Links: Heat Vs. Wizards Recaps And Quotes
by Mike Prada on Feb 11, 2012 1:44 PM EST
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PrintCombining links and quotes today since I had to run immediately after last night's game.
- Miami Heat stars give John Wall some advice on how to deal with the losing. LeBron James and Dwyane Wade were spotted talking to him after the game last night. [CSN Washington]
- Recaps of last night: [Us | SB Nation D.C. | CSN Washington (Jackson) | Washington Post (blog, gamer) | Washington Times | Washington Examiner | Palm Beach Post | Miami Herald | Peninsula Is Mightier | AP | Sun-Sentinel | SB Nation Tampa Bay]
- Watch some highlights on the Heat dunking all over the Wizards, light yourself on fire [Palm Beach Post | SB Nation]
- Photos of the Heat partying the night before the game surfaced last night.
- Missed this yesterday, but here's the TNT crew clowning on JaVale McGee for running back on defense when his team had the ball on Monday. [NBA.com]
- Jan Vesely blog posts are the best blog posts. [Truth About It]
- The Lakers apparently have Kobe Bryant's blessing to sign Gilbert Arenas. [Ken Berger]
- Non-basketball: me on SB Nation about Maryland securing five-star wide receiver Stefon Diggs.
RANDY WITTMAN
On the team's defensive effort: "We'll take mistakes that are aggressive, and we had some of those. We got tired I thought, little winded, which caused some of our mistakes too. I got to do a better job getting those guys in and out. I've got to recognize JaVale sometimes gets winded quicker at different periods of the game, and I've got to do a better job [with that], because that's where he'll miss a rebound or one goes off his hands out of bounds."
On the second unit: "I tinkered with it a little tonight. I'm playing with that a little bit. I hadn't liked the last couple games, end of first, start of second quarters were slow. I have to look over the tape and see exactly where it didn't work, but we changed it up tonight. We'll see where we go for it. I shortened it up a little bit to see if that helped."
NICK YOUNG
On lessons the Wizards can take from the Heat: "We can learn a lot from them, how they played, how they talked out there. Just how LeBron and D-Wade are always talking, making sure the team is in the right positions. It's something we can learn. Also, how they try to take over at the end of the game."
On what happened in the fourth quarter: "They were trapping, getting the ball out of people's hands. They were playing aggressive traps and stuff."
JOHN WALL
On what happened in the fourth quarter: "We ran pick and roll, and they trapped to get the ball out of our guards hands. We got to make plays, and today, we didn't make the plays. We had careless turnovers and didn't shoot well as a team."
On what LeBron James and Dwyane Wade said to him: "That's someone I look up to. LeBron, I met him back in high school. That's very nice to hear. Those two guys probably have been through the same type of situation I was when I was a child growing up, not really being known [right away], except for LeBron, when we were young. Those are two superstars in the league. One guy has won a championship (Wade) and the other (James) is trying to get there. That's somewhere I want to be down the road."
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Ugh
John Wall – No, neither one of them talked abt how similar everyone’s childhood was at the end of that game, and nice deflection by not answering the question.
Nick Young – I’ll bet anything in the world that while more communication is something yall can learn, nobody will make that into practical application. And no, taking over at the end of a game is nothing to learn for anybody on this team, thats how u always blow it
Well now we know why the King was a bit subdued during the game...
Oh to be young and rich and talented enough to party down hard the day before a game.
Have a blast in Motown tonite kids.
if it was about free agency
lets hope he listened to d wade and not lebroseph
by insidethelines15 on Feb 11, 2012 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
It sickens me to see LeBron partying in DC like a rock star without getting booed
and then his team beats us. Just imagine how bad the game would have been if he didn’t party.
Makes my weekend worse. I can’t believe that this city has that many Miami/Patriots/Bruins/Yankees/Phillies bandwagoners
I just can't believe it.
Knicks win again and Lin didn’t play all that well in the 2nd half… That Wolves-Knicks game just made League Pass worth the money for me!
Yeah it was a great game. Both PGs are good
by les boulez bomber on Feb 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
24 shots for Lin? After 23 shots yesterday?
Doesn’t sound like a pass first point guard. The Knicks stole one tonight. Wolves stopped hitting shots. Lin did not have a good second half, tried to do too much. McGee for Pecovic straight up?
He was exhausted...
still like how he was aggressive and took it to the hoop with the game on the line… didn’t shy away there.
