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Rashard Lewis, Sam Cassell Get Into Argument, Lewis Refused To Play, According To Report

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UPDATE: Lewis and Flip Saunders have denied the report.

As if things couldn't get any worse for the Washington Wizards, Frank Hanrahan of CSN Washington offers this report for why Rashard Lewis did not play today against the Minnesota Timberwolves. Apparently, the "sore knee" thing was a farce.

The Wizards are off to a franchise worst 0-8 start, and to make matters more troubling a team source tells CSNwashington.com that Wizards' forward Rashard Lewis got into an argument with Wizards' assistant coach Sam Cassell before the Minnesota game and Lewis decided he didn't want to play.

Something seemed very weird about Lewis not playing. On Friday, Lewis committed a turnover, then refused to run back as Carmelo Anthony went in for a slam. He then missed a couple more shots and was taken out for good midway through the third quarter. Before the game, there was no sign he wouldn't play, with Flip Saunders even talking about the need to run different sets to get him going. Then, only 20 minutes before the game, the PR staff informed us he wouldn't play with the knee injury. It all makes sense now.

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Ted doesn't think so
I did not get a very nice birthday gift though from the Washington Wizards.

I was up close and watched a very dispirited effort by our team yesterday afternoon; which really surprised me after such a strong effort against the Knicks.

There is a lot of noise right now – and lots of angst – I have found the best thing to do in times of stress and turmoil is to do research; be analytical; NOT emotional; and try to find ways to improve.

I appreciate all of your emails; and blog posts and suggestions on what to do.

Obviously – no one is happy with the progress we are making as a team; it is important that we be measured and smart in how we move forward.

Thank you for caring so much and for all of your input.

I am all for analysis…but if you are going to be accessible, you have to balance analytics with emotion and empathy…I think some fans just want to see a little emotion and urgency.

who knows….

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 11:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Well analytically, we're the only winless team in the league

Sports is not exactly business. Analytical is great, and (extremely) basic logic says keep the veteran coach.

But they’re is way more than just x’s and o’s going on in an NBA locker room, especially this one right now.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

FIRE everyone. that's the only solution.

If he doesn’t act now the ship will completely sink and we’ll lose Wall.

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 8, 2012 8:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who cares?

Shard sucks anyway. No loss there. Let him pout all year if he wants.

by Unselds on Jan 9, 2012 8:56 AM EST up reply actions  

So after all that talk about veteran leadership from the front office and from Shard himself, he goes and pulls this.

A great example for fellow headcase Andray Blatche! Things keep getting better in Washington.

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by abovelegit on Jan 8, 2012 8:47 PM EST reply actions  

Good

His insubordination should seal his fate here, or at least as a starter. Hopefully we’ve had enough embarrassment that SOMETHING substantial will happen soon

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 8:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

1st rule of DC Sports:

It can always get worse.

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by StillUnknown on Jan 8, 2012 8:49 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Oops

Here I was thinking the 1st rule of DC Sports is to not talk about DC Sports…

by jakenbake on Jan 9, 2012 10:41 AM EST up reply actions  

At the end of the season

Release Lewis and amnesty Blatche. If they can’t be traded sooner.

by Llamaman on Jan 8, 2012 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

Yep. Get him out of here ASAP.

Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.

by BM22 on Jan 8, 2012 8:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we trade him? Is buyout the only option?

I would say that Ernie should be burning up the phones for takers for Lewis. but his contract is almost 40% of our payroll..if we buy him out though he still counts on our cap figure for this year, right?

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Right

I know the likelihood of finding a taker is slim to none..just wondering financially how it worked for us.. that’s a big number to fill via trade..but only about half of next year’s money is guaranteed, right?

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

If he said "I don't want to play"

then he should be granted his wish…otherwise, Flip totally loses the team…

by DavidDunn on Jan 8, 2012 8:56 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

well..if he hasn't for some reason

looks like someone called Rashard out in the meeting..and he didn’t react as well as Blatche..

by DavidDunn on Jan 8, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Ummm…I think it’s pretty obvious that Flip has already lost this team.

by Mr202_301 on Jan 8, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

who knows, the whole thing could be Sam's fault

he has one of the biggest mouths in nba history….but all that is completely irrelevant. What’s salient here is that neither Sam nor Rashard gives a rat’s ass about Flip’s authority to the point they have no qualms about letting it get to this.

Flip is a doormat. He really, really has to go ASAP. Every day he’s here is a negative at this point.

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Depending on the situation

I’m pretty sure I’m backing Sam, regardless. Sometimes, talking shit is just being right with an attitude.

by imperialme on Jan 9, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Couldn't the whole thing be because of a very young assistant coach who is still wet behind the ears

It could be totally Sam Cassell’s fault.
But in Wizards land Sam Cassell could do no wrong. Yea right.

by jmpalomo on Jan 9, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Probably won't happen

Unless a buyout can be worked out to get rid of the 12-13 mil the wiz would save from releasing him during the offseason. Unless that would get triggered anyway?

by Llamaman on Jan 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

that's obscenely dumb

He’s a $10 million dollar savings for another team in a trade. There are several teams who will be in the top half of the lottery who might be willing to trade their pick to save $10 million.

If you want bench Lewis/suspend him, that’s fine. But cutting him would be destroying a good asset.

by GJennings on Jan 8, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would trade for Lewis?

I doubt that those"several teams" would want Lewis now that this came out or even before today.

Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.

by BM22 on Jan 8, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

His player value doesn't matter.

It’s entirely a contract move.

Team A has between 20-25 million in contracts they want to move. They trade for Lewis, getting back his contract. They waive Lewis. They save $10 million in salary+cap. In exchange we get their high lottery pick.

For example, Rashard Lewis’s contract could become Ben Gordon, Charlie V, and Perry Jones/Bradley Beal/Michael Kidd-Gilcrhist. Assuming the Wizards draft Davis, our starting line-up could be: Wall-Beal-Singleton-Davis-McGee, with AB, Booker, Gordon, Charlie V, Vesselly, Seraphin, and Crawford as the bench. If we are able to reign Nick Young and another veteran, that’s a playoff team.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I think that's a bit optimistic

Not sure a lottery bound team would want to trade for Lewis’contract even if it saves them money next yr.

He played lousy and is apparently a headcase. We’ve got a mess on our hands folks.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 3:36 AM EST up reply actions  

hard to find a taker

that has 20m of bad contracts and that has allready used amnesty…

by vmr on Jan 9, 2012 4:01 AM EST up reply actions  

It's not as tough as you think

There are quite a few disaster teams.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I love that

But I don’t see us getting a top 5 lottery pick for taking on Villanueva and Gordon.

Never worth it to get rid of a pick that’s not at least top 6 protected, in exchange for just dumping salary. It may work out for the Clips in the end, but look what happened to them last year. That will probably be on every GM dealing a lotto pick’s mind.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 9, 2012 11:27 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

It's $10 million dollar savings

Those contracts actually last another 2 years with player options, so it’d be roughly $33 million. I just used them as example.

The major point is to save at least $10 million, a team should be willing to part with a decent asset.

