John Wall, The 'Footballization' Of The NBA And The Wizards' Problem
Let's not sugarcoat this: John Wall has not had a great season. Most figured he'd take a leap from a good-for-a-20-year-old rookie season that saw him miss lots of time due to injury. Instead, he's taken a step back in pretty much every way offensively. He's shooting 23 percent from the field on shots that aren't at the rim. His assists are down and his turnovers are up. His advanced shooting numbers, which were pretty poor last year, are even worse this year. It's not wrong to say that Wall has been bad this year.
That, of course, has led to all sorts of reactions from people around here. There's something to every possible data point on the wide spectrum of opinions on what to make of Wall's issues. In many ways, I think the level of disappointment stems from the weight of expectations placed on him by the team and by his draft position. He's far rawer than we realize.
But that doesn't mean I have concerns. Specifically, I'm worried that the environment to foster Wall's improvement is not there. It all speaks to what I call the "footballization" of basketball and its point guards.
We all know that the NFL is currently in the middle of an offense-first era. Great quarterbacks and great offenses win in this league. We're moving away from rigid plays called by the coordinators and moving into an era of reading and reacting, all facilitated by the quarterback. But for all the credit that quarterbacks are taking, there's a symbiotic relationship that must develop between the QB and the rest of his offense. Eli Manning makes Victor Cruz better by delivering great back-shoulder catches, and Cruz makes Manning better by running any route he needs. Tom Brady makes Rob Gronkowski better by zipping the ball into him in traffic, and Gronkowski makes Brady better by catching literally anything thrown in his direction. You need both elements to be successful, because only then can each element lift up the other.
It's a similar story to what's happening in the NBA. Equal-opportunity systems are becoming a thing of the past. Now, point guards are increasingly given the ball and asked to read what's happening. It's great power for a point guard, but it comes with great responsibility. Like a quarterback, the point guard must store more information in his head than anyone else on his team. The best ones certainly do that well. But because that's such a burden, they also need teammates that can help play to their strengths. They are the straw that stirs the drink, but that straw needs a drink to stir.
I think that's what Wall was getting at when he said this after the Bulls game:
"It's not hard when you got guys like Kyle Korver that can make shots and you can run him off down screens, and you got a guy like Carlos Boozer that can pick and pop. When Luol Deng's in, you have a guy who you can run plays for, make shots and create his own shots. It's kind of easy."
He's not scoffing at Derrick Rose's talent, nor is he saying that he needs superstars around him to succeed. What he's saying is that the rest of the Bulls players have certain skills that Rose is easily able to amplify. Korver is one of the league's best spot-up shooters. Boozer is a great pick-and-pop big man. Joakim Noah is a great screener and fantastic passer for his position that can bail the Bulls out when Rose is trapped. Luol Deng and Rip Hamilton are two of the best in the league at catching and shooting while coming off screens. The Bulls' players aren't superstars, but they have strengths and play to them. Rose is a superstar, in part because of his talent and drive, but also in part because he knows the strengths of his teammates that he must amplify.
A similar situation is playing out in Cleveland. To say Kyrie Irving is better than Wall is not to put down Wall. Irving is that good. But he also has a set of teammates that play to their strengths, even if they aren't supremely talented. Anthony Parker and Omri Casspi mostly are spot-up shooters that don't step out of line. Antawn Jamison moves like a madman and doesn't dominate the ball. Anderson Varejao is an elite screen-setter, offensive rebounder and passer for his position, and he too never stops moving. Their skills, combined with their acceptance of said skills, make it easy for Irving to dominate the ball, and in turn allow him to better understand how to lift his teammates' skills. They provide a clear drink flavor, and he stirs it.
Can we say the same thing about the Wizards? Do they have players that know their role and accept them? Is Nick Young a spot-up shooter or a primary scorer? Is Rashard Lewis a spot-up shooter, or is he the small forward he once was in Seattle? Is JaVale McGee playing an Anderson Varejao kind of role, or is he a post-up player? Do Chris Singleton and Jan Vesely have the necessary skills to back up the roles they seem cool with playing? Or, all they all young players trying to find themselves at the same time that Wall is trying to find himself?
I worry it's the latter, and I worry that just makes everyone worse. Without a drink to stir, Wall is struggling. If the NBA is footballizing, Wall is like that quarterback forced to deal with a leaky offensive line and no playmakers. The uncertainty of the roles of Wall's supporting cast is making Wall uncertain, and that makes nobody better.
None of this is to excuse Wall's own shortcomings, but everything is related. For Wall to be better at making others better, the Wizards, through better coaching, roster construction and player acceptance of roles, have to become better at making life easier for Wall.
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The footballization is a scary problem for the Wizards
attempting an OKC style rebuild, considering the problem in this light makes the Seattle suggestion you made a few weeks back all the more pertinent…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 11:36 AM EST reply actions
Heh, at least EG will bring Jeff Green on board
then our problems will be over
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions
I actually don't think it's impossible to do an OKC-style rebuild given this
You just need to find the right young players and channel them into the roles you want them to fill.
by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In your opinion
would that make it all the more essential to replace Ernie ASAP, or look for some sort of understanding of the team’s difficulties due to roster construction from him and hope for the best?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions
Well sure
but with his roster construction thus far do we just say screw it and lobby for new blood?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
we probably need a new GM who will look at this roster/coach with no pre-conceived loylaties or skin in the game.
a GM who could decide on Javale without the influence of having drafted and developed him, a GM who could trade Jan or Vesely or Booker tomorrow without worrying about how it would make his draft record look, etc etc. That would probably bring about the total housecleaning and change that will not happen otherwise.
