When Following The Plan Becomes Reinventing The Wheel
What's a fan to do? There's a tide of general resentment lacking a sure target since Flip Saunders' firing. The Ten Point Plan isn't under fire and it isn't like Ted is charging an arm and a leg for tickets. And who knows, maybe he's inciting the blogosphere to take heat off the team. Apologist insanity aside, Randy Wittman is playing what he's got (Rashard Lewis must be played 20 to 35 minutes a game or every volcano in the world will erupt simultaneously) though I said it before and I'll say it again, it isn't possible to give a full season's worth of Knute Rockne speeches and you damn well shouldn't have to. One can only get pumped up so many times before tuning out the noise. It is impossible to sustain emotional overdrive with the best part of the season still ahead and no clear indication help is on the way.
It's easy to be pessimistic. If we look to the Thunder rebuild, John Wall can't stack up with Kevin Durant (since no one can). There is no Nick Collison. We have no other homerun draft pick to put next to John. If we look to the Celtics rebuild, Javale McGee's trade value won't stack up with Al Jefferson's on his best day. And that's if Ernie Grunfeld is ready to pull off a trade coup that will make Danny Ainge sit up and blink. Twice.
If the fans heard Ernie was ready to pull off a deal for Stephen Curry and Ekpe Udoh involving our lottery pick and Javale McGee, where would we be at? If we heard the Wizards were going after Ryan Anderson, Omer Asik and Chase Budinger in FA, letting Nick Young walk? That's just one cockamamie thought, but I'm posing it for the purposes of asking whether or not there's any hypothetical scenario outside of highway robbery where Ernie Grunfeld redeems himself before his contract is up.
Direct all eyes to (what I believe is) the trade deadline on March 15th. Less than six weeks away.
The sentiment that we, the fans, overvalue our own players has been getting more run than usual. This roster cannot play balanced basketball, and unless Ernie is planning to go lie on a beach somewhere, he must make a move. Because no self-respecting GM could let this go on with so many 'actionable' assets and we're probably going to get back less than we expect.
Ernie has been at his best when he's holding the leverage. His pattern of behavior is easy to spot. With the Wizards failing to make wine out of water, Ernie will not be dealing from a position of strength. To be fair, we are approaching a make-or-break moment we've been anticipating ever since John Wall fell into our laps. Ernie Grunfeld is a survivor, but can he build a winner?
It's easy enough to suggest the Wizards tried to reinvent the wheel for the rebuilding paradigm. That the Thunder 'model' was 'catch lightning in a bottle...repeat.' That constructing the roster was institutional tanking on a scale never before seen in the NBA.
In the end, my mind keeps coming back to Darrell Green's comments Dan Steinberg transcribed about the Redskins tradition. How there was no connection to the Redskins tradition because there aren't people left who remember it, who lived it. I'm not certain, but if the longest tenured staff were of the medical variety, how would those of you who remember the curse feel about the current Wizards tradition?
But this season is about new traditions and the new Wizards and current staff are trying to create the foundation of a dynasty where the future of every single player and coach is in doubt. Like trying to build a sand castle in the surf. Get this franchise some help, Ernie. Not addressing the holes on this team really is trying to reinvent the wheel. NBA teams need certain things, like shooting, to be successful, and you damn well should have known better.
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Ernie's more than a day late..
…and a dollar short. Not only is there insufficient talent, there is no sustained player development. Lose-lose.
by Izman on Feb 7, 2012 7:21 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Agreed. Wall is the only NBA starter quality player the Wizards have right now and I’m going to be sad seeing him in a Mavericks uniform in 3 years.
I know the stereotype of a dumb fan is they want a lot of splashes with trades, but what has our glacial rebuilding effort gotten us the fans? Ted Leonsis saves some money so he can offer us $30 all you can eat hotdogs? It disgusts me to look at the Clippers realize they had the #1 pick only a year before us. Think the Wizards will be as good as the Clippers next year?
by satchow on Feb 7, 2012 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The Clippers are the king of the glacial rebuild
Honestly how long have they been down the past twenty years. There last " rebuild " started after the 2006 season so its taken them the better part of 5 years to turn it around. The only reason they had the assets to trade for Chris Paul was because of the string of high first rounders they had on the team from losing year after year.