We got less savings in the T-Wolf trade.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

totally agree

he comes out this season worse off then last and is supposed to be a vet. presence n pulls this! He’s gotta go… as fragile as this team is and he did that no wonder they played the way they did today

by pdub117 on Jan 8, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm telling you guys we need to ve Jim Zorn bad

Before this dumb owner realizes an overhaul is necessary in the coaching staff and front office.

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 8, 2012 8:51 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

At least the game was at 1pm and I

saw the Pitt/Den game.

At least I saw one professional sports game today.

Tebow 3:16. (passing yds that is)

by DavidDunn on Jan 8, 2012 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

Tebow (and his father)...

…couldn’t help the Wiz to win.

by Izman on Jan 9, 2012 7:00 AM EST up reply actions  

He didn't want to play?

Ok…good riddance…(if a player ever says that on my team…I tell him have fun at home for the rest of the year)

I heard Glen on the radio try to say Lewis wasn’t a cancer…

Apparently he was wrong.

by DavidDunn on Jan 8, 2012 8:55 PM EST reply actions  

100%

I consider this to be good news…he’s been cooked since the steroid suspension in 2009..God knows why he’s been starting but now that appears to be over and we can get Singleton in for good as starter at SF

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

blessing in disguise...

but the team can’t take it to heart…

by DavidDunn on Jan 8, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions  

True

perfect wording for this

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions  

lewis walking up the court

Is one thing. But damnit when you get into a fight with one of the few wizards personel that I like then your ass has to be out of here.

That makes two people I don’t like for this team (flip Is the other) I hope I wake up tomorrow and this mess is fixed. Flip doesn’t want to be here and we want a change. This isn’t what flip signed up for. Common Ted do your magic

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 8, 2012 9:04 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

never forget those two

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by StillUnknown on Jan 8, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

crap fellas

Good catch. Can’t let them get off the hook. I actually don’t hate eg THAT much. Just a little but blatche is a bum

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

What I want to know is why did the team then lie and say Lewis was out with a knee injury?

If you are an organization that holds people accountable, then that means being honest and forthright on all fronts.

by disgrunted on Jan 8, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

because Westphal got fired when he made his suspension known

by Mr. E on Jan 9, 2012 1:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Who benefits from this story getting out?

Flip? No, he looks terrible.
Lewis? No, this is terrible for him.
EG? Can’t see how this possibly helps him move Lewis. Although with Lewis is 99% about his contract in the future.

Sometimes you sweep things under the rug and handle them in-house. Deactive him a few games and let him know you’re serious. If he doesn’t get the message, then go nuclear.

The worst thing, however, is to let Lewis force his way out of Washington and con the Wizards into a terrible buyout.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:06 AM EST up reply actions  

Lewis is rich anyway, his career is over, what does he care?

sigh….

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 3:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Nobody benefits from the story getting out.

And that’s what all teams use PR departments for: to censor what gets out to the public and the press, whether it’s organizational disputes, player indiscretions, or just players making dumb comments.

by MeToo on Jan 9, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions  

And that's the job of the press.

These one-source anonymous leaks always frustrate me—impossible to tell what really happened or how serious the situation was or if someone is pushing an agenda.

by MeToo on Jan 9, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What type of player complains when he's the second highest in the league and he's washed up?

I think Rashard’s a good dude and hasn’t played horribly for the most part. But the Knicks game changed it all and got me so frustrated when he didn’t give a shit clearly on the court. Get a buyout done, for his and our own good.

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by adamvolo on Jan 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

Can we get Jerry Sloan?

Just saw the link saying he’d consider a return to coaching.

by Siis on Jan 8, 2012 9:13 PM EST reply actions  

Jerry Sloan

Doesn’t want any part of this team. Forget about the mess, he’s not gonna sign up for a rebuild. No, if not Cassel, we need to get another young coach who’s gonna energize, and grow with, the team.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 8, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Cassell

If we got 0-12. There’s no excuse for not making a coaching change. Multiple years, no wins. It’s the same principle we apply to players. If veterans are not working, you could with the younger guy.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Cassell will be fired with Flip

Flip hired him.
CLEAN HOUSE!

by jmpalomo on Jan 9, 2012 9:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Why the interest in Sloan?

He’s old, and quit because he couldn’t deal with this generations’s players, why would he want to deal with the mess that we have here? I would like to give Cassell a chance..and if it doesn’t work with him, get some fresh blood in here not a retread

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

There are several reasons

Sloan won.
Sloan has a reputation for being a disciplinarian.
He recently mentioned wanting to get back into the game.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think any of our guys have the mental capacity to handle Jerry Sloan.

They would probably all quit basketball if they were asked to work as hard as Sloan demands. We would literally be left with Wall, Singleton, Booker, Mason, Vesely, Mack. That’s it.

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 8, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

thats not necessarily a bad thing

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by StillUnknown on Jan 8, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Correct, not a bad thing at all.

However I couldn’t ever see him actually coming here.

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 8, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Correct, not a bad thing at all.

However I couldn’t ever see him actually coming here.

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 8, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Open up that checkbook Teddy!

If Snyder could get Gibbs out of retirement, Ted should be able to get Sloan.

Right?

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 8, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I could be wrong

But I doubt it. Jerry Sloan is done. If he couldn’t put up with Derron Williams, can you really see him wanting anything to do with this abomination of a “professional” basketball team?

by imperialme on Jan 9, 2012 1:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Utah did trade Williams after Sloan retired.

This roster won’t be the same next year, and I think we are finally right when we say"Blatche won’t be a Wizard next year." Him and Lewis are gone, as well as anyone(hopefully no one) who decides to contribute to their attitude and lack of production.
I’m not advocating Sloan, nor am I against him, I’m just saying today’s Wizards aren’t going to be next season’s Wizards. Add a probable high draft pick in a stacked draft will make this job will be more enticing.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Jan 9, 2012 1:16 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Blatche has to be gone

He’s just not a starter. He would be significantly better as a reserve.
1. His conditioning wouldn’t be as important
2. He could play against second tier players.
3. He doesn’t compliment McGee.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah

Cousins wouldn’t bring any coach out of retirement. Nobody wants to be Sprewell’d.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:12 AM EST up reply actions  

"It all makes sense now."

hahaha — that’s a great little kicker at the end to sum it all up

by FTT on Jan 8, 2012 9:15 PM EST reply actions  

I'd love to see Lewis get bought out so the team can use the amnesty on Blatche,

but you have to wonder wtf Sam is doing getting into an argument with a player right before a game. A 1 o’clock game at that. This speaks to his readiness as a head coach.

by djnnnou on Jan 8, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions  

I'd want to hear the details

before we say anything about Sam. If Lewis initiated it then Sam shouldn’t just back down from a player. But I guess that makes me a hypocrite for wanting Lewis to be released.

by Llamaman on Jan 8, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Yup

it could be that Cassell said “Singleton’s going to start today” and that started the argument.

by hotplate on Jan 8, 2012 9:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewis probably was just fed up with all the knuckleheaded lack of effort

If I was ballin and a guy on my team never got back on defense, I’d eventually say screw it too.

by gilsix on Jan 8, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions  

Dude hasn’t been right since the steroid suspension

That’s a pure fallacy, dude. Not saying it (DHEA) doesn’t enhance physical performance (I have no idea), just that your argument is a fallacious and only seems to be intended to make him look bad.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

"Make him look bad?"

