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Hamady Ndiaye Waived By Washington Wizards

The Washington Wizards announced that they have waived center Hamady Ndiaye. Before you freak out, let me explain why they did this.

  1. Ndiaye is the only player on the roster with a non-guaranteed contract.
  2. All non-guaranteed contracts become guaranteed contracts if the player remains on the roster after Friday.
  3. The Wizards had 15 players on the roster, including Ndiaye, which is the maximum number of players one can have on a roster.
  4. Sending Ndiaye down to the NBA Developmental League again wouldn't have done anything because he still would have counted on the roster.
  5. Having 15 players on the roster means the Wizards would not have had the flexibility to call up anyone from the D-League if a rash of injuries struck.
  6. Having 15 players on the roster means the Wizards couldn't take back multiple players in a trade for one player.
  7. Having 15 players on the roster means the Wizards had to pay all 15 players.
Therefore, their only move was to waive Ndiaye. I thought Ndiaye was a good guy and probably deserved more of a shot, but this was a numbers game, and there's not much he could have done about that. This is often how it goes.

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PRO:
- He was always a longshot to stick with the team, and he never really did anything to suggest he belonged in the regular rotation or would develop into a player who belonged in the regular rotation.
- This opens up a spot for a D League or other signing.

CON:
- If the Wizards don’t plan to add anyone right away, then Ted is just trying to save a little money.

by disgrunted on Feb 7, 2012 5:35 PM EST reply actions  

Turiaf already counts right?

So I think you are right…or they are prepping for a trade…

by DavidDunn on Feb 7, 2012 6:10 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they are...

And what a pity that Kevin Love got suspended, giving Nikola Pekovic a chance to show America what those of us who live in Europe already know. This is a smart, determined and (until now) vastly under-rated big man. I would have loved for the Wizards to de-Bird Young (the Wolves still need a SG who can S) and trade him for Pek.

by khrabb on Feb 8, 2012 4:47 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The Wizards payroll is around $57 million this year. H costs less than a million. Less than 2%. Any players signed to 10 day contracts are going to cost money too.

I don’t think the team is making these kinds of decisions based on that (relatively) small money. Actually it may not save them anything.

by MR on Feb 7, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Every decision this team has made has been based on money

it’s unprovable either way, but nothing would surprise me. Even cutting a center prospect to save 250k or so when we need a center.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

They make $1.2 million per season- damn near if not the minimum for a veteran with their years of service

If you cant recognize a rebuild strategy centered around keeping costs to a minimum while we suck long enough for David Stern to give us core players, nothing I say can help you.

I criticize the execution because they have underperformed executing their strategy. Want proof- look at the imbalanced roster construction, watch them play and look up their record.

We seem too far apart to discuss much

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm sure Ted is trying to keep costs low. No doubt.

But you are suggesting that every decision is all about each dollar. I just don’t really think they are operating on the level that leads them to cut H based on saving a few dollars. As evidence I present a coach that is being paid to do nothing next year and two vets who barely play whose seats could have been kept warm by cheaper players.

I don’t think the question required so much snark.

by MR on Feb 8, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Apology for the snark.

Flip was fired because there was a near mutiny. Go back and read the previous game recap before he was fired. And the team’s play reached a level they became a national laughingstock.

Cost is a major factor in every decision. He is not just trying to keep costs down. He is keeping costs down. Many of our trades include a noticeable cash component: either we are paid directly for the trade or we receive a veteran that we buy out saving future salary commitments. We were paid for Turiaf, We were paid for Yi, we bought out Iggy, We bought out Bibby. etc. When you are buying out better veteran talent and replacing it with cheaper, lesser veteran talent, money is the primary concern. Without spelling out every detail, I think you recognize that as a trend.

And our veterans make the minimum except Lewis of course. We are out of pocket maybe $4 million dollars for three veterans. You probably can find three veterans that would play for less than a million dollars per year. But overwhelmingly, the commitment to quality veterans is very light compared to every team in the league.

Do you think it is a coincidence that H was cut the week his contract would be guaranteed? Of course he was cut for money. That is exactly why he was cut this week and not last week or last month or some other time before.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

And as I said many times before. I am not against running a cheap ship. I criticize the execution and the results that come from that execution.

