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Good advice from Nash to Wall

The work he puts in now will show up down the road no need in getting too frustrated now and stop working because you feel like you’re not getting what you deserve this very second. The Wizards will get more talent around him and Wall is already showing improvement as the season moves on.

by jazzy1 on Feb 20, 2012 11:43 AM EST reply actions  

"Nick Young is the barometer to the Wizards' success this season."

Spread the floor a little, and Wall, Booker, JaVale, and Vesely are actually pretty good.

by yop32 on Feb 20, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Exactly

The core of this is not that Nick is what makes us better as a team, it’s what he brings, outside shooting. We get some more guys that in can bomb it and we’ll be looking better.

by BballBrit on Feb 20, 2012 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

the problem there is that Booker, Vesely, and Singleton are the guys who cant shoot

so in essence instead of talking about them being pretty good if we have guys that can shoot, we’re really talking about replacing them with guys that can shoot

by DCrez on Feb 20, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I'd only put Vesely in that category in the long term

Booker has shown that he can make the midrange set shot. Singleton can hit the three at a reasonable clip but for some reason he’s not at the moment, it will come with time.

Vesely may stun us all and develop his shot throughout his career until it’s a plus. Kidd did it. But it is more likely that we have to resign our selves to a good set shot being his ceiling.

by BballBrit on Feb 20, 2012 1:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bullets Forever....like getting the newspaper a month early

We have been saying as goes Nick Young, so go the Wizards since January. The problem is that isn’t a fun feeling.

by DavidDunn on Feb 20, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Nick Young being the barometer is whats wrong with the Wizards team.

He should not hold that prominant a role on this team or any team for that matter. He should be a part not a cog.

by jazzy1 on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think him being a big part of the offense is fine when he plays within it

Its just when he goes back to his one-on-one tendencies that causes a problem.

by oakhillswag on Feb 20, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed w Jazzy

Young brings his beautiful J that he will use 13-16 times no matter what and thats it. That is why he is the barometer. On the occasional nights his often-chucked J goes in often, he provides good value from our 2 spot, which is CRITICAL on a team w/ no other shooters and a pass-first PG.

The huge issue is that on the other nights he brings nothing to the table and takes basically every other skill you would like your 2/3 to have off of it. So on say a portland night, Nick is a huge asset…but in most games hes a huge liability. He NEEDS to be on fire to provide NBA-level value, and the Wiz NEED him to do so in order to win with this roster as constructed.

Neither is a good situation.

by Maroon and Black on Feb 20, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

If only McGee could be Dwight Howard

Blatche: Garnett. Lewis 23 years old. Crawford: MJ. If only…. I hate this team!

by hambonejackson on Feb 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Actually

I hate Leonsis. I will always hate Leonsis. He is boring, shallow and obtuse. What this team needs is better players and that is all there is to it. They don’t need 10 point plans. They need better coaching and better players. Its not rocket science.

by hambonejackson on Feb 20, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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1. not quick or alert in perception, feeling, or intellect; not sensitive or observant; dull.
2. not sharp, acute, or pointed; blunt in form.
3. (of a leaf, petal, etc.) rounded at the extremity.
4. indistinctly felt or perceived, as pain or sound.

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Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 20, 2012 3:13 PM EST up reply actions  

the Wiz cannot win a game without Nick performing

that is much more an indictment of the team than it is Nick imho

by DCrez on Feb 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He is the only shooter (well him and Crawford)

In the NBA, if you have one shooter, the other team will sag and clog the lane, therefore you will simply be as good as your one shooter night in night out. It isn’t rocket science. And it has happened all year. We have said right here all year.

The only question is whether “the plan” will work and the plan on adding shooters after the hustle bench players? I would have done it the other way, but maybe they thought they could get shooters later.

Time will tell.

by DavidDunn on Feb 20, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Nick Young is the barometer to the Wizards' success this season."

i think this statement is flawed to begin with, and shouldnt be accepted as an absolute truth.

I think the biggest barometer for us winning is defense and team-basketball.I wonder what our wins or margin of victory stats look like when u look at defense and assists

by KurisuDevil on Feb 20, 2012 1:06 PM EST reply actions  

Too inconsistent for a long term investment.

He should of been moved over the summer.

by djnnnou on Feb 20, 2012 1:12 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Rookie and Soph efficiency

I went over to nba.com and got the efficiency rating for rookies and sophs. I sorted and ranked the Wizards for efficiency and efficiency per 48 minutes. Here’s how we rank.
EFFICIENCY EFFICIENCY PER 48
Wall 4 19
Booker 16 20
Crawford 35 61
Seraphin 50 33
Vesely 51 62
Singleton 48 68
Mack 61 49
AND SOME FAVORITES
Cousins 3 1
Kanter 34 12
Markieff Morris 23 23
Leonard 27 39
Rubio 6 22

Doesn’t look like a very good rebuild.

by seatraveller on Feb 20, 2012 1:50 PM EST reply actions  

I don't get it. What do those numbers mean? Wall 4 and 19?

