Golden State Is A Likely Partner
This is me doing my best Detective Jimmy McNulty impersonation, but there are several facts that lead me to believe that there is a likely opportunity for the Wizards and Golden State Warriors to partner for a major trade this summer.
- The Warriors offered DeAndre Jordan 4 years $42.7 million, but that offer was matched by the Clippers
- Warriors GM Jerry West recently said "We need more chips, more players, and we'll have the capability next year," he said. "We need to solve our one glaring need at center, and once you have some chips, that's when you can make a trade or shake things up to get something you don't have. It's challenging, but I'm confident that it can be done." via the SF Chronicle.
- The Warriors have a gluttony of SG's.
- The Wizards need to find a long term replacement at SG.
The dots all seem to connect to me, as I could see the Warriors being willing to deal one of there SG's for a shot blocking/rebounding center like McGee, who posses the quickness to keep up with their tempo.
Warriors SG's:
- Monta Ellis: 26 years old, is due to make $11 mil next season, with a $11 mil player option the following year.
- Stephen Curry: 23 years old, is one year away from becoming an RFA.
- Klay Thompson: 22 years old and in the first year of his rookie deal.
Keep in mind that the Warriors will most likely not have a '12 draft pick, unless it's a top 7 pick, from a trade with Utah.
How about McGee (sign and trade), along with either Crawford or Singleton for Monta Ellis?
Then make a serious run at Brook Lopez in free agency?
Thoughts?
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NO MONTA
yes to curry and maybe clay. If we get the number 1 pick, traded it as well as young and baltche and get their number 1 and curry
So let me make sure I got this right… If we win the lottery and get the #1 overall pick you suggest we package that pick with 2 other players and trade them to golden state for a combo guard with chronic ankle problems and a pick in the 10-13 range???
(we will ignore that nick is on a one year contract and would have to be S&Ted)
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No Lopez, please
possibly the worst big name defending/rebounding C in the league
But
Pair him with say Davis, Drummond, MKG, or T-Rob in the draft, plus Booker and Vesely, allowing Lopez to primarily focus on scoring 20 ppg and getting his 8 rpg, while letting the “dogs” do the dirty work. Plus there’s a 3rd year Seraphin coming off the bench to do the “yeoman’s work”.
by SpecialSauce on Feb 13, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
I agree so much
There is no other “highly perceived” big man I’d want less
by jakenbake on Feb 14, 2012 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Want Steph, Highly Unlikey
I know they are gonna want to lock Steph up. But if they were willing to throw 40 mil at Deandre Jordan, 7 mil. at Kwame Brown, they would jump quick at trying to get Javale. I’d try to push for Steph and let him play SG.
I think if Curry came here, he'd be in a similar position as with Golden State where he and Wall would share point guard duties
Wall would defend the taller guard on the other team in a man to man scenario in most scenarios of course.
My fear
The ankle doesn’t look great, and he’d be dealing with THE WIZARDS’ MEDICAL STAFF. Until there are significant changes, I think we need to look at “injury prone” guys in the worst possible light, because clearly what we have going here isn’t going to keep them healthy
Can someone tell me when the last 7footer with McGee's athleticism who can put up a double double every 4-6 games was traded?
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They don't
McGee can be a completely immature bone-head at times but he’s still one of the top upcoming centers in a league devoid of centers. He’s the closest thing to Dwight Howard besides Dwight Howard. He’s made some pretty good strides this season (especially once Wittman took over and everyone got over Dunk-Gate). I waffle alot of JaVale but I would HATE to see him get traded and become a star somewhere else like Webber, Hamilton and Wallace did in the 90s. Especially to see him traded for a ball dominate shot jacker (we already got 2 of those) like Monta.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Feb 13, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
he's not the closest thing to Dwight Howard...not close at all
He’s athletic and 7 foot, but that’s where the comparison ends. Lacks all the physicality that Howard brings. Deandre Jordan is closer to Howard than McGee and he’s not close either.
