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  • Ah yes, the old "players-only meeting" fix. [AP | Washington Times | CSN Washington (Hanrahan, Johnson) | Washington Post | Washington Examiner]
  • So, we need to talk about this for a second. [Thomas Boswell on John Wall]
  • Boswell is right in this respect: Wall has to play better, and the Wizards need to hold him accountable for poor play. But there are several problems with this argument.
  • For one, it assumes Wall isn't working a lot with the coaches to get better. I challenge Boswell to come to a game and watch the way Sam Cassell works with Wall on his jump shot ... and that's just before games.
  • For another, Boswell's stripping all context from the supposed advanced stats he's citing. Very baseball-ian.
  • Sure, Wall turned it over a lot last year, but young point guards commit a lot of turnovers in this league. Compare Wall to those players specifically for a real apples-to-apples comparison.
  • And the effective field goal percentage thing: again, why compare Wall to guys like John Stockton and Steve Nash? If Boswell understood the stat better, he'd understand it penalizes penetrating guards who aren't three-point shooters. Look at where Wall's rookie-year eFG% stands compared to five other recent rookie point guards. All five players are now effective players, and their games are more similar to Wall's. (And then there's comparing Wall and DeMarcus Cousins to make a point about John Calipari, which is especially hilarious).
  • Finally, Boswell notes that only four No. 1 picks have gone from having a PER in the teens to a career PER in the 20s, then leaves off Derrick Rose -- last year's MVP, mind you -- because he's at 19.5 at age 23. A little intellectually dishonest, I'd say.
  • Point being: nobody should absolve Wall of criticism, but point guards often take time, and Boswell citing the rookie stats he did was an awfully weird way of making his point.
  • And as a follow-up on that point, here's my piece on Houston's Kyle Lowry and point guards developing slowly nowadays. [SB Nation]
  • Not looking like there will be a lineup change tonight. [Washington Examiner]
  • The definitive read on Andray Blatche [Truth About It]
  • Practice is not making perfect [Washington Times]
  • Nick Young may be forcing the issue. He's also calling out the game plan. [HoopsWorld]
  • But how many steps back did the Wizards really take? [DC Sports Bog]
  • Jan Vesely is getting closer to returning. [Wizards Insider]
  • And he's not a miracle-worker [@craigstouffer]
  • Nice essay on Gilbert Arenas, who turned 30 years old yesterday. [Truth About It]
  • The Wizards get mentioned as a possible DeMarcus Cousins destination, and some notes on tonight's reeling opponent. [Ken Berger]
  • A sampling of the last Knicks game recap, to paint an even better picture of their disarray. [Posting and Toasting]
  • Roger Mason plays his former team, who he doesn't like very much. [Wizards Insider]
  • If the Wizards win, Spike Lee will do something crazy. [SB Nation D.C.]
  • So this complaint seems pretty silly. [Box Seats]
  • A Bullets hockey team. Pretty cool. [DC Sports Bog]

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I'm growing increasingly disappointed with WaPo and other "traditional" news outlets

When I was growing up, I read the sports page every day, at first with my dad and then on my own. I listened to (and sometimes still do) Steve Czaban and the SportsReporters to get my news and analysis. But these people are starting to piss me off. They are always late on the news (seriously, how hard is it to get a Twitter) and their analysis is increasingly one sided and misinformed, especially in regards to basketball where the players are now almost entirely of a different generation than the traditional media staffs covering them. This Boswell piece is just the latest. Mike Wise, Tracee, etc. have all written things in the past year or so that lack of understanding. Thanks to this community and others like it for keeping up with the times.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 6, 2012 12:54 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Washington Post has turned into the TMZ of the DC area. Very few amount of their article are written with any journalistic integrity and they also have a lot of their sports columns written by people who don’t watch the games or understand the sport very well.

As for the Sports Reporters, I stopped listening to ESPN 980 a long time ago. Although I’m not a fan of every show on 106.7, they definitely are generally more knowledgeable about the teams in this area. I think Mike Wise does a good job following the team (even though his radio show is not very good) and I think Bill Rohland is pretty knowledgable too. Other than that, it is hard to find anyone on the radio that knows anything outside the Redskins.

And by the way, Czaban is so stubborn and so ignorant. He and Andy Pollin couldn’t possibly watch a second of this team. They are definitely out of tune with the modern days of sports.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Pollin is insufferable.

