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Washington Wizards Fall To Toronto Raptors: I Blame the 3D Baseboards

Items which the Washington Wizards were not allowed to bring through Canadian customs

1. The ability to grab the orange spherical object;

2. The desire to consistently keep moving through their offensive sets;

3. The intelligence to stop Jose Calderon from initiating another pick and roll;

4. Their recognizance that the only thing Linas Kleiza has ever been able to do is shoot the three;

5. Their hearts.

I think we are well past the point of pointing fingers at who is responsible for the mess that we currently find ourselves in as a franchise and I'm running out of humorous ways to describe what was another poor performance from the team tonight. Two things are immediately apparent, the first is that this team is not prepared on a day in day out basis to come out compete against other NBA squads. I can tolerate getting blown out by elite teams, I can even tolerate getting blown out by veteran teams like the Magic, but to lose to a Raptors team that is missing their best player and to be outrebounded by a nearly two to one margin before garbage time is unacceptable. John Wall last season kept repeating the mantra after losses that the team didn't "have no heart and it didn't have no fight." Well tonight is Exhibit A in the fact that the Wizards waltzed into the Air Canada Center and expected to get a win, and got pounded down by a team that for all intents and purposes is inferior talent wise, but obviously dedicates the time to learn offensive sets and run a passable pick and roll.

The second thing is that we are now 25 games into the season, and the starters still like a group of guys who just met in the rec league. Their seems to be little to no trust in the starting unit, and whoever is inserted into that unit seems to immediately contract the deadly disease of "standing around and looking disinterested."

I don't want to take anything away from the Raptors, as they executed their offensive gameplan perfectly, and worked the Wizards over on the defensive end to the point where the Wizards basically cried out "no mas" and settled for crappy jumpers and ill-advised threes.

Something needs to change. This isn't about "trusting the process" or "allowing the players to gel." What we have is group of players who have no ideas what their roles are and a centerpiece who might be quickly becoming perturbed that there doesn't seem to be any help on the way. We have a gunner who the team lowballed and is basically getting run out of town, as well as a center whose erratic play makes it almost impossible to be able to give a ballpark estimate on what fair recompense is. We don't have a Ricky Rubio or a Jonas Valanciunas stashed overseas ready to ride in and save us.

This is what we have. And currently, what we have doesn't play very well together.

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Yeesh...

just got in and readying to watch on LP dvr…bracing myself…

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions  

was afraid this would be a trap game :/

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Not even a bear trap

this was like some Indiana Jones type of trap

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

dont do it

what u see, cant be un-seen.

Take heed to this warning

by KurisuDevil on Feb 3, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

As I learned from Animal House

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions  

One Question that your post raised for me is

Who has “heart” on the Wizards? And who doesn’t?

Say that EG had to do a “trailblazers” style sale of the players on the Wizards, except instead of eliminating those players who had conviction, he had to get rid of those players who lacked “heart.” Who stays and who goes?

I think Booker, Singleton, and Wall are the only players I would keep if I ranked the team by “heart.” The rest of the players, I’m just not sure.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

Crawford plays with intensity and has showed great strides in becoming more of a slasher than shooter lately.

by Shaun H on Feb 4, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One other thing I'd like to add

I think the Wizards need to shake-up their starting line-ups and rotations. . I think we should go back to the Singleton-Booker front court we used earlier in the season. I’d like to see Lewis get some minutes at PF. I think Nick Young needs more minutes at the SF position.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

my guess:

the Wiz were looking past the Raptors and towards Lob City…

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by adamvolo on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

My response

You are 4-20. How can you look past ANYONE!?

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If that's true

Our team culture would need a complete make-over.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you hit the nail on the head there. Grunfeld is great at flipping average veteransfor draft picks & good prospects, but he’s poor at evaluating talent and doesn’t seem to understand the need to build a team and not a collection of players.

by Shaun H on Feb 4, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm usually mad at these loses because I feel like we are so much better talent wise

Serious question to think about, I know we have a bunch of very athletic players but:

Are we overvaluing our talent?

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

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by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

uh...I don't think anyone is overvaluing talent

we’ve got a bunch of below average to slightly above average NBA players…and they are playing to form…

Ted wanted us to be terrible…he has said so, multiple times….maybe we should start to believe him…

my problem is I think he sees a 3 year turnaround (thus locking in prices for 3 years) while we are looking for progress each year…I think expectations are misaligned…

oh well….

by DavidDunn on Feb 3, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

The honeymmon period is over for him too BTW

I still think he is a good player, this team is just not going to justify his talents right now though.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions  

i harp on Vesely because he's the last straw of why Ernie cant be retained.

you can probably make the case Ves is the worst player in the league right now, or certainly the most ineffective. That’s whom Ernie scouted for 2yrs and used our lottery pick on.

by DCrez on Feb 3, 2012 11:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

My only problem with that is

If Ted planned on us sucking this bad we better make a jump in victories next season like Chicago did last year, short season or not it still counts and Wall will be in his third season next year and accustomed to losing within this franchise. At this point you are not getting Howard, don’t need Deron when you have Wall, so where are we going to get a stud piece to go along with Wall, because if we go the draft route we might be waiting on that player while we watch Wall walk.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 12:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Depends on who you're talking about

Just on this board, you can find radically different opinions about players. Some people think McGee and Young are top 10 players at their position. Others think they will never be solid starters.