His play has been pure garbage. There is nothing anyone could do to make him look worse than he has played.

by jmuravchik on Jan 9, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe it's a bad coincidence

But look at what he did that 2009-10 season in Orlando and what he’s done here after playing so well throughout the 2009 playoffs…could be a number of things but there’s one common denominator….

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 15, 2012 12:16 AM EST up reply actions  

his*

http://twitter.com/Above_Legit

by abovelegit on Jan 8, 2012 9:20 PM EST reply actions  

What a leader!

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 8, 2012 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

Another chapter in EG's reign of terror...

…what’s next? Maybe Ron Paul has a conspiracy theory about Washington sports!

by Izman on Jan 8, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions  

How about “Ernie Grunfeld’s Reign of Error”?

by Tbonebullets on Jan 8, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

never thought

there could be so much drama on a team without Gil

by dan the man on Jan 8, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions  

this is only gonna get worse till Flip is fired

Players are getting sick and tired of losing and I expect some more major blowups from player on coach and player on player.

Lewis should be ashamed of himself making that much money refusing to play but he’s not needed and should be released.

by jazzy1 on Jan 8, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

Good riddance

The play on Friday was one of the laziest plays I’ve ever seen on a basketball court. This guy is only here collecting his checks. I hope he never wears a Washington uniform again. He probably felt entitled to a starting spot and got shown up by a rookie. It is a travesty that this dude is the second highest paid player in the league when he also is one of the worst players in the league.

//endrant

by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 8, 2012 9:46 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions  

Entitled is the word

I guess we now know at least one of the players Mo Evans was talking about when he said players on this team were acting entitled.

by disgrunted on Jan 8, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

5 Obvious Statements and a Question

1. John Wall needs to play better
2. John Wall needed to make better use of his summer
3. John Wall can play better
4. John Wall needs a strong coach who has the team pointed in some direction
5. John Wall would get better (flourish, even) under such a coach

So who is out there, before it’s too late?

.

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by HSLex on Jan 8, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions  

Whoever it is, he needs to bring in multiple players along with him.

Rebounding and shooting being the most important. Good draft/development to start, but he also needs to make D.C. an attractive destination for free agents.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Jan 9, 2012 1:18 AM EST up reply actions  

big disappointment

Lots of people here, watching how good he was as a rookie, were making comparisons to Derrick Rose and wondering if Wall could improve like that from year 1 to year 2, and picturing how good he might become. Sadly, so far, he is less good this season. His outside shot and free throws are, if anything, poorer than last year, and he is even missing lots more lay-ups. Aside from everything else wrong with this team, Wall has not been a good player this season, and his teammates are not to blame for that. It sticks in the craw to be told that his “camp” is saying he won’t stay in DC if he’s not surrounded with better talent. At this stage, this young man should be looking in the mirror rather than pointing fingers.

by jmuravchik on Jan 9, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Only one guy has played better than last season...

and thats McGee. Wall, Crawford, Blatche and Lewis all seem to be getting worse.

by ABOVETHELAW on Jan 9, 2012 12:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Problem with McGee

Is that he doesn’t play any better with the rest of the team. His improvement is all in his individual game. Better post moves, less wild block attempts on D. Great, but what we need now is better picks, better off-ball movement, and better defensive communication. Right now we need to get better at playing together.

by yop32 on Jan 9, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Sad thing is, we can't really be too optimistic with the possibility of firing Flip, mainly because Ted is so hardpressed on keeping with his "plan".

I’ve been a huge supporter of Ted, but this cannot continue. Clearly Flip has overstayed his welcome here in DC, he simply isn’t the right coach, and as the owner, you cannot overlook it. I love Ted’s optimism and confidence in building this team through the draft, but there comes a time in the rebuild where you’re forced to make moves. After a 1-12 start to the 08-09 season, Sam Presti made the decision to fire PJ Carlesimo, and made Scott Brooks the new head coach (who went on to go 22-47 the rest of the season).

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by abovelegit on Jan 8, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

Ted's a very smart man.

The fraudulent OkC “model” just happens to involve the lowest possible payroll and a built in excuse for losing 60 games a year for several years. All the while he SELLS this supposed plan. “Buy season tickets now before it’s too late!” Yeah, because since we’re the worst team in the league now that means we’ll be OkC in a 2 years? It’s total bullshit and if you doubt that’s all he is up to, just read his last Ted’s take which had the audacity to suggest tickets will be scarce based on the “promise” shown in a loss to the Knicks.

Ted has to make major moves right now or lose his cred completely

by DCrez on Jan 8, 2012 11:43 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Re: Fraudulent OKC Model

“Fraudulent” is too kind.

All one needs to do is look at the playoff teams of the past few years

The only playoff team that followed the OKC model….is …. OKC.

The rest are built with a blend of draft picks, but mostly acquisition of Free Agents.

The OKC Model is a one of a kind situation that cannot be replicated in the NBA.

by HeyHeyDoctorJ on Jan 9, 2012 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

That's not true

San Antonio and Chicago are two other examples of very successful teams built through the draft.

by djnnnou on Jan 9, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions  

arent they exceptions that prove the rule?

The Bulls won the lottery with what, a 2% chance or something when they were a 40 win team? And the Spurs won the lottery twice, both times in year’s with an all-time great Big coming out as the consensus #1

I sure hope ted’s plans dont count on those types of things happening for us. Even if we won the lotto this year, it’s not like there is a lock player available

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 10:42 AM EST up reply actions  

No, they are the most obvious examples

Then there are those teams, like Boston, Dallas and Memphis, that have use trades to acquire key pieces. Few teams are built mostly through free agency, and the majority of them are in destination cities.

by djnnnou on Jan 9, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yeah, only the Thunder…. and the Bulls, Magic, sort of Hawks, Spurs, Lakers, Mavericks, Blazers, Hornets…

Yeah, so only like every good team besides the Heat and Celtics got their studs from the draft.

by Mr. E on Jan 9, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

There is no way this Lewis thing is anything but the tip of the iceberg.

Ted needs to wake up and smell the coffee, read the writing on the wall, and make some heads roll.

I would go on, but I am fresh out of cliches.

by goober nackulum on Jan 8, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Exactly my sentiment

I wouldn’t be shocked if a change occurred during upper leadership meetings and Saunders finding out on Sports Center. Rashard Lewis forces Saunders out to pave the trade for Orlandos Howard. Grunfeld hires Phil Jackson to new be head coach. My belief is that will never happen because we are in Wizard hell for sins we committed. Somehwere in Washington, DC a sense of entitlement blooms about 4-6 times each year depending on where you live. DC deserves a winner and when Stern and other sports Commish see this, good things will happen. They don’t in DC where they bailout people all the time. Not where their not home team is playing. The city Bill Clinton built. We deserve what it is happening in a shared experience.There will be no changes and don’t even think about Cousins. Thats just fantasy because our reality is so bleak.

by hambonejackson on Jan 8, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Bring Arenas Back

We got rid of Arenas because of the “drama” he brought to the team

But he’s gone, and there seems to be more drama.