I think he believes the majority of nba players are illiterate, he’s that type of sports fan.

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

he is intentionally ignorant and stubborn

and sounds like he hates his job. he’s like an old man. he is just going through the motions. czaban can piss me off but he has fun, is smart and has actual talent. pollin has none of this.

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't always listen to talk radio, but when I do

I can’t stand czab. He’s the one who sounds like the angry old man who still holds a grudge against ESPN, or anybody not stuck on local sports radio. Local sports radio, especially in DC, is like some sort of Groundhog Day in which you have to report on the same exact story day after day (breaking news: Redskins still suck).

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 6, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't think czaban is great

but he is a legit radio talent, imo.

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST up reply actions  

I get that

He is a genuine radio talent. So is Jim Rome. Doesn’t mean I have to listen.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST up reply actions  

gun to your head:

have to listen to rome, or cowherd?
answer: pull the trigger

"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier

by little stevie colter on Jan 6, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

THE CHOICE IS MADE!

Whoa! Whoa-oa!
The Traveller has come!
Nobody choose anything!
[turns to Egon]
Did you choose anything?
No.
DID YOU?
My mind is totally blank.
I didn’t choose anything /stare at ReturnofBillyJOe
I couldn’t help it. It just popped in there.
WHAT just popped in there?
…I tried to think…
LOOK!
No! It CAN’T be!
What is it?
It CAN’T be!
What did you DO, ReturnofBillyJOe?
Oh, shit!
Tracee Hamilton’s on SportsCenter

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

They still have the area's best beat reporters, by and large

I agree that their columnists have really lost their way, though. Wise is the only one I still enjoy.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Boz should stick to baseball

or understand he has to drop the stats obession when he talks about basketball and football. Overall I do like Boz though, one of the few holdouts from the WaPo sports page glory years

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 1:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

Also, can’t leave out Steinberg. Major props to WaPo for embracing his voice like they do – big risk for a traditional media entity.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions  

get what you pay for.

Traditional newspapers cant afford to pay columnists what they used to, so you get Sally Jenkins reading an espn recap of a Wizards game then emailing in a column from her home in new york.

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Jason Reid

Is the worst columnist WaPo has ever had, as far as I am concerned. I am fairly certain I could write more insightful thoughts than he can…and his Redskins coverage (and the Post in general honestly) almost seems like its trying to stir up the hornets nets for web traffic and angry-fan dollars.

by Maroon and Black on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Right there with you

Talk with dad about DC sports whenever we’re together, what’s coming out in the local media, and it seems like Reid’s pieces are typically pointless incendiary garbage

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's a good reporter/networker miscast in a role he's not good at

It just seems awkward when he puts an opinion out there now.

I will say he is getting better. I still remember that column he wrote saying Mike Rizzo wasn’t equipped to be a major-league GM because he wouldn’t allow the media to talk to the hitting coach.

by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

or that generic

“The wiz need better defense” article with zero explanation how to fix it

by Maroon and Black on Jan 6, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

enough with taking shots at black columnist

that suck lol. Reid is pretty bad Sally Jenkins is worse much worse she’s so disconnected to the DC Area heck she lives in NY.

Mike Wise is also pretty bad he’s not a serious columnist doesn’t have the flavor of the area either. He’s a ranter just ges on rants and sorta beats a dead horse he feels like he has to create more gloom and doom then is really there as if Skins fans are delusional.

Reid he just doubles down on the simplest of points. Tries drawing hard conclusions based on coach spin.

Wilbon and Kornheiser were my dudes through the late 80’ and mid 90’s till they went all Hollywood with the tv stuff. The late great was my dude when I was a kid Shirley Povich.

Miss the good old days.