by Staybon on Feb 14, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mcgee is a better player than Jordan. He is a better scorer already and I think if he gets more consistent touch on is hook shot your are looking at a 18-20 point a night scoring center. He is 3 inches taller and a lot longer. Mcgee still needs to work on his screen setting and just overall basketball IQ. However, his basketball IQ is leaps and bounds better than last season.
by gregjohnson1229 on Feb 17, 2012 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
McGee is a better scorer because he plays on a shitty team. DeAndre's basketball IQ is much higher than JaVale's although he is a year younger.
He knows his role. He would be scoring more than JaVale if you swapped them.
If JaVale was fresh out of HS his BBall IQ would be understandable. The problem is he spent 2 seasons at Nevada and this is his 3rd year with the Wizards. I would take DeAndre over JaVale 8 days a week. At least DeAndre’s isn’t momma’s little bitch.
The problem is that McGee's athleticism
is matched by an extremely low basketball IQ.
Resigning McGee could turn out to be a fantastic move. Or it could be a disaster that kills our team for 2-3 years.
That’s the McGee dilemma.
If we resign him
He’ll still be tradeable. 7 footers with his athleticism are a hot commodity in the league.
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Kwame Brown was not athletic. And could only rarely record a double double.
And…he got Michael Jordaned mentally.
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He had midget hands . . .
and he wasn’t as nearly athletic as McGee. But he was drafted #1 overall for a reason — he was very mobile and athletic for a guy who was almost 7 foot. For whatever reason — injuries, weight gain, lack of motivation — he lost that edge by year 4. But he showed some flashes in those first few years.
It was actually 2003-2004 where he was a fairly consistent double-double machine. Look again at the numbers from January forward. In particular, he had a nice stretch of four games in March 13-19 where he posted 90 points on 68 percent shooting, and had 47 rebounds (e.g. 22.5 pts a game, 11 rebounds — that’s 22.5 points a game on 68.6 percent shooting).
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3511/gamelog;_ylt=AptVJGS5ZoqPsncy0c4t1pCMPKB4?year=2003
Of course that didn’t turn out to be representative of what his work would be like the rest of his career, but in that season he had 18 double-doubles — that works out to about 4 a game. And he just turned 22 at the end of that season.
No thank you
No Monta (see above). I’d love me some Steph Curry knocking down kick out 3s, but theres no way GS lets him leave barring total insanity. Lopez is massively overrated.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Feb 13, 2012 12:32 PM EST reply actions
I agree about GS wanting JaVale
and I’d love to get Thompson. He’s a great fit next to JW. We may have to take Biedrins and the 18M over 2 years owed to him.
Thompson
Biedrins
Warriors second rounder (originally the Net’s pick)
Eh, if JaVale forces our hand we can do better. We’d also have the option of bringing in a 3rd team who’s a better fit for Ellis. PHX, Houston, ORL… If you’re the T-Wolves is Derrick Williams worth pairing Monta Ellis with Love and Rubio?
Is this the same perception the league had on Gil around the time he was in his prime?
I mean Monta is one of the league’s best scorers. Are his deficiencies and issues so bad that even bottom dwellers like ourselves can say hell no we’re not interested in him? I’m just curious. I never could gauge the league and national media’s perception of Gil(and I’m talking pre-injury).
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by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2012 11:39 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
well, i think anyone who acquires Monta is committing to him as the central focus of your offense
just as we did when we nabbed Gil….with Wall on board, is there any reason we would Monta holding the ball 60% of the time?
but i get your point for sure, we definitely have a tendency to scoff at some solid players like they are junk while we rot in the cellar
That's a good comparison. Only the Warriors look a lot more promising than the old Big Three.
If I was Golden State I would use Monta and a couple picks as trade bait for a big. No one that is actually available comes to mind, although Utah probably has one of the deepest frontcourts in the league. The problem is that the two guys that would fit—Kanter and Favors—are probably going to be impossible for the Warriors to get. Millsap is too small to play next to David Lee and Al Jefferson would not fit their system.