Which is not say the roster needs to be blown up, just that with EG in charge it wont be scrapped even if it needs to be.
This is a GREAT non-answer
And I say that not to be snarky, but to properly recognize the game you’re throwing. Well played.
Wall will be fine
He started off horribly in his first 10 but after that he has played well mostly.
But personally, in my opinion, I’m not that surprised that he has struggled a but. The main reason I say this is because Ernie didn’t put players around him who would hide his weaknesses like mid range shooting and half court offense in these past 2 drafts. He drafted mostly hustle guys who have ceilings as good glue guys like Booker, Seraphin, Singleton, and Vesely.
I just think Ernie had tried to surround Wall with guys who would stretch the floor and can consistently execute in a half court set then Wall would have success as the pass first PG that he is. If Ernie drafted guys like Kawhi Leonard and Marshon Brooks who rebound well for their position and can play in the half court, then I think Wall would be in a much better position.
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by everybodylookin on Feb 3, 2012 11:45 AM EST reply actions
sorry for the errors in this
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by everybodylookin on Feb 3, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions
He hasnt made the meteoric rise that some of us expected
but, I see his top 5 PG potential, and i def dont worry abt his assist numbers, he gets our guys open looks, they just arent converting at even a competent rate
I thought he was gonna average 18/8/5 this year on 44% shooting
But I think he has the potential to be top 3 at his position, after polishing his game and putting players who complement his strengths and weaknesses around him.
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by everybodylookin on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
in today's nba, is the the 5th best PG a franchise player?
Or would it mean we still need to acquire a player better than Wall and have that guy be The Man?
Considering where the game is going...
the changes in the rules…
and the massive amount of talent at the PG position in the NBA now…
5th best Point Guard in the NBA would definitely be a Franchise player… and probably one of the top 10-15 players in the League (read: true Super Star)…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'd say there is a clear top 4
With Rose, Paul, DWill, and Westbrook. But after that its just a bunch of all-star calibers not superstars.
that's about where I am
so I think John has to crack top3 or we’ll still need a player better than him.
But Mike's point is still valid...
Without shooters and low post scoring in New Jersey, Deron Williams looks pedestrian…. When was D-Will NOT one of the top two assist leaders?
He’s only averaging 8.5 assists a game… and his turn overs are way up (4.5)…while his shooting percentages are the lowest of his career – BY A LONG SHOT…
Right now, he’s NOT a top 5 PG… but is it because he sucks? or is it because his teammates suck?
I think it’s the latter – and that’s why I’m encouraged and hopeful about John Wall… Get him better players, and he’ll be great.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Rondo is a franchise player
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by everybodylookin on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
I think any franchise guy still needs help
Deron’s got even less than Wall right now.
by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the Nets thought so...and so are many others
looking to make a FA splash…
but it also depends on the definition of Franchise guy…I am assuming you can have two…and I am assuming Dallas may have three with Dirk, Deron, Dwight….3D Dallas
by DavidDunn on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Are you getting at Russell Westbrook?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions
anybody you deem 5th best, I would have thought Westbrook is higher than 5th
basically I am trying to get Rook to say Rubio is the 5th best PG and a true franchise player ;-)
Not yet...
I’d rate them:
Derrick Rose
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Rajon Rondo
Deron Williams (despite his troubles in NJ – talent wise, he’s top 5)
Nash (Still one of the best)
Then second tier:
Calderon
Kyle Lowry
Tony Parker
Rubio
Kyrie Irving
Mike Conley
John Wall
Who would I want on my team to build around?
Derrick Rose
John Wall
Ricky Rubio
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
i'm surprised you would have Rubio but not Rondo on the list.
and also that Kyrie Irving doesnt make the cut
or cp3?
if the idea of who you want to build around means you dont need a player better than him (but it never hurts) rondo would not be good choice. Rondo isnt a take over the game type offensive player. he cant bail out bad team mates with his own offensive ability like a steve nash can. You would need someone better offensively than rondo to pair with rondo. Cp3 and nash should be on the list because they are two players who can make bad players look good and likewise take over broken plays with their own shot selection or offense
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tough to say, Rondo's defense is so good and he has equal passing ability to Nash.
i mean if Rondo was my PG, I would feel very confident going into a 7 game series vs a Nash led team.
but as the league tries to get more and more offensive oriented, it does lessen the impact of the great defenders i guess
just because he averaged more assists for half a season
doesnt mean rondo has equal passing ability. also nash will step it up in the 4th while rondo will be scared of getting fouled
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
he's averaging the same assts as Nash now and scoring the same as well.
If you value defense at all, it’s easy to make the case Rondo impacts a game just as much as Nash does.
Rondo gets to pass to future hall of famers in
Allen, Pierce and Garnett. Nash gets to pass to who? Jared Dudley? Grant Hill? Marcin Gortat?
i think the problem is
the pg spot defense, while not totally negligible, isnt as important as defense from your bigs. Case in point, guys like wall and rose are impossible to stop for 48 minutes. A guy like rondo might be able to stop them on several plays or be good enough to provide help defense when they get beat, but really it comes down to the bigs and the help defense to accurately protect the paint.
