NBA Trade Rumors: Wizards, Bobcats Discussing Andray Blatche For Tyrus Thomas Swap, Report Says
From the very-plugged-in Marc Stein at ESPN:
Sources close to the situation say that the Wizards had been trying to engage Charlotte on a Blatche-for-Tyrus Thomas swap.
The Wizards would naturally prefer Boris Diaw and his expiring contract -- with the bonus of knowing that Diaw's passing eye could only give the wild Wiz a much-needed boost to their basketball IQ -- but the ever-thrifty Bobcats aren't about to take on the remaining three years (worth nearly $23 million) on Blatche's contract if Thomas' similarly hefty deal isn't headed the other way.
Thomas signed a five-year, $40 million deal the same summer Blatche got his new contract. Following this year, he'll have three years and just over $26 million left on his deal. Basically, he's slightly more expensive than Blatche.
Is Thomas worth acquiring? It's an interesting question. Most know him as the 2006 draft-day disappointment that the Bulls acquired for budding superstar LaMarcus Aldridge, but prior to this year, Thomas had actually started to develop. He had his best year as a pro last season, putting 10 points and 5.5 rebounds per game in 21 minutes to go along with an 18.2 PER, a 53.6% TS% and good defense. Problem is, he's regressed big-time this year. His per-game averages have sunk to 7.4 points and 5 rebounds, and his PER is way down at 10.3. All this is despite playing six more minutes per game because the Bobcats stink. Essentially, we're talking about two teams looking to deal away talented, but inconsistent players.
I think there's some reason to believe that Thomas' struggles this year are a bit flukey given the sample. However, I also think the Wizards have to ask themselves if doing this is better than just waiting until the summer and using the one-time amnesty clause on Blatche. The clause can only be used on players who were under contract with their respective teams during the old CBA, so they wouldn't be able to acquire Thomas, figure out if he'll turn it around and use the clause on him if he doesn't. Otherwise, it's down to Blatche and ... well ... nobody, really, because Rashard Lewis can be bought out for $10 million of his $23 million salary next year.
Is acquiring Thomas better than losing the ability to use the amnesty clause? That's the question we all should be asking.
(HT to Jake for getting this up first).
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if I say fire Flip,
I have to say fire dray. I would do this. Tyrus can hit a j and run the floor.
Vinny & Zorn....Boudreau....Riggleman....Flip....Addition By Subtraction.
by FireFLIP on Feb 3, 2012 5:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Oh, Ernie
A dumb deal for a few reasons. First and foremost, the point Mike makes about amnesty. Second, how many tweener forwards is Grunfeld going to acquire? Is he going for the record? Third, at least Blatche can play center.
Yeah, he's proven he's not a SF
But by the same token, he really doesn’t have PF skills either. So if “tweener” means he doesn’t have a real position, that’s true. But it’s more that he’s too skinny to be a real PF and he doesn’t have any of the skills (handle, shot, quicks… anything really) to be a SF.
I don't know about that
He’s not a banger, but he is a really good shot blocker. I think he is more a PF than Andray Blatche is….
by ThePGPhenomenon on Feb 3, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Is Thomas willing to play in the paint??
Can’t help but feel like this is a double negative. However, both may thrive given their new surroundings. I would consider it a wash.
I'd rather just use the amnesty
Unless we can get a piece for the future (odds are slim to nil) We have no point in taking on another teams problem when we can just erase ours.
yes please
I would trade blatche for a Burger
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 3, 2012 5:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A $100 gift card to Fuddruckers for all of use at BF please, and we'll be pleased
by thewiz06 on Feb 3, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i second this
We deserve something for putting up with his shananagans for these past few years
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Could open the door
In trading McGee and getting a more traditional center that can stand their ground against the stronger NBA centers? Not that I necessarily want JaVale shipped out but could be a vital yet profitable move in changing the culture here.
Ha Ha!
Called This 2 Weeks Ago .. … … .. http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/1/27/2751794/the-solution-to-getting-andray-blatche-outta-here
At best I feel like this is a wash
I say a wash because we’d be slightly overpaying an inconsistent player that we can’t amnesty, although in theory TT is a better fit for what we “want” to be. But still, he’s not a real PF because he’s too skinny, and he sure isn’t a SF, and he doesn’t mesh well next to Javale.
The question, like Mike said, is would you rather TT or the cap space? Honestly, I’d rather the cap space, or at minimum, a trade where we pick up a real asset like a draft pick. But we aren’t going to get a “good” trade for Andray, so I’d really rather just amnesty him in the offseason.