I know we have been losing for a couple years now but the rebuild didn’t start til " Finger Gunz " which was about two years ago. So to call out rebuild glacial in year 2-3 is a bit of a stretch.
by ccrun1800 on Feb 7, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah the clips were a bad example to roll out
But it will be interesting to see whether we or the Bobcats get past the second round of the playoffs first. That is a fair comparison.
And most rebuilding teams by their third year can top 30 wins. So it will be interesting to see if that happens, especially since we started year one with the top pick and a franchise prospect.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
the cavs and hornets are also comparable rebuilds
MIN and LAC not so much
but then there are solid organizations like the 76ers and Jazz that rarely have even one down year
ATL was at 30 wins by their third season too
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions
Is it a coincidence that the trade deadline for this abysmal lockout warped season...
falls on The Ides of March?
If Ernie is Caesar, then who will be his Brutus? And what Anthony (not Melo, probably Greg) will deliver the funeral oration?.
But Ernie is not Caesar by a long shot. So perhaps he will avoid the Emperor’s fate.
There will, I think, be deals. But will they be sound and fury, signifying nothing? Or will Ernie channel Prospero and lead us into a Brave New World?
Get busy Ernie, this team needs help now. Get some value for JaVale in particular, if possible. Cut Mason and Evans and replace them with some D-League energy. Then sort out the potential in the players that remain and focus your options regarding who to choose in the Draft and go after in Free Agency.
by khrabb on Feb 7, 2012 7:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
I think the likelihood of
EG channeling prospero is as likely as Iago having a change of heart…though EG whispering in Ted/Othello’s ear is amusing…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
If a tree falls in the forest and there is no one there to hear it...
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… the only way I know there is a “plan” going on with the Wizards (to actually compete in this league) is that Ted and Ernie say there is a plan.
Otherwise, all I see is is spinning wheels and killing time. What exactly is getting better?
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
Rather than look to Ernie's GM abilities to save us
I’d rather Ted focus on who will be his new GM after he lets Ernie go. Ernie’s had three lottery picks in a row and all he’s got to show for it is Wall and a long-term project in Vesely. And let’s not even go into Ernie’s decisions to re-sign Blatche and a severely injured Arenas to mega-buck long-term contracts. If Ted lets Ernie select our fourth lottery pick in four years, then he should resign himself to becoming a permanent visitor to Stern’s bouncing ball ceremony.
blatche is the only bad contract that is really on ernie, but he isn't
Arenas was because of Mr. Pollin.
by thewiz06 on Feb 7, 2012 8:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's because he hasnt spent money in two years lol
just wait…more to come
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
I know this will be unpopular but...
There’s too much impatience with the rebuild. No there’s no great player to stick next to Wall, but haven’t we all looked forward to the 2012 draft as the one with the potential stars? If not next draft, then there’s the draft after that.
It’s waaayyyy too early to judge the Vesely pick. Booker is turning into a solid player – perhaps more than solid. Singleton has the potential to be good and Seraphin is apparently better than had assumed. Crawford and Mack can be very good backups in this league.
The Wizards have pieces that are worth building on. That’s the most important thing. The time for them to start making more significant changes is this offseason. If they can get a reasonable trade that involves Blatche or McGee – as unlikely or likely that may be – go for it.
The 2012 offseason has always been the one to make changes due to the contracts of Lewis, McGee and Young. I have my doubts Leonsis will be willing to amnesty Blatche, but both Blatche and the Wizards would be better off with separation.
I will say this: if the Wizards roster next year consists of essentially the same players, plus 1 or 2 new rookies, then it’ll be cause for impatience.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 7, 2012 9:35 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
You'll get murdered for saying this but I agree mostly.
I understand we didn’t get a superstar with our #1 pick and if that means we have to wait another year, I get it.
by mogoman on Feb 7, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I agree with this, mostly
Aside from small moves, it’s hard to see what they could have done that would have made an impact because of the lockout. We were hoping Wall and McGee’s progress would have been more linear. We were hoping Young would not regress and Blatche would show some spark. I don’t think the most cynical fan would predict the incompetence of this team. We’ll be bad for a while, so from that end we need patience, but it’s hard to see a next move at this point. I think Ernie has to go now, but I didn’t think that prior to this season.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Feb 7, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I thought Mike
made some excellent suggestions to acquire a third big man and shooter that would have gone a long way to settling the roster a bit. We’ll still need a veteran defensive big man next season, so the benefit of having Ronny Turiaf on a one year deal seems negligible
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
but role players are a dime a dozen and interchangeable.