I think one of the major problem is “fit.” The Wizards don’t really fit together. The Wizards don’t have any great shooters. I think a player like Jan V. would look significantly better if he was surrounded by shooters. If he was on, say Miami, he’d be loved as the hustle defensive guy, because they don’t need him to score. We need him to score. Same with Singleton.

So are our players “bad?” Or are they bad because they don’t fit? The answer is probably yes on a lot of them to first question, but I think some are bad because of what they’re being asked to do.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly my point

And those are 2 key players. Vesley is a bad fit currently. Singleton is also bad right now but will be less so if he could at least hit the wide open 3 pointer and find so other use on offense (did he ever post up in college?). It also wouldn’t look as bad if he was rebounding like earlier this year and contributing on the boards

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just a bad fit, he's just not that great a player.

Klay Thompson who was drafted at #11 looks like he would be a much better fit.

If the Wizards weren’t planning on giving Nick a long term deal why not take a SG in the draft to replace him or at least give him competition? Klay looks to me like he will be a better and more productive player in the long run.

by tw10 on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This is what I thought too

But the fact Jeremy Lamb is likely coming out makes me rest easier because had we drafted Klay then Lamb wouldn’t be a wise pick and he’s going to be a much better player than Klay.

Others were Kwahi leonard, Markieff Morris, Kenneth faried Alec Burks and 2 of my favorites in Marshawn Brooks and Tobias Harris.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

YES...every one of them were better picks and all were expected and in fact went from #6-20

Ernie really stinks…I am not sure what else to say other than his record speaks for itself

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:00 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

i suspect many of our opinions will be merging here soon if this keeps up.

too often it looks like none of the players are any good….see ya Ern

by DCrez on Feb 3, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the answer is that they are bad, period.

A team like the Kings is an example of talented pieces that dont fit. Thornton can fill it up. So can Tyreke and DeMarcus can dominate at times. I havent seen that from our so called “core” players. Right now the only player that is a lock is John.

by tw10 on Feb 3, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

A serious answer is who cares what the perceived value is?

Honestly, to use an example I don’t care if JaVale McGee goes on to be a 20-10 player for the next 10 years, if he nets us two good players who fit John Wall better, than you make the trade. If Nick Young gets a slightly average player and a 2nd rounder, you make the trade. If you can get Andray Blatche a new area code, you make the trade.

The problem is that all of the players mentioned above have little to no value. Who wants JaVale McGee, as amazing as he can be, when he has become the running butt of jokes in the media and the perception of him around the league is that he is a space cadet. JaVale had value last year, now I’m not sure he could fetch us anything that would be worth more than living through the migraine of watching him grow.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

More great points

You could even argue for addition by subtraction. The team is bad enough without selfish play and mental mistakes. I felt if we could get a couple good players and big body at least for JaVale we’d be better off because he currently doesn’t do much to effect the outcome of the games regardless of play.

Same with Young. He’s a good player who can fill it up, but with the way this team struggles to score, a little more consistency is needed out of that position, we can’t afford his blowups every few games. And the way everyone is struggling, more of the little things there would go a long way as well.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

i believe that bullets fans are slowly starting to realize that

our ‘assets’ are not really assets. and thus the rebuilding process has been set back significantly

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Feb 3, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yup

visions of trading Mcgee for a 1st rounder seem more and more ludicrous as nights like this pile up and he’s still probably most valuable asset besides wall. they’re just so turrible

by DCrez on Feb 3, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure

It depends on when that first rounder is? He’ still putting up good numbers. Remember we got Butler for Kwame, whose numbers were abyssal.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely right, Sean...

But I am getting worried about you being so down. Perhaps a few days’ holiday?

We do suck. That is for damn sure. I am glad I am 3500 miles away from this mess.

by khrabb on Feb 4, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

grunfeld's gotta go

he’s lost his touch. this drafting on ‘upside’ has been a complete disaster. the wiz have a roster full of half-talents – mcgee, vesely, seraphin, young, even wall, not to mention the expired, mason, lewis. i’ll give him booker and singleton even.

this can’t be fixed any time soon. dumping mcgee, blatche, and young would be a good start. addition by subtraction.

by stevie on Feb 3, 2012 10:07 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And crawford please

I can’t watch him. I wouldn’t even watch a game if he was on the other team. He makes basketball ugly

by mrmadrew on Feb 4, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

A centerpiece?

I think bust is more like it.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

That's just plain absurd

Wall is tied for 10th in the NBA in assists. He’s playing on a team that’s effective field goal percentage is third worst in the NBA: 44.6%. The two teams with worst effective FG% don’t have a single player producing seven assists the game.

Here are a few other PGs who have more assists per game and the team’s effective field goal percentage:
1. Steve Nash Phoenix’s EFG% 48.3 (14th overall)
2.. Rondo Boston 50.2% (8th)
3. Chris Paul LA Clipers 50.3(4th)

The Wizards don’t make shots. John doesn’t get assists. That’s not to say he doesn’t have flaws in his game. He should be playing a lot better. But, a lot of great points were slowed a bit in the transition to the pros. Gary Patyon is a great example, since he struggled to shoot just like Wall. It took him 4 years to really master the position, and the Wizards lack the shooters or big men to help him in that transition.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I like the Gary Payton example

but go look at GP’s shooting percentage. Much better in the same time frame. Wall’s defense is beyond terrible. It’s insulting. With his length and speed it simply lack of effort and horrible technique. He also is one of the worst shooters in the league. Also, where does he rank in assists per 36 minutes and more importantly, assist TO ratio. I get it, he plays a lot of minutes and has the ball a lot.