On the other hand, put steve nash on the current orlando magic, and it doesnt matter how bad nash is at defense, he will almost always generate more offense from the team (including himself) than his counter part because he has a terrific big providing help defense.
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that's the rule changes in effect, The Glove could no longer be The Glove
How do you think Rondo would fare with Orlando? IMO he would be terrific, constantly getting the ball to Dwight for ez dunks and hitting their sharpshooters for open 3s while of course playing champion level defense. I think he’d do just as well as Nash if not better.
Where Nash has the edge I think is in a situation where the PG is oft required to do some primary scoring. Nash’s ability to shoot the ball and be a #1 option when necessary is something Rondo just cant do.
Well, there's also this
While it’s harder to be a great man defender, it’s also easier to be a disruptive team defender helping off one’s man.
rondos obviously a much better defender
but nash is just as much better on offense—probably more so in fact. going into statistics here would be silly.
also, its worth noting that pierce is clearly still the most important player on bostons roster. it says something that boston has tried to shop rajondo multiple times even though hes their only future building block while phoenix has steadfastly refused to trade nasty nash.
and while im on a role here i might as well say: if you value intangibles at all its easy to make the case that this shouldnt even be up for debate
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 2:34 PM EST up reply actions
Nash was traded, doesnt mean much Rondo is shopped.
and imo intangibles are pretty irrelevant when discussing players this good. Nash is a multiple MVP winner, Rondo has played huge and clutch deep in the playoffs and all the way to the Championship.
might not mean much but it does mean something
as for intangibles, i think they meant something when dirk beat lebron last june
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
i didnt realize they played a game of 1-on-1
but if that’s what intangibles come down to, Rondo has a ring off a postseason where he had what was it 4 triple-doubles as well as some nba record breaking assist/0TO games or something like that? Nash has never been in the Finals.
Rondo over Nash
A team with Rondo has a much higher ceiling. You can build a team that is elite at both ends of the floor.
In some ways, Nash’s scoring ability is actually a negative. Replace Wall with Rondo on the Wiz, and you end up with a team picking in the top five. Replace Wall with Nash instead, and you’re picking in the mid lottery. You’ll get a few more wins with Nash early in your rebuild, but you’ll end up with less talent for your playoff runs later on.
im not sure i follow this logic
as i said above, i think its far easier to assemble a team of good defenders (guys who rebound, rotate, hustle) as opposed to build a team of good offensive players (guys who move without the ball, put themselves in positions to score) at the nba level.
The former is often found in late 1st rounds and second rounds as niche players. The latter usually end up being high 1st round picks.
Rondo needs to be surrounded by the latter, nash needs to be surrounded by the former.
You could put nash on any team and he will automatically attract defensive attention and make his players around him better. You put rondo on any team and he can help make some of the players around him better, but he wont attract much defensive attention especially late in the game.
You cant just insert rondo onto a team that doesnt have any other great defenders and expect that team to suddenly become championship level, especially if you believe that defense wins championships. Rondo is a good defender but he cant impact a game like dwight howard can, he cant make a bad defensive team average on his own.
On the contrary, put nash on the worst offensive team, and that team probably becomes at least an average offensive team, probably a good one.
in that sense nash’s impact to a team is far greater than rondos.
I love defense and intangibles as well in my players, but i think there is a great overlook of the intangibles nash brings to an offense…
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The doldrums
The worst place for an NBA team is middle of the pack. Drafting in the 12-18 range.
Start your team by drafting an elite scoring point guard, and you’re likely to end up there, because he’ll make a difference right away, but he won’t be enough to turn you into a contender.
Start building your team with Rondo, on the other hand, and you’ll suck long enough (as those other young pieces develop their games) to put some great pieces around him.
yeah drafting drose was a huge mistake
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
The Bulls weren't starting from scratch
Deng and Noah were already there, and they turned out to be pretty good. Where would Chicago be without those two?
by yop32 on Feb 3, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
thats by far the weirdest logic ive ever heard
while i agree being mediocre (a team that is good enough to squeak into the playoffs but is most likely a first round exit or if by some upset makes it to the second round will flounder afterwards) is the worst position to be in, your concept is wrong.
If a team drafts an elite pg (or whatever) the best thing they can do is clean house, get rid of all long term contracts that arent fitting in, and then sign proven all-stars to couple that elite player with.
Essentially thats what the bulls did. Noah and deng were good, so they kept them, got rid of the other players like hinrich, gordon, tyrus thomas, thabo, salmons, and basically in 2010 had tons of cap room to either sign a big 3 (fail) or some good free agents (korver, brewer, kurt thomas, and sadly boozer).
They also hired a coach at the time so he could help pick out the roster and made things easier for him to develop a system.
Miami essentially did the same thing. They cleaned house, kept wade, and were able to land lebron and bosh, and now all they have to do is find middling talents that just mesh well.
The problem is, you have to go through some years of mediocrity in order to really get a feel for what you have, in the wizards case, how much potential can john wall have, how much can he grow, what kind of players need to be around him.
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"Sign proven all-stars to couple that elite player with."
Must be nice to root for a FA destination team.