Arenas would be the center of attention, which would allow Wall to quietly improve his game.

Wall could probably get his assist numbers way up with GA parked on the three point line.

by HeyHeyDoctorJ on Jan 8, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Gil came up to mind in today's game.

But seriously, at this point, is there any vet PG we can add that fit and help the team develop?

by isum on Jan 8, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

veteran meaning an old washed up guy?

I dunno, and I don’t care as long as Gilbert does NOT come back here. Gilbert will make the Wizards even more of a joke than before. Ted already implied that Gilbert slighted him so I’m pretty sure that he will not accept him being here under any circumstances.

I will gladly bring back Mike James or Antonio Daniels before Gilbert and AD in particular was a decent pick and roll guy though he drove a LOT for his offense. The best part about Daniels is that he doesn’t turn the ball over often at all.

by thewiz06 on Jan 8, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We shouldn't have traded Hinrich

He was the perfect mentor for Wall. He also is a good shooter btw. We got Crawford in that deal but there apparently was a reason he wasn’t playing in Atlanta…I think I have an idea now.

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 4:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Mike James???

Hell fucking no!

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 9, 2012 4:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Assists before 12/16 (the date Arenas was traded) = 8.86 assists per game (15 games)
Assists after 12/16 (the date Arenas was traded ) = 8.16 assists per game (54 games)

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 8, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Our complaining is why Nick Young is dribbling more after he catches than last season. We are magic….

Our 3 pt shooting is bad. We seem to take fewer attempts and shoot a lower % than the other team in every game we play. You can’t win in the NBA if you don’t have 3 pt shooters to spread the court. The defenders are too good.

If Wall, Crawford, Young, Mason, and LEwis were shooting well from 3-pt line, Wall’s assist numbers would go up. Look how Rubio played when he was surrounded by marksmen.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Nick Young is playing for his contract and nothing else

He is trying to show a more balanced game- passing, assists, dribble penetration, etc

by les boulez bomber on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Rubio may just be a far better player than John Wall

He sure was last night.
(Also, it is hard to see how Wall could get assists on his own 3s.)

by jmuravchik on Jan 9, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

You have to think one step past that

If Wall is a credible threat from 3, then his man has to guard him on the perimeter. That opens up driving lanes. When the defense collapses from the drive, then Wall can find his teammates for easy shots.

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Well - Yeah...

If you don’t count the 4 games in December, immediately after Arenas was dealt…. when he averaged only 6.4 assists per game….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 8, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions  

John started his career surrounded by several varyingly competent shooters who are no longer here

Hinrich, Gilbert, Cartier Martin and yes, Yi. Then Shard and Mo Evans each shot 35% from 3 last year their time here.

He’s missing atleast 3 or 4 assists per game because A. his teammates put up bricks on wide open shots from mid to long range and B. People tend to hesitate, pumpfake, put it on the floor before they shoot, passing up perfectly good shot opportunities. Blatche, Young and Crawford are the most notable ones doing this.
And on top of that he doesn’t have the driving lanes he had last yr because of defenses not respecting the shooters, clogging up the lane. Yes, if John had improved his jumpshot it would have help him but I think that’s more of a confidence problem. He thinks to much about missing instead of focusing on squaring up properly, a consistent release and follow through.

So, with the departure of the aforementioned shooters, who did Ernie bring in to complement John? Shakur, Jeffers, Owens, Lewis, Crawford, Turiaf, Mo Evans, Mason and draft picks Mack, Vesely and Singleton . Now, Chris can spot up but he isn’t Ray Allen, Mack is a second round pick and can’t be relied upon and he doesn’t play with Wall. Vesely can run and jump in transition but he can’t shoot.

Plus, in order to play fast you need to rebound the basketball so a slower big body like Kanter who rebounds would have been a better fit than Vesely. Especially since he gives the Wiz a low post option in the half court.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 4:44 AM EST up reply actions  

It will take JV five years to shoot that well, which is why he was a bad pick for us. Sometimes, you don’t swing for the fence and the best you can do is draft a solid complementary player.

by les boulez bomber on Jan 9, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I actually thought this today too

We desperately need a back up pg. I think Gil can fill that roll but we would need to get rid of Saunders, Ernie, and probably blatche and young to make it seem like it’s a new organization and to show Gil that he can’t call the shots anymore.

But as a fan I would love to see Gil in the red white and blue. I’m afraid that’s just a pipe dream however

by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 8, 2012 10:45 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Did you see Arenas play in Orlando after he left Washington?

If not, look up his shooting percentages.

And the Orlando Sentinel reports that according to Otis Smith, who had lunch with Gil on Tuesday, “He’s trying to get his knee right.” Still trying to “get it right.”

So no, Gil’s shooting would not help Wall or anyone else.

by MeToo on Jan 8, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

The good part about Arenas last year was that he played

the vast majority of the games last season, which he didn’t do in the previous three seasons

by thewiz06 on Jan 9, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Lets get to the real issue

apparently we have the dumbest most incompetent PR ppl in the league

by KurisuDevil on Jan 8, 2012 10:31 PM EST reply actions  

The list can go on

most incompetent medical staff
most incompetent players
most incompetent coaching staff.

The fact that there is no updates on this may say something – like PR /frontoffice working on it

by isum on Jan 8, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

does anyone agree

If Rashard isn’t gone tonight or as late as the end of the week doesn’t that say a lot about how nothing has changed and Ernie and Ted are full of it. I just find it alarming if he isn’t. anyone agree or am i over thinking?

by pdub117 on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

We're already

A laughingstock, so this doesn’t mean much in the grand scheme. But if Lewis is on the team by the end of the year, then Ernie needs to follow him out the door. And if (gasp!) Lewis EVER re- enters the starting lineup, then Flip needs to go before the end of that day.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 8, 2012 10:46 PM EST reply actions  

On the positive side...

Pat yourself on the back because we are the best fans in sports for putting up with this type of dysfunction.

Anyone want to guess what horrible thing will happen to us next?

by Kuruption on Jan 8, 2012 10:52 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

next horrible: Wall gets injured

Hes got learn to slow down.

He will get injured if he keeps hurling himself at the basket (and not finishing) and taking hard falls

by HeyHeyDoctorJ on Jan 8, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Worst than that..,

When he gets hurt we have absolutely NO true point guard on the roster. And we win less than 6 games this year

by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 8, 2012 10:59 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

Silver lining:

Mack finally gets off the bench. Probably for about 3 minutes at the end of the game, knowing Flip, but hey, it’d be a step!

by jakenbake on Jan 9, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

Crawford and Blatche go on shooting streak

for one season and can’t hit any thing the next.

by hambonejackson on Jan 8, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I knew the knee thing was fake the second I read it

There no such thing as a coincidence THAT big.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 8, 2012 11:01 PM EST reply actions  

someone in the NY game-thread called this

after noting how lewis was not into the game at all. whoever it was said ‘watch, tomorrow he says he has a bad knee and can’t play’. kudos.