The little prince shouldn’t be untouchable.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I think it's pretty close

John Wall shot 40% from the floor and 29% from 3pt line as a rookie.
Gary Payton shot 45% from the floor and 7% from 3pt line.

Additionally, Jason Kidd shot 38% from the floor and 27% from 3pt line as a rookie. He also produced an embarrassing number of turnovers. Wall also had more assists in his first year.

It takes a little longer for PGs who lack range to transition to full superstars. Derrick Rose is the exception, not the rule.

He’s still a top flight PG prospect, and is the centerpiece of the Wizards rule.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Glad you think that

makes me feel better. Walls sophomore swoon at sub 40% shooting has me rattled and his defense really bothers me. I still believe in the athleticism and vision he has.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

I completely agree about the defense with you. That’s the element of his game that’s just inexcusable.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

and I really am a Wall fan

I realize it probably doesn’t come off like that from these posts. But I agree he still needs time and different/better teammates to realize his potential.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

and that is why you cant compare him to GP currently. And I like Wall too. He is one of the few players we should keep

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I understand your rationale, I dont agree with your comparison

First, JW is in the crappiest situation I have EVER seen a #1 picked, first day face of the franchise player thrown into. He is also the least prepared player to be put in that position since Kwame Brown. It is unfair to him. It is unfair to the fans. He will likely develop into a very good player at some point in his career even if they continue this unconsciously absurd rebuild strategy. He will not be playing for us if they dont change dramatically. He MAY become GP-like in that he might win multiple DPOY awards in a few years if he plays on a good team. But I doubt that will even happen bec the league changed the PG rules, and it is much much harder for a PG to be a lock down defender in the NBA today. So don’t expect many DPOY players coming from the PG position. I do think he will develop into one of the best PG defenders in the league, just without the formal award recognition.

But he is not comparable to GP. GP was a four year college stud. He was hands down the best player in college basketball and entered the league as a well rounded player who struggled shooting initially. But he still shot 45% his first years and 50% by his third year.

JW shot 40% his first year and made no improvement stat wise this year. Though he has better form, he cant shoot- at all. And that will take more than two more years to change.

The most important differences between the two are the players backgrounds coming into the NBA, the situations they had to develop, and GP played within himself his early years. GP was a much better shooter first year than JW, but not a good shooter. And he knew it which is why he only attempted 7 shots a game, not 14 like JW.

If anything, I think Evan Turner had a more similar start to GP, despite playing a different position. Both were four year college all stars on accomplished teams with well rounded games that struggled first season in the NBA. Though Turner is in a better situation than GP- an almost ideal situation really. And he is having a very second year GP type year stat wise.

JW is getting a raw deal from this organization in terms of the organization’s efforts to cultivate his development. Ultimately, he has to fight through it if he is to be great as we want. We all want him to get there. It is incumbent on him. Greatness is earned. But his background prior to stepping into this face of the franchise role and the resources he has available to him to ease his development are unlike any player I have ever seen. It is a disgrace, really- much more than a shame.

But he doesnt remind me of GP. I think they both struggled initially. GP to a lesser extent bec JW really needs to learn how to shoot. Three hours a day over the summer is not enough. He is that far behind where he should be.

Kwame Brown is another better comparison because of the similar extremely limited experience he had coming into the league, his raw skill set, the instant face of the franchise featured role, and his struggles. But unlike Kwame, JW has MUCH MORE drive and will be a far better player than KB ever was for his position. JW will play on a winning club one day and will make the all-star team one day, most likely. With us???

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

But

adding in the 3pt shooting percentage is a bit disingenous. Walls is shooting 0% from the 3pt line this year. And using Kidd as an example may be even more disturbing. Kidd is still a bad shooter. But he is a good defender.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

I included 3pt shooting as an indicator of rnage

But, you’re right. It’s not a perfect stat.

Here, something that might make you feel more at ease. Right now, John Wall is 2nd in scoring among sophomore. He’s first in assists for sophomores. He’s 10th among sophomore in rebounds.

He’s not where we want to him to be, but I think people were expecting him to be Derrick Rose. Most PGs don’t improve that quickly.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions  

You guys keep comparing Wall to HOF players

He is not even the best young PG prospect. Irving and Rubio are better than him right now. Forget Rose, JW should be compared to Brandon Knight right now. That is where his game is at today, honestly.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Kidd is a bad shooter?

Only 2 people in the history of the world have made more 3’s. I’m not saying he’s the greatest shooter ever, but he’s not terrible

by mrmadrew on Feb 4, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What did Payton shoot in his second year and what is JW shooting? And was GP giving up to the opposing team's PG as JW is?

I think it is a steeeetch to compare JW to GP- at all. But I do feel JW might be a lock down defender if he applies himself down the road. He needs to stop complaining and develop both sides of the ball and learn to run an efficient half court offense.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks

I responded more fully moments ago in a previous comment.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

John Wall is getting torched almost every game.

If he gets a double double, he gives up a triple double.

His line tonight: 15-5-4
Calderon- 8-8-17 (that is seventeen assists! the entire wiz team had 13 assists)
So JW was responsible for 23 points directly. And JC was responsible for 42.

the numbers fluctuate, but he seems to be out played every game. it doesn’t help he cant shoot, and I would not expect that to change anytime soon.