The Wiz don’t have that luxury. We have to get our best players through the draft. Free agency for us is only to fill in the role player gaps.
For a team like the Wiz, after drafting a PG who can score like Rose, there’s just no way to get there from here. Start as one of the worst teams in the league with essentially no assets. Add Rose. Now what? Rose improves your record too much to get the high draft picks necessary for us to build a contender. We get trapped in NBA purgatory. Not good enough to contend, not bad enough to draft the talent needed to improve.
In contrast, start with a player like Rondo or Wall, and you’ll still suck, because unlike Rose, neither Rondo nor Wall can simply do it by himself. Surround them with non-complementary players, and they’ll struggle.
That gives us our window for acquiring the necessary talent. Surround Wall with players who don’t complement him yet, but who could develop the necessary skills. Try to convert Young from an inefficient one-on-one scorer into a poor man’s Ray Allen. See if Vesely, Singleton, and/or Booker can develop a consistent shooting stroke. Try to teach JaVale to set a pick. There’s lots of potential on our roster for guys to develop into players who can beautifully complement Wall. In the meantime, we stay bad, which nets us the high draft picks we need. Then in a year or two, hopefully we’ll blast straight from crappy into contention. That phase transition will likely happen through a combination of skill development as mentioned above, trades for pieces that fit better, added talent through the draft, and minor FA acquisitions.
this debate has kind of digressed
and im actually a big fan of rajondo. hes had some of the most incredible performances in the nba the past few years. i just think nash is even better. you replace wall with rondo and the wiz they are a pretty similar team, you replace him with nash and theyre an 8 seed
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
id like to see rondo fair without the big 3
even at their old age, paul pierce is still a great offensive player who can score from several places on the court and create his own shot without being a total ball hog. Ray allen is hands down teh best shooter in the league right now. And kg, still cant be left open. Rondo is a great passer, but as this entire post has been about, it sort of helps when the guys you are passing to are guys who know how to get into the best position to put the ball in the hole.
Steve nash, he doesnt need great players around him. I also think in the nba its easier to find role players who will play defense as opposed to role players who can play good offense (move without ball and get into positions to take high percentage shots).
Rondo’s jumper did look much better in the few games i saw him this year, so i suppose theres time for him to get to a level where he isnt totally dependent on his team mates, but right now, rondo isnt capable of being a number 1 (not position 1, but option 1) if the big 3 are slumping, so will rondo….
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i guess we'll see as they are headed downhill fast
however I think Rondo gets often underrated considering he’s 15pts/9assts/5rebs/1.7stls on 51fg% while playing all-nba defense….i mean that’s pretty huge, if Wall was at that level we’d all be crowning him soon-to-be MVP
that is what wall got last year
minus the fg% and defense of course…
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
nash is still a franchise player
even though hes old and his team sucks. rondo i dont think is. i think wall can be a franchise player—he’s had stretches where hes been pretty goddamn electric. he wont be mvp level though, but what do you expect. this rebuild isnt championship or bust, i just dont want to have to add the word unfortunately every time i say im a zards fan
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And this is the reason
we should have resigned Mike Miller at any cost
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
He would be a great fit right now to add some shooting, spacing, and ball movement
Not sure about at any cost though, but then again at some point you gotta just throw some dollars around.
For real?
For starters, he’s always hurt. Second, he refused to shoot the ball when he was here. Why would he start doing it now?
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I was being incredibly facetious
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by Sean Fagan on Feb 3, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Please don't joke about Mike Miller
That man was constantly writhing on the floor in what seemed like agony for the good of the team.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Feb 3, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
but he led the team in assists
(if you count sprinting to the other side of the court to help a teammate up off the floor as an assist)
I like this analogy.
Tom Brady is great but the biggest key to his success has been playing behind the best O-line in football! Give him the sorry excuse for a line that Peyton Manning and Roethlisberger play behind and then see how he does.
I also like the analysis of Wall’s quote about Rose. He’s speaking more to the clearly defined roles than merely suggesting that Rose has better players to work with.
However, this doesn’t excuse the fact that he can’t shoot a ten-footer to save his life!
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
Great article....
and I agree with everything you wrote. This roster is just so poorly constructed it blows my mind.
by AFM on Feb 3, 2012 12:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
actually John does remind of an elite NFL wideout
When he streaks the length of the court and then throws that little wiggle in at the end while going top speed….that’s a guy no DB could cover. Unfortunately he is playing PG in the nba not WR.
Agree with so much of what you are saying….but still a ton of the problems we have result from the fact that John is not as good as we thought/hoped he would be. He may say it’s easy for Rose, but Derrick does things that John could do but for some reason doesnt. Case in point, just last night watching Rose lead a break, he let Noah and Gibson (possibly) get out in front of him on the wings…..rather than streaking by them at 100mph, the result was an easy assist for Rose and dunk for Noah when the defenders collapsed in on Rose as he drove towards the basket. Why cant John make that play? We have all sorts of guy who at the very least can and want to RUN…why does he insist on beating them all down court every time?