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Jan 8, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

no doubt...however I had hoped it was a way for Flip to bench him without benching him

this being the Wizards, instead it was of course the boiling over of utter dysfunction.

by DCrez on Jan 8, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

The OKC Model

Ted seems enamored with The OKC Model of building a team.

BuT OKC is more the exception, than the rule these days.

Heat, Celtics, Lakers built by key acquisitions.

Now the Clippers, and Knicks are following suit

I think Ted is wrong. We need to get an All Star or two to turn this lousy situation around.

I mean if the Clippers can turn it around in one season, why can’t we?

I’m tired of waiting. And sorry efforts like today convince me that we need to blow this up, and start over again. This time by acquiring a proven all star.

by HeyHeyDoctorJ on Jan 8, 2012 11:07 PM EST reply actions  

I have the get really good players model

and I am hoping there are good trade opportunities, FAs, and drafts. Wall, Booker, Singleton are a start. The rest are on the “I will wait” list.

by hambonejackson on Jan 8, 2012 11:36 PM EST up reply actions  

the blatant disdain Ted has expressed for other team's FA signings over the past year

is a glaring indicator we have a cheap owner who wants to keep costs low as possible and hope EG falls ass backward into drafting a great team.

by DCrez on Jan 8, 2012 11:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Should the Wiz bring in a mercenary team?

It may not be about the number of draft picks that make a good team, but the players signed. Most good teams bring in a few pricey FAs. Some good teams are almost nothing but. The Wiz sign Turiaf. I know the Naismith is within reach now. Just wait until N’Diaye develops. The Wiz will have multiple rings.Didn’t he promise 7? The Wiz suck because 2/3rds of the team will eventually be replaced.

by hambonejackson on Jan 9, 2012 12:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Or they are not a good fit for a team

No one can bring in all these players in over a season and expect to win with them. They do need time. I just don’t think that many players will be around from this team that will be on a very good team. They should be happy if there are 5 of them.

by hambonejackson on Jan 9, 2012 12:43 AM EST up reply actions  

The one player that resembles Kevin Durant in ths draft is Quincy Miller.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Jan 9, 2012 12:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree

I think i take him 1st overall if I’m the wiz

by j_edg on Jan 9, 2012 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

DC as a market should have the same pull

since it has such a cool B’ball tradition/history. it’s the franchise that is a turn-off to FA’s, not the city. sucks

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Jan 8, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Given that Baltimore and Virgina don't have basketball teams

The Wizards have a lot of opportunity to grow their brand and have a decent tv market. I agree the District does provide the extracurricular of Miami, but it’s a fun city nonetheless.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Fixed

DC as a market doesn’t have the same pull

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

RE: the OKC model

Kevin Durant: #2 overall
Russel Westbrook #4 overall
James harden #3 overall
Serge Ibaka #24 overall
Traded for Sefolosha and Perkins
Kept Nick Collison (#12 overall)

You know who resembles the OKC model the best so far? the TWolves:
Ricky Rubio #5 overall
Wes Johnson #4 overall
Derrick Williams #2 overall
Mike Beasley # 2 overall
Kevin Love #5 overall

Wizards?
John Wall #1 overall
Jan Vesely #6 overall
Kevin Seraphin #17 overall
Chris Singleton # 18 overall
Trevor Booker # 23 overall
Jordan Crawford #28 overall
Most important ‘older’ keepers are a second rounder in Blatche, and mid first rounders McGee and Nick Young.

rebuilding entirely through the draft was always going to be a crapshoot strategy because any pick can blow up in your face, turn out to be great or, most likely, something in the middle. However, settling for mid to late first rounders to base your rebuild on is nightmare tactic. It’s basically hoping you get as lucky as the Spurs.

IMHO you get 1 or 2 top 8 picks in 2010 and another one in 2011 and surround that with veterans to show them the way and to take the pressure of them.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 5:23 AM EST up reply actions  

The OKC model is tough and requires heaps of luck

And the Clippers “turned it around it one season” after having Blake Griffin, Deandre Jordan, and Eric Gordon on the same team

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 9, 2012 10:00 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I believe your analysis is incorrect.

The OKC model involved obtaining a multitude of young assets, letting them grow into effective players. Other teams obtained similar young assets, but traded them for established stars. The Celtics and Clippers come to mind. Other teams have done the OKC model; the Bulls and Spurs. But the basic premise, obtaining young, cost-controlled players, works. Then, it is a matter of trading/retaining the talent.

We needed to acquire talent while not blowing our cap powder for the next year. I understand BOYD is harder now, but Ernie needed to find a creative way to use cap space to obtain long-term talent — if only role players — this prior off-season.

Another lottery pick + FA + a role player from last offseason could have paid dividends next season. Now, we will one too many holes.

by zeke5123 on Jan 9, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree with zeke

While it is unlikely any team in the near future will have as much success in the draft as OKC did, getting talent through the draft played a significant role in most of the current playoff teams. Trying to do what Miami did seems like a much more ridiculous model to try to follow, as evidenced by the teams that tried that same summer and ended up with plan B, plan C, or nothing at all.

Boston had to have someone like Al Jefferson in order to trade for Garnett, and a top pick to trade for Ray Allen. The Clips didn’t turn it around in one season. They drafted Blake and DeAndre and had drafted pieces like Gordon to trade for CP3. It’s en vogue right now to advocate the Mark Cuban “spend until you win” model, but a) that model has not produced sustained playoff success, b) even they had to have a young piece in Devin Harris (using the Wiz’s pick) to trade for Kidd, and c) the new rules will make that path more painful.

Certainly it would have been nice to get more for the collection of talent they traded away. It could have helped accelerate the process. But really, in terms of tradable assets, the cupboard was bare. Now they’ve cleared the decks and started re-stocking the shelves, so that their can either build with pieces they draft or at least have something tradable to acquire pieces they need.

by ts35 on Jan 9, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He used cap space last year to bring in Singleton, Turiaf and Crawford. We don’t really have roster holes, but we need to upgrade several spots in the lineup. It’s time to start consolidating talent by making 3 for 1 type deals to get true stars.

by Mr. E on Jan 9, 2012 6:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Come again?
We don’t really have roster holes

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

all the more reason Flip should be fired immediately

What kind of HEAD COACH has so little pull with his assistants and players that he cant knock both of them in line? Instead, just MINUTES before the game this happens and Lewis sits? Flip is just pathetic, I’m sorry, but if you want a “last straw” here it is.

No wonder the team looked like this today, the entire lead up to the game was some bullshit drama between a coach and player….jesus, this team does not deserve the fans it has

by DCrez on Jan 8, 2012 11:35 PM EST reply actions  

0-8 is a little too soon

If you fire Flip and nothing changes, then what? I think he’s an established enough coach you give him a little more time to see if he can right the ship. I think 0-12 is the “jump ship” point. If he wins a few games, I think you fire him near the All-star break.

The major problem, however, seems to be that we’re using the “Caps” model, and not the “OKC” model for acquiring talent. We add players, but what’s their role? Assuming Vesselly and Singleton both mature, they seem pretty redundant. Are they trying to convert Booker into a Gerald Wallace style 3 or a Carl Landry style 4? Where are the shooters? We have lots of athletes, very few shooters.