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 20, 2012 2:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Wall ranks number 4 in efficiency as defined in nba.com for rookies and sophomores

He ranks 19th in efficiency per 48 minutes. I had it spaced out properly, I don’t know why it didn’t take.

by seatraveller on Feb 20, 2012 2:26 PM EST up reply actions  

tnx. So out of 120 rookies and sophomores (more or less)

Wall ranks 19th per 48 minutes, Booker 20th and the rest isn’t in the top 30…..

Meanwhile Kanter and Cousins are 12 and 1…

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 20, 2012 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not sure what you're trying to show here....

The Wizards young kids are not very efficient?
because high efficiency players are needed to win?

Dallas Championship Starters (EFF48M):

Dirk Nowitzki 10
Tyson Chandler 52
Shawn Marion 83
Jason Kidd 77
DeShawn Stevenson 335

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 20, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I mean...

I love efficient scorers…. but isn’t that taking the stat a bit to the extreme?

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Feb 20, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

efficiency formula

The NBA publishes, on its Web site, all the basic statistics recorded officially by the league. Individual player efficiency is expressed there by a stat referred to as ‘efficiency’ and abbreviated EFF. It is derived by the simple formula (PTS + REB + AST + STL + BLK – FG missed – FT missed – TO).

by seatraveller on Feb 20, 2012 2:57 PM EST up reply actions  

reply

My figures were for just rookies and sophs. Here are our starters rank eff48 for the entire league..plus some reserves/starters

McGee 32
Booker 87
Singleton 314
Wall 82
Young 242
Crawford 285
Vesely 286
Mack 228
Lewis 310

by seatraveller on Feb 20, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions  

It is interesting to see that McGee by far and away is our best player in almost every statistical way.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 20, 2012 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Thus demonstrating how limited these stats can be

I mean, McGee definitely does some things well, but overall he probably kills us more than he kills them. Any ranking of Wizards players that doesn’t start with Wall fails the sanity check. It’s not even close.

by steadyhand on Feb 20, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah but Wall was borderline terrible for the first portion of the season

if he played all year like he is now i would bet he’d rank easily as the highest wizard and very high overall

by DCrez on Feb 20, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

These stats mean very little

there is another math that involves nodes and lines and decision trees.It better simulates the game as its actually played. Not only will it tell you who is inefficient, but why. Usually its because of where players are standing, what decisions they make with the ball and who they give the ball to and where that player is standing. Hence, inefficiency is a team thing that can be distorted towards a particular player when using static, regressive mathematics. If Young isn’t standing in the right spot and the clock is winding down and the call is to pass the ball to young, do you do it if you are Wall or is he better off taking the shot himself? if he passes to Young and Young misses, Wall loses the assist. If Wall takes the shot and misses, that counts against him and Young looks more efficient even though he was less efficient. This happens because there is a 24 second clock. The 24 second clock can also make what appear to be high usage, inefficient scorers desirable. Essentially, someone has to shoot the ball, and for some teams that means an Anthony. Even Crawford depending on who is on the floor.
Basically, breaking down game tape is the best non-mathematical way of seeing how to improve the team and understanding who is inefficient and why. I just watch the game because my brain can process a bizillion billion pieces of information that I later flush out with beer because who needs it?

by hambonejackson on Feb 20, 2012 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

And all that just for a beer...

I agree to a point- the shot clock definitely comes into play when a team is searching for it’s handle.

by DCPerspective on Feb 20, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

This might be a painful second half of the season but we need to trade Nick Young soon

We need to learn how to play without him. Even if it is painful to have Jordan Crawford start. It is looking less likely Young isn’t coming back next season. This whole thing has been mismanaged. Lakers, Celtics, or some team that needs a scoring punch off the bench for their extra first rounder.

by AnyGiven on Feb 20, 2012 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

one can only imagine how JCraw will play if Nick is traded and he's suddenly the entrenched starter

i dont know what is up with that guy, he clearly has a great skillset and often makes excellent decisions but for the most part he seems bent on taking as many impossible shots as he can

by DCrez on Feb 20, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions  

all i know is,

Crawford makes at least 2 jaw dropping passes a game. Dude has some elite court vision. His shoot jacking habits can definitely be broken thig though

by jsuh0 on Feb 20, 2012 4:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

The person that can help break those habits

is no longer on the team anymore. Past two seasons I’ve seen the same player. I can’t think of any significant improvement. I’m willing to go through the pain of watching JC jack up shots so we can get a good draft pick out of Young.

by AnyGiven on Feb 20, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't get the line about the Wizards paying Howard 3 million to play for the jazz.

Wasn’t he an unrestricted free agent? how would another team be paying him anything?

by tonedru on Feb 21, 2012 12:40 AM EST reply actions  

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