John Wall Is Only Wizards Player Selected To Rising Stars Challenge
The rosters for the 2012 NBA Rising Stars Challenge (formerly the Rookie/Sophomore Game) are out, and as expected, John Wall was one of the nine sophomores selected to be in the first annual draft between Shaq and Charles Barkley. Here's the full list.
Rookies: Kyrie Irving, Ricky Rubio, Marshon Brooks, Brandon Knight, Kawhi Leonard, Markieff Morris, Tristan Thompson, Kemba Walker, Derrick Williams.
Sophomores: Blake Griffin, John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins, Landry Fields, Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Greg Monroe, Tiago Splitter, Evan Turner.
Notice anything about those lists? Other than Wall, where are all the other Wizards? With the release of Hamady Ndiaye, exactly 50 percent of this roster (seven out of 14) are first- or second-year players. And yet, none of those six players were deemed good enough to be one of the top nine players in their class. It's not like these are spectacular classes either -- how good are Thompson, Morris and Splitter anyway?
That's not an especially good sign.
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"how good are Thompson, Morris and Splitter anyway?"
clearly better than Vesely, Singleton, and Seraphin so far.
Book is such a god damn Grown Ass Man they forgot to select him, assumed he was in his 10th year
by DCrez on Feb 8, 2012 2:29 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
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Book is such a god damn Grown Ass Man they forgot to select him, assumed he was in his 10th year
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
yeah book has a case here
just under the radar. otherwise, this is not surprising
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 PM EST reply actions
Booker not starting regularly hurts him
And if you are a bottom feeder…
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 2:36 PM EST reply actions
How
is Blake Griffin included? Isn’t he an All Star?
Does the NBA really want the second half of this season to include even more stars going out because they over worked them during the all star break?
Markieff is getting 7-5-1 while shooting 46% from three in 20 minutes with the Suns.
You usually do not get much burn in your first All-Star game
There is a bit of a seniority mentality with that game
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 2:40 PM EST up reply actions
The Spurs have brought Splitter along carefully...
He is producing pretty serious numbers now. Booker is ahead of Landry Fields among second year players at this point IMO, but Fields plays in NY.
None of our rookies rates a shot at this game.
No surprises really
Ithe rookies are going to get a beat down, the sophomore class rock and there are too many point guards and no centers on the rookie list.
Also, typical that Blake Griffin counts as a rookie for the ROY but not for the rookie sophomore challenge. I’m not bitter at all….
by BballBrit on Feb 8, 2012 2:45 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Speaking of John Wall...
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Things could still go either way, but on the chance that the Wizards continue underwhelming player acquisitions in the upcoming years, what is the timetable on an amicable, no hard feelings, “things just didn’t work out” split between Wall and the Wizards?
I am asking because I do not know much about NBA contracts and especially how the rookie contracts go. In other words, how does Wall get out of Washington if it comes to that? And when?
A Billips quote in the Washington Times got me thinking about it:
"As a point guard, you’re the leader of the team," Billups said. "It’s tough. But at some point in his career, he’s going to be on some winning teams. I’d tell him not to forget what this feels like right now."I guess this could mean that either the Wizards will make some good moves and eventually be a winner, or else he is talking about John’s next team.
To me, Washington could be as good a place as any, so it would be great if things just happened here.
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
Wall's rookie deal is for four years
He can sign an early extension after three, and he becomes a restricted free agent after 4, meaning the team can match any offer.
Thanks, Mike.
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And then how does he move from restricted to unrestricted? How long is that?
Sorry for these basic contracts questions. Is there a primer or link somewhere that walks through it all?
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
He can sign a one-year qualifying offer and become an unrestricted free agent the next year
Which is what Nick Young did. Otherwise, he’s not a UFA until after his second contract ends.
Thanks, again.
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I think I’ve got it now. My first choice would be that the Wizards just get better and none of this really matters.
I was asking for the specifics because I really, really would hope that John would never go the demand a trade route. But if he is unhappy, but cool about it with management and not a jerk, then he could be traded at any time, I suppose.
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
what's wrong with demanding a trade? Perfectly legit career decision for player, doesnt break any rules.
Wouldnt it be worse to not say anything then just leave without your original team getting any value?