I can go either way.
Most of Lin’s shots were in rhythm with the offense though, and the point guard on most teams is either the leading or top 3 scorer on the team. In the 60’s and 70’s there really wasn’t that much differentiation between the two guard positions but that changed later on. I think the line between the two guards has been blurring again. Guys like Curry, Ellis, Chauncey, Lou Williams, yes, Gil too even most of the “prototype point guards” like CP3, Deron Williams, and Steve Nash can score whenever they feel like it too. Even guys like T-Mac, Kobe, and the all time great MJ were play creators for guys around them.
Yeah he is always on the attack
even his TO’s are hard to get on him b/c he turns it over being aggressive and trying to make the right play
Rubio guarded him and he gets a lot of steals- no shame in that
It was his worse game for sure. He was also noticeably gassed.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
D'anoni is running him into the ground trying to save his job
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 5:22 AM EST up reply actions
exactly...if you noticed, he did not guard rubio. he guarded ridnour
people get too caught up in PG or SG. In the modern NBA, the PG is usually the smaller guard. And the SG is the larger.
Who cares. you need an all star in the front and back court to have a shot. We have our back court prospect. Let’s go get one for the front court, preferably a center. But watching drummond play today, it will take a many years for that guy to get there. Sullinger plays too small, though he is very skilled. I havent seen Davis. And I want to see Robinson play. Generally speaking, a guy that can average a double double at a school like Kansas is a legit NBA prospect and well worth a lottery pick if he is right sized for his position
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 12:58 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't seen much college ball
But from what I have seen, Davis and drummond look like the will take some time to develop, sullinger looks like a Kurt thomas more than an Carlos boozer which I think is his ceiling. Only Robinson and Barnes look ready to step in and help.
Fwiw-but my sample size is small.
by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I haven't seen much college ball
But from what I have seen, Davis and drummond look like the will take some time to develop, sullinger looks like a Kurt thomas more than an Carlos boozer which I think is his ceiling. Only Robinson and Barnes look ready to step in and help.
Fwiw-but my sample size is small.
by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
By the way
I am a concerned about Barnes athleticism, but my point is that he could fill a need here from day one.
by DavidDunn on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ernie will love him
Yes, he fills a need. But it is a smaller need than fixing the front court. NY should be our starting SF right now. And he can shoot fine.
EG BOMBED our lottery pick last season, and I think Ted has to spend and get a good young player in FA to keep us on track.
We have to go front court. They take too long to develop, and they impact the game too much. Four years and JW is … And a center takes four years usually!
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:25 PM EST up reply actions
lol
Who else do you want shooting? Jared Jeffries? Bill Walker forcing shots? Steve Novak making plays for himself? Like thewiz said, just from watching him previously, I’m sure most of those were in rhythm with the offense. Lin doesn’t seem to force anything
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
actually, they won that game because of Novac's key three pointers late in the game
Lin forced about three shots out of his 24 all game. And even those were within the offense, there was just a better option than him taking a shot deep in the lane when his legs were rubber and facing Chandler et al. He is solid. And he just went 5-0.
He is not nor is he suppose to be the best player on that team. He is a free top ten lottery pick for NYK, which is what we need to generate somehow. He is special because he makes every one play harder and closer to their potential. Amare is back next game. That will help him a lot.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
I'm still SMH how EG could trade away Butler, Jamison, Haywood, Miller, Arenas, Foye, and Miller and not get ONE extra lottery pick
I am shocked that Philly would not have traded what turned out to be their their #2 pick for Butler and Haywood or some other combination. They already have a lot of youth on that team. And Brand is getting up there for sure.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
The best comment of the night was the NYK announcers praising Jared Jeffries game
(he hit a long jumper)
they gave up over 50 points and 30 rebounds to Min front court. No way they should have lost that game. But they got gassed too. Both teams were exhausted for the 4Q. It was a coin flip who was going to win. A couple key threes by Novac game the NYK a little extra lift that proved the difference
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions
I was mostly joking about the number of shots
because John Wall was being criticized as a shoot first PG and his average of 14 shots a game was used as evidence. Lin played OK, but had a rough second half. He was clearly tired and was forcing some things toward the end. It’s not fair to Wall though to be comparing the 2 quite yet. Let’s give it 30 games or so.
Also, he is probably untouchable from Minnesota’s standpoint, but I am becoming more and more impressed with Pekovic.