H should have been given a chance because we were paying him, we had him here, we invested in teaching him and he practiced with our team. And there is no center on this roster that is good enough not to give him a shot to see if he flashed any potential we might have missed.

It’s not the end of the world he was cut. It is reflective of this organization’s half ass approach to basketball

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He got his opportunity

He was given plenty of opportunities through practice and last season. What other young guy hasn’t gotten an opportunity to play? I have to assume this means he just isn’t good enough.

It’s hard for us to evaluate these players without seeing them in real game situations, but that’s not true for the Wizards organization.

by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 8, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions  

A team’s ability to evaluate talent is the #1 factor in their record

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

anybody is a good enough talent evaluator to know...

that I don’t belong in the NBA.

there are some players where it doesn’t take great skill.

by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 8, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

There is without a doubt a cost cutting mantra in the FO.

I take it as the team trying to keep their powder dry so they can spend wisely when the time comes.

Where you see penny-wise, I see cap-wise.

Of course H was cut because of the looming full year guarantee. If they could pay him week to week to keep him around all year I’m sure they would keep him until the roster spot was needed. But why pay a guy to play in D League if you’re going to cut him anyway.

by MR on Feb 8, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

If Wittmen is the head coach next yr, Ted isn't paying a dollar more than if Saunders was still here

Randy was already here so no additional money is spent. He has a contract for next year so yeah, Ted doesn’t have to spend a dime more than scheduled. I am really afraid this is the plan. Plus, since Ernie didn’t do a great job, he can te-sign him on the cheap this summer, covering it up by saying he is going to let Ernie ’ finish his job’ because hè, Vesely, Seraphin etc can’t really be judged just yet

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I actually think H can be a good backup in this league

He’s a strong body, a legitimate 7’0 body, we know he can block shots and hold his ground in the post as he was the Big East DPOY in 09-10. He should also be atleast as good as McGee at setting a pick because, well, because it’s not possible to be worse.

He never got any minutes but I am not sure that was fair and I feel that the only reason Manbearpig got minutes is that Ernie traded up for him. If H would have gotten the minutes Kevin did, I don’t know if he would have done any worse. Granted, that says a lot more about Manbearpig than H but still.

I’d rather see we would have cut Mason since he doesn’t bring anything to the table at this point and if a player can’t contribute on the court, I don’t see how he can be a veteran leader that our young guys will listen too. A wing shooter compared to a legitemate 7 footer shouldn’t be that hard to find in the D league if only for the reason that there only so many 7’0 guys in the world.

anyway, best of luck to you H.

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 7, 2012 6:27 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I'm with you

But Money Mase has a guaranteed contract. If we’re going to be a “player” with 10-day contract guys we need a roster spot. We know Ted isn’t going to put a whole lot of money into this season. This is a total non-surprise, but disappointing to me nonetheless.

by jakenbake on Feb 7, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

I’ve seen you say this a bunch - that Ernie traded up for Seraphin — but in fact he didn’t. He traded Verimenko for Hinrich and #17, which was Seraphin. He then traded up/down from # 30 and 35 to get #23 and 56 (which was Booker and N’daiye respectively). He did trade for Seraphin, but he was trading Chicago nothing for Hinrich and their pick which happened to be #17. The whole “traded up” thing is really in reference to Booker, who I assume now you’re happy with. Just had to point that out, since the whole “he traded up for Kevin!” thing seems to be riling you up a bunch.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Feb 7, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

never let the truth get in the way of a good narrative

nevermind how many times someone has to remind you its inaccurate.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes we did. The deal was made BEFORE the draft

Per Michael Lee

The deal, which cost the Wizards only a second-round pick, was agreed upon hours before the NBA draft three weeks ago.

This means the Bulls selected him FOR US.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Honestly, dude.