for instance the Knicks paid us to take Turiaf from them and Turiaf was better than Seraphin til he got hurt. So how exactly is Seraphin a piece worth building on when another team paid us to take a guy who could replace him?
i agree with you 100% we need patience because nothing is really happening until we identify/acquire at least 2 more foundational pieces for the team. Given this upcoming draft is our best chance to get at least one….the biggest question facing the org is does Ernie deserve to be the guy making those choices?
by DCrez on Feb 7, 2012 10:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good benches are not a dime a dozen
The Wizards bench is mediocre at best. You can’t just buy a good bench. If the Wizards are to be a great team they need 8-9 players that can play. Not just 2 or 3.
for instance the Knicks paid us to take Turiaf from them and Turiaf was better than Seraphin til he got hurt. So how exactly is Seraphin a piece worth building on when another team paid us to take a guy who could replace him?
It’s far more complicated than you make it out to be. The Knicks needed to dump salary to add an expensive free agent center. We’re a year and a half into Seraphin’s NBA career.
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 7, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you can buy good role players easily, teams do it every year consistently and with success.
Whether through trades or FAs acquisition, it is not hard to to acquire role players. But an entire bench in one offseason? That is a different story altogether and not something I suggested especially since your bench has to have at least one starting caliber player.
As to Turiaf, it’s not complicated at all. Probably close to 100% of BF posters believe he was better than Seraphin this season and another team paid us to take him. Journeyman role players are constantly moved around like that to make trades work or clear CAP space. If you are saying maybe Seraphin is going to be a long term starting C for us, well that’s one thing, but if you are looking at him as a role player- replacing his production would be easy. That doesnt mean we should trade him, but it means having him doesnt indicate he rebuild is moving along (as was suggested) because his production is so easily replaceable.
I love that point on Seraphin and Turiaf!
but of course ernie has to go. he had to go when gun gate when down
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
Thought much the same last night
This team is maddening to watch. Young all over, but thats the deal we made. These guys deserve time. We’re watching Kevin get more and more comfortable. He can do more offensively than set high screen though. He even smiled last night. There’s a lot to work with there. Vesely is a smart kid, shows great effort but needs to work.
One thing about the INTL guys though, they are guaranteed to go home for a bit over the offseason. Thats going to make it harder to develop them individually or in Jan’s case keep him in the weight room. Not sure where they stand for the Olympics.
Amen
This is just year 2 and everything will start to at least form into what the future will be next year:
-Nick Young will likely be walking
Rashard Lewis will should have his contract bought out and be gone
-Blatche, for all his talents and potential, should be amnestied and given a chance to put it together elsewhere
-The JaVale McGee decision will be made for better or worse (unless he’s somehow traded this season)
-Lottery pick and likely stud in the 2nd round (JayMychal Green)
That alone is huge enough turnover to have patience and not rush anything this season or make any irrational moves.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Agree with pretty much all of this
I’m not pessimistic (yet) and I’m still holding out hope Ernie can make a legit attempt to balance the roster. Though to be perfectly honest, EG’s roster construction this season has little to do with the rebuild.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:36 AM EST up reply actions
We can add two starting players next year, maybe three.
We can amnesty/buy out Lewis and sign a max player. And we will have a high draft pick. And we can sign someone for the MLE. We can let McGee walk and sign someone for the same amount of money (Hibbert?) we would have had to pay him. We can let Young walk and do the same. We can amnesty Blatche if we buy out Lewis.
We can get better next year. If we do it right we can be a lot better next year. This year we’re stuck with what we have, and it would be a major mistake to to trade away the flexibility we have for a few measly wins in a meaningless season.
The problem is
that Ted and Ernie seem on board with letting guys (Young and maybe McGee) walk, but seem to view replacing them by any other means than the draft as a violation of the “plan”. So if we let those guys walk and then draft a shooting guard and center to be their replacements, are we improving our position or just treading water (at best)?
I see that as the problem as well
But they also probably need to say that is the plan because even if they did try and go after some high end free agents, what reason would they have for signing here?
Chronologically
We’re drafting before those guys can go anywhere. I do think the draft will determine some of our direction there. If we Land a C type like Drummond or shot blocker like Davis then JaVale becomes a sign + trade chip. Whereas if we land Lamb, Barnes etc that makes JVM more of a priority.
