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Is Kyrie Irving already 'All Star' good?

With Rose and Wade being voted in as starters by the fans, there are 6 reserves to be chosen by the coaches: 2 guards, 2 forwards, 1 center and 2 wildcards. Unfortunately, there is no Wizard deserving of a selection this year but as I was thinking about who would be deserving reserves, I came to the conclussion that Kyrie Irving is a very serious candidate for the guard slots and it shocked me a litlle.

As a rookie Irving is averaging 21.8ppg, 6.1apg en 4.2rpg per 36minutes. What’s even more impressive is that he shoots 49% from the field, 83% from the line at 57.7% TS. He has a PER of 21.6 which is 4rd for eastern conference guards behind Rose, Wade and Lou Williams according to hoop data (15 is league average, anything above 20 is borderline all star) His assist rate is pretty good at 34.9% and his win-share is flat-out ridiculous for a rookie: 2.2. (rookies normally have a negative win share). He does turn the ball over 3 times a game but his team is 10th in the east, only 1 game out and he is playing on a team that everybody before the season started thought was pis poor, since they just started their rebuild

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Other candidates are for the 2 reserve guard spots are Brandon Jennings, Rajon Rondo, Joe Johnson DWilliams and maybe Ray Allen on repution but on almost all categories those players are well behind Irving and Lou Williams who, in my opinion, deserves to be the other reserve. If Irving is not picked as a reserve he should at least be among the wildcards imho.

I was a big Irving doubter since he did not play much in college and wasn’t as athletic as John Wall or Derick Rose, but man, is he fun to watch! He really made me eat my crow so far.

Hoopdata: http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2012&gp=10&mins=20

Basketball reference: http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html

Poll
Which 2 players should be the guard reserves for the east?
Kyrie Irving
9 votes
Rajon Rondo
8 votes
Ray Allen
2 votes
Deron Williams
4 votes
Brandon Jennings
6 votes
Other
2 votes

31 votes | Poll has closed

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Crap, I somehow forgot about him

He is the best defender on the best defensive team in the league so yeah, he should be in.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Lou Will is underrated!

Everyone says Harden has the 6ManOTY award locked up, and he probably does, but Lou is Phillies closer, and he does it coming off the bench! I wish he could get a little more love. Side Note—he is probably one of the best player/rappers ever. He can actually spit.

by tw10 on Feb 9, 2012 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I had him in the article

but forgot to put him in the poll. Williams is a lock to me.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 10, 2012 2:41 AM EST up reply actions  

hes been balling this year

But I think that he may have to wait till next year to try and get into the all star game. I only say this because I think Lou deserves to go. He has played extremely well this year and has been one of the main reasons for the sixers success along with iggy (who I think should be in it as well) but other wise I think Irving is playing on a all star level. Hopefully john gets a shot like his because that can take Johns game to a whole different level

by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 8, 2012 10:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Irving has some advantages over Wall though which helps his all star candidacy

1. He has a real big man who plays like a big man and sets good screens in Anderson. Wall has McGee who can’t set screens and jumps at almost every ball that leaves a player’s hand.
2. He has a real stretch power forward in Antawn who hustles and doesn’t play lazy. We have Blatche, and we know first hand that Tawn was a hustler player. Blatche is perceived as a lazy bum and we boo him as soon as his name is called unless he’s going to the bench.
3. He has wing players who can make threes when called upon in Omri, Alonzo, Ramon, and Danny Gibson. Of course, Antawn and Kyrie himself are decent three point shooters. The Wizards have four players who made 10 threes all season (Shard, Chris, Jordan, and Nick) and we are very dependent on Nick to do it all for us really. John Wall has only made one three in thirteen tries. That is unacceptable. The point guard must be a one of the top three shooters on the team, and he is probably worse at shooting than Keveen!

Even with these advantages, Irving still appears to be a better all around player than John unfortunately for us, but fortunately for Cavs. Fortunately for cleveland, they didn’t just blow up the core after LeBron made a Decision, and this also has contributed to why they are playing good ball this year. For the Wizards we had a fire sale, but we forgot to realize that we still had three burritos that should have left with the Big Three.

by thewiz06 on Feb 8, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

ding ding ding!!

I agree 100% with this. Once john finds a shot then he will be top 3 point gaurd

by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 8, 2012 11:58 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

You like wall to much

I think we should all accept the fact that he’s not as good as we thought. I hope I’m wrong but he’ll be a slightly above average pg and that’s it

Duck Fallas!!

by believe_the_curse on Feb 8, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

ofcourse i like wall to much

I honestly believe that he’s going to be great.I never seen an average point gaurd get 17/ 7/ 6. And the last few game’s he’s been shooting better. He just needs a little time to catch his game up to speed

by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 8, 2012 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I agree

I think it’s time to accept the fact that Wall is not the centerpiece of an organization. He is a very good peace, but he is not the main piece. Not of a championship contender, at least.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Feb 9, 2012 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

It wouldn't surprise me

At all to see Wall in a different uniform in a few years. And he won’t "show " me anything. I know he has immense talent. But he’s not a centerpiece, I’m sorry. But you have to realize, very few point guards are.
Even so, look at Wall’s head to head matchups. He regularly gets outplayed by opposing point guards. That doesn’t happen with “elite” players.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Feb 10, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree strongly with this
look at Wall’s head to head matchups. He regularly gets outplayed by opposing point guards. That doesn’t happen with "elite" players.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 10, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree Irving has a good team, it was expected to be a pis poor team

Varajao is competent but not great, not a better player than McGee in terms of production PER and opponent PER.

And are Jamison, Caspi, Gibson and Parker really that much better than Blatche, Lewis, Turiaf and Young? I don’t think they are and I also don’t think that Eyenga, Samardo Samuels and Alonzo Gee are that much better than Singleton, Booker and Vesely. If they are than 3 undrafted sophomores are better than our 3 first rounders for crying out loud.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Eh, Cleveland would be much worse without Kyrie but the role players he are perfect for a PG like him.

Not saying any of them are very good, but they can shoot and like the guy above me said Verajao and ’Tawn can actually run the P&R. And yes Parker, Gibson, Caspi and Jamison are better than our group. They know how to play within themselves and buy into the concept of TEAM basketball.

by tw10 on Feb 9, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's true.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 10, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd easily take Kyrie over Wall

That’s for sure.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 AM EST reply actions  

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