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Thoughts on Wall and last nights draft

Like many of us I was shocked, frustrated, mad, sad and disappointed. I think everybody felt Wall was disrespected. Part of it, I think, is Wizards bias as ilustrated by the 'Washington Generals' remark by Kenny. Another part of it is that Shaq and Chuck had to draft a team, not just go by BPA. Whatever the case, 4 Point Guards were taken over Wall last night. In order: Irving, Lin, Rubio, Walker and Wall. I decided to take a closer look at all of them to see how Wall stacks up.

Star-divide

Simple stats vary heavily with minutes played per game and don’t really tell you much. Per 36minutes stats aren’t ideal either imho since they assume that production increases linear with minutes played. So, I decided to look at the advanced stats because they tell you something about a players value when he’s on the court.

STAT.............Lin..............Irving............Wall..........Rubio...........Walker

TS%.......... ..58%............ 58%...............50%...........49%..............47.4%

eFG%..........51.4%..........54.2%............41.9%.........41.2%...........41.9%

PER……......24.2.............21.8...............17.6............16.1 ............15.0

AST%..........51.5%..........34.2%............35.8%.........40%..............22.6%

TOV%..........20.4%..........16.5%............19.9%........22.8%...........11.8%

WS………....1.2...............2.1.................1.2..............2.5.................0.3

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As you can see, Lin has truelly been rediculous. He shoots it at a very high clip, has a near MVP level PER and although he has a slightly higher turnover % than Wall, he has an insanely high assist% as well. There has never been a player this productive in his first 7 starts in the NBA. Many have reserves about him, since the samplesize is rather small, but what we have seen out him doesn't look fluky. His understanding of the P&R, his courtvision and feel for the game are just too impressive. Will he maintain these insane levels? Ofcourse not. Right now, though, even without considering the hype around him, he was rightly chosen over Wall imho.

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Irving has really impressed my, as I touched on in my last fanpost. He is exciting to watch and incredibly effecient as well. He is a threat from anywhere on the court to either pull up or drive by you. He get's in the paint at will and has incredible balance to finish consistantly at the rim. His PER shows he is playing at an all star level in the first half of his first (!!) season. This kid is going to be very special.

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Rubio's numbers don't stack up to John's. However, if you have watched a live game of the Timberwolves this yr, you know what I mean when I say that you can feel his presence when he's on the court. When he get's subbed (back) in, everybody in the arena and at home, feels something awesome is bound to hapen. His very high winshare of 2.5 is the only advanced stat that backs this up but man does Rubio have command. He is a true orchestrator. The stats can't capture his pressence I guess. This is is a kid you have to see play to know how good he is and what kind of impact he has on a game.

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Kemba's stats are not all that great in comparison to the others but for a rookie they are pretty damn solid. He's right at the level of Wall's rookie season stats. He isn't a great passer but he does have much better turnover numbers than Wall. All in all I don't see Kemba as a true point but more of a undersized, ball dominant 2 guard. That's a different discussion though.

To conclude

We were all baffled he got picked 12th but should we really? Irving for example has been head and shoulders above John. Lin and Rubio have tremendous value to their teams as true floor generals and they clearly make their teammates better. Also remember, these are rookies we are comparing to Wall's sophomore year.

Meanwhile, Wall has had a terrible season the first 20 games....oeff was it hard to watch. The last 10 have been better but I would argue that he is just now aproaching the level of his rookie year. He litterally lost a year's worth of developing. I hope he will now continue to get better and that he can make up for the lost time the second half of this season.

This represents the view of the user who wrote the FanPost, and not the entire Bullets Forever community. We're a place of many opinions, not just one.

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I can understand why he went behind Irving, Lin and Rubio

I just don’t get how he could go behind Kemba Walker.

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by Jake Whitacre on Feb 17, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Is Shaq a mentor of Javale...maybe there is a back story

worth looking into….

and with that, I have taken my tinfoil hat off

::)

(yes….folks…that was a joke)

by DavidDunn on Feb 17, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Good write up.

Thanks for taking the time to run the numbers.

I’m sure the night before, Shaq and Charles ran them too.

by mogoman on Feb 17, 2012 12:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

22 AST

is all i’m going to say…

by daca on Feb 17, 2012 2:16 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

The Wiz were the laughing stock of the league....

…only worse. That has to attach to Wall, who arguably is the leader. The taste simply isn’t gone yet. Everybody deserves part of the blame starting with Ted, EG, Flip, the big man coach, the med staff and on down the line, including many complacent fans and bloggers. Hopefully, they have learned the lesson and have turned the corner. But that could change again when Blatche returns….

by Izman on Feb 17, 2012 2:50 PM EST reply actions  

i'm sorry

but Kemba Walker plays for the Bobcats. How could the Wizards conceivably be a bigger laughingstock than them? The Wizards started 2-15 and are 5-9 since switching coaches- not a great record, but a huge improvement over winning less than 1 out of every 7 games.

by nichobert on Feb 19, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

They are.