Reporters weren’t sure at first what was traded by the Wiz to the Bulls for Hinrich and the #17, just that it was basically nothing. Initially, they called it a future 2nd, then it was learned that it was a former 2nd (ie, V. Verimenko). It was still and always was a trade for a pick and a player. Yes, Chicago picked for us; of course, they picked for us. But we didn’t “trade up.” We just traded. I thought the comparison to the Booker pick explained it well, but I guess not. We traded a former pick who was never coming here for Hinrich and Chicago’s pick (which was always and forever the #17 that year), and we told Chicago whom to select for us. Those are facts. That means that we did NOT “trade up” for Seraphin. We just traded for him. Trading up means we gave up a pick in the same draft plus something else, in order to have a higher pick in the same draft. That’s trading up. We traded up for Booker; we traded for Seraphin. And it’s not semantics since you seem to base all your incredible Ernie hatred on this one misstated assertion.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Feb 8, 2012 6:01 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Ok, so we traded for Seraphin, I agree but it doesn't change my point

Which is that Seraphin gets minutes because we traded for him and I am not all that sure H would have done worse than Kevin.

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Any relation to...

The Mamadou Ndiaye fella who is the 7’5" high school player that the recent yahoo article was on? Mamadou is also from Senegal.

by ChewinStraws on Feb 7, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

I doubt it. That's seems to be a very common name there

Theres also a 7 footer on U of Washington from Senegal with that last name

by oakhillswag on Feb 7, 2012 7:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Senegal?

7 footers from sengal seems to be a common thing here

by jsuh0 on Feb 7, 2012 7:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Just saw that yahoo article on that kid

And I’m terrified

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 7, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ted saved money- shocking

they could have and should have amnestied blatche bec they obviously can not trade him. that is the other way to free up a roster spot.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions  

You can't use the amnesty right now

and how would that have helped the team this year?

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 7, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Regardless, it's a move that saves on a guy who makes under 1mm for a full season

I did not know they couldn’t amnesty Blatche right now- thanks. It is still a cost saving move. If you cut a guy and dont have to pay his salary, you save money. It is a fact, and one they know. You don’t hold a “spot” open. Either you have 15 players or you don’t. If you want someone else, you cut someone if your roster is full. The difference is cutting him now saves less than a million dollars, which is a rounding error on some of the contracts EG has signed that bombed.

We dont know if the 15th spot will be filled. We do know they saved money. And we know they cut a center when we need one, and our current one will be gone in 15 months at the latest and possibly in three months.

I dont think it is a big surprise, do you. Ted is the guy trying to have ticket resellers arrested outside the VZ center so he can sell to any walk ups directly. He calls them scalpers, but they are not scalpers because scalping involves selling tickets above face value. And no one is selling tickets above face value for a Wizards game. It is simply reselling. Someone who made a commitment to the team being arrested for trying to lighten their loss. Go Ted!

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Do you really think H would ever be the answer?

Wiz will have plenty of chances to sign other players. I have a hard time believing this matters at all in the grand scheme.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 7, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I haven't seen him play this year. He looked bigger the few seconds I saw him on the court.

And we are getting KILLED in the front court, especially rebounding. So I would have preferred to see him have a chance. So we know, you know.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

He looked overmatched every time I saw him on the court

I actually liked the pick of Hamady until I actually saw him on the court against NBA-level competition. He’s 25, so you’re not going to see light years of improvement from here, and he needs light years of improvement to be a viable NBA player. At the end of the day, it doesn’t make sense to give up other opportunities to continue to develop a 25-year old that’s miles from contributing.

by steadyhand on Feb 8, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

if looking overmatched were the criteria, we couldnt field a team

it is what it is. it is not my responsibility to turn this franchise around.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions  

dont you think

we should save the amnesty for this offseason for rashard?

by redterp02 on Feb 8, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Not Rashard.

Amnesty Blatche. We can just cut Rashard and only give up 10 million (I believe the rest of the money is incentive based so there won’t be a cap hit). Someone please let me know if I got that right…

by DCSportsAllDay on Feb 8, 2012 12:34 AM EST up reply actions  

That's exactly right...

Rashard Lewis’ has a contract for next year for $23 Million, bu the contract is only guaranteed for $10 Million next year… So if the Wizards release him, they save $13 Million off their cap number….

If they amnesty Blatche, they save another $7 Million…. PLUS they save another $15.5 Million off the next two years cap…. (man that extension stinks)….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 8, 2012 2:39 AM EST up reply actions  

More importantly to Ted

is the fact that it saves $13 million in actual dollars off of the payroll.

by hotplate on Feb 8, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What will Lewis really cost if he's on the roster?

