Chris Singleton: The Next James Posey?
Coming out of college, Chris Singleton has been compared to just about every great perimeter defender of the past decade, from Shane Battier to Bruce Bowen. Everyone has different ideas of which lockdown guy would be the best one to emulate, but for me, the clear choice is James Posey. Both players were taken with the 18th overall pick in the draft. They also both entered similar situations, joining young, defensively deficient teams.
With that in mind, I decided to take a look at each player's stats for their rookie year to get a better idea of how Singleton stacks up with the player he should be emulating. Thanks to Basketball-Reference, you can compare their stats against one another right here. A few observations after the jump.
- The gap between Posey and Singleton in three-point shooting isn't as wide as it might look. Posey shot 37.3 percent from deep his rookie year, compared to Singleton who's making just 29.4 percent so far. However, after that season, Posey's shooting numbers plummeted, as chronicled by Sports Illustrated here. The next three seasons, Posey shot 30 percent, 28.3 percent and 30.6 percent, much more in line with Singleton's percentage so far this season. Posey's struggles went hand in hand with Denver's decline that ultimately led to the beginning of the Carmelo Anthony era.
What does this tell us? You're only as good as your supporting cast. If Chris Singleton was with a more efficient offense where he could get better open looks, there's no reason to think he couldn't be shooting as well as Posey did his rookie year. If you're still not sold, remember that they both shot 36 percent from deep during their final season in college. - Singleton has a long way to go to contribute in other ways offensively like Posey did. While Posey didn't have much besides his three-point shot, he was able to get to the line more and make more of those shots than Singleton. Plus, Posey generated more assists. That said, Singleton is doing a better job of limiting himself to high-efficiency shots than Posey did at the start of his career. In turn, that allows him to keep his turnover numbers down, which is always nice.
- While it's hard to analyze a whole lot defensively, Singleton looks promising on the defensive end. A lot of the advanced defensive metrics we have nowadays weren't available in Posey's rookie season, but we do know that on the whole, Posey held his own. The Nuggets had the same defensive rating with him on the court as they did off the court. That might sound average at first, but it's very few rookies avoid being defensive liabilities during that first season, which makes Singleton's numbers even more encouraging. The Wizards have been a better team this season defensively when he's on the floor. But in fairness, if we give Singleton the benefit of the doubt on his shooting percentages, we also have to discredit some of his defensive impact because of the quality of everyone else on the roster.
- To take the next step forward, Chris Singleton has to limit his fouling. Right now, Singleton is averaging 4.9 fouls per 36 minutes, compared to 3.6 for Posey. Singleton has to cut down on those fouls to get more playing time. As he gets a better feel for how fouls are called in the NBA, especially against top scorers, those fouls will come down, but if he can't get that number under 4 by the end of the season, you have to start getting worried about his ability to become a guy who can play big minutes in the future.
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I can't judge players on this god awful team
I think they can make an all-star player look bad on offense. For Singleton to shoot the ball better (he was shooting close to 50% from 3 point range, what happened?) he needs a rhythm and he is simply not part of an offensive flow. How often does Singleton get set up to take a 3? Especially in a half court offense. For him to be effective, they have to set him up like Lewis. He may get that role next season and maybe he will prove that shooting 48% is something he is capable of.
by hambonejackson on Feb 2, 2012 3:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
sometimes i think the biggest mistake we make is hoping or assuming that players who can't shoot
will develop reliable Js. For as much as Bruce Bowen always comes to mind the fact is at no point was he even making two 3pters per game- he topped out a 1.3 makes per night. Shane Battier was scoring 14pts/night as a rookie and hitting good percentages from midrange the day he walked into the league. Or Derrick Rose, his J from 16’-23’ was 43% his rookie year and it’s 44% this year yet the conventional wisdom seems to be his shot has been improving. Then there is Rondo, you know he works on it like crazy but it’s just not happening.
On our roster we have Wall, Craw, Singleton, Booker, and Vesely as players we think need to improve their Js to really succeed…but realistically and statistically, what are the chances it happens for even one of them let alone most of them?
regarding D-Rose
even if he’s been constant from 16 to 23 feet, he has got a lot better from 3-over 10% improvement from his rookie season.
j's don't develop
Or very seldom. You can’t teach height, and you can’t teach shooting either.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 3, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
If that were the case
there would be no good shooters… how many of us were born with a good jump shot?
You think Ray Allen practices 1000s of shots a day for the fun of it, or do you think it benefits him?
You can’t teach work ethic, but players with it will improve their flaws. Shooting is just muscle memory, which just requires much practice. You can certainly develop a jump shot.
by gray16 on Feb 3, 2012 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think they can make an all-star player look bad on offense
I think if we an allstar player we wouldn’t be such a bad team, right?
That depends
what if a player like Wall is an all star player and he looks bad.
by hambonejackson on Feb 3, 2012 4:43 AM EST up reply actions
This is the reason why I didn't love drafting him.
Why use a mid 1st round pick on a guy whose ceiling is the MLE? He almost changed my mind with his excellent play early in the season, but man has he been bad these last few weeks. I cringe every time he puts the ball on the floor. Posey sounds like a good role model. Much better than Pippen.
What else can one expect with the 18th pick?
by Mike Prada on Feb 2, 2012 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
18th pick from 1999-2010
James Posey
Quentin Richardson
Jason Collins
Curtis Borchardt
David West
J.R. Smith
Gerald Green
Don’t wanna talk about it
Marco Bellinelli
JaVale McGee
Ty Lawson
Eric Bledsoe
There’s a couple of guys on there that ended up being above MLE talent, but on the whole, mid-to-late 1st rounders’ ceiling is the MLE. If Singleton can get to that point, I think he’s a solid pick.