Obviously that’s just one little thing that wouldnt change our season….but I just dont understand why Wall isnt better than he is and I am loathe to put too much blame on his teamates (though obviously everything is tied together)
That patience thing is something that takes a while for all point guards to learn, especially ones as fast as Wall
just last night watching Rose lead a break, he let Noah and Gibson (possibly) get out in front of him on the wings…..rather than streaking by them at 100mph, the result was an easy assist for Rose and dunk for Noah when the defenders collapsed in on Rose as he drove towards the basket. Why cant John make that play? We have all sorts of guy who at the very least can and want to RUN…why does he insist on beating them all down court every time?
by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly- why try to sprint w/ him to the baseline....
when all he’s going to do it launch, out of control, into a 3/4/5 on 1.
by DCPerspective on Feb 3, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions
Also- given the way he does that
he doesn’t need better players, he needs world class sprinters.
by DCPerspective on Feb 3, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions
Javale and Vesely are 2 of the fastest 7 footers I have ever seen
Vesely may be the very fastest in the world!…there’s just no excuse for beating Bigs that run that well and specialize in FINISHING down the court every time.
I agree....
If it was me I’d tie his shoelaces together till he gets it. Watch the way he starts out- head down and accelerating. That pass first label is a myth.
by DCPerspective on Feb 3, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
i dont have facts to support this but i think a significant amount of walls assists are from fastbreaks
i can remember times where he has led a fast break, slow down and kick it to nick for a 3, javale mcgee also has a few alley oops from wall on the fastbreak…. But i have no problem with some of his 1 on 3 fastbreaks like in the orlando game at the end, he has the ability to score and it puts pressure on the defense and should lead to more fouls for him… but the article is completely right Wall cant carry the team right now because he cant shoot. but the problem is his teammates cant shoot consistently either . Ive just seen too many superstar moments from him to completely write him off just yet.
by Wizkid4eva on Feb 3, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great article Mike
And you’re right… the NFL has completely gone offense crazy – following the steps the NBA took several years ago, they are changing the rules to limit what defenses can do….
To take your analogy a bit further… it always helps a great quarterback to be able to hand the ball off to a bruising running back and be assured he’s gonna get 3-4 yards every time. As a quarterback, it’s a relief that you don’t have to shoulder the load (ie: do too much) on 3rd and long too many times. You can pick and choose your spots to pass….
The same way a big, tough low post scorer could help John Wall. Sometimes it would be nice just to come down court and pass the ball into the post and know that your big, bruising low post guy will get a good shot or draw a foul. You, as a point guard, don’t have to do everything, all the time….. Instead you can pick and choose your spots to dominate…
And there’s the problem with John Wall this year. He’s trying to score. He’s trying to be a leader. He’s trying to get others involved (pass).. He’s trying to run the break; he’s trying to run the half court offense…. but because he doesn’t have ANY help, he thinks he’s got to do it all himself… Every pass has to be perfect… Every shot has to go in..
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Feb 3, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he's shooting 22% from 16'-23' and he is a PG
that’s on him and no one else.
I agree and disagree
When the defense is able to sag off shooters and cut down driving lanes because the Wizards don’t really have good shooters, it forces Wall to take more jump shots.
There's no question he needs to get better about hitting shots when he is open though
And I think he will do that this summer now that there isn’t a lockout and he isn’t just playing street ball games with no defense involved.
by dhall88 on Feb 3, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how do you explain zero improvement on his J from year1 to year2?
the lockout was no reason players couldnt mprove their skills
Yeah I don't think its a valid excuse either
But it’s pretty clear he didn’t put in enough work on it this offseason so I can only hope he will next year with all the resources available.
Not saying otherwise
It’s the same kind of idea that I was trying to promote here — he has a problem, and the Wizards’ roster helps make it worse.
by Mike Prada on Feb 3, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rondo can't shoot either...
but his roster HELPS him…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Offhand thought...
Would you want Shawn Marion for a year or two if Dallas makes a play for their own big 3?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hell, with all our young SFs...
How to be a successful tweener in the NBA by Shawn Marion
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Feb 3, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions
anyone watching him can tell that his shot is broke
cant we get a coach in here who can teach him to shoot in rhythm?
by BigPenisArenas on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
it always helps a great quarterback to be able to hand the ball off to a bruising running back…. The same way a big, tough low post scorer could help John Wall.
The running and passing games complement each other because they attack different parts of the defense. The run attacks the line of scrimmage, the pass attacks the secondary. The defense is forced to cover more area, spreading itself thin.
In contrast, Wall is a penetrating PG who likes to go all the way to the rim. He’s wants to attack the same part of the defense as your big, tough low post scorer. The defense can stop both of them with the same personnel and formation.
The defense can stop both of them with the same personnel and formation.
Which is why you need play-makers at other positions as well.. NFL: You still need receivers that can go deep (nba: You still need spot up shooters)…
Low post scorers open up perimeter shooting…. Perimeter shooting opens up driving lanes…
It’s all interconnected….. but right now, we don’t have shooters, and we don’t have a low post scorer… The only thing we have is a PG that can penetrate…
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Wall
He’ll be ok. He definitely started the season off slow and got way better when he decided to stop forcing the game and let it come to him. As the article said with no playmakers around him it makes life difficult in DC. Hopefully sam can keep instilling confidence in wall to shoot bc his shot isnt as bad as advertised hes just never pulls it with comfort..personally i feel he’s a huge bright spot for our team and will get better with time. Sucks hes been appointed to save a franchise that hasnt even cleanned house to rebuild, the selfishness and negativity young and blatche still present on our team keep us doomed
by wizkid4life on Feb 3, 2012 12:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I am in doubt about him
Wall is a bad offensive player. He doesn’t have a jump shot period. If he is not dunking the ball, he has trouble finishing around the rim and his handle isn’t good enough to put him in isolation’s on the perimeter. On top of that he struggles with the pick and roll, especially since his opponent just goes under the screen trying to avoid a defensive 3 seconds call. He is around 35% from the field right now, around 41% true shooting (!!!) and his free-throw % has never been that good either (around 72% this year, 76% last year and 75% at Kentucky). The only offensive game he has is running 180 mph in a straight line, but if there is traffic around the rim he has trouble converting on those FGA’s too.