I mean, if the non-guaranteed 13M is somehow composed largely of incentives, I don’t see Rashard hitting the marks unless the incentives are something like “games played” (in which case, you could just rest him a lot). I wonder if Rashard has trade value for a team trying to get under the cap next year…is there anyone in that position that has enough dead salary to trade? Cap space ain’t worth what it used to be…

by steadyhand on Feb 8, 2012 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Obviously, this is setting us up for a big trade, right? RIGHT?? We need some kind of action to distract us from this horror story.

by Tbonebullets on Feb 7, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

Bring in more D leaguers

At least they will hustle & fight to stay. Might find another Jeffers.

by VBfan on Feb 7, 2012 8:05 PM EST reply actions  

I'll miss big H on the jumbotron

Off topic but Chauncey billups out for the year. Clips don’t have a SG. Nick young is from LA. Would you guys be willing to trade young for Bledsoe + a 1st rd pick? I’d consider it but I think we may be able to do better. Or am I just crazy?

by jeffco01 on Feb 7, 2012 8:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Clippers are looking at JR Smith I heard

I’d have like Bledsoe last year but I feel that having Mack already its unnecessary, even with Wall’s ties to Bledsoe. If the Clippers would even consider this, I’d try to see if we can steal Reggie Evans instead (or maybe even Ryan Gomes who doesn’t get much tick there)

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 7, 2012 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

neither

neither Gomes nor Evans move the meter here. Not saying we can get a ton more, but those are the type of names that only get dealt because their salary chip makes a bigger deal work.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Whether it does or doesn't

Im saying in his scenario those would be ideal players to grab. And it actually does move the needle. Wiz have been saying they need veteran leadership and we can’t play all youngsters, I’m pretty sure Reggie Evans would be a great fit and solve a significant need here.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 7, 2012 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree

Those guys are averaging 16 minutes for the Clippers. Neither crack 6’8 regardless of what nba.com says. So neither can defend the PF spot anymore than Booker. Thats who’s minutes those guys would take, or those from our lottery pick. There’s no way you can sell me that Ryan freakin Gomes or Reggie Evans would do a dang thing for this franchise. Neither are leaders. Neither would play big minutes here. So they’d be veteran leaders the same way Mo Evans and Roger Mason are. Thats why they don’t move the meter.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Here's where we'll agree to disagree

If you’re seriously telling me Reggie Evans wouldn’t do “a dang thing for this franchise”. Yeah one of the best rebounders in the league would not be a factor on one of the worst rebounding teams.

The minutes argument is bogus by the way because Evans is playing in one of the best frontcourts in the league consisting of Blake Griffin, Jordan and Caron. Is our frontcourt that good that it will keep him off the floor here?

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 8, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Evans would be great to have but the Clips are thin as it is up front

I think they will look for more bigmen depth before dealing Evans and with one of the best 6th man in the league this yr in Williams, with Foye and Bledsoe. (who is returning from surgery) they don’t really need a SG. They also have Willie Warren and Travis Leslie I believe. If they do descide to get one, JR Smith is going to be available without giving up any assets.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Reggie would solve a need, just not the most pressing one

I think we need to find a few shooters before we do anything. Reggie Evans would be nice, to be sure, but the Wiz need to solve the off guard spot first. Especially when Nick walks.

by j_edg on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

yeah we appear to be following the OkC model (young, super-athletic players)

with the small caveat they drafted deadly shooters and our guys cant hit the ocean….can’t imagine that will be a big problem though, surely we can count on 3-4 players who dont have Js developing nba range and consistency.

by DCrez on Feb 8, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

haha

Seriously. Im just hoping against hope that letting H go means were making moves at the deadline.

by j_edg on Feb 8, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

im not sure Bledsoe helps us out all that much.

Yes he and Wall played together at UK, but what does he bring to the table that Mack/Crawford don’t?

Unfortunatley the clippers gave up all their assets in the CP3 deal, so I don’t think they’re a very good trading partner.

by Alpha_Snail on Feb 7, 2012 8:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree. I don't see much they could offer us

They don’t have any assets that interest me. I don’t think Bledsoe would be worth it either. Maybe a 3 team trade? Doubtful though

by jeffco01 on Feb 7, 2012 8:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

check my math

I’m not shedding a tear. The kid couldn’t hold his position against D Leaguers and there are few pro bigs down there.