And the other thing:
If MJ thought it was a good idea to acquire a player to begin with (TT), he probably sucks. Big time.
by jakenbake on Feb 3, 2012 5:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The right way to look at this is
If Blatche was not on the roster, would the Wizards use cap space to sign Thomas to a 3 year deal worth $26 million? That is the effect of this deal.
DO IT AND DO IT QUICKLY
Potential a dumb move bc TT is very inconsistent. But so is the hamburgler and for almost the same amount of money do it. This would be a crucial step to the rebuild..save the clause and buy lewis out next year,if we had a smart gm lewis wouldnt had got a new wiz uni
by wizkid4life on Feb 3, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just a matter of time
until someone suggests amnestying someone on a rookie deal…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sure there is: Rashard Lewis
Lewis can be bought out and cost $10M against the cap, or he can be amnestied and cost nothing against the cap.
why would you amnesty rashard?
we most likely won’t need that 10m that would count against our cap next year if we bought him out. No way ted would sign off on that.
by FTT on Feb 3, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
i say just use the amnesty
tyrus isnt going to be in our long term plans….i’d rather develop book or ves instead of being saddled with his terrible contract
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
Are we sure this is true
After all this is ESPN. They have been making all types of rumors that aren’t true.
But on the flip side of this, why would the Bobcats make this trade? What would they gain?
nah
I’d rather amnesty Dray and create cap space. Then we’d have some space, JVM as a resign or S+T, plus 2 valuable 2012 picks… all the tools for a reboot.
When I think cap space it’s more about a smaller FA and the capacity to take on salary in a trade. I’m even coming around to Rudy Gay at this point.
by Jheiser3 on Feb 3, 2012 5:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Gay's really improved as an all-around player since signing the max
by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Contract or?
In my eyes he’s been a different player since his last experience with USA basketball. And I really hate to credit dookies, so I won’t. Good job Boeheim/McMillan! His defense was the first change I noticed. Its like they got through to him that he can be an all-world player on both ends. He was blistering last season but has come down a bit without Randolph to help carry the load this season. He turns 26 this August.
Gay is owed 53.65 Million over the next 4 seasons. I would try to trade Rashard, 3M straight cash homie, and a piece Memphis wants for Gay and change. Memphis would get out from under that salary commitment for 7 Million, 10M from Shard’s buyout minus 3M from the Wizards.
The Wizards add a big contract but get the (young) primary scoring option this team desperately needs.
Just so there is no confusion
MP you wrote this:
The clause can only be used on players who signed deals with their respective teams during the old CBA
I am pretty sure you meant players acquired under the old CBA trade/FA/Re-sign because otherwise how did Orlando shuck Gilbert
Yeah, let me clarify that
It’s for players on your team under a contract that was signed under the old CBA. You didn’t have to sign it necessarily.
Normally I would say do it but
makes more sense to just wait and amnesty him. And plus tyrus Thomas is just a shorter McGee
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Feb 3, 2012 5:38 PM EST via mobile reply actions
if they do this, they amnesty lewis after the season, no?
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Feb 3, 2012 5:42 PM EST reply actions
They could but they wouldn't save all that much
His deal is partially guaranteed for $10 million/23 million if they buy him out
ok - thanks
i think i’d rather amnesty dray.
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Feb 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
I believe, Mike, that amnestying Lewis would cost Ted $13 million in cash
but save $10 million on the cap. Correct?
Who Darius songaila?
….sike I loved him
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Feb 3, 2012 5:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
terrible trade because it accomplishes nothing positive
is tyrus going to have an high impact on this team? No.
so what’s the point? It’s a wash at best like others have said.
by FTT on Feb 3, 2012 5:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In a flippin' heartbeat
Is there a button I can push?
Ted isn't going to pay $10m to Shard and $21 to Dray and $8m to Flip
To do nothing. He’d rather get an average NBA player (ie TT) in exchange for those Dray dollars. Tyrus is better than some free agent plus Dray’s old salary.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 3, 2012 5:57 PM EST reply actions
This is a great point
It would be terrible cap strategy if they did it this way, but you nailed the motivations for doing it.
There's a good chance Lewis stays
After the guaranteed $10 million his salary is probably structured around a bunch of benchmarks of which the top ones he won’t be able to meet.
anything to not do an amnesty
Ted really really doesn’t want an amnesty. He didn’t get rich by handing out $10mm checks.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 3, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
That might be true
But its bullshit if that’s how it turns out.