I like Dorell Wright also
good shooter that can do a little of everything and I think GS doesn’t use him enough
yeah I like Wright
Wright, Thompson, Kwame for McGee and Young.
Wright is SF
The Warriors don’t have 3 young SF’s on their roster, they have one. If you look at West’s quote at the top, he says that he’ll use his assets to fill their hole at center. Their assets are their 3 SG’s.
by SpecialSauce on Feb 14, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wright's not the only SF on their team
he’s the best, but not the only one. Plus Thompson is one of those SGs. Young could play SF for them. He’s big enough – especially for how they like to play. He probably should play some SF for us with Wall and Mack at the guard spots. Plus he’d provide what Wright provides for them 3 point shooting.
if i’m the Warriors I probably don’t make the trade (just cause I don’t see McGee as being that good), but I would if I’m the Wiz (cause I don’t see McGee as being that good and I get Wright and Thompson).
Wright & Thompson
Would definitely give the Wizards some much needed outside scoring. I’d be all for that scenario of acquiring 2 top rotation players for one FA (McGee) and use that cap space to find a center that fits the “system”, even on a short term, high dollar contract for a veteran player if that’s best.
by SpecialSauce on Feb 14, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Trading Javale in some sort of package for Wright and Thompson would only make sence if we have the #1 pick
We’ll lose a center prospect for 2 wing pieces. Drafting Barnes, MKG etc would become irrelivant since we now have a hole to fill at C.
We’d need Davis or Drummond but they are only available at the very top of the board. We do not know where we will pick come march 15th (trade deadline) so this is a very tricky deal to make
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 14, 2012 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
We need to do something.....
Maybe we should get this guy in our crowd to rev up the home court advantage!!
by jonnyplastic@yahoo.com on Feb 14, 2012 1:28 AM EST reply actions
The best thing to get for McGee right now.
Is a draft pick, that way you can level out the playing field on draft night and make trades with the pick for Mcgee and our 1st round draft pick, there would be so many opportunities to acquire talent with two high draft picks in a deep draft.
Forgot to mention.
We have loads of money as well, so we could buy draft picks and package the pick we got for Mcgee to move up or land us supreme talent, and still have our lottery pick. I also think it would be best to wait till draft day, because well really any move we make now wouldn’t bring much of a WOW factor unless we get Howard, but the buzz we would create on such a platform like the NBA Draft and in the Big lights of New York City we would be the talk of the town and that I think would play a major role for us landing FA’s the very next week after.
McGee can't be traded on draft day since he is a RFA
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 14, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry I didn't make it clearer for you.
I said if we are going to trade him, we are going to have to trade him now anyways, I was talking about using the pick we got for McGee on Draft night in other trades during the draft to acquire more talent or buying another pick to package with the McGee pick to move up or use both picks to get grade A talent and still have our own lottery pick to draft grade A talent.
Gotcha
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 14, 2012 3:50 PM EST up reply actions
I would also do.
A BOYD type deal around the deadline, and if that’s not good enough entice them with sending cash consideration back too. The Wizards are not as bleak as it seems with the cap flexibility we have we just need the right minds in the FO making those decisions. I know this may sound crazy with a roster full of rookies, but we have so many holes to fill, I would be all for stock piling draft picks, that way you can wheel and deal and not necessarily draft a need, but trade for one. EXP: Javale and cash to the Bucks for their pick and Stephen Jackson and Dunleavy. I know that would leave a hole at Center, but we have Turiaf and Seraphin needs to show what he can do now to go forward with this team, he’s been here about as long as Booker and Book’s making a impact and Seraphin was drafted higher. Then in the off-season go after Hibbert, Howard (I am still dreaming), etc.