I think the problem is when a Player dictates WHERE he wants to be traded...
It puts the onus on the team to try to make a sub-par deal – and get back less than optimal pieces in return.
For instance there are many teams in the League that can put together a MUCH better package of players and picks than the Mavs, Lakers or Nets… But because teams are afraid Howard won’t re-sign with them… the Magic will have to “settle” for whatever the best deal they can get from one of those three teams on Howard’s list.
Manipulation of the system… Owners and GM’s do it all the time… I don’t like it when they do it – and I don’t like it when a player does it.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Feb 8, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
How is it a manipulation?
All the player is doing is saying they wont sign an extension….why should a player just about to get to FA status allow their team to dictate where the spend the next 5-6yrs?
All the player is doing is saying they wont sign an extension…
NO – all the player is doing is saying he won’t sign an extension with CERTAIN TEAMS… and will ONLY extend with a select few….
This will eventually lead to every Super Star player ending up in Los Angeles, New York, Chicago, Boston, Dallas and Miami… with the rest of the League struggling to fill seats….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I agree but what can be done about it?
I don’t see how this could be fixed. You can’t take away the right to sign or not sign a contract. The only thing that could be done is take away the sign and trade so the player loses the benefits of bird rights if he leaves his team but he could still just not re-sign with the team.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions
An easy solution
Reduce the amount a player can be signed to in these scenarios. A 10% reduction in their max would be more than sufficient.
That is what I meant by
" if he is unhappy, but cool about it with management ’. Meaning, letting them know.
But I was thinking more along the lines of telling Ted over dinner one night. Not a headline on ESPN about “John Wall demands trade out of Washington.”
But maybe those are both describing the same thing.
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
I'm not sure he can demand a trade
He barely cracks ‘average’ right now and isn’t progressing. Even if he gets better, Rose, Wade, Rondo, Williams, Irving, Ivuadala, Lou Williams and possibly Holliday, Collison and Turner are going to block his All Star considerations. I mean it’s not like he’s CP3 or anything.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
In the first place,
I would assume any player could demand a trade. I was just asking about John because he is my favorite player, and I was wondering how long before he could leave Washington if it came to that. And Mike first brought up the demanding trades option.
In the second place, I would not say that he “isn’t progressing.” But maybe the trade would be to a team that could better facilitate that he does get the guidance to progress. That could actually be the goal.
Is Washington known for this?
Clearly there are two sides to John progressing, and he is himself responsible for the bigger side of it. But the organization he plays for has a role, as well. Maybe somewhere else would be better?
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
by HSLex on Feb 8, 2012 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree, Wizards have no reputation of developing players
Of course anyone can ask for a trade but he can’t pull a ‘Melo’
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
This makes no sense
Are we talking point guards or any NBA players? Wade, Igudola, Lou Williams, and Turner will not compete with Wall for any all-star spots because they play different positions. Igudola in fact plays mainly SF. No one is worried about Holiday and Collison in comparison with Wall. That’s just a super duper duper sour grapes statement. Like insisting Ernie “traded up” for Seraphin when he didn’t — he just traded for him. And we all know he is progressing — progress isn’t a straight line. But maybe he’s just a loser who loses as opposed to a winner who wins, right?
by Kenny Sky Walker on Feb 8, 2012 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rose locks up a spot. And Kyrie Irving, Deron Williams and probably Rondo are ahead of Wall right now
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
there are a lot of good point guards in teh league right now which is why the position is overrated
But I think Wall should get some burn at the 2. He is more like wade than a true point guard
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it does make sense
the fans can select 2 guards, 2 forwards and a center as starters and the coaches 2 guards, 2 forwards, a center and 2 wildcards as reserves.
All the players I mentioned are competing for the guard spots with Wall
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
If Book played starter minutes all year
he would have made that team
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
Thompson shouldnt be there
but other than that, the list seems abt right. Morris has been impressive, way better than most expected
this is GOLD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYYHRRjHyTI
thats all u need
by KurisuDevil on Feb 8, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i thought Ves would at least have enough dunks to make the all-star competition
especially since he’s a euro and could be the first winner, figured Stern had already decreed it.