But he is not the problem. Ernie and half the roster has to go…STAT

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I wonder if Wall would be better guarding SG

He’s great at blocking shots. He’s got decent size. He’d also be able to play the passing lanes more.

However, I agree, right now, he’s terrible at guarding the point.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 11:20 PM EST up reply actions  

He might be. Good observation.

But basketball is not complicated. You need to guard the paint and the three point line….give up those jump shots and long twos all day long.

And we are lacking front court talent terribly…even though I like Booker, he is a match up player good against shorter lineups long term (as it appears right now).

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions  

looked good against Dwight Howard

So did Seraphin for that matter. If it wasn’t for the ticky tacky fouls and Howard actually hitting his FTs that might have shined through more.

I also keep wondering about Mack playing the point and Wall at the 2. Mack just seems to have a much much better grip on how to get people into the offense and get them the ball in the right places.

by nichobert on Feb 4, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree on the second point …regarding the front court…there are always good moments and games even one can point to…generally speaking, booker and seraphin are too short to play their position full time, all season, and deep into the playoffs. they are big enough to contribute, but not lead the team.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 2:11 AM EST up reply actions  

You cannot put that all on Wall

The bigs have to do a better job in the paint, when Wall releases his man into the paint the big men have to be there to rotate Wall did not give up 64 pts in the paint by himself. McGee is awful at pick and roll defense, he made Jose look like Rose this past monday, but everytime Wall got past Rose Noah was right there to clog up the middle. He can’t do everything by himself.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

that is a good point but I feel his defense leaves a lot to be desired still

his perimeter defense is not where it needs to be either. and that is not on the frontcourt

i also said he is not the problem. i hope you caught that bec it means i did not put it all on wall.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't mean to say you were blaming him.

What I was just suggesting was that Wall in my eye test plays some of the best perimeter D, especially ever since Wittman took over with his ball pressure philosophy, it’s when the PG get’s in the paint and the lack of not having a inside presence is a bad formula because Jose was getting to the rim at will as well as setting teammates up close to the basket. It was not funny, and I think I was more piss than the team was. Plus when we did get stops on the perimeter we could not get a rebound.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions  

gotcha…we absolutely agree on the crappy frontcourt. wall will improve defensively any ways. and i am really glad he is bulking up

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes, but we're just two good forwards....

…and a million light years from being a good team.

by Izman on Feb 3, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

I think he has pride. I have criticized him in this post. But I give him some passes too. Aside from bulking up, he wasted his off season. But I have to believe he did what he thought he should be doing. Hopefully, he realizes his mistake and actually works to improve his fundamentals this offseason. He has a spot in this league for a long time. If he does not improve substantially, and the team does not improve substantially (and one does lead to the other), he wont re-sign with us. that’s all…

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Sean and Mike are spot on with potentially the team's main problem though
Do they have players that know their role and accept them?

I’d say, arguably, the only player on the roster who knows his role and accepts it is Trevor Booker (Rashard also and Crawford lately as creator off the bench). No one else knows what exactly to do and the offense is disjointed as a result:

-Jan Vesely out there acting as a midpoint between players

-Young back to doing entirely too much with the ball and making life complicated for everyone

-McGee throwing up nonsense at times when he doesn’t make a quick decisive move

-Singleton looking all-around lost

-Seraphin catching the ball in spots and hesitating rather than knocking down that short jumper with confidence

The defense is an entirely different story. I’ve never seen such lack of cohesion and guys not having a feel for each other (evidenced by 2 of our players closing out on the same shooter, jumping at the same pump fake inside or bobbling the rebound away from each other). I’m at a loss….

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions  

Even last year

The Wizards had a guy like Howard who genuinely hated losing, Hinrich (for the first bit) and roleplayers who were fun towel wavers and locker room choirboys (Cartier) or scrappers (Othyus). You could even argue that Mo Evans provided a little stability. It was still a terrible team, but they kept it close on quite a few nights.

This year we have have two veterans who can’t get on the floor, and ostracized team leader, and a bunch of young guys who suddenly find themselves in a very, very bad situation. I don’t like the chemistry that is being brewed.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 11:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Depends on the Rookies Drafted

I think Singleton hates to lose. I think Mack hates to lose. I can’t really tell how passionate Jan. V is.

There are some prospective draft picks who have great heart. Jared Sullinger, Michael Kidd-Gilcrhist, and Brad Beal all have heart.

by GJennings on Feb 3, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions  

But I think you need at least one semi decent old dog in there

to teach the young’uns and keep things copacetic. OKC has Collins and previously Kevin Ollie. We have career journeymen. Oh and Lewis, but I don’t think he provides much in the way of leadership.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

one day

remember…this 20 year old kid did not even lead his team to a championship on a stacked roster with all five first round NBA draft picks including Cousins, Patterson, etc

He is not ready for the role being asked of him…and I dont mean just his deficient basketball skills. His entire development is being mishandled, imho

And mark my words, if the WIZ plan to keep stinking it up until they stockpile enough lottery picks until they are actually really good, and if they manage to re-sign JW, he will not be the best player/leader of the franchise. Maybe publically, but not on the court. Just like Blake Griffen is not the leader of the Clippers

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and that is not a knock on JW, it is on the franchise

JW is in a shitty situation and has an uphill climb to reach his potential right now. Of course, his hard work can prove me wrong, but we are making it harder for him to reach his potential for sure.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Can you shine some light on a potential player down the road?