We as fans are sitting here, taking one for the team, being patient through the rebuild. Spending money to buy tickets to watch a miserable product. He needs to take some losses for the team too. The same way we are. It will get old real quick if I keep getting the vibe Ted is being a businessman first.
You can’t preach patience and then prolong the rebuild to save a few bucks short-term.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 3, 2012 11:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
This looks like a desperate attempt by Ernie to save his job.
It’s much easier to sell Thomas than amnesty. We just have to hope Ted isn’t going to agree. NBA owners get the GMs they deserve.
A few months ago, I would probably have said yes...
But Thomas has regressed about as much as Blatche.
Why should the Wiz put themselves on the hook for three years and $22 million or so for the 10% chance that Thomas will find the thread he has misplaced at least four times to date, when they can amnesty Blatche before next season, and invest the money in someone better.
Good question
Because Ted doesn’t want to pay for a big amnesty and Blatche is a bad fit for this team?
Blatche & Wall shared the leadership spotlight coming into the season and it’s now fairly clear the team will be better off with Blatche elsewhere (and I generally like the guy).
by Johnnie Futbol on Feb 3, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
now one question i have
Is he a good looker room presence or does he start problems (more than fat ass) because if so then its a ify trade that probably wont help is much but if not then atleast we know we are getting rid of our cancerous player for someone who has good character
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 3, 2012 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions
cancerous in the locker room
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 3, 2012 6:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
who's going to host the night of distinction
This would be a big loss to DC’s nightlife.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 3, 2012 6:29 PM EST up reply actions
shit
I hadent thought of that…. cancle the trade talks NOW ERNIE for the sake of DC
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 3, 2012 7:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can someone please answer...
Why would the Bobcats do this? Dray is horrible and they’d save just a little money. So can someone please explain why the Bobcats would do this?
by FNFWizardsFan on Feb 3, 2012 6:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
This is just a dumb move if it goes down.
Amnesty Blatche. Buyout Lewis.
There, you have the money to sign McGee and at least one other premier free agent, maybe two depending on how things shake out.
No way ernie goes for it.
Geting it done.
does he have
A) Bball IQ
B) a jumpshot
C) the willingness to come off the bench behind next seasons draft pick?
by BballBrit on Feb 3, 2012 6:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Iamgine Bobcat fans.....
they have to be going……wtf?!?!?!
Not the best move.
I’m not a Blatche supporter, but I don’t think he’s a bad as he’s shown the last year and a half. Injuries probably have a lot to do with that. He’s not a starter on a good team, but when healthy he could provide offense off the bench.
I don’t see Thomas as a fit, so I’d lean to holding on to Blatche until his value recovers or using the amnesty worse case.
by Espresso on Feb 3, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do it
Thomas is a better defender and hustler than bluffet…..also he might look better offensively on a faster pace team
Blatche for Diaw
Couldn’t the Wiz trade for Diaw by agreeing to pay a certain amount of money owed to Blatche to make the trade work??
I wouldn't .
Blatche may have issues off the court but he is definitely the more skilled player in this deal.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 3, 2012 8:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would rather trade for Beasley honestly.
He has been tearing it up.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 3, 2012 8:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Or include a 2nd rounder for Diaw
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Feb 3, 2012 8:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
These type of trades make me want to fire Ernie
He’s literally just shuffling the chairs on the Titanic. Is Thomas better than Blatche? Yes. Is he significantly better? No. If you had Thomas on this team, would it make the playoffs? No. Is Thomas on a great contract? No. Then why make the move? I have no idea.
The Wizards interests would be better served simply letting AB play out his contract , maybe moving it in the last year when it has some value. 8 million isn’t particularly onerous for the Wizards cap, given how many players are on rookie contracts.
Save the amnesty powder for BYOD/IF we resign McGee. (Because man, oh, man, if he doesn’t develop and we give him $11 million for 4 -5 years without a team option, we’d screwd and Wall should run out of here).
Can't use the amnesty on a McGee extension
Because the contract itself has to come from the old CBA.
Should have finished the thought
You need to be able to trade McGee for any even more onerous contract and get rid of that. The point was there would at least be options if we “miss” and resign McGee to a contract he doesn’t play up to.
I have a question
Why can’t we just stash Dray on the bench until he starts to work harder, and keep him as a bench player? I understand he’s a cancer, but only because the team has enabled him to be that way and made him a starter when he didn’t deserve it, and overpaid him. If we’re going to be patient and do this right, just let his ass sit on the bench until he commits himself to winning. If he would get in shape, he would be worth the money.
here here
I think thats part of what is happening right now. Blatche is rehabbing and that better include cardio maintenance, strength building etc. Thats just good asset management.
