked up to deal with the heavier players.
haven't seen one
but just doesn’t seem to be his personality. haven’t seen him take the foot off anyone’s neck either tho. right now its easy for him since he’s so much better than the guys he’s playing against.
Barnes has a great frame
But he’s not insistent on using his body to his advantage. He plays smaller than his size. I don’t see him dominating the boards or getting tip-dunks, and I see him fading away a lot on his drives a la Nick Young. That one thing I don’t like about him.
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yes that was the most aggressive i have seen him play. he needs to do more of that
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I really think EG will fall in love and draft him
everybody is crying shooter not frontcourt so he will address that to keep his career going
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we don't
He had a good game tonight, being able to actually dribbling the ball and subsequently put it in the rim, but his play early in the game raised some of my concerns. Harrison Barnes has shown no off the dribble game this year, not just this game. He’s too easy to defend. He has not improve his handle or ability to create for himself this year. He’s basically a passive jump shooter with size. He’s average on D, a good rebounder, but he is an unimaginative shot creator and struggles to get good shots. He got to the free throw line because he’s an instinctive rebounder who drew contact fighting for boards and getting up shots on the offensive glass.
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I think people are in love with his form and near perfect body
he will be good because he can shoot and has size and athleticism. but he is not the low lottery pick for us
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
does remind me of Cheaney from his college days
better shot tho.
WALL pick n roll defense
When is someone going to finally call Wall out for playing pick n roll defense the same way all ways chasing over the top, never making a sincere effort to stay in front of his man. He gets torched by the opposing PG every night. He is suppose to be our best player but he loses his matchup every night. He needs to learn how to mix up his defensive approach. Mike Prada please shed some light on this.
that's coaching, not him per se
If he falls out of tune it screws the entire coverage up. Like I said, breakdown is coming from the bigs not hedging well.
I do think the coaching staff needs to consider going under screens as a strategy
by Mike Prada on Feb 8, 2012 11:12 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
I don't really know which Knicks team is better
1. The Carmelo ball hogging Knicks that MSG wants so it can sell more tickets
2. The Jeremy Lin-Landry Fields-Tyson Chandler run Knicks like the team we saw tonight.
D’Antoni doesn’t like isolation ball and it just seems that this type of ball is what gets the Knicks at their best. Carmelo needs to get out of there.
I’m also deeply disappointed that we had to see so many Knicks fans tonight too, and there were a large amount of Taiwanese Americans to root for Lin, since his parents are from Taiwan.. He certainly put on a show for all of us, picking us apart with his passing in the first half and showing his scoring ability in the second half….. Thank god I’m not watching Friday’s game.
Jeremy Lin AND Landry Fields, has to be the smartest backcourt in the NBA right now with a Harvard AND Stanford grad at each guard position…….
look who they were playing
the coaches job is to find the balance
this team tonight has been their best team
of course it will be better with stoudemare for sure and hopefully with anthony
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions
The Knicks best version is where STAT goes all MVP on people’s asses. I’m not a Melodramatic fan, he’s a system breaker. Yes he’s all-league good, but he can’t sustain that into a championship. The ultimate ball movement and quick score system in the league got killed the day melo walked into town.
by BballBrit on Feb 9, 2012 2:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
And this play here
Mo Evans running away from Lin after he successfully got John to bite on the crossover and that’s fine. Jordan Crawford not trying to foul him in the open court? I don’t care if he still dunks the ball. Everyone in the NBA can dunk. Just defend!
But that basically symbolized this game for us.
I thought that was all on Mo
I can understand Crawford not wanting to commit to Lin and have him find the wide open shooter (which he did all game), especially since Wall stopped when he should have kept running to recover for Crawford if Crawford covered for him.
But Mo just wanted no part. And it isn’t like he was staying at home on the shooter either. He was in no man’s land anyway so why not challenge the drive? I campaigned for him to get minutes but not playing like that.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Feb 8, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
With all our cap space next year, let's give Garnett a 1-year $15 million deal to teach our players how to play basketball
And maybe include a provision to trade him at the deadline to a contender
by Max Zamphirescu on Feb 8, 2012 11:37 PM EST reply actions
Let's look at the bright side of tonight.
Miami lost! Even the Cavs won!
Bad news is that the Cheatles come here on Friday….
i'm tempted to skip that game, can't imagine there is any reason to go
maybe i will pay someone to take my tickets, break the 1cent barrier
lol if you're talking about Wizards fans
Good luck (even with your payment)
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
How are any of those the bright side?