OKC wasn’t just about getting the best talent. They looked at fit. They didn’t think Harden was the best player overall, they thought he was the best fit. They saw him as somebody who could come off the bench.

The island of misfit toys that is our team isn’t Flip’s fault. Having a PG with a subpar shot means you have to place an emphasis on having good 3 point shooters at the 2 and 3. Lewis has been terrible this season. Young isn’t shooting enough 3 pts. Crawford’s 3 pt shooting seems to regressed. When teams play the Wizards, they can play off their man to take away Wall’s driving lanes.

The team isn’t build right. That may be by design, since our talent level isn’t sufficient. You can tank by drafting players who all play the same position. Kahn calls it “drafting.” If you do it for 2-3 years, you’ll snag some great pieces.

by GJennings on Jan 9, 2012 2:27 AM EST up reply actions  

We claim to want players who wil "do anything" to win

If you’re a player, isnt the best way to win to get the hell out of DC as soon as you can? Is Javale or Nick or John or whomever supposed to think “Ok, I’m the guy who will turn all this around!”

or should they think “If I stay here I’ll never win no matter what I do”

it’s falling apart Ted, do something!

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 AM EST reply actions  

Grunfelds Last Stand

Im thinking it may be a possibility that ernie is keeping lewis here for a reason. Right now its a contract on the books to keep us over the minimum. But Before the deadline maybe ernie expects to be able to trade him to another team who wants an expiring contract. Then the contracts off our hands and we get a pick and a random player or two. If I know ernie he is keeping him here for a reason, maybe not the one i just mentioned but theres a reason.

by NickJones24 on Jan 9, 2012 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Ted's a very smart man?

Amen and Amen. You are one of the few people here who see the light. This is not a rebuild. This is just a money grab. Thats why we take any player that other teams are willing to pay us to take. It keeps payroll low, keep fans at bay while keeping interest and resources on the hockey team.

It’s funny how the hockey team is not run this poorly. It is funny how the hockey team gets what it needs when it needs it. It’s funny how smart decisions are made for the hockey team while head scratchers are made for us isn’t it

One could conclude that Ted wanted the arena and had to buy the basketball team to get it but has no real interest in improving the team or building a winner! He had to have known that it was going to take a huge investment in talent to be competitive in a division with Dwight Howard and Lebron James in it! He could not have thought that this was adequate! This “it’s going to be painfull”, build with rookies and washed up vets on a one year NBA minimum contract has been a smoke screen all along and because most wizard fans are redskins fans that think everything works like football, fell for it hook line and sinker!

by wizwoneword on Jan 9, 2012 4:05 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Didn't Ted originally want to buy the basketball team?

As I recall, Abe wouldn’t sell him that at the time.

by MeToo on Jan 9, 2012 9:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Ted wanted everything, but the thinking at the time was that the Wiz were the main target

Abe unloaded the Caps on Ted and promised Ted the ability to be the first guy in line to buy the Wiz. Who knows, though, what has happened since Ted first entered the scene. I think he just likes the fun of winning games. Winning at basketball is different. There’s no real minor league team to stash our kids while they develop. There’s also a smaller talent pool (smaller rosters). He’s trying to grow oranges in an apple orchard. It ain’t gonna work.

by jakenbake on Jan 9, 2012 10:32 AM EST up reply actions  

Having recently red Ted's book

This is not representative whatsoever who he is.

Will work for Recs.

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're forgetting the history of the Caps

After the Jagr debacle and going through the lockout, Ted blew up the team and suffered through some very lean years where he didn’t spend on FA’s and built a base of talent through the draft. Once that was accomplished, then he started spending the money to fill in the pieces.

by ts35 on Jan 9, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Put him in there for 48 minutes/game

And then fine and sue him when he doesn’t play. Like the Skins did with that DL’man who wouldn’t play, I forget his name. OK, that didn’t work out so well either.

I just don’t think you can give the players what they want. True punishment for all of them would be more of the same, good and hard.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 9, 2012 4:51 AM EST reply actions  

They're out at sea with a paddle and about to get raided by Somali pirates

Don’t come by with an ocean liner to pick them up and offer bottle service and a night of sophistication.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 9, 2012 5:04 AM EST up reply actions  

This is a disaster

The Arenas ordeal and Big 3 split was the worst I have even seen an NBA team go through but this is arguably much more chaotic. That happened at the end of an era, this is happening during the supposed beginning of one. All of these players, well most, are here because they are supposed to be apart of this new era and this is not only their first impression of this franchise but what they are getting accustomed to.

This can get much worse than it already is so I think some sweeping changes need to be made ASAP (or at least considered).

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 9, 2012 4:58 AM EST reply actions  

He says the same thing everytime.

He should know what is best for the team and ask flip to play him off the bench, that would be a true captains move.

by Entr0py on Jan 9, 2012 5:37 AM EST up reply actions  

No, it's not really saying the right thing.

“It’s my fault” because I listened to “everyone else” is a way of saying it’s everyone else’s fault. There is something missing in this young man’s maturity or character that seems to prevent him from truly taking responsibility. (This loss, by the way, was not his fault, but never being in shape is.)

by jmuravchik on Jan 9, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. He doesn't even know what's the right thing to say

He is up 2am can’t sleep. How about fans like me who got up at 2am to watch them play like crap! (Where 1pm game is my 2am game!)

by isum on Jan 9, 2012 9:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Sounds like a guy who took Ted's "you are the leader" to heart

and can’t handle the pressure…

He played best when he had no expectations. I bet he blossoms when he moves on. Sometime people just need a change of scenery.

But it sounds like he cares…there is that…getting booed every time you touch the ball can’t be fun…

That being said, what is he doing that others are trying to make him do? He is missing dunks, goal tending free throws, not boxing out, getting outjumped by guards, and taking fadeaways on fast breaks…pretty sure no one told him to do that…

Here is my recommendation if anyone is listening…(they are not)….tell Andray to turn the computer off, block all of his followers, turn ESPN and NBA TV off. And any time he gets the urge to interact with a sports related item, go work on his post game, take some jumpers, or lift some weights. Stop being a prisoner of the moment. Take up music, art, or politics….do something instead of trying to self psycho analyze his game and issues.

From the armchair, he seems fragile. Nothing wrong with that, but he and the team have to accept it. The game of square peg round hole isn’t working.

Also sounds like he and Shard were the main two called out, and they reacted differently. I have to say, I like Dray’s response better. At least he is trying…

The problem is he just isn’t that good…

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 9:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

This
He played best when he had no expectations. … From the armchair, he seems fragile.

Yep. It seems to me that he’s in a negative feedback cycle.

The problem is he just isn’t that good…

Talent-wise, he’s an NBA player. There’s no doubt about that. But he just doesn’t appear to be a mentally strong person. The best thing we could have ever done for him as fans was continue to cheer the jersey. Its starting to seem like the deal is done.

That being said, what is he doing that others are trying to make him do?