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

"OKC has Collins (Collison?) and previously Kevin Ollie."

Would our guys listen and learn from guys like Collison and Ollie? There’s been a lot of griping on here that JaVale needs Hakeem Olajuwon to teach him post moves. That should be utter nonsense, but it might be true, just because JaVale might not listen to anyone without Hakeem’s reputation.

If that’s the case, how about throwing big one year contract offers at guys like Jason Kidd or Ben Wallace this summer?

by yop32 on Feb 4, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, we have a lot of problems...alot

We are a long way from competing for a full season and through the playoffs as an organization…a long way. We need two high lottery type front court talents that can play from day one.

I strongly believe that if this team ever gets off the ground and plays for a conference championship, JW will not be the best player on the team (but he may be on the team).

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't call Wall a bust

He’s just a lot further away than we thought.
He’s just not polished. Look at how polished Irving is. Even Selby… and he’s coming off the bench.

by AFM on Feb 3, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

I've been around plenty

Just trying to stir it up a bit. Beats trying to determine if Booker and Singleton are overrated or not on a Friday night. IMO.

by edubz on Feb 3, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Why? He is a bust for a #1 pick for sure...so far...that can and I hope it does change

They drafted a guy who can dribble fast and seems driven in some ways but not in others. And he cant shoot or run a half court offense very well.

I like JW but I am not blind to his deficiencies. If he were better, we would be better. I hope he improves. Still scratching my head on JV at #6.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Walls number one problem is his J

Number two is that he plays with absolute shit.
Three INCREDIBLY selfish players and a bunch of unpolished hustle guys
This is not an NBA team
crap coaches, crap players, crap front office
Just total crap

by spotless on Feb 4, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions  

spot on spotless

I am not sure why but i like whitman as coach for them. i am sure there are others that would fit too.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Great headline . . .

The 3-D, baseboards were pretty awesome. They actually had me fooled for about 5 seconds too — “is that really safe having those things under the basket? Oh, wait . . .” There was also a superfan sitting on the court who was entertaining to watch (e.g. McGee’s 3rd or 4th foul the guy jumped out of his seat, starts pointing in McGee’s direction, and then it looks like he’s shouting something at him; he also helped the ref collect the b-ball after an errant out-of-bounds pass). Needless to say those aspects of the game were more interesting to watch than the Wizards were during the even numbered quarters. The played good for some stretches in the first and 3rd, but they didn’t have the same intensity as some of the more recent games.

by Vegas010 on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

Also, yes we are way overvaluing our talent

Jan Vesely, I have no idea what this guy’s role is. What exactly does he do? Can’t shoot, can’t dribble, can’t rebound, can’t pass… how is he a basketball player? He can jump Maybe he should run track and field

by AFM on Feb 3, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

If you read the conversation above you will understand

He doesn’t nothing great but a bunch of things well and they really won’t show in a box score. He is just a bad fit currently. You stick him on a team that has scoring situated but needs a glue player, his strengths will be magnified and weaknesses limited.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 3, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I know--

He does the “little things” which is great. But from a number 6 pick?

by AFM on Feb 3, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

In a thin draft . . .

just being able to find a quality starter is a victory.

e.g. just look at the 2000 Draft. (a few good players, but no great ones, a lot of duds even right inside the lottery). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_NBA_Draft

The answer to the question: Which great player could we have had with the 6th slot? Is: None of the above.

The 2011 Draft is probably one of those drafts; although probably not that bad. The hope is that Vesely can develop into a quality starter and maybe make it into an All-Star game or two in another 5 to 6 years. Realistically though he will never be THE GUY. He will probably never be the #2 either on a really good team. Wall still has the possibility of being a cornerstone, the hope is that in the 2012 draft maybe we find another franchise player.

by Vegas010 on Feb 3, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions  

thin draft? there are a lot of good prospects that came out of this draft

and many of them were available at #6

You aren’t getting a superstar most years at #6.

But we could have gotten more than a glue guy. that is where the #15-30 players should get picked…like Singleton who is also a glue guy!

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

Biyombo was the player for us at #6. He will be good in three years…and WE NEED A CENTER (entire front court for that matter) in case you havent noticed

If you consider that risky, than Markief Morris was a solid pick at that slot that also filled a need. or Burks or Thompson to replace young who is leaving. Take your pick.

JV was a good pick at #18

by les boulez bomber on Feb 3, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Biyombo?

I dunno man. I’m not sure if I could get behind a guy who’s smaller than Trevor Booker to be the center of the future in 3 years. Vesely’s ceiling seems higher to me.

by nichobert on Feb 4, 2012 1:38 AM EST up reply actions  

smaller physically or in height? booker is 6’7ish. BB is 6’9ish. Booker is definitely beefier. BB will add bulk and learn the game better. He will be pretty good defensively in a few seasons.

I am not crazy about the pick but i felt he was the best front court prospect at #6. I liked other players better. and we really should have drafted the best center prospect when the draft is deep at the position, he was the last one left drafting in that top 6 range, we had a need…and we know JVM is due for a big, undeserved pay raise

instead, we drafted two SF/PF…neither can rebound well or shoot. their skill sets are interchangeable basically. brooks, harris, or farried would have all been better prospects …for us …if you loved JV (smh at #6)

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

well he can pass

although he rarely touches the ball, doesn’t seem to want to. not what you want from a sixth pick

by stevie on Feb 3, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver is a fun team to watch

No superstars, just a bunch of good players that fit and play well together and are well coached.