1. if Hamady was on the roster after Friday but the Wiz needed a roster spot he still could have been waived. Ted would still pay him, but we could make the room on the roster if necessary.
2. H makes $762,195. Prorated to 66 games that comes to $613,414. We’re already 25 games in. Without getting into exact pay days, he’s already been paid roughly $230,000. This move “saves” the Wiz $383,414, give or take. IOW, thats the most they would have had to pay Hamady IF they needed the roster spot at some point down the road.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 8:40 PM EST reply actions  

Does anyone know

Whether Wiz can resign H to 10 day contracts? Or are they precluded because they were the waiving team?

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Feb 7, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

That's not fair

Look at this list of people who were picked 56 or later since 2000. H is already 14th in games played and at 7’ he will at least get a chance with another team in training camp.

by Llamaman on Feb 7, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What's not fair is assuming every team in the league has the same talent.

A starter for some teams (ahem ahem) wouldnt crack the bench rotation on others

We were just outrebounded by like 40 boards just last week. I dont believe he could be any worse than what we already have. And aren’t we suffering through this miserable seasons for years to see if our young kids can develop into something?

And our current center is G-O-N-E ASAP. And we will need another center on the roster.

It looks bad more than it is a bad move, that is all.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ha

How did Hamady board in the D League? Cuz his rebounding rate in the NBA was awful. Sure we need a center, but it has to be a NBA caliber center. Just because H has a C as his position doesn’t make him a legit NBA center. He can’t get time on one of the worst teams in the NBA, but its a terrible move?

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont know. Do you think it is a bad move? I wrote 2 centimeters above your post that “it looks bad more than it is a bad move, that is all.”

are you expecting me to say something different? It’s fair to say that he did not get much floor time this season to showcase any improvements he made. He clearly bulked up a little so we know something changed. And most important of all, THIS TEAM IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO NOT GIVE HIM A CHANCE.

I am not going to weep over this. But when you have ZERO CONFIDENCE in management, every move is second guessed. Get used to it. I am not alone =)

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

just think its hilarious

the tears spilled when the Wiz cut a player they took a flyer on, but turned out he wasn’t NBA material.

He got a chance, in the D League. He couldn’t hold his position or keep from fouling at a high rate. He wasn’t a very good rebounder either. He blocked some shots sometimes.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This is getting silly

Here’s some truth that blows up your narrative: Hamady played 17 minutes a game in the D League and averaged 3.6 rebounds per game. He was the tallest guy on the court at all times and couldn’t get a rebound but every 4 minutes. Yet somehow in your version he is the answer as a rebounding NBA center.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

then dont reply...stop it...end the madness...now

Does he stay on the offensive half of the court when we are on offense or is he rushing back to guard an empty basket with no opposing players within half a court

If he sticks around the offensive half of the court, then he should be given a shot because our current starting center cant seem to know which half of the court he is suppose to be playing on.

in all seriousness, I did look up and saw his stats were not so great. But three games is not really a fair sample size, is it? I think he should have been given a chance. Everyone knows we need the help. You are mis-stating my position then arguing against it. Or is that what you meant by silly?

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Thank you for level headedness

Just look at that list, only 19 out of 49 players even touched the court. And only 3 (maybe 4 if you count Erden) out of 49 became rotation players in the league. H was a longshot but he seems like a good guy

by SkinsWizStangs on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn’t sound like it was too smart to use up trade value for the pick then, huh?

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean, I understand where you are coming from, but you have to look at the context of what happened

We gave up a first round pick #30 and a low second round pick #35 for #23 and nothing apparently (since no one expected anything from this #56 pick.

With 23, we got Trevor Booker, which I think most will say was probably worth it.

But Booker was expected to go in the second round so you could say it was also unnecessary.

Certainly, there were two players we know were available that would have helped us. But that assumes EG could scout them, and drafting is not his strong suit so that is probably a stretch.