Wall is also a bad defensive player. He get’s outplayed by just about every PG he faces, every game. Not just by All Stars like Deron Williams and Rajon Rondo, but also by a José Calderon or Mario Chalmers. And not just this year, but last year as well. He isn’t good at fighting through picks, which makes him an atrocious pick and roll defender and he can’t stay in front of his man in isolation’s. Yes, he gets quite a lot of steals and blocks but those stats are so overrated as defensive measurements. The Wizards as a team were in the top 5 in steals last year and I believe they lead the league in blocked shots, yet in terms of defensive efficiency and points allowed they were among the worst in the league (never mind the 23-59 record). On any given night you can just pencil in Wall’s matchup as a lost one (again, not just this year, but last year as well) and you just can’t have that with your franchise player. Is there a single superstar that gets outplayed by his match up on a nightly basis? Let me rephrase that: is there a single superstar that got outplayed by his match up on a nightly basis before they reached super-stardom? Did Lebron? Did Rose? Did CP3??
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 3, 2012 3:36 PM EST up reply actions
I mean, yes, he plays with a bad supporting cast but ask yourself this:
Why isn’t he standing out amongst those bad players? Why does it look like he is just as bad as them? I don’t care how bad the team is, or how much Flip’s system is not suiting the roster. If you truly are a special talent, it should always be noticeable and it just isn’t.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 3, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think you're selling Wall's defense really short
It’s gotten a lot better this year. Hard to measure a PG by how his counterpart fares against him.
Also, fwiw, your shooting numbers aren't right
He’s at 38 percent from the field, 46.5% TS%, 79.5% at the line. First two are still bad of course
That's my bad, I saw those numbers flaoting by one time and didn't bother to check the recent numbers.
anyway, I don’t think I sell his defense short. Maybe you can argue that he has gotten a bit better staying infront of his man but he still gets pick and rolled to the death and overall get’s outplayed on a nightly basis.
The whole comment is a bit negative but that’s mostly because I hold him to a high standard ever since he was drafted.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 4, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions
One thing Wall can do
is to stop being Grossman and turning the ball over. He is sort of like Bradford. His O-line is bad and the receivers are worse. Wall doesn’t even have the benefit of Jackson. He has to tuck the ball in Tebow style and carry the ball himself. I look at the Wiz and i see team with enough players to make a nice bench.
I see the Sam Bradford comparison
STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE
by everybodylookin on Feb 3, 2012 12:58 PM EST up reply actions
Haha rexwall..we def have a bench team with 2 nba starters wall and mcgee
by wizkid4life on Feb 3, 2012 1:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We need to be patient with young point guards
Let’s not rush to any conclusions this quickly. It sometimes takes 5 years for a young PG to learn the NBA game (Billups, Felton, Lowry…) and become comfortable playing with his teammates. And sometimes you have to take 1 step back before going 2 steps forward.
by dcballin on Feb 3, 2012 1:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Does Wall play for the Wizards or Skins?
Wall is like that quarterback forced to deal with a leaky offensive line and no playmakers.
Maybe it is something in the water….
Great article Mike…I could nit-pick a few things, but I think the overall point is extremely sound and worthy of consideration by fans.
One could also argue the other part of the footballization is barreling to the rim and getting tackled on every play…but that is neither here nor there….
That's where I thought this article could be going as well
With less and less emphasis on shooting ability and more focus on size and athleticism.
shooters
Thanks man, this was a great read.
I get confused sometimes by the idea of surrounding Wall with shooters, versus the players they already have. The questions here reflect certainly that: “Is Nick Young a spot-up shooter or a primary scorer? Is Rashard Lewis a spot-up shooter, or is he the small forward he once was in Seattle?”
Players like Young and Crawford, even Lewis, aren’t they supposed to be the shooters they are surrounding him with? Are they just not good/consistent enough at shooting the ball, or are they the wrong type of “shooter”? I know one huge problem this season has been missing a lot of wide-open looks, and that certainly hurts.
I think the point that Mike is making
specifically about Young, but it applies to Lewis as well…
Your “spot up shooter” shouldn’t be taking 15 shots a game… He shouldn’t be your leading scorer…
Nick Young has multiple roles on this team… and THAT is the problem…
Same with JaVale McGee… Is he the defensive stalward.. that blocks shots, grabs rebounds, and starts the fast break? Or is he the low post scoring threat? Unfortunately, the Wizards are trying to develop both – - to the detriment of both….
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It's a good point
I think it’s a combination of roster construction (are they naturally good spot-up shooters and is there enough talent otherwise to let them be), coaching (emphasizing spot-up shooting, designing schemes based on it) and the players themselves (do they want to be spot-up shooters?).
royal jelly
Agree with all this.
