Why don't the Wizards have a D-League Team?
by nichobert on Feb 21, 2012 12:29 AM EST
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PrintYes, some would say they already do. I get it!
My understanding is that the financial toll wouldn't be crippling, and the potential benefits could make it worthwhile.
Why share a team with the Bulls & Hornets? It's not like the Wizards are so overloaded with talent that they couldn't use the help.
Yes, some would say they already do. I get it!
My understanding is that the financial toll wouldn't be crippling, and the potential benefits could make it worthwhile.
Why share a team with the Bulls & Hornets? It's not like the Wizards are so overloaded with talent that they couldn't use the help. Having a team exclusively affiliated with Washington would allow the team to utilize the same playbook, terminology and philosophy as the Washington Wizards. How could this possibly be a bad thing? The NBA draft is only 2 rounds and a brief skim through the last 50 or so NBA drafts suggests that drafting is an inexact science at best. Some guys may have struggled- or at least not exploded- in their college system but happen to flourish in the Wizards pro-style system, some guys may fall through the cracks of the draft for hundreds of different reasons that don't neccesarily preclude them from being an NBA-level talent.
It just seems like teams are cheating themselves if they're not utilizing the oppurtunity to keep a d-league franchise of their own. Yes, it's difficult to employ a whole new staff capable of executing the goals of the franchise, but something is better than nothing, especially with a team like the Wizards in desperate need of an infusion of talent. It'll be a shame if "the next Jeremy Lin"- or even the next Chuck Hayes, Dorrell Wright, Matt Barnes, Lou Amundson, Reggie Williams,or Anthony Tolliver is on the Iowa Energy and ends up with the Bulls or Hornets through some arcane procedure of the shared affiliate system.
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And why..
Is the Warriors d-league team called the Wizards?
So confusing.
Ahh! No wonder we are losing so many games. We are the Warriors D-League team!!!
Ha. Im sort of proud of our 7 wins now.
But seriously, they are probably worried they might call-up a player who turns out to be better than their 1st draft pick.
by tw10 on Feb 21, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
would you trade Singleton or Ves for Ivan Johnson?
imo there are many players in the DLeague who could outperform plenty of nba guys but they are in there mid to later 20s so it becomes a question of sticking with potential and hoping for a long term gain vs short term dividends
They do have one
It’s just playing in the NBA…..
Sigh, that joke made me feel bad.
by GJennings on Feb 21, 2012 2:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I completely agree
Having their own D League team would allow the Wiz to run the FO and implement the coaching philosophies and playbook 1 on 1. They would have an extra pair of scouting eyes in the D League and have the option to have players like Singleton, Vesely and Seraphin to learn the game and the role the Wiz’ want them to play and/or other players who wouldn’t lose a beat if/when they get called up. They’d also have the option to rehab players coming of an injury for a few games.
The Nets have their own team since last year and I heard their GM on the NBA podcast say a few weeks ago that it is no more expensive than buying a 1st round pick for $3 million. He said if they’d get 1 rotation player every 2 or 3 years the investment would be a success money wise.
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Why don't the Wizards have their own D-League team?
Because it would cost money. Spending money isn’t part of the rebuild plan. We’re supposed to suck, and suck cheaply. Any additional outlay of cash is just going to make us better, and we want to suck. We don’t suck enough right now, since Charlotte has a worse record than we do, so obviously we’re spending too much money as it is!
Sorry. That was a lot of sarcasm. But Ted’s rebuild is not showing us a whole lot, especially by keeping the hapless captain at the helm. And even something as minor as buying a D-League team and trying to develop role players would be a ray of hope that someone in the FO gets it.
by jakenbake on Feb 21, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Ted has denied that he is making or not making moves to cut costs.
Said that at the chalk talk last month.
But spending a lot and sucking right now is worse than where we are right now I think. We have to wait a couple more seasons to see what’s in store.
Ted has said (rhymes I know)
that he believes that the players we have right now will be in the NBA. But he is open to a dedicated D League team in the future.
I’d have to agree with him for now because we’d rather see what our young players can do right now in the NBA than play against lesser competition in the D League, even though they probably will get more minutes. Either way, there’s a case for nearly every player on our roster to be sent there for various reasons.
The Wiz aren't too far removed froma D-League team
If they played head to head with some of the top D-League teams out there, they would struggle
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 21, 2012 10:26 AM EST reply actions
Honestly though, I remember reading that Leonsis wants to get the Wiz off the ground first
Then once that’s established, look towards the possibility of a D-League franchise. Might be awhile…
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 21, 2012 10:28 AM EST reply actions
Lets clear the air
How many teams have their own D League team? Lakers, Mavs, Spurs, who else? Why is it necessary for a team this young to have a AAA team? So guys who we don’t have room for on the Wizards can learn our plays? Really?