So it all falls under the it is unknown and unprovable category. We do know that our C position and front court in general is horrific. And we believe we are losing our center. Which is why I came down on the it would have been nice to have given him a shot since we need production and a replacement from his position.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions  

and it appears to be a cost cutting move since he did not get enough game play for anyone to make any form of educated decision.

I doubt he would have run back to play defense when the rest of the team was playing offense like JVM

by les boulez bomber on Feb 7, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions  

doesn’t sound like it was too smart to use up trade value for the pick then, huh?

the 56 pick was a worthless throw-in. It’s not like we could have gotten another asset (at least not one with positive value)

With 23, we got Trevor Booker, which I think most will say was probably worth it.
But Booker was expected to go in the second round so you could say it was also unnecessary.

Yes, Booker was projected to go 34th by draft express. However, mock drafts are not 100% accurate, and it’s unreasonable to assume a professional GM, no matter what your opinion of him is, would trade up to get a player who would have been available with a pick the team already had.
Lazar Hayward was projected to go 57th, but he went 30th. Samardo Samuels was supposed to 48th, but he went undrafted. Mocking the 2nd round is very tricky.
Which is why I came down on the it would have been nice to have given him a shot since we need production and a replacement from his position.

We gave him a shot. The team watched him in practice and in games for 1 1/4 seasons (on top of his college years) and decided he wasn’t worth keeping around.
This is what happens when you can only get 17.2 mpg in the D league. I liked H and rooted for him and will continue to root for him wherever he winds up. He just isn’t an NBA talent.

by Llamaman on Feb 8, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the Lazar Haywood comment. He was projected to go 57th but he went 30th....TO US!!! thanks for making my point LOL

He was in the D League like a week! He was sent in Jan and played in three games. lol

Booker projected at 34. We had #30. The top teams are not looking for a Booker. They have them on the roster already. They are not that thin at the PF position.

We dont know. Why is it so hard to admit we dont know what a guy who got too few minutes to matter would evolve to. Why is it so hard to recognize we need major help at center.

Why am I so hard on Ndaye when I know he probably was not the solution. Because Ernie can not draft, evaluate talent, or put together a team. So I trust my own eyes which you should too. Because since 2004, the only real potential starter EG has drafted is John Wall….maybe Booker one day if he develops a shot…did I mention since 2004?

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Drafting is not his "strong suit", I agree

yet he is the GM of a team rebuilding through the draft.

God Ted, you really missed a chance to start this franchise over….

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We didn't pick him for us

It was part of the trade and how the NBA represents picks.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 8, 2012 8:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You mean like the Bulls drafted Seraphin for us?

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Per Michael Lee

The deal, which cost the Wizards only a second-round pick, was agreed upon hours before the NBA draft three weeks ago

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Both

I meant that the Wizards may have drafted Lazarus, but it was for Minnesota. We didn’t choose to draft him then suddenly trade him. He was Minny’s the whole time.

Yes, thats the same as Chicago darfting Seraphin for us.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 8, 2012 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

See above, dude.

It was a second rounder from a different draft, so therefore it was simply a trade — even though, yes, of course, we told the Bulls to choose Seraphin. So, we traded for Seraphin (and Hinrich). We still did not “trade up” for Seraphin. Telling the team who trades you a pick whom to select is not “trading up,” or anything special.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Feb 8, 2012 6:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand what your saying but

I’m getting numb to the team at this point. I would have liked to see him get a legitimate shot at some real minutes as well, but he didn’t, and he had become an after thought for most…so be it.

by j_edg on Feb 8, 2012 8:39 AM EST up reply actions  

I love the Lazar Haywood comment. He was projected to go 57th but he went 30th….TO US!!! thanks for making my point LOL

Seriously?? You’re joking right?? The trade was announced, forget about agreed to, before the 30th pick came up. Unless Ernie and Kahn agreed to the trade, and when Ernie asked who Kahn wanted picked was told “I don’t really care, take whomever” then Ernie did not make that pick! But why let something dumb like reality get in the way?