I say Bucks because they are a middle of the pack team at best, and if we could buy a pick we could use the McGee pick and the pick we bought to move up and as injury riddled as the Bucks are they are one Jennings injury away of downsliding, and Jennings does get hurt. I like Dunleavy he’s a nice coming off the screen shooter and Stephen Jackson is a headcase, but he’s capable of getting bucket’s and when his head is right a good leader, or the third option buy him out to go play for a contender. Don’t get me wrong I am not saying this is what I want done just giving a example of what we should be seeing done during the rebuild.
Golden State of Mind have touched this topic already
http://www.goldenstateofmind.com/2012/1/30/2758506/javale-mcgee-and-rashard-lewis
I’d do the trade if it was Curry instead of Monta, but I doubt GS would do it. Otherwise, Biedrins contract is just too unattractive.
A trade of McGee+Shard+JV for Monta+Biedrins+Udoh+Thompson is something I would do, but once again, I doubt they’d do it
Warriors Fan (sorry for the long post)
I used to follow DC basketball (one of my friends lived there for a few years – during the Jordan-Kwame era, sorry about that), but I’m not really up on the current team.
Unlike many GSW fans, I would like to see the team go into rebuilding mode immediately. This means essentially tanking the rest of the season, so that the W’s can get their top-7-protected pick back from Utah. I also think that the team should shed salary rather than committing it to JaVale. Anyway, here’s a trade proposal that’s probably unrealistic, but would hopefully help both teams in the long-term:
Rashard Lewis; Jan Vesely (would fit better on a high-scoring team); Filler (Jordan Crawford?); 2012 1st-round pick (7-10 range, due to team’s improvement) FOR David Lee (almost 20-10 in the West, good passer, defense not that great); Monta Ellis (borderline all-star, scored career-high 48 a week ago, defense – see Lee); Dorell Wright (another scorer), Ekpe Udoh (defensive specialist), 2012 2nd round pick (from NJ – probably in the 35-range), 2013 2nd round pick (probably in the mid-30’s also)
Would this be enough to get your draft pick? Would the Wizards want to commit to improving the team now or shed salary and take a chance in the lottery?
by Lynch's Golf Cart on Feb 14, 2012 6:06 PM EST reply actions
I'm one of the few that would probably say this is tempting
But ask the Clippers how trading high lottery draft picks without protections goes. And especially in this draft, I’m not interested in giving that up for what you’re offering. So give me something like top 8 protection this year, top 6 protection next year…
You’re giving up a bunch of good players. But they have individually, or as teammates, yet to show they are more than stat stuffers who don’t win a ton of games. And we’d be giving up TWO high lottery picks. Close but no cigar.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2012 11:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Hah, rebuilding mode sounds nice until you have to watch the god awful games.
The Warriors are one of the most entertaining teams in the league. I think you should just have fun watching them.
Short of Mark Jackson inventing some type of time machine and bringing back a young Chris Mullin I wouldn’t touch anyone on the Warriors roster with a 10 foot pole. I am amazed at how some of you are under valuing javale. Sure he has his faults but we are talking about a 24 year old, legit 7 footer with an athletic skill set that what… 2, maybe 3 players in the league can replicate.
I mean am I taking crazy pills here?? BOY fing D?!!??!! Hoping that late season drop offs can net us a pick in the 8-12 range. Either of these moves would make the Richmond/Webber, Rubio/Miller trades look like gasol/Kwame.
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by dt3 on Feb 14, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Before you reply read.
I said this is not something I want done, but moves we should be making during the rebuild, as in if we are going to trade McGee I would like to get back picks no matter who else is involved in the trade, but honestly your legit 7 ft comments are getting old I don’t think the GM’s around the NBA are GAGA for McGee so we probably are going to have to add something else to the puzzle if we expect a high pick in return.
I apologize if it came off like I was singling you out (though I can see how you would have taken it that way). My comment was directed to the community as a whole, that IMO, is drastically, undervaluing McGee.