Well they run a whole lot of pick and pop with him. On top of that, their offensive schemes leave him out on the perimeter a lot. His teammates want him down low. He claims to want to be down low, but if he has a wide open jumper then the offensive system just about requires him to take it. He doesn’t crash the boards when the shot is about to go up. Defensively he doesn’t have the lateral quickness to rotate effectively, and he doesn’t have the hops to defend the rim. About the only thing he does well defensively is 1-on-1 post defense. I can’t tell one way or another WTF he wants to be or where/how he wants to play. At this point its just sad really. He either needs to be pushed to the bench by a clearly superior PF (and there are none on the roster), or he needs to be traded to someone else’s bench. Either way, that would take a lot of pressure off of him.

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I think he's just lazy and undisciplined.

The guy is going backwards physically at age 25….that is astounding, every nba player worth their salt is still heading towards their physical peak at that age while Dray is regressing. Only one reason that happens, you’re too lazy to put in the work and diet.

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Are we sure that this isn't what he wants?
Well they run a whole lot of pick and pop with him. On top of that, their offensive schemes leave him out on the perimeter a lot. His teammates want him down low.

You could be right. But he also said he was a finesse player last year. I am honestly asking. Who does he think he is? He doesn’t have to tell us, but ambiguous tweets don’t help.

I typed that before I saw your last few lines, which I agree with. I am wondering what he really thinks he is. His best moves seem to be on the post with an “old man” game. Lots of pump fakes and misdirection with the option of going to the rim or fading away. But he doesn’t do that a lot. So maybe that is it. I am just not sure.

Regardless, it seems like he needs the ball and time to be successful. Maybe that is why Flip calls early isos for him. But those play calls are the worst option for this team, in my opinion. They aren’t talented enough to rely on themselves in iso. They need a ball movement, fast paced style to be successful in my opinion. Maybe that is why they are questioning gameplans. I don’t know. It is just frustrating watching a team literally self destruct in slow motion.

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

As bad as those play calls are,

the only better ones are 1. Javale in the Post (when facing a sub-par opposing center) and 2. a Nick Young iso.

I mean, I’m fresh out of ideas, and it looks like Flip is too… Their best option, hypothetically speaking, is for Wall to attack the paint and dish for easy shots. However… There is no spacing, because there are no shooters. That means that Wall can’t attack the paint. Wall can’t shoot. That means that Wall can’t attack the paint. To a man, they can’t run the P&R. That means that Wall can’t attack the paint.

Ball movement is their only hope, but its all but impossible to sustain that for 48 minutes. Because after a while, defenses just lay back, play the passing lanes, defend the paint from easy layups, and give up the open jumpers.

On defense they’re horrible in defending the P&R. They’re horrible in sticking with shooters. They’re horrible in just about everything except funneling guards to Javale for the shot block and 1-on-1 post defense.

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah that hurts too.

But that’s not the biggest problem I see. To me its the lack of ability to run Flip’s sets.

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

What sets?

A lot of the iso stuff looks purely by design

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

how about the fact

that there is only 1 guy on the whole squad who is a legit outside shooter?

by jmuravchik on Jan 9, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Shooters

(and the lack of ability to run the P&R) are the reason we can’t run Flip’s sets

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

weakside movement during the iso on the left

(which seems to be the favored side) would help a ton….how many times has someone made a good post move only to find 2 more defenders there to help…and then not be capable of finding the open man….

I don’t think that is all on the players, you have to wonder is that is play design.

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Perhaps we should hire a Team Psychiatrist. Sometimes guys just need a little medicine to put things back into perspective — a little adderall, a little prozac/ssri, could work wonders.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 9, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

But, he has been himself.

But, he has been himself.

Shooting poorly from distance is exactly who he is. The problem is that our primary scoring option is Blatche who can either be decent if the post move is there or less than average on an open look from distance, or horrid if the distance shot is contested.

The more we lean on him as a primary scorer, the more distance shots he is forced to take, and the worse he looks.

Blatche shouldn’t beat himself up for being exactly who he’s been for the past 2 years. The fact that he is one of our best options in the half-court is the real problem.

by kigaro on Jan 9, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Maybe everything in this town associated with sports is inept

It’s 6:05 a.m., and Comcast SportsNet just showed 4 minutes of their show taped Saturday night before someone woke up and realized the mistake.

by disgrunted on Jan 9, 2012 6:09 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Well finally the truth is out

and the cleansing can begin. I can’t stand all the innuendo and speculation that is caused by the one or two sentences that athletes tweet now a days.

This didn’t take long to come to the surface which is great. This season is still salvageable Please EG get rid of this turd.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 9, 2012 7:49 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Sigh

Maybe its just so early in the morning today, but with everything going on right now with this franchise, I kind of feel like crying a little bit. I’m serious. I can’t imagine another franchise in such a mess as this is now.

Also, what poor timing to change the jerseys/court/logo of the Wizards. What a terrible decision. Someone must have thought that the future was coming, but, O my lord does it look bleek now. If I am Wall, I am really considering getting the heck out of Washington as soon as he can.

by Joe Kobos on Jan 9, 2012 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

He can't, unless he gets traded

Or wait two more yrs after this one but still, he is restricted then. Wiz can match anything they offer him so basically, he is stuck here for atleast 5 more yrs here.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

That's the good news...

Now Ted, let’s give Wall a reason to actually WANT to be here.

by khrabb on Jan 9, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

he can force his way out...just like others have the last few years

Maybe Ted should have considered that when he was taking the hard line owners side…

by DavidDunn on Jan 9, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions  

How can he he force his way out?

We can match whatever any team offers…he wont be in the Melo situation til his 2nd contract is up

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Technically he can ask for a trade though, like Cousins...

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 9, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

eh, i cant worry about that.

if he’s that type of player we dont want him. I totally get he may think this is the worst org in the entire league (it clearly is) and want to leave as soon as he can…but the draft is the draft and he’s our player. Threatening to sit out or whatever shouldnt be an option for him unless he’s a troublesome sort to begin with

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Any reason(s) his shot isn’t falling? His form looks good, he’s looking at the rim, I will admit his arc is flat and that takes away the “shooter’s bounce” but Kobe’s arc is flat so if his aim was better that wouldn’t be a problem.

by Janber on Jan 9, 2012 10:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No his whole shooting motion is off

Even dribbling into the jumper doesn’t look right. He’s leaning backwards, even jumping backwards almost. He rises to the top of his elevation and flicks the ball. Doesn’t extend his arm to follow through. Doesn’t look good at all.

by jones-y on Jan 9, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re overstating the historic nature of this team’s failings a little early. It’s been a few player/coach spats so far, but not really as bad as the Cousins incident in Sactown recently. Not nearly as bad as Gilbert Arenas and gungate, imo. Yes, we have only played 8 games this year, and the 2011-2012 edition of the Wizards could indeed reach horror of historic proportions, but on the flipside this thing could really be corrected to ending up merely “bad” as in “losing season” bad. Management can correct some of this stuff — that’s what (competent) management is supposed to do! I still have hope left — that we can win 16-18games rather than 5-6!

by Tbonebullets on Jan 9, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I hope not. If true, that would mean we’re in “historically bad” territory. I continue believe that management has a chance to prove itself here.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 9, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wow , what a mess

If we win less than 6 games I think Ted owes us something in return for this pitifull execuse for a team. How about change tge name back to the bullets.

by tyronenesby2000 on Jan 9, 2012 10:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Exactly. Some perspective here, I think: the lockout prevented management’s ability to assess players during a long preseason; and this young team really could have benefited from the preparation/training of preseason. So we were hurt by that. Normally, the GM and Coach would have agreed on the need to bring in (trade for) some veteran leadership and we didn’t have a chance to do that.