JVM is gone. You know that right? 100% probability
At best, you can grab Lamb and hope JVM sticks around one more year before UFA and worry about a center then.
But that is the wrong strategic move to make but not the worse he could do. Isn’t Barnes projected to be another SF? That would be a tough sell to waste two consecutive low lottery picks on the same position, though they can speak different languages. Maybe that could provide some coaching flexibility then?
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions
Here's the other problem...
We can amnesty/buy out Lewis and sign a max player.
The better solution would be to buy out Lewis (save $13 Million on next year’s Cap number) and Amnesty Blatche (save another $7 Million on next year’s cap, and an ADDITIONAL $15.5 Million in out years).
With Young gone, the Wizards should have between $22-$23 Million to spend under the cap.
Unfortunately, other than Dwight Howard (which is NOT happening) – there are not any Free Agents worth a max contract on the market this Summer….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
2015 is the next big year I think
They will probably get one or two mid priced guys this summer plus the lottery pick. That will change the team quite a bit….bring us up to a 20 win team again
and then one more big lottery pick in 2013 and that will be the roster until 2015 when they package some players for a big splash.
and we will be left with wall, 2012 stud and the free agent as a core
that’s how i think it will go down
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
Uhm Wall's contract is up in the summer of 2014
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 8, 2012 4:08 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe not a loth worth the max
But we could overpay for someone, like Eric Gordon, and try to steal him from New Orleans. They will probably match.
A lower price option could be Landry Fields. But i’m not sold on him.
A possible trade I’d forgotten about is Gerald Henderson. I’d be willing to give up something for him from Charlotte. Even if that meant taking back Thomas for Blatche and including another player, like Crawford.
too much impatience...
exactly…we have 8 players 24 and under (not counting H)…Lewis, Young and Blatche will be gone sometime in the next year. Our young players are gaining experience and showing heart. We will make some trades and draft some players… I still trust EG…These next 20 games need to be played with consistency and in the last 22 games we need to see growth…next year we’ll have one new starter from free agency and one from the draft (two from the draft if we trade McGee for a pick)…TRADE McGEE
The strategy is to be patient and grow with youth...
….but it is a flawed strategy if it isn’t supported with player development. You can say trade player X. Y or Z, but the same thing will happen. I don’t see a comprehensive development program, developmental coaching, dedication to repetition, and gradual but sustained improvement (or any improvement in some cases). Ed Tapscott is in charge of player development, which should tell you everything you need to know about the success of player development in Wizland.
Our 2 Best Trade Assets at the deadline are Nick Young and Ronnie Turiaf
Ronnie needs to hurry up and get well so he can produce and get traded.
Nick is going to be in very high demand being the instant offense off the bench for a contending team.
issue there
is that Nick has to agree to the trade because it voids his Bird rights. I think he would OK something that sent him west or to a contender though.
Two things about trading Nick
I"m sure he wouldn’t mind getting traded to a playoff team. And what good are his bird rights if we won’t re-sign him and likely wouldn’t get much in a sign and trade.
One thing about trading Nick
who is really in cap hell? with the amnesty, there doesnt seem to be anybody really hurting that would give up a player or a pick for an expiring contract
the best nick might fetch is a high first round pick. the problem is he plays the same position as most of the superstars on the teams really competing (kobe, wade, etc). chicago is not prob not going to want him with Rip around
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Actually another trade asset is J. McGee
If I was approached with a solid offer, I would be willing to trade him to get more pieces.
by Aquamaneastfish on Feb 7, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
oh he is a shooter all right. no one is confusing him for a player that doesnt shoot the ball ;-)
JC can be a nice complementary piece if he can eliminate most of his bad shots and play within the offense.
In fact, many of the players on this team would help us if they really cut out the bad and stupid shit they did and played team ball
tall order, i know, but it is true
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
In regards to tradition/curses
The clippers completely cleaned house when the drafted Blake Griffin. I believe the only player left from before Blake is Jordan. They traded for and signed pieces that fit perfectly for Griffin and all of those pieces are guys that are either used to winning or very competitive. Theres nobody on that team left that remembers the Clipper curse and now they are a possible contender.
Forget what I said
If Chauncey Billups is going to be out for the with an torn achilles. The Clippers Curse lives!