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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 2, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Don’t wanna talk about it
I did a quick search because I didnt know who you were talking about—-totally worth it.
by tw10 on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Oh god, did I say weak?
Adam Morrison(3), Tyrus Thomas(4), Shelden Williams(5), Randy Foye(7), Patrick O’Bryant(9), Mouhamed Sene(10), Hilton Armstrong(12), Cedric Simmons(15)…etc, etc. Terrible.
Who was it?
I am curious to know. Let me search as well.
Ok. Some weird name.
I guess “Don’t wanna talk about it” sounds better.
Depends on the draft
And the team. With so many young players already on the roster I think they could of taken a chance on Mirotic.
Singleton. You've got Vesely covered.
Just like you had Rubio covered. Or should I say Ricky Menudo?
I just dont get how you think that Singleton at 18th is bad pick because he may "only" be an MLE player
but that the skill-less Vesely at 6th is not a questionable decision.
Ves is more athletic
But, I don’t think anybody would say the decision was unquestionably right. Most people who liked the pick said it was a reasonable risk given his abilities.
I don't think Singleton is a bad pick.
I think there was better value pick available which is always the case with Ernie. As for #6, I wanted Valanciunas, and I still believe a realistic deal could of been made to move up and get him. After him everyone still looks to be on the same tier.
I was all for drafting Valanciunas
but Valaciunas is not that much longer than Vesely and Vesely is a lot more athletic and I think that makes up for the length difference. Vesely has a lot more range on his shot than Valanciunas does. He moves better. He is more diversified as a player and who needs Valanciunas when we have McGee. Duh!
by hambonejackson on Feb 2, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think Singleton will be better than Posey
Singleton is better at stealing and blocking shots. He’s more physically developed, being roughly 15 lbs heavier than Posey. Part of the reason his assist numbers are so low is because our shooting % as a team is pretty bad.
I really think with a dedicated shooting coach and a complete off-season he could return as something special.
I think he will prove to be different than Posey
Singleton is probably thinking Lewis on offense when we think of Posey and Bowen.
by hambonejackson on Feb 2, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions
Great article, can we have more of them please?
I know the rest of the rookies havn’t had much burn so it would be difficult, but we’ve so much youth on this roster it’d be fun to dream who they could turn out to be.
I’m quite happy with Singleton so far. Yes he’s had a downturn in the past few weeks, but he’s a rookie, all of them slump at some point or another. Heck even superstars go through bad phases even with all their experience. Singleton is not only a hard worker but he’s a clever guy with good bball IQ, he’ll get it. He was thrown in at the deep end against Melo early in the season and looked promising even if he got a beatdown, i’d like to see him put in those situations again at the end of games, he’ll get a head for clutch defence and the Wiz will be one step closer to having my dream twin defensive stars in him and Booker al la last year’s Tony Allen and Shane Battier.
kenyon martin
Clap clap clap clap clap. He’s a fa as of today. could account for a couple win for a young team
by no more kwame's in dc on Feb 2, 2012 5:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
don't think he'd be a good locker room presence
I hear the Clips are thinking about signing him
Why would he come here?
He’s looking for a ring.
Also, why we want him? He would take away minutes for Seraphin and McGee who were are trying to develop. He’s not good enough to get us in the playoffs. Best case scenario, he gets us out of the top 6 in the lottery and into the bottom half of the lottery. That’s not a win for us. I’d rather have a 10% more chance at Drummonds than 6 more wins this year.
Singleton was a better pick than Vesely...
We passed on so much talent @ 6…
by AFM on Feb 2, 2012 7:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
More trade bait
Until the Wiz can assemble 5 starters that are good and fit well together, players like Vesely,Booker, Singleton, etc. should be used as trade bait to get what the Wizards need in the starting 5. Namely, with Wall and McGee at the 1 and 5, they need players who are above average shooters at the 2, 3 and 4 (assuming that Young won’t be resigned).
by Izman on Feb 2, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Why do that ?
Then that would take away depth, unless we are going after a Dwight Howard that would be a mistake, if we are going to resign McGee I say we go after a PF and SG, and hopefully resign Young and bring him off the bench. That’s a nice lineup coming off the bench and versatility (PG) Mack,(SG) Young/Crawford, (SF) Young/Singleton, (PF) Booker/ Vesely, © Seraphin. I left Lewis and Blatche off because I am sure their days are numbered, so we probably could use a vet to come in behind Mack at PG, hopefully we use are cap space and Lottery Pick on a PF and SG, I also would not mind bringing back Turiaf or a vet at C.
really gutted at turiafs injury
He’s the best player we’ve received in a trade in ages, and I reckon we could have won at least one more game if he had been in the lineup
by BballBrit on Feb 3, 2012 6:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
because so far Vesely has been one of the worst rookies in his class and Singleton is projecting as James Posey
Now obviously their careers could be very much better (or worse) who knows, they just got started, can’t judge them. But given our position, if some team wanted to trade a young legit player we’d have to be ready to part with guys who are prospects and havent really shown all that much yet. Doesnt mean we give anyone away, but there are hardly any untouchables on a team this shitty.
wowowowow
I was just thinking about this the other day. Actually the thought process centered around players that can contribute on a championship team. I thought about Singleton and Booker being a Glen Davis/James Posey type of player. I don’t think neither are starters on a championship team unless the team philosophy is suffocating defense which is what they rely on to win games.

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