Meanwhile, Wittman et al get to establish an identity without Dray. So when he comes back things are different, and he can acclimate to coming off the bench.
I am all for it
Man I think we overrate our players too much, I mean really what has Dray done to expect he will change and if you ask me Dray can keep his talents because if he was really committed to canvassing his talents into something great he would have done it by now. From what I know about Thomas he does get hurt a lot and I mean a lot. But if he can be anything like his Chicago days we definitely get the upper hand, plus I really liked his mid-range game against us, that and the fact he hustles. My one question is how long can we hold on to our amnesty clause, because honestly amnestying Blatche seems like a waste to me with that kind of contract, when you think about it there have been two teams already that seemed to be willing to take on Dray’s contract( Warriors, Bobcats).
Bobcats
Bobcats would do it because they need someone with the ability to score in the paint. While Blatche seems awful, he’d immediately be their biggest offensive weapon in the frontcourt. And while Blatche doesn’t maddeningly doesn’t play to his own strengths, his situation is dysfunctional enough that a team could be willing to give up a comprable head case/bad contract combination like Tyrus Thomas with the hopes that they could salvage his career. Peak Performance Andray Blatche suits their needs more than Peak Performance Tyrus Thomas does.
I can’t see the Bobcats even considering trading Diaw’s expiring contract for Blatche. Even with a 2nd rounder thrown in. The Bobcats are in the same boat as us. They have a head-case with a too-long contract and they’re willing to entertain any offer if it can remove the financial strain of a player that doesn’t fit with what they want to do. While Blatche is a slightly better fit, this would presumably be more about getting rid of Tyrus Thomas for them. They want to free up room to make a run at free agents and adding Blatche’s albatross contract to Thomas’s as well as another year of $10 million for Maggette isn’t going to help them out.
Well jokes on them
If they think Blatche is going to ever change, but then again that’s what he might need a hometown crowd and his mother to get behind him or is that ATL where he’s from. I say make the deal easily because Thomas would be a slight up grade over Blatche in my eyes and I don’t want to hear about stats because if his stats dictated our record we would not only have 4 wins on the season. I think we have seen the best if Dray in the District and that fizzled out after a month or two after we traded Jamison. I say get rid of him and if Thomas becomes a headache sit’em with no emotional attachment, but honestly I don’t think it would come to that, also wasn’t Thomas starting the season the Bobcats made their first franchise appearance in the playoffs.
I am not saying Thomas will take us to the playoffs I just think if he can be a bit of fresh air he might be easier to move than Blatche down the road. Again I don’t know how long we can hold on to our amnesty clause I just feel that would be a waste to use it on Andray’s contract.
Some Blatche trade ideas..
Doubt T-Wolves would trade Beasely and have Blatche’s contract on the books for an extra 2 years.
To the Kings for ’Cisco Garcia or John Salmons (Seriously hideous contract through 2014/2015 for a guy who is already 32)
To the Suns for Josh Childress & Hakim Warrick
To the Lakers with Shelvin Mack for Luke Walton & Steve Blake (not saying i’d do this, just a combination the Lakers could possibly want)
Warriors for Andris Biedrins (9 million player option 2013/2014)
Pistons for Charlie Villanueva (8.5 mil player option, 2013/2014)
Dallas for Brendan Haywood (Ha! Probably the first one of these a team would jump at, amazingly)
One thing is apparent..This ain’t your slightly older brother’s NBA. The amnesty clause and father time have combined to wipe out a lot of the crappy contracts that teams would move for Andray Blatche’s crappy contract.
NO to all. Blatche is UNTRADEABLE
No one wants him. He was on the market last year and no one wanted him then after the night club fight.
by jmpalomo on Feb 4, 2012 6:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Play Andray at the backup Center position
10-15 minutes a game.
His value would go up because he would be forced to play in the paint where I think he is most effective.
by jmpalomo on Feb 4, 2012 6:28 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Better trade bait
Is the only reason to possibly justify a deal. Tyrus isn’t a joke on the level of Dray and can possibly be included in a future deal. That said, we’re better off just using the amnesty on Dray.
Motivational tactic?
Float his name out there, going to a crappy city. Might push him to work harder if he thinks he’ll get sent to a bad team that also has a lousy club scene. Where else can we pretend to ship him off to?

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