He was in the D League like a week! He was sent in Jan and played in three games. lol
A simple google search will tell you that he was sent down on Jan 2, called back up on Feb 4, and played 10 games to go with a months worth of practices. But why let something dumb like reality get in the way?
Booker projected at 34. We had #30. The top teams are not looking for a Booker. They have them on the roster already. They are not that thin at the PF position.
Name on team that wouldn’t want trevor booker. And like I said being projected to go 34 by a mock draft website does not mean you actually will or should go there. But why let something dumb like reality get in the way?
We dont know. Why is it so hard to admit we dont know what a guy who got too few minutes to matter would evolve to. Why is it so hard to recognize we need major help at center.
I tend to trust the opinion of paid talent evaluators who get daily reports on his progress over a fan who only saw the few NBA minutes he got.
Why am I so hard on Ndaye when I know he probably was not the solution. Because Ernie can not draft, evaluate talent, or put together a team. So I trust my own eyes which you should too. Because since 2004, the only real potential starter EG has drafted is John Wall….maybe Booker one day if he develops a shot…did I mention since 2004?
Because the Blatche pick was terrible value for 49. And Nick Young, a lights out shooter who plays great defense was terrible for a mid first rounder. As was McGee, who for all his faults, was good value for the 18th pick. Seraphin is starting to look like a pretty good pick IMO and Booker was a steal. Mack is looking like a steal too. Vesely has a bright future, but you probably disagree there. And the Caron Butler and Antwan Jamison trades were definitely poor talent evaluation. As were both the Hinrich trades and the first Gil signing. But why let something dumb like reality get in the way?

by Llamaman on Feb 8, 2012 12:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

SMH

maybe because we’re in the middle of a rebuild? 25 games into Durant’s second year OKC was 2-23

by Llamaman on Feb 8, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

cousins is playing at a high level since westphal was fired

he had the talent to go #1 for sure. questions about his maturity and “temper” have been disproven so far

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:24 PM EST up reply actions  

So, by "disproven" do you actually mean....

“proven”? There have been several published stories — the choke hold, the suspension, etc., as well as insider rumors, all saying that (as advertised) DMC is immature and has a temper.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Feb 8, 2012 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Not enough time has elapsed for it to be proven

but he has been a solid player. Yeah there were “published reports” and “rumors” etc. It was investigated by the team and the coach got fired.

What more do you want said. He has not been a problem as “published reports” predicted he would. He is playing under control, dominate, and the leader of that team.

He and Monroe are the best players from that draft class. A bit of surprise on Monroe, but Cousins was a consensus talent and a “rumored” head case. I dont think he is out of the woods, but he is shining right now for sure.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions  

questions about his maturity and "temper" have been disproven so far

I strongly disagree with this. Go look at his long list of incidents in his first year. Just because he’s playing nice for a few weeks after the team fired a coach on his behalf does not mean that he’s not still a time bomb.

by MR on Feb 8, 2012 6:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that's not unprove but he also rocks a 20+ PER

that’s All Star level right there

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

But he will carry that label with you his whole career

as people justify not taking the best talent in his draft class #1

The fact is he is has been solid and is dominant. He is 6’11 270lbs averaging 15pts, 11 reb, and a steal, block and assist a game…all-star production

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Except for:

Making the playoffs in 82, 84-88, 97 and 05-08. Not an amazing record, of course, but not exactly rebuilding for 32 years.

by Llamaman on Feb 8, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we have been rebuilding for 32 years. Those playoff teams were never contending teams.

Playoffs lol over half the league makes the playoffs every season. Is that your measuring stick lol ?

We have won 45 games in a season about once in 32 years. that is 3 games over .500. And it is a pathetic lack of accomplishment.

Talk to me when we win 50 games in a season and I will acknowledge the rebuild is here

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not everything is black and white

rebuilding isn’t defined as “not making a deep playoff run.” It’s when a team gets rid of their old core and decides to build a new one. Do you honestly believe we were rebuilding during the Gilbert years? Or that we were rebuilding during the Jeff Ruland era? Are the Hawks rebuilding now by holding onto their core of Johnson/Smith/Horford? Are the Warriors rebuilding by holding onto Curry/Ellis, even though they didn’t make the playoffs?

by Llamaman on Feb 9, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions  

except

a lot of teams don’t even sign picks that late. They try to get them to go to Europe and play. Lakers just cut the only other guy taken that late to make a team.

by Jheiser3 on Feb 7, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Not too sad

But I do think he seemed like a great kid that deserved a bit more burn than he got. Apart from that I don’t mind. Hopefully this means a trade is coming…

by BballBrit on Feb 8, 2012 2:30 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Anybody hear anything else about the Charlotte trade.