I like Mike Lee though he seems to have a pulse of whats really happening with the Wizards not mad at anything he comes up with.

by jazzy1 on Jan 6, 2012 2:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I remember Kornheiser calling out Reid

Essentially saying “if you bash the coach in your first column and call for his firing, what are you gonna do for columns 2-100?” And he was right. I agree with the blog proprietor, Reid is in the wrong job.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 6, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what happened to Riggins show

i know many people hated him for being so hard on shanny….but he went so far with it, often for the purposes of comedy, that eventually there was simply nothing else to say

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions  

We have a game today

lets just cut out all the bullshit that has happened so far this season and focus on winning this game. No whining about the rebuilding process, no bitching about ’Dray’s jumper, no crying about John not performing well so far this season. Lets just root for our team, because that’s pretty much all we can do. Go Wizards

"Through your existence, become wealthy, knowledge is king"- Nasir Jones

"When you play for the Wizards, [Gilbert Arenas] is like Michael Jackson. He's playin with a lot of Tito Jacksons." - Charles Barkley

by XAGMNINETY on Jan 6, 2012 12:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

to the stop bitching about things comment.

I vow to not bitch on the open thread tonight. And I hope some of you join me.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I try not to...

but if I start to get the feeling that I’m going to see some variation of “Tyson Chandler finally asserted his defensive prowess against the winless Washington Wizards”, there’s going to be a couple /sighs in the offing…

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 2:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Rut Roh!

“He has been nothing but professional—and a good teammate—but a source close to him told Sporting News that there is concern about how Wall will develop as a player with a Wizards group that is lacking in basketball IQ, that ranks 29th in points and field-goal percentage, last in offensive efficiency and 23rd in defensive efficiency.

"You can’t raise good crops in bad soil," the source said."

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2012-01-06/john-wall-wizards-flip-saunders-andray-blatche-nick-young-javale-mcgee?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#ixzz1iiB1KPzK

by Unselds on Jan 6, 2012 3:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick said the same thing this summer

or at least ‘a source close to him’ said he felt he’d have become a better player elsewhere. Doesnt matter if it’s true or not, if it’s the perception our players have then they’re bolting when they can

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoops.
Mason wound up stashed on the inactive list and getting limited minutes

Can’t be thrilled in his current role…

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Tonight's perfect night for the Vesley era to begin

Knicks play no defense at all, just through length and running Ves should be able to find a few crowd pleasing dunks to get the VC fired up!

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 1:35 PM EST reply actions  

this team will not improve until

Wall gets a jumper! Just like rose in his second year. Even in rose first year he still shot the jumper. Wall doesn’t have the confidence to even take a j. We went from agent 0 who could shoot a 3 in your face to a pg scared to shoot!

by Objdadon on Jan 6, 2012 1:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I disagree with the Wall backlash but I'm not surprised

it’s the easy story for sure. Can we give him the year before we write off his year in comparison to Rose’s second year? Can we aknowledge the vast differences between the team Wall plays on and the team Rose plays on?

Finally, can we discard once and for all the notion that all we had to do was get a PG (a PG!!!) at #1 and then slot in players around him to build a dynasty?

Like I said last year, he ain’t Magic. He’s a good young PG. We need a LOT more than that to be successful.

by edubz on Jan 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Ah yes, the old “players-only meeting” ploy – (said with a heavy French accent)

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 6, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

hilarious it was a 15min meeting

“Sorry Mo, gotta bounce, bottle service at Love”

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 2:13 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

15 minutes?

they could have used that to save 15% on their car insurance with Geico!

by thewiz06 on Jan 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What do you think?

Of Lavar Arrington calling John Wall arrogant yesterday on his show? Basically said he and Chad Dukes have done more for DC than Wall. I’m thinking Wall just wasn’t talkative with Lavar on media day. From what I’ve seen he seems like a good kid.

by gilsix on Jan 6, 2012 2:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

lavar and dukes

Are the most negative, clueless, rude and idiotic people on the DC media. I stopped listening to them a few months ago and now just listen to 980, mostly coach and doc. Coach and doc actually have sense and unlike most of the DC media they aren’t the least bit negative. LaVar just needs attention and who knows how Duke got his job. They love hating on DC sports

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

DC media is blasting Wall right now

and I pisses me off to see this happening. Wall is by all accounts a good dude. All last year and off season people were praising his work ethic, his “down to earthness”, his attitude. Now after a string of bad games by the ENTIRE team, not just by him he’s “arrogant” and his is a problem kid? C’mon man. John’s been saying the right things and yes he’s been in a slump but he’s trying to make it work. Everything I’ve read or seen or heard from Wall suggests that the person being hardest on him during this slow start is himself. And besides, you start bashing Wall, who you gonna have left? JaVale? Child please.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 6, 2012 2:39 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Child Please, is what they gets

They can go ahead and kiss the baby on that

by KurisuDevil on Jan 6, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Wizards need a win. 1 win to take the edge off.

