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Washington Wizards Defeat Detroit Pistons as John Wall Goes Franchise

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Well, the curse of the Sunday game at the Palace has been lifted.

Tonight was an evening that gives one a better perspective of the player that John Wall can be on a night when his teammates work to his skillset. After a rough first quarter in which Wall once again attempted to force the action on both the fast break and in the passing lanes, he exploded late in the third quarter to put forth a dominant stretch of basketball and simply imposed his will upon the game. Whether it was finding McGee on the alley-oop, making a pinpoint pass to Jan Vesely, finding Nick Young in the corner, or simply hitting his own jumper or disrupting the passing lanes, Wall terrorized the Pistons on both ends of the court and basically blew them out of their own building. For those who have been waiting for the John Wall we are all promised, this should serve as example A as to what he is capable of when focused and only playing at 80% of his ability. It was the first game we have seen from Wall where he dominated without scoring, a CP3esque trait, and one hopes it will not be the last.

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Quick hits before we all celebrate our second road win

  • JaVale McGee had a great game tonight and appears to be coming out of his fugue state. He played within his ability, frightened every Pistons shooter who came near the paint, and was rewarded for his efforts on the other end with picture perfect oops. His defensive positioning was solid throughout, and he even committed to a a few hard picks on the offensive end.
  • Jan Vesely had his best game of his young career, filling up the stat sheet and flying all over the place. His value on the floor increases tenfold when the opposition has to close out Wall and Young, allowing more space for Jan to position himself for the cutter and easy putbacks. Defensively, he battled on the glass and for the most part retained position and outhustled his Piston counterparts.
  • Minor quibble - I think both Wall and McGee should have been allowed to rest when the lead was extended past 20. It might be a coaching tactic on WIttman's part to allow the team to enjoy the win, but the next few legs of this road trip are going to be murderous.
  • Following up on that thought, Wittman cannot expect to run eight men deep and expect continued success.
  • Nick Young started with some poor 1 on 1 but starting leaking out to the perimeter and as the game went on resemble the Nick Young of last year. It will be interesting to note going forward whether Young's play improves along with the play of Wall as Young has been forcing the issue for much of the season. Worryingly, his defensive intensity didn't seem to be there tonight, but on the whole it was a solid night's work.
  • Someone needs to find who kidnapped the real Chris Singleton and replaced him with a pod person.
  • I wish Rashard Lewis would show up for games every 2 out of 5 games rather than every 1 of 8.
  • Jordan Crawford had another very bad, no good, horrible game.

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Two road wins before the halfway point for this season!

HIP HIP! HOORAY!!!!
HIP HIP! HOORAY!!!!
HIP HIP! HOORAY!!!!

by thewiz06 on Feb 12, 2012 8:42 PM EST reply actions  

We whooped em

good for a change. celebrate the win, but let’s prepare for the next one. no need for over celebration

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by XAGMNINETY on Feb 12, 2012 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

Yes I do.

Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.

by BM22 on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Wall looked great

For what I was able to catch, basically the second half. When he starts to get a call or two on the break it will do wonders for his game. I think he is a bit like Shaquille was, such a unique talent with his speed the refs don’t quite know what to don with him.

by edubz on Feb 12, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Good win

i think it woulda been really bad for the team if we dropped this one

by KurisuDevil on Feb 12, 2012 9:00 PM EST reply actions  

Wall, Mcgee and Jan won this game for us

I gotta give Vesely props I was hard on him early in the game but he was huge in the 3rd quarter.

Wall when he really looks for the bigs to pass to is much more effective then always looking for Young.

by jazzy1 on Feb 12, 2012 9:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

you nailed it

I loved Ves’s effort when he played. But the big thing to day was that John made people better. The CP3 comparison Sean made was an excellent one. He made the game easy for Javale and others and we looked great tonight.

We have an elite talent at pg and center. With more games like this, we may actually get to see these guys grow together in the future.

Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time

by samoka10 on Feb 12, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy there killer

The Pistons suck and their entire team standing on each other’s shoulders is a foot shorter than JaVale.

by Unselds on Feb 12, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Monroe is no bum though

Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time

by samoka10 on Feb 12, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

True, but he ain't a defensive juggernaut either

He has a great all around offensive game but defensively, he lacks the quickness, strenght and athleticism to ever be elite. He is only a sophomore though, so if he becomes a solid defender and a elite offensive player, watch out. I think he will be an All Star for years and years to come.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions  

This is what Im most confused about

Folks were talking him up around draft time and I didn’t have the pleasure of seeing him play in college (where he was supposedly a very good player/winner) so I don’t know what his game is about. I’m not seeing that, I know he is a rookie but he was also said as being experienced.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 12, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Well, you saw it in his first 5 games. I dunno what happened to him after that though

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:05 AM EST up reply actions  

rookie wall

First year players usually reach a point in the season where their game falls off because of conditioning issues. The NBA season is a LOT longer than the college season.

Toss in the condensed schedule and lack of training camp, and I think this is totally excusable. Dude has shown flashes of something special. he’s gotta be run ragged at this point. Another year or two of conditioning will do wonders, though.

by sierradave on Feb 13, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

After 1 month?!

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I will bring it up again...on the radio this week, Danny on 106.7 said he was being

ostracized by the team…it seemed like he had some type of inside info, but he pointed to the lack of camaraderie between him and the team when he does something well and his interaction with the team on the bench. For instance he said after hitting a three, coming into a timeout, no one high fived him or acknowledged him.

I remember the we are losers comments, and Randy in his intro presser saying you don’t just get minutes around here. I wonder if there is some resentment somewhere.

This is all conjecture from Danny, but it may be something to watch for…

by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I saw him chatting with Blatche a few games ago

So it isn’t like he’s getting the silent treatment. He does seem like a quiet, weird and brooding type of guy though so you never know.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 12, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Still, it's alarming if true and would explain Singleton not looking like himself lately.

I don’t know him personally but even if he is a weird dude, it’s very childish to shut him out. John, as the leader of this team shouldn’t allow that to happen.

Mike, can you ask someone about this? Maybe talk to Mo Evans and make him an ‘anonymous source’ ;-)

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:09 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe hitting the rookie wall.

But that he is starting he faces more fierce competition.
Anyone could lose confidence after playing Lebron, Battier or the like. And sure it’s tired to play those minutes that rookies need to adjust.
Give him some time.

Like you said, I don’t know him but it’s not like he has done super terrible things to make the team isolate him or something.

by isum on Feb 13, 2012 5:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad we started the road trip with a W. Schedule not getting easier after this. Probably won’t get another win until the Bucks,Kings, or Suns.

by Jordo on Feb 12, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Rashard had his 15,000th point today

so congrats to him on a milestone during a 14 year NBA career.

by thewiz06 on Feb 12, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Congrats to him

Wiz fans – show him some love as well.

by isum on Feb 12, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally forgot

I think that makes him only the 3rd player (along with Pierce and ) in NBA history to have:

15,000 points
5000? rebounds
1500? 3pt made

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 12, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Some pretty hilarious comments and pics over at Detroit Bad Boys

and lots of Rhino poop….you’ve been warned.

Thought it was funny someone mentioned Jan Vesley and Austin Daye are a lot alike and both “really bad”….LOL…first of all, Jan is already an infinitely better player than Austin daye at absolutely all facets of the game aside from shooting (which Daye has sucked at this year). Secondly…

Someone else said Greg Monroe and JaVale were similar….? Oh man…do they not know how good Greg Monroe is…

by DCeee on Feb 12, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

My take on the graveyard game via DVR

just finished watching and haven’t read anything other than the title of this thread. Will go back to the game thread shortly.

1. That place was dead. It looked empty, sounded empty, and felt like a graveyard. Wow. As bad as it seems sometimes around the phone booth sometimes, it hasn’t been that bad all season, even during the raptors game.

2. I think John Wall at home, on the plane, and in the team hotel, watched the Knicks game 10 times. That looked just like Lin and Chandler to me, all night. It was as if it clicked. Pace, correct decisions, skip passes, thinking about the pass first, using his athleticism and scoring threat as a way to open up the options for the team instead of forcing the offense, almost never out of control. How nice was it to see John smiling? Remember that feeling Jimmy. Remember it.

That’s my point guard.

Let’s see if they can keep doing it.

3. Very good game by Javale and Nick. They did what was expected, although for a brief period Nick became a big time ball stopper. Why doesn’t he realize how much better he is as a catch and shooter.