I couldn’t care less about either of those teams
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Agree
The Heat will come here and murder us.
And Cavs seem to rebuild so much better than we do. Bright rookie, steady and healthy vets. They can stay competitive with any team now. OK, they had a horrible year last year. But we weren’t any better last year.
The Cavs had the best possible outcome for them in the NBA draft lottery
They got the no.1 and no. 4 overall pick.
The Wizard picked 6th which was the worst possible outcome they could have.
I’m not disagreeing, but sometimes luck matters a bit.
they moved davis. he is with the NYK now
they used their available cap space short term to acquire a lottery pick that lucked (ahem ;) into winning the lottery
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:09 AM EST up reply actions
True
But imagine if the Wizards had won the draft, traded Irving for a package of picks from Cleveland/Utah and then had two lottery selections.
Add Enes Kanter and Klay Thompson or some other combo of two lottery picks to this team and the future looks a lot brighter.
and we should have had an extra lottery pick trading some combination of haywood, jamison, butler, foye, arenas, and miller
that is a lot of players to give up for the last pick in the first round
by les boulez bomber on Feb 10, 2012 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
Another bright side is that JaVale is playing so poorly, nobody’s giving him 10Mil+ next year. So we could entertain keeping him for less than that, which is probably what he’s worth. The negative side is that McGee might just pull a dunce like Nick and sign for the minimum…meaning we suffer through another year of heartless, don’t-care-about-the-Wizards play from that situation.
It is also worth pointing out that the height of JaVale’s value for us was probably last year, right before the draft, when Ernie decided to…have faith in his upside? Sorry, Ern, but…we need someone else to evaluate the next draft’s talent and trade options.
by Tbonebullets on Feb 9, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yes and I wrote pages of posts crying for us to trade JVM to move up
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions
If Prada would allow it, we should have a “If I were Grunfeld, this is what I would have considered or done” pity party post.
For example, in retrospect, I’m not sure I would have traded JaVale and No. 6 for Derrick Williams — Williams doesn’t look all that great right now, but could still be OK. Kanter is intriguing, though, I wish we could have landed him.
why would I not allow that?
As soon as fanposts are fixed, go for it
by Mike Prada on Feb 9, 2012 8:06 AM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Wizards lost this game for 2 reasons coaching and bad defense by the pg's
We simply refused to run under the screen and make Lin make the jumper we continually pressed up on him as he came off too quickly for any of the bigs to adequately recover. Once you realize a pg is carving you up with penetration in the pick and roll you have gotta switch up strategy and force him to shoot the jumpshot and prove he can make it. Force him into that over and over again unil he shows you he can get buckets.
Lin through his career so far has not proven to be a good shooter why Wittman never ordered this change is mystifying. And more over why our guards didn’t make the adjustment as a matter of thinking through the game is also troubling.
Calderon is a known shooter I get what we did with him and with Cp3 but its inexcusable not to make a change of philosophy with Lin.
you can say the bigs didn’t do certain things but its just not fair to think they would be able to recover in front of a quick guard when the guard has a running start around the screen.
One day I hope Wall figures out how to play the pick and roll and can feed our bigs for bucket after bucket but tonight we fell back into the same ole same ole ball sticking 1on1 offense we usually fall into.
and of course it failed miserably again.
by jazzy1 on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Really ??? Are you serious.
After Lin got to the basket a couple times Wall started going under the screen. McGee for some reason doesn’t like to set picks and doesn’t like to defend them. There were plenty of times when Lin was beat by Wall and Chandler recovered or as a defensive unit they clogged the paint, I can understand trying to mix it up because it throw’s the penetrator off balance, because sooner or later the guard will pull up and hit shot’s. I think Lin has proven he can hit shot’s or else he wouldn’t be averaging 20+ points a game over the last three starts. Also Greg Anthony is right they play like they don’t like each other.
A note on shooters
LA Lakers: Fisher is sub 30% and Artest is sub 20% on threes. We need better shooters for sure, but that is not this team’s biggest need. We need a front court. People that can score easy buckets inside, shore up our defense, rebound, and set picks
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:24 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
the Lakers are also sinking towards sub .500
we need shooters terribly
same shooters they won the title with though
of course, we are looking for better production. the front court helps you in so many facets of the game. …a shooter? one, two if he plays defense
by les boulez bomber on Feb 9, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions

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