The Clippers are cursed with bad drafting- like us. Once they had a legitimate superstar, they stepped up big
One possible exception is Elton Brand. But he was never a superstar potential, just a solid piece they could have built around
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Ernie's picks
Wall, Booker, Mack, Vesely, Singleton, Seraphin, -- not bad for where we picked.
No out & out busts in this bunch. Cudda been much worse.
One or two beside Wall could turn into something very good.
I don’t know how to pick better than this where you pick.
by VBfan on Feb 7, 2012 12:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
JV is a total bomb at #6 and that was the second most important pick
And Ernie has been here like since the 2004 draft. Here are his picks you omitted- name one real starter:
lazar hayward
nemanja bjelica
jermaine taylor
JVM
bill walker
NY
Dom Mcguire
Pecherov
Veremeenko
Blatche
Peter John Ramos
there is a reason this team has no trade assets. his skills do not lie in drafting. which is really the only reason you need for him not to be resigned
by les boulez bomber on Feb 8, 2012 12:56 AM EST up reply actions
Think we traded half those guys on draft night...
but yeah…less than stellar
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:42 AM EST up reply actions
Give Minny a call on Derrick Williams for McGee
We should have pieces to make a deal if you consider Young, Vesely, and possibly Tyrus Thomas (if we do that Blatche deal). Let them dump Wes Johnson and their least desirable center between Niko, Darko and Miller.
I was worried about getting Williams and then having to pass on PF in the draft, but thats only a problem if we get the top pick. We would just have to take the position that we draft Barnes, Drummond, MKG, Lamb, or Beal. We’d only be ruling out Perry, Sully, and Thomas Robinson. All three of those PFs have a major question mark. The only predicament is if we get Anthony Davis and thats a good problem.
I’d love to see us move McGee, Young, and Blatche to position ourselves for a core of Wall, Barnes, and Derrick Williams and the cap space to make a run at Bynum in 2013. For the Wolves, they get a talented starting center and possibly SG as well on a team where the pecking order is much more established so that they can play specific roles.
by gorebd on Feb 7, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No Bynum please...
dude is a thug/headhunter/whatever-you-like
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I hope Grunfeld takes in to account
that it was an anomaly in the earths min phase of the x wave of Chandlers wobble that actually built the team. 2001 was the end of a 7 year solar cycle. 2005 saw a major shift in magnetic pole tracking the Earths axis. The relative motion of the earths axis stopped in 2006. A year later Arenas’ career is over. Now BNIE mentions volcanos,so I assume he is talking about team building. 2006-2008 saw a big increase in volcanism and the end of Arenas’ career. 2014 should be an the end of another solar cycle and when the team is expected to be competitive again. Right on schedule.
Now, with our own Sagitterius galaxy colliding with Milky Ways dark rift leading to the sun to reaching a solar maximum, the strongest in 26000 years, will the 2012 draft class be sucked in to a black hole?. Will the precession of planets from Gods gate to Mans gate bring back Jesus and how will that effect the team? Can the team play with energy and purpose on the other side of the galactic equator? Or, with the end of the precessional wobble mean the team will play flat? Does Teds plan take in to account a 5th state of consciousness this year or the Great Spirits 3rd shaking? What does he plan to do when the rattlesnake constellation springs feathers, hands and feet? Make trades? Sign FAs.? Lots of unanswered questions. And does the organization even have a plan for when the earths north axis points to Vega instead of Polaris?
When the axis shifts
the rebuild will be over and the world will rotate around DC sports
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 8, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
I think Les Boulez is right
the magnetic pole is making its way to Veermenko. In fact, I think its predicted to be located right where his house is by the end of this year. He will gain special powers and Grunfeld will look bad again. As Shakespeare pointed out, its all in the stars. I think they Wizcould do just as well with a superconducting gravimeter as they could with Grunfeld and the plan.
by hambonejackson on Feb 8, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Worried about Grunfeld making a move for the wrong reasons
If he makes a trade just to try and keep his job, that’s not good for us. Like trading Blatche for Thomas when we would probably be better off amnestying Blatche over the summer.
I am all for trades at the deadline, because teams get desperate. But the key is to not be the desperate one.
As for midseason trades, outside of Wall, I can’t see anyone on our roster being that desirable except McGee or Lewis (for his potential salary buyout).
I’d rather we save our assets for a draft day trade to try and move up with a second pick in the top 12, if possible. I still think this draft is going to be better overall with lottery talent than the last 2 or maybe even last three combined.

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