4. Loved the active Defense. Feet moving, hands moving, talking. Not sure what got into these guys today, but whatever they did, keep doing it…maybe someone told them about the JVG comments. Who knows.

5. Vesely again showed he is a great hustle player. But he is going to have to become an offensive threat somehow to keep the defense honest. But on this team, just the fact that he hustles and runs the floor well sets him apart, which says as much about his teammates as him.

6. Mo Evans should never see the court again. He is literally doing nothing other than taking up space and slowing the team down. As a matter of fact, I would cut him if there is a D league player they want to test out. Othyus would be a better option in my opinion with this particular team.

7. Finally, I am just going to chalk Crawford’s game up to being at home and trying to impress friends and family, because there was nothing redeeming about that his game. Nada.

by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

That summed it up wonderfully. Book flew under the radar but also had a quietly effective game. Mo Evans had a couple good games by finishing 3s off the catch and playing defense but he hasn’t done that lately. I’m happy with him being phased out of the rotation.

That’s my point guard hahahahaha, I could see Dray giving the same weeping comments.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 12, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Where did this effective pick and roll come from?

I will totally eat my shoe re: JVM and JV if they continue to do that

by Maroon and Black on Feb 12, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Loved the staggered screen

First JaVale, then Vesely.

With Wall continuing on to the Vesely screen and not looking to turn the corner right away, JaVale was able to hold his picks, making them much more effective.

Vesely is a sneaky bastard with his screens, hiding behind JaVale until the last moment and making the subtle, last second adjustments necessary to set a really effective (borderline illegal) pick.

Wall did a great job of getting the ball to whoever had an open lane to the basket. Dunks galore!

by yop32 on Feb 13, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

you can cut and paste that into every thread...

but he still had a relatively good game with a lot less ball stopping than usual…

let’s not criticize just for the sake of it…

by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Nahh Nick never has a good game

our SG can go 8-13 and play good D but he will always get killed on this site

by koop1122 on Feb 12, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Only when people make sarcastic comments to stoke the fire

Young is always going to be subject to criticism because of his playing style and just like there are people who criticize him, there are those who can’t stand the though of someone thinking he does anything wrong. The whole thing is becoming very tired and repetitive in my opinion.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Feb 12, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

every game thread that is..it is the status quo...

but everyone misses “a pass”….when has a bad game, lets criticize, when he has an average game, let’s talk about the positives and negatives, and when he has a good game, lets say so.

by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Monroe was awesome

I would trade javale for him in a heartbeat

by Marine4Life51 on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He is legit

I wanted us to find a way to trade for him so bad… would give up our 1st rounder this year in a heartbeat. But I highly doubt we have enough to offer for him now…

by koop1122 on Feb 12, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

i was surprised how strong monroe is

damn son, he’s going to be good! Don’t remember him being that physical ever at G’town. IIRC he used to contort around players to finesse it in. Great to see him developing so well though

by FTT on Feb 12, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

not impressed Monroe is using his quicks against centers but is giving up buckets easy horrible defender

He gave up 22 to Mcgee by being inattentive to the defensive end once he moves to pf if they get a legit center then we’ll see.

by jazzy1 on Feb 13, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions  

i agree

Monroe needs a perkins like player next to him

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by samoka10 on Feb 13, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

espn's half-time show is so whack btw

Its embarrassing how badly they want to be like TNT. Also, wilbon is trash ahaha

by FTT on Feb 12, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions  

So John Wall's February stats are now:

15 ppg
8.4 apg
4.1 rpg
45% fg
1.4 spg
1 bpg
3.7 topg

He’s been playing better as the season has gone on, and this month is no different. This is his first poor shooting night since the Magic game, and he managed to make up for it with his other abilities (as he did in that game somewhat as well).

Hopefully this is a sign that he just was having a little sophmore slump, but this is more of what we can expect from him in the future.

by gray16 on Feb 12, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

He needs to layoff the streetball this offseason for sure. He’s finally picking up where he left off last year imo.

by Tbonebullets on Feb 13, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

The lockout hurt his development...

Without being able to do things such as Rookie Camps and interact with coaches he went into And1 tournament style ball. I think that has been slowly eroding and he is now coming into form.