Pekovic is playing like a starter for sure. He was drafted #31 same year as JVM. He is coming around fourth year Centers also take the longest to develop. So wouldnt it be a good idea to get one early in the rebuild? Ernie has no foresight, or his plan is backwards. I will leave it at that.
Im not a huge fan of comparing players to begin with. They have to be considered within the context of a team. The Wiz need to surround Wall with better talent. And JW has a lot to learn for this team to start winning. Both statements are true.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions
Both teams played last night. And both teams were gassed in 4Q. MIN beat the shit out of Lin. Chandler and Pec beat the shit out of each other. Knicks definitely stole this game.
That was an unfortunate turnover in the end for Rubio. What a great play on defense just prior.
Pec for JVM…definitely- hands down
by les boulez bomber on Feb 11, 2012 11:22 PM EST reply actions
It is probably too late to pull that one off
I have been hyping Pek for a while. But now that he has replaced Darko as the starter, I don’t think Kahn will listen to a JVM offer. On the one hand, it is Kahn. On the other hand, he who laughs last, laughs best.
Kahn still did a terrible job of GM-ing the TWolves imho
It’s more like the team is getting better despite him, rather than because of him
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
Really?
They started their rebuild in 2008. He drafted his starting center and an all star PF. The two hardest positions to fill. In 2009, he drafted his starting PG, who could be an all star. He struck out in 2009 as far as starting SF, but he signed one in free agency. They added another good SF/PF tweener prospect last draft. They are competing for the playoffs in year four, and would make the playoffs in the East.
We started in 2010. We have a starting PG, a back up PF, and back up PG.
He is running circles around EG because DK already filled the hard positions. We haven’t; we filled the easiest position. And we will not be competing for the playoffs in year 4 unless Ted really opens up his wallet, which would not be building through the draft. Or we win the lottery in 2013 and draft superman
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I guess so
But trading away All Jefferson for nothing, waisting a lot of picks to get 2 or 3 core pieces in Rubio, Love and possibly DWilliams (they had like 5 #1 picks every yr it seems like) while not surrounding those youngsters with players who could mentor them still seems turrible to me.
That our GM manages to get next to nothing for Butler, Jamison, Haywood, Arenas and 2009 #5 pick, while stockpiling misfits, instead of 2 or 3 building blocks and surrounding them with mentors is arguably just as turrible, but that doesn’t make Kahn a better G
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yes it does. You cant argue the results. They are an exciting, young team playing near .500 and in the playoff hunt. It took three seasons to build and they are here in year 4.
No one makes he right call everytime. But Kahn did a good job.
We are in year two and have no visibility. We have one player. David Kahn had three legit starters by this point. I dont think too many people in MIN are saying, I know we are .500 but I really wish we had JW. They did exactly what you are suppose to do: find a double double guy in the front court and build around him. It is the oldest and safest route to contending unless you are an LA type team
I think you are mistaken on this, and we usually agree. EG isnt just doing a bad job. He has the wrong gameplan.
How long did the knicks take to rebuild? a couple of years. what did they do: clear cap space, sign a all star front court and find a good front court player (pg). If they win, Lin will make the all star game before JW. thats how it goes. (and I am not including Melo in it at all. That part is unrepeatable for us. They are a very good playoff team right now without him.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
What they can learn from the Heat
how they talked out there. Just how LeBron and D-Wade are always talking, making sure the team is in the right positions.
I’m sorry but why they fuck is that something you have to learn? I just ball around the city and this is something that even I do playing. Hopefully he was just giving a diplomatic answer becuase that is ridiculous otherwise.
Although lack of communication on the floor would explain how bad the defense, team in general, plays on the regular
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I think he was doing just that. I dont think they like those questions. His real answer would be that the Miami Heat want to win and they back it up with their payroll securing some of the best players in the league.
Im sure that is what he was thinking. Or I’d rather be paid less and drafted by them instead of Cole
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions
Cousins is very frustrating to watch
he gets blocked so much b/c he plays a finesse game when he doesn’t need to…. still puts up good numbers. He could be great.
He will be. They are assembling a good team out there. If they can get a Robinson, look out
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah I think he will be... he's averaging like 20 and 14 and last 4 games
but shoots a bad percentage. Watched the last couple games and he plays with way too much finesse instead of power. Once he stops trying to look good under the rim and focuses on playing with his strength and above the rim more he’ll be dominant. Foul trouble is a problem too right now… 26 & 9 last night and only played 2 minutes in the 2nd quarter.