Forget the OKC model, that is the model we should mimic: Upgrade the organization internally and spend $60mm on 8-10 good players that complement each other and play hard and spend the final ten million to fill out the roster

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:08 AM EST reply actions  

probably not (very likely not even)

but they could go deep in the playoffs and after suffering for thirty plus effing years (sorry ted, you are late to the party and dont get the pass), there are a lot of season ticket holders that would be happy with a real good team that played well together and was fun to watch

ultimately, that is all i think ted will assemble any ways. if he really wanted to field a championship team, he would have cleaned house throughout the organization like it needs. Do you really think Prokhorov or Cuban would have took over and kept everyone except the high priced player contracts which were basically moved for cash and role players?

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I Get it

Swing for the fences though, you know
As a Raven fan, I can tell you, playoffs get old.
Want the hardware

by spotless on Feb 4, 2012 2:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You are following the wrong organization then

Deep down, I agree. But they are so bad at swinging for the fences. You cant swing for the fences with nearly every player on the roster. You have to pick your spots and also add players that can help the potential reach its potential

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a great attack on EG

He picked a lot of “high ceiling” players, over players who demonstrated success in college.
John Wall was less successful than Evan Turner. The same can be said of JaVale McGee,. Nick Young, Jan Vessely, and even Trevor Booker.

In contrast, Chicago put a great emphasis on college success. Selecting players like Noah, Deng, and Hinrich.

by GJennings on Feb 4, 2012 1:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

trading hinrich away was a BIG mistake- crawford n singleton dont compensate for the lack of development JW is experiencing,

JW is young and raw to start- very raw. asking him to figure out the nba on his own is nuts.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver isn't going to win a championship with that squad

They’re an easy team to root for, but we need to aim higher.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Feb 4, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

They're still good

outside Miami and OKC, and maybe whoever gets Dwight Howard, nobody else is going to win a championship for the next 5+ years. There’s not a move Denver can make to get better than those teams. At least they’re fun to watch and very competitive

by mrmadrew on Feb 4, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

they've lost in the 1st round 7 of 8yrs

agree 100% they are so much fun to watch and damn i wish we were anywhere near that level…but Karl’s style does not appear to be championship bball

by DCrez on Feb 4, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

OKC will not win until they get a lot tougher

blanket statement I know. But it is rare, extremely, extremely hard to win as a jump shooting team. They have to find a way to get easy buckets in the playoffs. They need a scorer down low. Even Kobe in his prime could not win without front court scoring. No one has that comes to mind.

The closer you are to the basket, the higher the percentage. It is a fact that will not change. I like OKC, but they arent going to win until that changes.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Denver's problem isn't talent

They have championship level talent. It’s a great team.

The problem for Denver is two-fold. First, the game slows down. Second, superstar calls. The Sacramento Kings were egregiously robbed by the Lakers because of “superstar calls” and a corrupt ref.

by GJennings on Feb 4, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Why would anyone forget the 'myth' of Vesely's bball iq?

When it’s readily apparent? He has games where he seems frozen, but he has other games where he comes out and sets a nice pick, gets a steal, a block, makes a pass better than half the guys on this roster are ever willing to make and an offensive board and then you look and realize he’s been in the game for 3 minutes. I’d really like to send Jan down to the D-League so that he can work on his shot and get consistent minutes. This draft was loaded with ‘projects’ and Vesely has flashed enough skills that I can’t get down on the kid quite yet. Does it help that there isn’t a non-PG drafted #7 through #12 lighting it up? Definitely.
I mean..just check out the Rookie PER rankings. After Kyrie Irving you have Gustavo Ayon, Jon Leur, Marshon Brooks, Nikola Vucevic, Lavoy Allen, Rubio, Enes Kanter, Tobias Harris, Isaiah Thomas, Kawhi Leonard, Kemba Walker, Alec Burks, Derrick Williams, Shelvin Mack, Chandler Parsons, Tristan Thompson, Greg Stiemsma, Josh Harrellson, Ivan Johnson.

by nichobert on Feb 4, 2012 1:31 AM EST reply actions  

Vesley's PER ranks #32- 2nd round material- he was drafted #6 by Ernie Grunfeld

From Truthaboutit.net post “Thinking Positive with Shevin Mack” Jan 25…

Thus far this NBA season, 34 rookies have played at least 100 total minutes. Mack’s PER (Player Efficiency Rating) stands at 15.1, which is slightly above the league average of 15. For a rook, however, this is better than average. His PER ranks eighth best amongst the list of 34 rookies (via Basketball-Reference.com). Here’s the top 10:

Kyrie Irving – 21.5
MarShon Brooks – 19.5
Nikola Vucevic – 18.1
Jon Leuer – 17.6
Ricky Rubio – 17.6
Enes Kanter – 16.9
Kemba Walker – 15.4
Shelvin Mack – 15.1
Tobias Harris – 14.9
Kawhi Leonard – 14.9
To note, Chris Singleton has a PER of 10.0 (ranked 26th) and Jan Vesely has a PER of 6.4 (ranked 32) — no reason to be down on Washington’s first rounders in comparison to their second rounder, however.