They need to bench someone important to prove a point they need to shorten the rotation to try and generate a style of play.

It can’t be everyone is young so everyone gets a chance. All that does is put everyone who comes in the game in hero mode if I make this play then I will insure I always play.

Flip needs to call more timeouts after small mistakes and uss someone out then put them back in the game.

He needs to bench Blatche for the slightest defensive breakdown or pull Nick Young if Mcgee is wide open and he looks him off.

He should play Mcgee and Wall together and often no matter what no penalties for mistakes let them work through their games they are the only real players we have that are productive and who have value around the league.

by jazzy1 on Jan 6, 2012 3:16 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

yeah, the most important aspect to this season is developing a rapport between Wall and Mcgee.

Currently there is none and that’s something Flip has to change. Those two need to become a tandem rather than diametrically opposed as it often appears

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Boz' article et al

Imo, Bos used to be great, but he has lost his fastball. He is still solid on baseball, but on any other sport his opinions are usually not insightful. Or they were insightful two months before when someone else already offered them. He talked about the jump from a player’s first to his second year, but with no mention at all of the lockout and the impact it might have had. Most players have the benefit of their team facilities, coaches and trainers during the offseason. I don’t think Wall suffered particularly from a facility standpoint, but I don’t think he benefitted as much from the barnstorming tour as he might have working with Sam and the team. And having a longer training camp.

As for 980 vs 106.7, I usually listen to Andy and Czabe, because I can’t stand LaVar and Chad most days. When the topic turns to the Wizards however, I usually tune Andy and Czabe out because they don’t have much to offer. Lovero (sp?) either. Their forte is the Redskins and they’ve worked to become a bit more Caps friendly. Which makes sense. They’re frontrunners because it’s their job to keep an audience. The Caps are supposed to be good and the Skins always sell, so that’s who they focus on. Really going to miss Coach Thompson, too. The only upgrade to 980’s hoops coverage imo has been bringing in Laron Profit. He knows hoops, he knows the area. Having him talk about the Wizards has been a pleasant change so far from the usual drivel.

by ts35 on Jan 6, 2012 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

When's Coach leaving?

the know-nothings (re:wizards) like Loverro etc just bash everything about the team and ridicule it without having any knowledge of the actual situation. Of course when someone with no knowledge bashes the Wizards chances are they are still somewhat correct…but I wont listen to it from people who do not follow the team

by DCrez on Jan 6, 2012 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Coach is leaving in February

He’s still going to do stuff with Westwood and Turner. Not sure if Doc is going to continue the show without him or if they’ll try to pick up Van Pelt or something instead.

by ts35 on Jan 6, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions  

personally i'm glad boswell made the counterpoint to reid's article

after what reid wrote, someone had to point out that wall is playing very poorly himself

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 6, 2012 4:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And for me that there was nothing particularly new about it

It’s not like people weren’t already aware of everything he said. Seemed like low-hanging fruit to me. I would expect more from someone who’s supposed to be a top columnist.

by ts35 on Jan 6, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Magic fan here

and I come in peace. The last game was atrocious because I really thought the Wiz were going to be an exciting team this year. Still can be though.

Excuse me if I ask a question that has already been answered here, but would the Wiz amnesty Blatche instead of Lewis? Most Magic fans still like Rashard because he carried himself like a pro all the time but just hated his contract. But looking at their salaries, Rashard is owed 22 next year on the final year of his deal but Blatche is owed about 23 total for the next 3 years. Seems like Lewis is the better contract going forward.

Good luck this year. I did think Seraphin was really fighting hard with Dwight which was good to see. Also, when is Vesely gonna see action?

"A man has got to have a code." -Bunk, Season 1; Omar, Season 4.

by L Magico on Jan 6, 2012 6:49 PM EST reply actions  

There is definitely a school of thought to amnesty Blatche instead.

I think it depends on what they could get for either in a trade and also presumes that they would have a replacement for AB in place. Lewis’ expiring contract may ultimately be more tradable next season. The plus for Blatche is that he has been able to produce (even if on a bad team) and is still young. It also largely depends on whether Ted still sees Dray as part of the future.

by ts35 on Jan 6, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

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