I disagree with you as far as amassing picks go as well, at some point all these additional picks start going from a positive to a negative. I already think we are at a point when we need to start grouping together some of our quantity and packaging it together to trade for quality. If we continue to bring in 3-4 young, promising players each year we are not only going to limit/stunt their growth due to lack on consistent playing time but we are also going to, inevitably, watch a young player leave only to become the next Jeremy Lin (Ndiaye?? /sarcasm)
For all we know multiple GMs are GAGA over McGee. If they were what would be the point of outing themselves and/or letting others know how much they like him. Any GM worth their custom suit tailoring bill would slowplay it up until the trading deadline and see how little they could give up for the LEGIT SEVEN FOOTER.
Speaking of which… that comment you made about my legit 7 foot comments getting old. I think you may be confusing me with someone else. I have always been a big JPM fan but after doing a comment search I can confidently say that this thread is the only 2 times I have used the phrase.
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by dt3 on Feb 15, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
agree McGee is being undervalued in this thread -- cannot dump him
He’s a pinhead, I’m conflicted. But trading him for Monta Ellis?? Or even Steph Curry? I’m with dt3, here. McGee is an absolute freak of nature at the hardest position to fill — he is still very young, and he has shown improvement this year (I was quite dispirited by early February, when he regressed, but it really does seem that this was an asthma issue).
As someone else said, if they pay him and it doesn’t work out, he’s unlikely to be untradeable — skilled big men seldom are. (And for whomever made the Kwame comparison, remember, we got Caron for Kwame after Kwame failed to develop.)
I understand the frustration with him, and it could go wrong, but I think they have to re-sign him, presuming they can do so for $10-12m a year. Otherwise, they’re just hitting reset again.
Wall + McGee + very high pick + Booker + emerging role players + cap room = a team with potential. Take McGee away, even if you’re adding a good SG, and that potential drops quite a lot.
He's a LEGIT SEVEN FOOTER and a LEGIT SEVEN FOOTER. That's it.
He will not be the only legit seven footer in the NBA trust me there is a guy in Kentucky who might be better than McGee coming out in a few months from now. Also I didn’t say trade for picks to draft players no, I said we could use those picks in trade’s to acquire talent or package pick’s to move up and get some bonafide talent in a deep draft, that’s one or two draft pick’s with talent that clearly would get PT over some of the draftee’s we have now.
by p.robb87 on Feb 16, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how many..
All Star Games / All-Defensive Team nods will Marc Gasol have to rack up over the next decade for people to remember that Memphis really needed to go into rebuilding mode instead of being a perrenial 7-8 seed with Pau Gasol? Memphis is Exhibit 1 about how to trade a superstar and rebuild your team over a few years.
Trading JVM before the deadline
Makes absolutely no sense IMO.
Tender him, then try to re-sign him. Keep the dialogue open so if he decides to accept an offer as a RFA we know what the trade market might look llike. Thats where you get the most out of a trade.
The problem is that draft takes place before free agency
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If the Wizards don’t commit their future to McGee, then they need to draft Davis. If they do want to retain him, then they can pick Barnes, MGK or Lamb.
If we draft Barnes and McGee leaves, Blatche gets amnestied and Turiaf joins a contender for the vet minimum (hes unrestricted I believe), then we have Booker and Seraphin to save our lives…..
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 16, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
Davis almost certainly go #1 and we'd have to pick him regardless of anything else.
actually i think Mcgee/Davis would be a very intimidating frontcourt
It's one of those things
You don’t know if it would work until you tried it.
I personally don’t think it would work. The postseason is about matchups. And any team with all-star post player would have a terrible advantage on us in a 7 game series.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2012 12:10 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
because Davis is about 215 pounds?
everyone is saying he is KG2.0 so i’m assuming he will be a stud defender….but yeah when i look at him he appears absurdly skinny
I don't like to assume dudes are gonna be HOF good
If he’s KG, hell yes you take him. I guess you kinda opened my eyes a bit though because I’ve been pretty closed minded about Davis just because I saw him as a bad fit. But if you do think he’s KG 2.0 you take him regardless. Because it doesn’t appear that there are any other ones in this draft.