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 2:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Mack is better

He is or will be a better PG than Wall. The bullets need to try Mack at point and Wall at SG. Wall would be a better defender of the 2 guard and might even be more effective without the ball in his hand. Mack could set him up for drives to basket that he is not getting in half court sets. He could still bring it on fast breaks.

by laxdog on Feb 4, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I've been thinking the same thing-

let Mack set the tempo. JW is simply trying to maintain a tempo nobody can run with.

by DCPerspective on Feb 4, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

This team would shoot much better if they passed the ball

Their extremely poor shooting is a reflection of their selfish play more than anything else. There are times this season they rolled when they shared the ball. Everyone shoots better when they are not taking contested fade away jump shots far from the basket, which we do too much of

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

nah, they just cant shoot

Vesely was a 47%FT shooter in Europe, he simply cannot shoot. Singleton and Booker have long college careers to look at, they just cant shoot either. No amount of passing can change that, Ernie drafted a bunch of players who cant shoot.

by DCrez on Feb 4, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

you are right about those three and the general comment that ernie drafts players that cant shoot

but when this team really moves the ball and passes, they take much higher percentage shots and make them much more consistently than the contested jumpers they love to take

booker is a good example. he is efficient. he doesnt take many bad shots. which is why he is shooting 57% this season

I am saying that they dont play well and that really makes their not so great shooting look horrible

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 2:15 PM EST up reply actions  

as fans we make excuses for players that we like.

lord knows i do all the time. Please correct me if I am wrong, but Vesely has not hit a single jumpshot this season! Think about that! The guy we drafted to play SF with our LOTTERY pick and he cant score, shoot, dribble, or rebound. Ernie really has to go

by DCrez on Feb 4, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

the Wiz's big failure

Was to not be more aggressive in this offseason. I’d be interested to see where they’d be if they had managed to rope Afflalo, Humphries & Chuck Hayes in while Amnesthesizing Blatche & buying out Lewis. Pretty sure they’d still have money to go after a big FA after a year of playing with that core and seeing what they need. Yes, that would cost a lot of money, and yes Leonsis is a good businessman, but any owner that thinks of his team like an actual business is going to fail. It’s a luxury toy, and you need to upgrade it to impress trophy wives. It isn’t a corner bodega where you agonize about putting the Coke or Pepsi cooler closest to the door (no, i don’t really know where i’m going with that either)

by nichobert on Feb 4, 2012 1:35 AM EST reply actions  

and fwiw..

Singleton’s advanced stats are grading out worse than Jan’s so far but everyone seems plenty happy with him.

I think I’m just way more optimistic about the combination of players from the last 2 drafts than other people are. We’re still missing the 2 big pieces that will make the rest of them make sense but Wall, Booker, Crawford, Seraphin, Vesely, Singleton, Mack could be 7 good pieces to a rotation. Just gotta SPLURGE on the right #1 offensive option on the wing and a legit center who isn’t afraid to punch someone in the mouth and get punched back.

by nichobert on Feb 4, 2012 1:44 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

singleton has better shooting form. JV looks hopeless shooting for several years if he puts in the effort to even get there

and he is physically so weak for the four spot. I think it is 50/50 right now he will be back in Europe after this contract runs its course

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I still say Amar'e

He’s worth the 1st in me eye’s, he is the PF we have been lacking since C-Webb and Rasheed. He has a good work ethic, he has leadership intangibles, and most importantly he can put a team on his back with his offensive arsenal, and if McGee is the Center everybody thinks he is those two extremely go together.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:12 AM EST reply actions  

lol what?

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 4, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Don't knock before you try.

What is more funny, there some people that think Dray can still turn it around. Remember Amar’e is only struggling because New York got rid of both their PG’s Billups, Felton. He doesn’t have a PG to pick and pop with, also don’t forget he was just a MVP candidate last year.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I would have to disagree

For Mike their head coach didn’t even want to make that trade. Two everyone has said since Melo been there that offense has changed drastically. Also Amar’e was in New York when he was in the MVP discussion. New York is lacking a pass first PG ( Wall) which he had last year in Felton for the most part of the season BM (Before Melo), and I know Wall is way better than Felton.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Amare

But I feel bec of his age and injury history he is not the guy to spearhead a rebuild

by les boulez bomber on Feb 4, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Forget a rebuild

It is time to start acquiring some big contract players and salvage what we can of this season we cannot go into the offseason we this bad of a taste in our mouth, at one point we thought we were better off than Minnesota now it looks like we are years behind. I don’t think it would be good for Wall to watch the playoffs from the sidelines again, and feel like we are far from being ready to compete on that big of stage. Maybe we are putting to much stock in to a bad lost even in the Bullets case, but when you out rebound Orlando who has the best Center in the game, then get out rebounded and scortchedin the paint by the Raptors who best low post player was injured by the way, we simply cannot go backwards like that.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 1:19 PM EST up reply actions  

How is that ?

All I am saying is makes some moves so when we do gointo the offseason we don’t feel like we are at sq1 in the rebuild which we clearly look. I am not saying go and get every high price Vet you can, but make some moves that make since like go out and get some men with pride in the post. Honestly the only thing on draft day I am looking forward to is wheeling and dealing not a nother Lottery pick full of potential. So I guess using a Redskins analogy this draft will be all about offense, since the last draft was about defense. I guess we are going to get our Andrew Luck or RG3 in this draft.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Typo

not another lottery pick

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL

what if and that if is more like a probably, Amare gets hurt.