Why do the Wizards have to have their own? This franchise doesn’t need one right now. Most franchises don’t need one. A veteran team where first round picks can’t get minutes, thats who could use their own team.
Houston, OKC, New Jersey, Golden State, Cleveland, New York
Roughly, one third of the teams. Much like international scouting, it’s a trend that has started with the more progressive and competitive teams out West and will eventually get adopted by the crap orgs in the Eastern Conference.
I don't get the clamor
It is not like baseball minor leagues where the parent team has all of the minor league players under contract. The Wizards are free to sign any player in the D-League right now, even if they play on one of those “company owned” teams. None of the players on the Wizards owned team would actually be under contract to them, so why bother?
Exactly
this just feels like an easy target for pssed off fans to complain about, regardless of whether the franchise would actually benefit.
I don't agree. When you have your own team and thus FO in the D-Leaugue
You have first hand intel on your own D-League talents
You have first hand intel on other team’s D-League talents
You have first hand intel on fringe NBA players on the waiver wire who play in the D-League
You have the ability to pick your own coachingstaf who implement the playbook of the NBA team so that when you call some one up, you can plug and play him.
This also helps develop your raw first round or second round picks to adjust to the roles that the big team has. Especially good for players from oversees.
You can put Blatche or Turiaf in to get back into shape and play the system/role they are going to play in the NBA again but adjust on a lower level.
If this nets you a servicable plug and play D league player or two every year (you tipically need 1 or 2 on 10 day contracts every year) ánd it gives you a keeper like Alonzo Gee or Sundiata Gaines every 3 years, it’s already worth it over buying picks at $3mil. And that’s without the obvious benefits from controlling the FO and coachingstaff as I listed above
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 21, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
I heard that one and it's a great pitch on why it's worth owning one
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 21, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions
Are you thinking in terms of teh Wizards roster?
Scouts can do this.
Scouts can also do this.
Scouts are paid to do this.
A D Leaguer knowing the “playbook” on day 1 is the least of our concerns, if said D Leaguer is playing big minutes. Again, we don’t have the roster for this anyway. Our first and second round picks are playing in the NBA. At most we could send 1 down when our injured players return. Maybe. Our NBA roster of picks is younger than many D League teams.
First and second picks who go to the D League are usually the best players, playing prominent scoring/rebounding/ball handling roles. So they aren’t adjusting to NBA roles where they need to fit in as needed at all. They play a much larger role down there than in the bigs.
Vets getting their legs back injury, check.
When we have a mature roster which is set to 10 guys and then we’re filling in it makes more sense. We’ll need to find a D leaguer here or there because we’ll be tapped out salary wise. With this roster it makes very little sense. We’d have a full blown minor league franchise with hand picked coaches running our system (wait, Flip’s or Randy’s?) and one player down there.
do you think our 1st round picks could dominate the DLeague?
i wouldnt be opposed to sending CSing and Ves down there for stretches just to see if they indeed have some stand out talent, sure doesnt look like it so far. And Seraphin could probably use a stint now and again, he needs to play.
at any rate, we could do that without owning our own team
This would make sense if we had an established system with established starters to where the younger players would not have an opportunity to see the court. This is NOT the case for the WIz.
by TheRealBigMike on Feb 21, 2012 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yep. We're going to have a minor league run our playbook.
And which playbook is that again?
They’re going to develop our young/raw players. And which ones can we spare?
Gee is playing far better than Vesely or Singleton on a team 1 game removed from 8th seed.
so maybe this universe?
by DCrez on Feb 21, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
In the Nets and Cavs universe
Gaines just posted 13 points, six assists, four rebounds, and a steal in 22 minutes off the bench in New Jersey’s loss at Detroit.
He has played 29 of 34 games for the Nets and is averaging about 14 minutes off the bench as a backup to Deron Willams. He averages 6 points, 2 rebounds, 2.5 assists and 1 steal and 1 to. He is rocking a 19 PER which is way better than Shelvin Mack who is at 3.5 points, 1.5 rebounds, 1.5 assists and a PER of 12.5
Alonzo Gee started at shooting guard and scored 9 points with 9 rebounds in 42 minutes Sunday in Cleveland’s win over Sacramento.
He has played in all their 29 games, mostly SF and averages 27 minutes, 10 points, 4 rebounds, 1.5 assists and 1.5 steals on a 12.75 PER. Singleton for example averages 4 points, 3 rebounds, 0.5 assists, 1 steal and a whooping 7.8 PER.
And don’t tell me those are just bad teams because they are both better than we are. Those teams have found very valuable rotational players in what you think is garbage. And they are not ‘established teams’ who can’t find minutes for youngsters either.
I agree that scouting can do a lot of this stuff but if you really want to make player development a focus (it’s in Ted’s 10 point plan) than I don’t see how you not put in the effort and still think you’re doing a good job. It can only help now ánd in the future if this sorry trainwreck of a rebuild ever comes to fruition.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 21, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
They're not good teams. Why don't you want me to tell you that?