No European Blake Griffin
That is why I notice…with 2 other PFs picked after him on the list…hope that upside appears soon for Ernie’s sake
I don't care about the game, but this really tell's reminds you how bad our rebuild is going
We are all in on rebuiding through the draft but we only have 1 building block. All our onther young players are mediocre or worse. We already knew that but still, this rubs it in a little more.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
Of course its not a good sign
But who, besides vesley and wall have been drafted in the top 9 in their class? Not surprised at all about this. Have we ever had anyone participate in this game?
I think a better question is should we have more than one real starter after spending two top 6 lottery picks, haywood, jamison, butler, arenas, foye, and miller
I think that answer is a resounding yes. we are short two starters and a good job would have found an extra
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
We didn't make all those trades to rebuild
We made them to get under the luxury tax. We easily could have gotten some good players or kept some(Gooden).
gutting the roster got us under the luxury tax. we are about 15mm under it now. no, the real sin is we never got that extra lottery pick. every other team in the league picked up an extra lottery pick when they gutted their roster- every one
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Could be worse.
Enes Kanter could of made it. The whole state of Utah must be feeling dissed with only one of the four Jazz lottery picks getting selected and no Jimmer.
I think they care more about winning and are happy with 13-11 and a half game out of the playoffs right now
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
Yep 13-11 overall or 44-38 over a full season
Guess how many years Washington has won 45 games in a single season since 1979? Once- 2004
Before we knock it, we should remember it would equal our best season in 32 years!
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder who will take Griffin's spot
Trevor actually seems to be the mostly likely just based on the rest of the draft class, which by the way, is starting to look like a very overrated draft class.
by ThePGPhenomenon on Feb 8, 2012 5:14 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Does it have to be a Sophomore?
Ìf not, than Parsons is first in line I would think. John Leuer has also been pretty good imho and I also think Ed Davis, Aminu and Patrick Patterson are in that conversation over Book. If it doesn’t have to be forward that group gets bigger
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
We are a little bias on Booker- though I like him
But he has poor rebounding and shooting stats and plays on a losing team and only a handful of starts. Dont expect to see him in this game.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No we are not all about building through the draft. Building through the draft gets you what we have here, a frustrated, badly constructed team going nowhere with no real answers insight.
Here is something to think about. More teams have failed doing this than have succeeded. NBA history has proven time and time again that trades and free agent signings wins championships. The draft only breeds frustration and loosing.
Any NBA GM if given a choice would never choice what Ernie is doing!
You know what is really sad? Another decade will pass and posters here will still be praising guys for there hustle and effort in yet another loosing season!
Talent, efficiency and execution when games and ultimately championships Hustle and effort and the ole college try is what losers do and we’ve been doing it for decades.
One more thing Trever Booker and Chris Singleton are role player at best. Being happy with their play is symptomatic of what’s wrong with this fan base and organization!
Booker is a quality quality role player
‘Role Player’ shouldn’t be a dirty word. Nick Collison is a role player and also a vital cog of a contender. Right now we’re finding and developing role players and will have a ton of cash to dangle at potential stars. Booker can get some points on smart shots, plays tough D, fights for rebounds or at least boxes someone out so someone else can get the rebound. Role players matter. Singleton is supposed to be an elite wing defender who can hit 3s- lets say that he develops into exactly that and nothing more- the Spurs didn’t need Bruce Bowen? The Grizzlies don’t need Tony Allen? It’s a star-driven league, but I appreciate that we’re doing an extended tryout this year since going “All In” this year would have resulted in an 8-seed with a lot of financial obligations at best. Waiting for 1 more draft and Lewis’s contract to be in it’s expiring deal isn’t popular, but it’s smart.
We had 3 guys in All-Star consideration until 07-08 and yet hadn’t had a winning record on a 5 game road trip since 2005. Criticize the way the rebuild is going all you want, but being happy with hustle and effort is most certainly not symptomatic of this organization. Besides Wall the biggest named/ highest paid players on this team don’t hustle or give effort whatsoever. Unfortunately until Rashard is bought out, Dray is amnestied and Young is jettisoned to somewhere else he can be a low percentage shooter who doesn’t do anything else, we still can’t judge where it’s going. Rashard & Andray’s contracts take up half the salary cap and have nothing to do with the future of this team.

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