Nobody is really talking about the bobcats. Just that they are bad. The Wizards though are talked about as the Generals and it takes at least 3 jokes and a rant to get to the next subject.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 19, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Have they announced who is competing in that skills challenge they do with the dunk/shootout contest?? I wonder if Wall is going to get snubbed from that as well

VOID!!!

by dt3 on Feb 17, 2012 3:00 PM EST reply actions  

I would rather have Wall

than any of those players you mentioned. Wall is bigger, faster, stronger, and more athletic than any of them. He can do things that none of them can do. Lets talk about Wall in 2 more seasons and lets see how that list looks.

by hambonejackson on Feb 17, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

John has been far superior to Rubio over the past month, it's not even close

we all know John had a terrible start to this season, but over the past few weeks he has elevated his play in a big way. I dont know what his PER is for that time, but the raw numbers are comparable to Lin’s 7 game streak.

Now of course Chuck and those fools shouldnt be expected to know let alone base decisions on just the past month….but for us fans, Wall’s play of late is 180 degrees from where he was to start the year and extremely encouraging.

by DCrez on Feb 17, 2012 8:13 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I agree with Hambone

I’ve been down on Wall but the last 10 or so games he’s looked significantly better. He has the potential to physically dominate games, on both sides of the ball, from the pg position.

After Lebron he’s the biggest threat to get a triple double. He’s averaging a block per game. He’s the fastest guy in the league.

Lin is a system guy and a turnover machine. Irving is just a good pg. Rubio is just a passer.

Wall set the record for assists in that stupid all star game.

Wall should be mentioned with Shaquille and Lebron as guys so physically gifted that the refs don’t know how to call them.

This whole thing pisses me off so much.

by edubz on Feb 18, 2012 10:16 AM EST reply actions  

Irving has the potential

to be a really, really good PG offensively. Maybe even great. Consider that the guy is shooting almost 50 percent in his rookie season on almost 14 attempts a game. He’s shooting 40 percent from 3 point range on 4 attempts a game. In the history of the game there aren’t even many great PG’s who had that kind of production to start their careers. He’s posting the kind of numbers that are even ahead of where a great SG like D-Wade was in his rookie season. So saying that the guy is “just a good pg” is selling his potential short.

by Vegas010 on Feb 19, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This past summer

Wall would talk about wanting the lock out to end so that he could get back to becoming a superstar. I truly believe that Wall expected this to be the year that he joined the ranks of Kobe, Dwight, Lebrun and Wade as the stars of the league.

All this summer league stuff convinced him that he was the man. Wall needs to get humble and play the game that happens rather than what he wants to happen

by WashtoLA on Feb 18, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Supporting cast matters . . .

especially when you are talking about Rubio or Lin, there is no comparison between the guys around them and Wall’s supporting cast. Irving and Walker are closer, in terms of the weakness of his supporting talent. In terms of creating looks for himself, and in terms of his shooting range, Irving has a big edge over Wall. But as a distributor and defender, Wall has more to offer.

I would still take Wall over every one of those other guys. The only really close call is Irving.

by Vegas010 on Feb 19, 2012 1:23 AM EST reply actions  

I dunno

Before the season, did you had Cleveland before us? Did you thought a Melo and Amare less NY Knicks was better than us?

Rubio is the most pure pg of them all and as such, he could have a Nash like career (Nash only came along after his rookie deal) Irving is on a path to be a true exceptional super star like Wade, Lin looks like he will be a an allstar too by next year. Wall has a Westbrook style game (though Westbrook is a bit more athletic and a better ball handler). Knight and Kemba are going to be solid players but I don’t see anything truly special yet as of now.

It’s going to be really interesting to see these guys develop the coming years. With Rose locked in for the next 10 all star games (baring injury) it’s going to be very interesting to see whom is getting the most of the reserve selections.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 19, 2012 5:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Knicks . . .

even without Melo and Amare still had Chandler and Landry Fields. Jared Jeffries has had a long career and has carved out a niche as a defensive player. They have more veteran personnel. If we swapped Nick Young and McGee at the start of the season for Fields and Chandler, I would be willing to put my money on Wall in a match-up against Lin.

Foresight isn’t really even relevant for purposes of a comparison, the bottom line is that Lin’s supporting case IS significantly better — even without Melo and Stoudamire. As far as Cleveland goes, same story, albeit by a smaller margin. The veterans that they have are less washed up, and more relevant than our guys — that matters.

It’ll be very interesting to see how things go over the next few years. We should have a much clearer picture by then. Don’t mean to take anything away from Lin either — what he has done is pretty amazing and he is clearly a perfect fit for the Knicks. Irving is also having a great season. I still love what Wall does and think from a rebuild perspective that he is a great piece to have. Rubio is having a good season too. Agreed regarding Knight and Walker, being a notch below (e.g. NBA caliber players, but not franchise type guys).

by Vegas010 on Feb 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, we obviously dissagree here and that's ok.

But do you remember when Bibby played with that team sans Melo and Amare?

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 20, 2012 4:30 AM EST up reply actions  

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