With the lockout and just the development that needs to take place, I think the last 20 games are so of the year are the real evaluation of where this team is going.

by Kuruption on Feb 13, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He technically should be fined

I mean if you’re going to suspend Antonio Davis for going to the defense of his wife from a heckler then Lebron should be fined for threatening a fan. Do I think it’s going to happen? Of course not, Stern would never punish his son….

by ThePGPhenomenon on Feb 13, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

The guy walked up to him directly on the sideline during

a free throw where Lebron was in the backcourt. They got into it on the corner of the court.

by DavidDunn on Feb 13, 2012 9:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I definitely don't think he was wrong for how he reacted.

I actually feel bad for Lebron because I think that is going too far. If you are heckling someone about the game that’s one thing, but talking about someone’s mom is over the top.

But my issue with the NBA is the double standard. If a man can’t even go into the stance to defend his wife, then no player should be threatening fans, period. It’s just not right. These fans are out of control, but the NBA needs to step up and decide what they are going to do, are you going to let these players defend themselves in some way (not necessarily fighting) or are you going to have a zero tolerance for fans like this? I just think him responding back to the fan sends the wrong message and it shouldn’t be accepted.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Feb 13, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions  

JaVale is in full contract drive mode now.

Great start to a road trip, though, even if the Pistons are as wretched as the Wizards. That was a pretty through schooling. Wall’s 15 Dimes will make Strickland happy, I am sure. And that was the type of game you will get from Vesely when Wall directs traffic at this level.
Props to Shard. Big milestone!

by khrabb on Feb 13, 2012 2:14 AM EST reply actions  

If Javale would play within himself and off of Wall every game and focus on setting good picks

I would easily give him 10 to 12 million for 5 years, even with his ocassional dumb plays every game. But he hasn’t so I won’t. He needs to show me a lot more (consistency)

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 5:17 AM EST up reply actions  

I definitely had a good feeling about this game

These type of assist numbers are what I’m looking for. This is how Wall likes to play and once we get some shooters and upgrade the PF spot, thus will be hopefully a nightly occurrance.

Btw, did Javale really set a proper pick? Really? Don’t tease me now.

by BballBrit on Feb 13, 2012 3:40 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

also

Well happy with Jan having a good game. All he needs is a good team ball system to play in and he will reach his potential. You show em man.

by BballBrit on Feb 13, 2012 3:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Wiz are #1

In block %. #2 behind OKC in blocks.

http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/block-pct

It’s games like this that make you understand why Ernie drafted “long and fast.”

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 13, 2012 6:37 AM EST reply actions  

Jumping for blocks

When your PF and C go jumping for a block, by the time they get back down and look for a man to block out or look for the rebound, it’s gone. So there probably is a negative correlation between blocks and off. rebounds.

I like the Bullets

by K-Bro on Feb 13, 2012 7:42 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not the complete awnser it seems

The top 5 Block% this yr are:
1. Washington
2. OKC
3. Utah
4. Dallas
5. Golden State

In opponent offensive rebounding % those teams rank:
Washington 30th
OKC 22th
Utah 19th
Dallas 11th
Golden State 27th

On first sight It does seem to have some correlation and it seems logical but it’s not a very strong one, so there must be more to this.

I think a part of it is that none of our SF’s or SG’s is having the back of our bigs when they go for a block. Lewis was a reasonable rebounder but he isn’t anymore (story of his life at this point). Nick is alergic while Crawford is looking to leak half of the time, so he can get ‘buckets son’. Singleton was supposed to be a fierce rebounder but I haven’t seen him standing out in that department yet and Vesely isn’t much of a rebounder either. That leaves John and that isn’t nearly enough as evidenced by the opponent rebounding rate.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 8:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Rondo had 15 assits with 3 future HOFers.

Wall had 15 assits with the wizards. Thats encouraging

by AppleDrank on Feb 13, 2012 8:05 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Yes, it sure is.

I would like to see him look to pass first more often though. Trying to run a team instead of setting up iso plays for others and himself. I would think this is on the coaching staff as well though.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 13, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice blowout guys

Even if it was Detroit, it’s awesome to see the team on the happy end of a blowout, especially running away with it like they did. I checked once and it was tight, and few minutes later you were up 20!

by wjb1492 on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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