Wasn’t the FO trying to get Diaw for Dray, but Charlotte wasn’t willing to make the deal instead they wanted to swap Thomas. Could be getting both what you guys think.

by p.robb87 on Feb 8, 2012 8:02 AM EST reply actions  

Doubt anything would happen until Blatche gets healthy

Probably won’t hear anything else until we get near the trade deadline.

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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 8, 2012 8:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Thomas is just another way of spelling Blatche

Diaw despite the bulk can still play some

by khrabb on Feb 8, 2012 9:52 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

that's funny

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions  

If I had to guess the reason's for Ndiaye's release...

First and foremost, roster flexibility. The Wizards need the extra spot if they are to make any moves for the remainder of the season, whether through trades (entirely possible) or through the D-League.

Second, but not fundamental, is money. I say it’s not fundamental because if there were no limits on roster size it’s more likely that Hamady wouldn’t have been cut. But because of the need for roster flexibility, Hamady got cut because he was the cheapest option.

It was a reasonable move.

by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 8, 2012 1:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree. His release was pretty much sealed the moment we signed Evans.

For a team like the Wiz to be maxed out on roster spaces would be pretty dumb.

by MR on Feb 8, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

its money first and foremost

we always had flexibility when he is owed a few hundred thousand dollars and no commitment in the future

when we find that player, all we have to do is cut him. drop one, add one. that is flexible. his roster spot was never etched in stone.

the difference is whether we had to pay him. and he was cut the week we would have had to pay him for the remainder of the season if we cut him to add another player.

which means it was all about the money

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

But what future does the guy have on this team anyways?

You make some very valid points. I suppose they could always cut the guy if they need the roster space even if his contract becomes guaranteed. But why? You have to assume that the Wizards had at this point given up on him as part of the future. He wasn’t getting on the court – surely because he didn’t prove himself in practices and in the NBADL.

They have 4 players that otherwise are ahead of him on the center depth chart: McGee, Seraphin, Turiaf and Blatche

Sure some of them might not be around next season, but the Wizards have multiple picks next season. They will also have more cash for free agency than they’ve had in a long time. They’re going to have to use it.

Where does he fit on the roster in the long term? I think that’s been spelled out by now. And so I think – for money reasons as you say – the Wizards have decided to cut him, because there are only 15 roster spaces – as others have raised.

by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 8, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions  

That goes for more expansive dudes too though

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

he has no future with us, obviously.

My points are simply:
1- He did not have a chance on the NBA court to see if there is anything worth keeping
2- He was cut to save money
3- It would have been smart for him to have had more opportunity because a) we already invested in him and b)we have a huge need at that position so you want to be sure you are making the decision with some real input
4- our front court in general and center especially is getting torched this season (as well as the past few seasons)
5- we have no depth at center. two of the four are injured indefinitely, jmv is leaving, and seraphin will not develop into a starting center in this league. Long term, we might have one back up center on the roster
6- He probably would not have amounted to much. But on a team THIS BAD, you need to kick every tire and turn over every stone

We are in the worse position of any franchise in the league right now. We are asked to be patient. OK, but I dont want to see the team half ass their end. That is not OK

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 5:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I couldn't agree more

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 6:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we could have guaranteed his contract and then cut him the next day if we needed the roster spot.

So if that is the criteria for being “all about money” then you are right.

Ted is not Mark Cuban. He’s not going to spend “stupid” money. He’s not going to throw money away. He’s going to try to be smart with what the team spends. I agree that if that hurts the team then it’s an issue. But really I don’t think cutting H is an issue. To keep him around if you know he’s not going to contribute only to cut him down the road is just silly.

Honestly there is only one or two teams in the league still spending “stupid” money. Even the Lakers are being more thrifty than in the past.

by MR on Feb 8, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Cuban plays to win. And he won. Dallas fans love him. And there are a lot of Dallas fans, many players included

He turned a city in the middle of a semi-desert into a destination players want to go to.

He is not just sitting around planning to stink up the joint until David Stern rewards him.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions  

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