Anyway, I’m not opposed to the idea of Teddy (not the fans) owning a d-league franchise, I just happen to share Ted’s opinion on the matter: Now isn’t the time to incur an expense that’s not going to pay dividends.
Among several other factors (like who exactly does it make sense to send down right now?… how about next year?…), the Wizards don’t have a permanent coach, which means they don’t have an offensive/defensive scheme to implement in the D-League.
The time for this probably won’t be right for another few years. To be honest, I wouldn’t do it until and unless the major league team had exclusive rights to every player on the roster. Even then, the salaries would have to be high enough to compete with the Euros so you could stock your farm team with real talent, as opposed to Mike James and Bryant Reeves, which means the revenue would have to be high enough to support higher salaries. The problem is that other teams are free to pluck players off of the farm team you’re paying for. Did anyone ever stop and consider that if some other team’s farm yields a good crop, we could go snatch it right now today? The whole concept is flawed right now. But that’s just me.
There are just sooo many reasons why this doesn’t make a whole lot of sense for the Washington Wizards in 2012-13, that it seems that people are just failing to frame it analytically. Take off your fan hat for a second dude.
costs $3mill and gives 100% control of your affiliate.
Cant hurt right?
I am a season ticket holder
so why cant I expect the team does every little thing it can that might help, I am paying in one sense afterall.
and besides, with all the cashback trades Ernie does surely there is little extra somewhere
My point exactly.
It won’t help anything. At least not in the next year or two.
In my humble opinion, that is...
And Ted’s too. The one that matters.
Gee's actually been pretty good for Cleveland
9 pts/4 rebounds in 27 minutes, 56% TS%, good defense. Lots of turnovers but he’s been helpful for them.
I get you guys.
Keeper is just a bit too strong a sentiment. How can we call them ‘keepers’ if no one has kept them? They’ve both played sparingly for three or more teams (not counting the D-League) in three years. Keepers, on the other hand, usually get kept. They’re fringe talents is all. Useful in a pinch. Which is exactly what I’d call our situation, DCrez… We could find a use for both of them. That doesn’t make them keepers…
Okay I'll give you 21.9 minutes (I said three years)
How many of those minutes came with non-bottom dwellers?
but Gee is clearly playing much better than either of our 1st round SFs
if he is a fringe talent, what does that make them? Yes I know they are rookies but Jan is our lotto pick and CSing was supposed to be “the steal” of the draft
They're rookies = the jury is still out.
You understand that too right?
Pech was a rookie once too and surely being outperformed by journeyman DLeaguers
and people were surely saying “but he’s a rookie!” too
lol okay.
I suppose Ves and Sing are busts then and we’re simply all in denial? lol
you may be in denial that their current showings arent alarming.
Ves has the worst TO rate of any qualified rookie this season while being 34th in USG rate….that shit is real I hate to say, and it’s a very troubling sign. Can’t brush it off as “oh well they are rookies.”
oh and btw CSing and Ves rank 32nd and 33rd out of 36 qualified rookies for PER
but they are all rookies i guess so, um….
Well, they wouldn't have qualified on 20 teams
Says as much about the team as the players at this point.
you think our 6th pick couldnt get 6mins/game on 20 nba teams?
isnt that troubling?!
but no I am not saying they are busts, yes it is too early to say that stuff, but no it is not too early to evaluate and be concerned we have to draft as if neither is on the team yet we just spent a lottery pick and another 1st rounder on them
I have some concerns. Alarming is a bit of an overstatement, at least for me.
I am concerned more about Singleton than Vesely though. Aside from the deficiencies we knew he had, Vesely is learning a new position.
Singleton, however, got his manhood taken by Paul Pierce and hasn’t been the same since. He also can’t find his range so he’s a doughnut on offense. I think part of it with him is that he’s mentally checked, playing for a loser. But in the end I think its more mental than anything with him. His talents are evident; the question is will he ever put it together here?
Would you trade either of them for Gee?
Yup, and we just waived him last year.
If Channing Frye goes off again, I’m going to drive my car off an overpass. Via offramp, having used my turn signal in a safe and legal fashion - Bullet Nation in Exile
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 22, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions
yea i was just going to point that out
It was weird that we even had a chance to get Gee last year. He had a lot of good games for the Cavs before getting bumped off the roster for one of the several guys that didn’t make their team again this year.
I’m much more concerned with Singleton than Vesely as well. Vesely has some major issues but he has made some great plays for the Wizards whenever he can stay on the floor. Singleton is often invisible despite being the guy that made a lot of ‘analysts’ praise the hell out of our draft.
I think i’d rather have Shelvin Mack than Sundiata Gaines though
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