I notice that too. He runs the new guy off every year.
Webber was horrible with them. But he is good this year. I think he stopped smoking up before the show. Or they are able to step outside CBs shadow.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
You think Webber was horrible? I really like him with Chuck and Kenny
I really liked McHale too.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 5:27 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Last season, I was not a fan. He was drowned out by CB or it was rookie jitters or something This season I am a huge fan. He is holding his own this year even on TNT as a guest. He speaks with more confidence, and he has good insights.
Maybe you have to make it on your own before CB gives you respect on the show? I dont know. Neither CW or Shaq had CBs respect first year. But there is definitely a difference with CW now. He is good today.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
Tonight is a must win. The next 16 games are much tougher than we have had so far.
We are starting a 5 game road trip:
@Detroit
@Portland
@LAC
@Utah
@Phoenix
I don’t know if we can win any of them except for tonight’s game.
After that we have a 5 game home stretch but it arguably has only 1 winnable game.
After that we have another 6 game road trip, mostly out west.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
Just check, not sure if this is good news or not
Detroit is on a 4 game winning streak and Greg Monroe is playing well. Hope they come to the game over-confident and relax.
But our team don’t play well on the road. So…..
Greg Monroe has been a beast
be surprised if he doesn’t go for 20 & 10
by koop1122 on Feb 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
random but related thought here.
Was bored and so I went over to Peninsula is Mightier to have a look around, and despite the Heat being really successful and having an apparently huge fanbase that turn up to games, their entire front page of blog entries has only about 20 comments. We have an admittedly pretty dire team and a mostly empty arena most nights, and yet we have huge numbers of comments and active fans on the blog. What does this say about the wizards fanbase? Are we more dedicated? Less dedicated? Do we all just love rooting for the underdog?
by BballBrit on Feb 12, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Same is true in LA
Green Bay and Buffalo have the most committed fans. What else is there to do in GB? Nice cities like Miami and LA have trouble attracting fans.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 12, 2012 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Well, to be fair, the Lakers blog has lots of fan activity
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
Right
I was thinking more of the lack of an NFL team.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 12, 2012 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
The Heatles have a lot of low-commitment fans
Probably don’t even know half of the roster.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Feb 12, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Bookers emergence
Shows that players that produce in limited minutes also produce in extended minutes.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 12, 2012 1:11 PM EST reply actions
Will Ernie get extended
I don’t think so. Maybe he could have survived if JV had been Kawhi Leonard. Or Roger Mason had been Jeremy Lin. Or Blatche had come back in shape and ready to earn his contract. But I don’t see Ted going to his GM and saying “great sub-teen win season! Here’s another five year contract.” New GM when Ernie’s contract runs out.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Feb 12, 2012 1:17 PM EST reply actions
I agree, JV cost Ernie his extension. You just cant justify a whiff like that no matter how hard you try.
If it doesnt, it will cost Ted my fandom. That is for sure lol. Wrong guy, wrong gameplan, wrong time
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
It's sad when the best big man in DC is Henry Sims, not Dray or JaVale...
he’s not super fast, not a super leaper.
But he makes free throws, has a post game against other NBA draft prospect bigs, has a mid range shot, sets good screens, and knows how to pass to cutters…. I guarantee you we will not draft him in the second round or even give him a summer league deal.
Georgetown produces big men...thats what they do
And really, it hints on the absolute saddest part of JVM to me. He plays in a city that has probably the best big man coach in the country. No one has a track record developing big men like John Thompson(s). He probably could have paid him $2000 for four hours of his time per week and be an absolute monster by now.
by les boulez bomber on Feb 12, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think John Thompson the Princeton man produces a different type of big than JT Jr. though it's undeniable that they both have produced some quality college bigs either way.
JT3 looks for big men that are all around players and can do all the basic skills to fit the Princeton. This year’s Georgetown team has no real prototype PG, but everyone can pass to the man who goes for the backdoor cut and it’s pretty scary from what I’ve seen. Hibbert has been the best so far, but Greg Monroe also looks promising from JT3. JT Jr. produced some nasty big men who were defensive nightmares like Zo, Ewing, and Mutombo.
I don’t think JaVale can pay JT3 to coach him though. JT Jr. however, maybe.
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