That NBA Today podcast (I think I saw it from Mike’s twitter posts) last week with David Thorpe (http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/archive?id=3634017) that talks about developing players was really interesting. Two things I got from it were coaches need to give young players the freedom to make mistakes (not yank them right away), but also focus their energy on their strengths. I think Whittman is doing better job at both of these, especially with McGee , as he talks about wanting McGee to focus on leading the league in blocks. (Now, just need McGee to focus on that also.) The hard part with Wall, is he is being asked to do so much, that it makes it hard to give him the opportunity to focus on just a couple things.
The Wizards have always had a problem with discipline (shock!), and I think that if all they do this year is continue to improve in some of these areas that are really more about effort than talent (play hard, smart, patient, focused) that is a great building block to work on.
I agree to a point and I think its bailing him out as well
I have defended Wall here especially when I hear folks saying Rubio is better or Irving is better and things like that. I have offered the teammates angle as proof of this.
But I also think its easy to put it on teammates as well. A quality pg takes more command of the ball he can make the game easier for teammates I never buy and have never bought into the idea that a supersta can actually make a player better I think he can make the game easier for his teammates but can’t literally make a player better than his talent deems he is.
Wall to me gives the crawfords and Nick Young’s too much control of the ball on the floor. Nick Young became a more efective player last season coming off screens in catch and shoot situations but now he’s morphed back into the ball sticking blackhole he was a couple years ago.
He need to be looked off and told by Wall to give me the ball back go run off another screen.
Wall’s skill and undertanding of the game need major work.
Its why I wasn;t enamored with the highlight reel plays he was making on the summer circuit of charity games it doesn’t prepare you to be a better player its not NBA ball.
It was theorized he was gonna have a breakout season because he had his athleticism back. but thats not happened why because his skills still remain very raw and his understanding of the game is still very primitiive.
I watched Cp3 run the pick and roll the other night and the pace and patientnce and understanding he displayed we’re incredible then I watched some of the Wizards game I had on DVR again and its really quite shocking how little Wall understands about the pick and roll offense.
Wall doesn’t seem to understand that you have to come off very close to the guy setting the screen and engage the guy behind him more squared up and attacked that guy , instead wall barely accepts the screen then comes flying off with way too much pace giving the defender the ability to force him wide instead of down the middle at the right angle and almost always forces Wall to throw the ball straight back out over his shoulder.
Not sure why wall is allowed to do this by coaches over and over again alitle bit of film study and practice time you think would help with this.
This is where Sam Cassell isn’t the best coach for him Sam wasn’t great at the pick and roll either he looked to work his way into the mid range area so he could shoot it but wasn’t great at finding the angle either to compromise the integrity of the defense so I’m not certain Wall is getting the right level of coaching that would help him understand the pick and roll better.
Wall’s jumper and general finishing ability is very amateurish he has no touch inside the paint, is wildly out of control when he gets to the baskets his release pt often too low as he lunges off balance or drives past the rim and attempts to flip the ball back towards the basket.
these are things that can be cured with simple repetition. why is he not working hard enough at them.
and lastly his leadeship and demeanor its okay if he fusses at his teammates for making mistakes that are correctable on the fly get on guys but don’t let the frustration fester and be a brooding malcontent on the court thats so frustrated as if your game isn’t a contributing factor to why the team is struggling.
Let it out be encouraging be mad but stay engaged. He gets this funky little attitude that is all frustration and it affects his effort at times.
Be more of a student of the game recogize if Mcgee has an edge on his man downlow go to him don’t just force Young and Craw the ball say to the team look I think Mcgee can work his man we’re going there for awhile. Same with Booker when he has an edge even paint misses are better than long jumper misses that hurts floor balance.
be aware that sometimes the ball needs to go inside out.
Wall needs a strong headcoach that is good with pg’s and will stay on his case to make or break his understanding and work etic for the game.
thats why I believe Larry Brown would be the ideal coach he will break Wall down and enhance his understanding of the game with very very tough love.
by jazzy1 on Feb 3, 2012 1:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the summer would have been a lot more productive in LA
running 500 p&rs with Javale and Nick a day….
Joakim Noah, Anderson Varejao, JaVale McGee.
One of these things is not like the others. Some of Wall’s poor play has to come back to McGee’s lack of fundamentals. If McGee can’t set a pick and Wall can’t hit a jumper then it’s hard to imagine them ever playing well together.
by djnnnou on Feb 3, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if mcgee set a pick
wouldnt defenders just go under the screen, at which point john wall is forced to shoot jumpers. I think thats part of the reason for the lack of screen and rolls with wall, at this point defenders are always going to go under, big men will always hedge enough to slow down any possible wall drive, and mcgee wont really be put into effective space to catch and finish. If you look at boston, they really dont like to run pick and rolls with rondo, instead they run it with pierce, mainly due to that reason
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the whole pick thing is overblown imo
it’s not like there’s a rule stopping someone other than Mcgee from setting picks, and when they do, John doesnt use them very well and often ignores them really
I don't think wall uses the screen he comes flying off far too fast he doesn;t bury the man into mcgee
Mcgee flies off of it to fast but I think its both of them not simply Mcgee.