Outside of Wall, our primary trade chips are Singleton and McGee. Vess isn’t included because no one knows his value yet.

Wild cards are Blatche (might be good off the bench for somebody), Nick (might be the missing piece for a playoff team) and Lewis (a team might want to use him to send some salary to us). Hopefully we can use any of these guys to bring in some talent and/or leadership to help us win a few more games. We’re going to be in the lottery no matter what we do.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 9, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

4 of 5 starters are the same from last year.

3 of 5 starters are in their 3rd year with Flip….hard to use the lockout as an excuse, every team endured the lockout and many had bigger personel changes than us and/or head coaching changes.

But every other team is doing better than us.

Damning imo

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

There was very little time for trades actually.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 9, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

If this report is true, he should never play here again

Not if we’re serious about having accountability on this team. The entire season is a complete mess so far, and something has to be done. I don’t care who goes at this point, but something has to change.

by seewhite on Jan 9, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions  

I hope he gets waived

and then spills all the beans. I dont think Lewis is a player who ever had attitude issues in the past, and he is a true vet that has played in the Finals and on very, very good teams. Would love to hear what he has to say about what’s really going on here and how it compares to successful teams.

Not absolving him for what he apparently did….would just like to hear his opinion on this organization.

by DCrez on Jan 9, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

He also watched Nate McMillan get run out of town in Seattle

and the complete demise of a franchise because of a shit owner. He may not consider this his worst stop.

by djnnnou on Jan 9, 2012 12:09 PM EST up reply actions  

He's not worried at all

And this is in some ways an example of what a complete joke the lockout turned out to be. If not for his contract, maybe we would be seeing a little bit of effort from guys to prove their worth every year. Right now, Lewis can get into a spat with an assistant coach, take off a game against the Timberwolves on a sunday matinee, and still cash that game check and there isn’t a damn thing anyone can do about it. We are going to suck for a loooooong time if we keep coddling players like Blatche and Lewis, who play with zero passion or common sense.

by seewhite on Jan 9, 2012 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Wizards run no offensive set,

watching the game yesterday @ Verizon was horrible.

The only time I got excited was when Rubio was on the court. T-Wolves were running double curls, alot misdirection plays, pick and rolls.

Our offensive set consisted of J-Wall driving in really fast with his head down and throwing the ball in the air hoping to get fouled, or ISO top of key/3 pt line by Nick Young or Jordon Crawford – hold the ball for 5 secs staring down the the defender without moving the ball – then throwing up some random BS fadeaway….

This is not rucker park. _ most frustrating Wizards game, I’ve ever been too. Even worse than the games from 2000-2001 with Richard Hamilton, Howard, Nesby, and Popeye Jones, Hubert Davis and co.

It had to be the worst display of Basketball I’ve ever experienced in my life. _

by bonafide on Jan 9, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions   3 recs

The Curse O' Les Boulez

This team gets worse every year. I’m starting to believe in The Curse O’ Les Boulez.

by ABOVETHELAW on Jan 9, 2012 12:56 PM EST reply actions  

I love how ppl want to ditch the rebuilding process..

the only way we can bring in some new players to contribute is if we over pay a lot for them… no one wants to come to the laughing stock of the league. So forget this Eric Gordon and Dwight Howard talk cuz it’s not going to happen. Only chance is to develop our young “talent”. Starts with the progress of Wall and McGee… both have the ability to be All-Stars but have A LOT to learn…. I said last year based on what i’ve seen from Wall that we were 3-4 years away..

by koop1122 on Jan 9, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

This could be a good thing

Because it forces the hands of the coach and the GM. If Lewis doesn’t play, there’s more time for singleton, Booker, and Vesely. That’s good. This team needs it’s youth to play. We’re not winning anything this year.

It also may force the GM to look for ways to trade Lewis’ salary, hopefully for help. Honestly, I wouldn’t force a trade though. Lewis’s value on the market is going to be at it’s highest this summer and next season’s trade deadline, we he essentially turns into a cost-cutting contract.

And next season, unless we plan on signing a big time free agent, there’s no reason to amnesty Lewis. We have to pay his salary either way, so easier to just cut him and use the amnesty on Blatche, if we aren’t able to use him in a trade.

by segastyle on Jan 9, 2012 1:27 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like to know what the argument between Sam and Lewis was about....

Was Sam on his case about not hustling back on that turnover? Because the aspect of that play that keeps getting overlooked is that when he was tip-toeing at the halfcourt line after he saved the ball, no Wizard came to help. None. It doesn’t excuse not getting back on D, but I could see him being equally disgusted at the players he’s playing with.

I see it in other areas as well. Wall hits the floor a few hundred times a game (or so it seems), but many times none of his teammates go over to help him up. I don’t know if it speaks to their general selfish mentality, or if a lot of these guys really just don’t like each other. But clearly in their play and in these smaller things, their chemistry sucks.

I don’t think they should outright cut Lewis though, unless he continues to be a problem. That’s just cutting off your nose to spite your face. They’d be eating his buyout and getting nothing in return. His only trade value at this point has to be as a shorter-term, partially guaranteed contract, which increases in the offseason with only one partially guaranteed year left and the harsher Lux Tax penalties looming.

They’ve dealt with AB, Young and McGee being headaches, EG has dealt with Arenas, and BTH and Etan fighting. I think they can deal with Lewis being unhappy for a few more months.

by ts35 on Jan 9, 2012 1:38 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Oh, I've already come to the conclusion that these guys HATE each other

On paper, their styles should mesh, but instead we have a bunch of guys who just don’t fit together. The guys who want to run and hustle with Wall are all too raw or unskilled to score much, and the only guys we have with skill and experience are lazy and not as good as advertised. You can see it on the court; as soon as Singleton or Booker checks in with Wall there is more of a sens of urgency, even though they get worked by more experienced teams, while with Blatche and Lewis we are just going through the motions. Either way, its a mess, and the mix is just not working.

by seewhite on Jan 9, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions  

The more games we lose the better

The only way to get good through the draft is to have high picks. We’ll certainly have a high pick this year.

What I will say is that it is disappointing that the current group does not give maximum effort, especially on defense. Given how poorly they shoot, they would probably lose most games anyway, but at least that would show progress in the right direction.

Flip should be fired because:

1) the team is not showing effort
2) i think he wants to be fired

I really can see no downside to replacing Flip at this point. Somebody has got to get these guys to play defense.

by wizards24 on Jan 9, 2012 3:06 PM EST reply actions  

Shaka Smart

could teach these kids to play.

by ABOVETHELAW on Jan 9, 2012 4:38 PM EST reply actions  

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