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by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2012 1:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm not thinking picks for JVM. I'd want players.
regardless there will be another draft and we’ll take a pick in 2013 if thats how it works out.
IMO The draft being in the past helps us determine what pieces we’d ask for in return. If we land a big in the draft then we can afford to go after a wing, and vice versa.
We have no leverage in a S&T just like Orlando hasn't in if they don't trade DHoward at this deadline
the only reason the sign and trade is there is to give the player his cake and let him eat it too. The player gets the full 5 years and 10% annual raises instead of 4 years with 8% raises.
The team he leaves cooperates because they atleast get something in return. The team get’s a trade exception for sure and is at the mercy of the the other team to get a 2nd round pick or 2 and the rights to a 2008 draft and stash Euro.
I am not talking about a CP3 or Carmelo type sign and trade because they were regular in-season trades and the player agreed to sign an extension come summer time. Deron Williams is another one but he was traded 2 summers before his deal expired while the others were traded during their last contract year.
The Dwight Howard situation is actually more comparable as he will either will be traded at the deadline or he will walk via a S&T while Orlando is left with nothing (i.e. a trade exception and a LA Lakers 2015 second round pick).
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 16, 2012 6:04 PM EST up reply actions
with more time...
Dwight is an opt-out as were the other superstars. None of those teams had the right to match the offer and keep them. We do. So those aren’t applicable.
We want JVM. We’re willing to match, but we realize there may some advantage to trading him for the right pieces. Thats especially true depending on how the draft works out and how much he may sign for. If they don’t put together a deal to our liking, we match, retain our starting Center and figure things out from there.
Also makes no sense trading for Javale before the deadline
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by returnofswagger on Feb 17, 2012 12:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Actually it works in the Wizards favor.
Again you have your right to a opinion but, I do as well and I think it’s ridiculous to think all of a sudden McGee is going to figure things out after four year’s and there basic things he has to learn like boxing out, setting picks, etc. I mean really whats to wait for when you can replace a ineffective Center when ever, and so what averages x,y, and z it’s not resulting in wins.
Could you
Could you point out the advantages to trading him before the deadline for the Wizards and/or the receiving team?
IMO, the better deal will be made with the team who wants him this summer. The only advantage I can see to moving him before the deadline would be to get a pick in the upcoming draft. We can still get a draft pick over the summer, but for the 2013 draft. A deal over the summer, should we choose not to match, is more likely to include veteran help coming back instead of a salary dump before the deadline.
Right.
So we can have another Young situation next year, I will pass if we get a good offer bye bye Javale. People get all pumped up because he has one good week against average comp, don’t look at the team, but the position which is MIA Randolph, Det Monore, who by the way is better suited at the 4, Por Camby, remember this guy played against MJ when Mike was in his hay day dude is only averaging 3.9 pts and 7 reb this year, then against Jordan, he only grabbed like 6 reb’s stop it McGee is a flying run and jump 7 ft athlete which you can find anywhere and if not 7 ft you can get something close to 7 ft with a wingspan up to 7ft. The jury is still out on the 4th year player McGee by the way.
regardless of Camby's averages
The guy is a great defender. Also he’s averaging 9.5 rebounds in 24 minutes per game. In 09-10 he had the highest rebounding rate in the league, I’m not sure where he ranks this year but his percentages are better than the 09-10 year. Not a big offensive presence but he plays smart and helps his team in all the ways Javale doesn’t.
And he’s 6’11, 220.. Body size can only take you so far. Players with heart can routinely outplay bigger stronger players just by putting in the effort on every play. Anthony Davis could be that guy for a long time. I really wish the draft came after free agency sometimes.

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