Wizards are using alot more horns now anyway the dual screen thing with Mcgee and the Pf and wall is still struggling to use it effectively.
Wall needs space under the basket to drive
To get the necessary space, every player on our team needs to be capable of doing something constructive away from the basket. Sure, someone else can set the pick for Wall, but JaVale still needs to be able to do something to force his man to step out of the paint. McGee can’t shoot, is a poor pick setter, can’t pass, and doesn’t make good off ball cuts. He’s incapable of doing anything constructive away from the basket. That means he’s incapable of playing well with Wall.
Yes, Wall is still pretty bad at using screens, but he’s getting better. When Wall is in, we’re a much better team offensively with someone else at C.
"When Wall is in, we’re a much better team offensively with someone else at C."
according to 82games our best offensive unit has been:
Wall
Craw
Young
Book
Mcgee
How many times in that lineup was Craw handling the ball I wonder, and looking for Booker/McGee?
10.3 minute sample size for that lineup
Apparently that’s also our worst possible defensive lineup.
More meaningful numbers (553 minute and 246 minute sample sizes)
Look at JaVale’s effect on Wall’s stats.
8.9 more points per 36 minutes.
9% better FG%.
3.4 more FTs per 36 minutes.
+9.8 better +/- per 36 minutes.
Those numbers are huge.
meh
i dont think it matters who sets the screen. If defenders go under that basically leaves both the picker and the ball man crowded and defended. The pick and roll game should be actually be run with young and mcgee, i think thats far more unstoppable…wall i think should be used as a secondary option on the opposite wing, because a pick and roll with young and mcgee and nice screen by blatche should free up a lane for wall, and that gives young two options to make a play, a rolling mcgee or a free lane for wall, not to mention his own shot…..
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I think a Young and McGee pick and roll would be a comedy of errors.
Nick doesn’t have the handle or passing skills.
by djnnnou on Feb 3, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
A good pick disrupts the defense.
It pulls away the big man, and if the guard goes under the screen Wall gets the space to use his speed. It’s almost like guarding him on the open floor. I think I recently read an article where Rose said it was easier for him to get to the rim when the defender sagged off of him. I can’t find it, but maybe you read it?
i havent actually
if you find it id like to see it, cuz i dont think it makes sense in a basketball sense nor for how rose has increased his game. If it were true, then rose would never need to develop a jumper, because without a jumper a team will always go over the top of screens to guard him. Teams only go under screens against NON SHOOTERS, and if rose couldnt shoot and found it easier to drive when defenders go under (which again makes no sense from a basketball standpoint since it means any drive by either rose or the screener will be met with a double team ) then he would have been near mvp level before last year (last year was when his ability to shoot 3s and jumpers really peaked).
Going under screens essentially positions the guard, a big, and a help defender at around the 3pt line, no matter how quick or fast you are, you are not going to consistently get past that wall of players….
the best counter to a team that likes to go under screens is to have the picker be a guy who can shoot. For example, rubio and klove. Rubio is still a pretty bad shooter, but his biggest advantage is that he knows how to really stretch the pick and get klove time to fade back a bit and hit the jumper.
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Irving and Wall are different players. And they are both good.
Mike’s whole point is that Irving is surrounded by players who were pretty much brought together to be complementary to The Great One. Irving simply inherited them and has been taking advantage of this, and his new teammates in turn have adapted nicely.
Wall is surrounded by a combination of mis-purposed holdovers from the playoff years of picking 16 – 20, ostensible glue guys who were picked behind him in 2010 and picked for him in 2011, plus Rashard.
Plus, Wall was at Kentucky for a year, while Irving was at Duke. I know we all hate on the Dookies here, but Coach K by God teaches discipline on offense, making the extra pass, playing within yourself blah blah. Coach C is of a different breed.
Oh, and Cleveland has a better coach.
by khrabb on Feb 3, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Whether it's football or basketball...
…think of the Washington team from the perspective of the opposing team’s defensive coach. That is, they try to take the other team’s strong point.
With respect to the Wizards, there are only two offensive threats. Wall driving to the basket and Young shooting the long ball. It’s relatively easy to address these two things and make them much harder to succeed when all of the other players on the floor have offensive deficiencies.
Said another way, there needs to be three above average shooters on the floor. Wall and McGee are below average (but that’s okay given their other skills). Until that happens, judging Wall is premature.
I'm not to worried about Wall's lower assist numbers this year
according to hoopdata Wall’s assists leading to field goals at the rim are UP 0.3 / 40 min, on shots less than 15 feet (but not at rim) are even from last year, but is down 0.6 on long 2’s and down 0.3 on 3’s. Makes it seem like the lack of shooting has a lot to do with it.
I wish there was a way to see field goal percentage on shots that would be assists if made.
Wall's Woes
I think putting up big numbers against phantom defenses this summer is part of John’s problems.
As to if he or Rondo is better what would be the result if they switched teams right now?
I think that Wall would be an all star & Rondo would be very frustrated.
Andray for Tyrus?
You guys see this?
@IamaGM: Wizards trying to trade Andray Blatche for Tyrus Thomas http://www.iamagm.com/news/2012/02/03/wizards.trying.trade.andray.blatche.tyrus.thomas
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by WorldWiEdWard on Feb 3, 2012 4:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Just what we need...
Another athletic, energy guy who can’t shoot (and is always hurt).
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