And why give up a young lottery pick in a deep draft to pay Amare $80 million.

Not knocking it, but its NOT a good move.

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by CharGrayJ on Feb 5, 2012 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Look at it this way

We would look more like the end of last year when Dray was “Healthy”, but on a more consistent basis, with a go to guy which in return would open things up for Wall and Nick because Amar’e can hit that 17 ft jumper on consistently and drive to the basket better than Dray. Think how effective that three guard lineup would be offensively Wall, Crawford, Young, Stoudemire, McGee, and another thing Amar’e can space the floor better at the 5 then Dray. All I know is that New York is not going anywhere the way they are currently constructed, so why not make a pitch and show Wall you are committed to winning which in a couple years you will have to prove to him might I remind you.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 2:51 AM EST reply actions  

we are a team of first and second year players

the bigger question is how many of these guys will be in the NBA after their current NBA contracts?

by thewiz06 on Feb 4, 2012 7:51 AM EST up reply actions  

You are absolutely right

They also made our 4th yr Center look like a rookie 68 pts in the paint really when their best low post player was injured “c’mon mane”.

by p.robb87 on Feb 4, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Wiz per thenbageek

Seraphin & Booker need more minutes. A front line of McGee, Seraphin, Booker getting the minutes at 1&2 is actually pretty good. Opinions differ on whether Vesely should play 3, but why not, we don’t have a better option really. Let him shoot. Wall & Mack at PG is adequate and has room to turn around.

The real problem is shooting guard – Mason, Nick, Crawford and Mo can never see the floor again. Just find an average shooting guard, that alone will be huge.

http://www.thenbageek.com/teams/was

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 4, 2012 9:00 AM EST reply actions  

Let Mack get the SG minutes

And have Mack and JW in the backcourt (as suggested above). Mack is a huge improvement over the current options at SG. It makes no sense to have Mack on the bench while JC is disgracing the game of basketball.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 4, 2012 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

he has played better the last few games...with less selfishness

much less than Nick…

Nick seems to have either 1…gone into contract mode…or has taken it on his shoulders to be the primary scorer (but forcing the issue)

by DavidDunn on Feb 4, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Who has a better shot, Mack or JC?

Mack was a big scorer in college and played the SG position.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 4, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

same with crawford....

not sure who has a better shot honestly…they both seem to be about the same from longer ranges…

by DavidDunn on Feb 4, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Crawford

Mack needs space and time to get his shot off. Crawford gets up and lets it go. He doesn’t waste time.

by hambonejackson on Feb 4, 2012 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So put Mack in then

You’ve got nothing to lose. Play Mack at PG and Wall at SG sometimes.

Good, now I’ve solved the Wiz’s problems. All done.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 4, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

"Something needs to change"

Unless you really believe that the Wizards are a talented team (amazingly, a few here seem to believe that and think that all that’s needed is a better attitude and coaching), the obvious answer is that we need better players. We do have some talent, of course, but then so does every team. What we don’t have is enough talent, particularly interior defenders and shooters. And the fault for that lies squarely with the man who assembled our talent Ernie Grunfeld. The only tough interior defenders on our roster are Booker and the questionably talented Seraphin. The only player with any elite shooting ability is Young. Ernie will have had nearly three seasons to put together a roster after Gun-gate and there are still gaping holes in the roster.

The question Ted has to answer before this year’s draft is does he believe that Ernie’s the right man to select our third lottery pick in three years. If Ted believes that, thanks to Ernie’s efforts, we’re well on the road to success, then he should reward Ernie with a contract extension and let him have at it. If, however, Ted questions whether Ernie has assembled the correct building blocks to move us ahead, then he should replace Ernie with another GM who has a different philosophy on how to rebuild and no vested interest in protecting any of Ernie’s assembled assets. My own view is that Ernie has done, at best, a mediocre job of rebuilding (to my mind, the Blatche extension and the decision to draft Vesely over Markieff Morris or Kawhi Leonard were blunders; however, the Booker, Singleton and Mack drafts picks were solid). Ted may see it differently.

by Koperro on Feb 4, 2012 10:52 AM EST reply actions  

That's it for the coaching change bump.

I apprecitate Wittman tinkering with the 5-man units, but wish he would ditch those small ball lineups with a PG, Crawford, Young, Lewis, and a big, They can’t rebound and Lewis is a terrible help defender.

by djnnnou on Feb 4, 2012 11:52 AM EST reply actions  

Mack and Wall

playing some minutes together is an intriguing idea. Especially when they are playing a shooting guard like Ray Allen who comes off a lot of screens. Right now I think Wall plays SGs better. His on ball D at the top of the key and ability to play the pick and rolls is just terrible. Take him off the PG and let him chase the SG and use his length.

Mack can guard the PG, provide some spot up 3pt shooting, and help keep the half court offense moving.

I’d like to see some small ball with Wall, Mack, Young, Booker, McGee.

by edubz on Feb 4, 2012 12:33 PM EST reply actions  

The best way to maximize the players on the team is to get them to be the least they can be. Its when they try to do something they become inefficient. I think they should stand in one spot the whole game. The results will be the same and they won’t look so bad losing. That said, today is W day.

by hambonejackson on Feb 4, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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