Mo Evans with an observation on the #Wizards: "The sense of entitlement that's here sometimes I've never seen before."
Mo Evans after calling a players-only meeting, via Craig Stouffer.
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Entitlement?
If someone feels entitled, that guy really needs a gut check.
This talk could have been like the time Antawn destroyed the fruit tray.
Michael Lee: Please release the audio for that! Please?
Wow – that game recap from 3 years ago
could easily describe any recent game
I don't get it
for them to feel entitled, who initiated the feeling? Where did the entitlement start? who’s really being called out here? who’s going to correct it, if the players don’t do what’s needed?
It's generational
Kids these days, I tell ya!
by imperialme on Jan 6, 2012 12:04 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
ok, i get that part
but what’s being done to correct it? Evans is going to fix it, or is it something that the org let get out of hand by not holding players accountable.
so in an indirect way
it’s a slam on mgmt also, but it probably flew over their heads
'Michael' Jordan Crawford, Andray '7 day' Blatche and Nick '$9mill' Young are my guess
Seem the most likely intended persons to me.
Especially since Crawford and Blatche were so heavilly featured with Wall. I don’t like how he didn’t seem to have developed one bit so far (one could actually make a strong case he severely regressed since summer league/ first view NBA games) but I have never seen anything from him that would suggest he feels entitled. Can’t imagine the new rooks are and neither that he is talking about Kevin, Booker or our vets (Turiaf, Lewis and Mason)
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 6, 2012 1:56 AM EST up reply actions
How?
He has been aware of what is asked of him (franchise player) but he never was cocky about imo. His humble and hungry theme last yr speaks for itself I think, although it seems rather pathetic with the way he is coming along on the court right now.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 6, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
It is arguable
Mainly because i dont have the numbers but its been said that he hasn’t improved since he’s been in the league. Off sight, i agree.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
he hasn’t improved since he’s been in the league
I agree and would go as far as saying he actually regressed. But that’s not proof of him having a false sense of entitlement.
Crawford saying he is better than Michael Jordan is a clear indication that he overestimates himself and to me, makes him a likely candidate to be amongst the players who think they deserve touches/a big role/a starting job when it’s clearly not matching his actual skills. I.E. a false sense of entitlement.
However, I have never seen a quote from Wall that would indicate he has a (false) sence of entitlement.
Since his arrival here he said he his coping strategy for the hype surrounding him was trying to stay ‘humble and hungry’. Now that he isn’t developing and is struggling on a struggling team he has said he knows he is the franchise player and that he is trying to live up to that and trying to be a leader. Clearly, he is having a tough time and like the Celtics announcers said, I think they are asking to much of him, too early.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 6, 2012 6:57 AM EST up reply actions
I used to like Antawn but he went too far. Yelling and cursing at your teammates is one thing,
But the fruit tray? Really? That’s fucked up.
by tw10 on Jan 6, 2012 3:37 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I would think that Andray tried to grab a mint when Antawn first gave his speech.
Otherwise, I think the fruit tray would have just stayed where it was.
But yeah, how in the world could a player on this team feel entitlement of all things
I just….my head will explode if i really try to comprehend it and make sense of it.
What does he expect. They learned at the feet of the master of entitlement, Gilbert Arenas.
What does he expect when Andray Blatche is rewarded for his whining about his contract shortly afer becoming a starter due to attrition and Ernie and Ted give him a $29 million extension.
by Knighthawk on Jan 5, 2012 4:58 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
News like this
Leads me to the knee-jerk desire to just clean house. Not sure how reasonable that is but jeeze…
by jakenbake on Jan 5, 2012 5:11 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Ugh ESPN Around the Horn just showed a off air clip of them
laughing hysterically at the 6pt Wiz player of the game….
how quickly it all went wrong
i’m now afraid Wall may get booed Friday. If the game starts out 22-6 it will be ugly, or completely empty…not sure which is worse
i think sunday is the game where wall could get booed......
by thewiz06 on Jan 5, 2012 5:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
what's the difference between Friday and Sunday?
i dont think anyone at VC on friday is going to be in a forgiving mood towards the team, coach, GM…
it will be worse on sunday
because we go against another young team that we thought was meddling more than we are right now
If John doesnt stick to Rubio like white on rice I'll be sick.
These hyped PG mathcups have to bring out the very best in him.
From what I hear, I expect Rubio to school JW
He had his year as the "young, hot PG prospect.’ The league now has Irving and Rubio to showcase. He has to earn his place.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
I want to see John take it upon himself to smother him.
obviously Ricky has elite court vision, everyone knew that, Flip needs to disrupt that with aggressive man defense from Wall. 3/4 court, whatever, tell John not to give him an inch. Get in his shorts like Kirk tries to do. Time for some inspirational talk too, fire John up
but Flip will probably just drone on about floating parabolic turd zones or whatever, and Ricky will have enough breathing room to torch us while superior athletes are instructed to not use their length and athleticism to its best advantage. And then after the game Flip will talk about how amazing Rubio is and mention that Javale failed to stop him. Oh well.
I thought about Kirk last night
Wall seems to have started to regress as soon as he lost Kirk..
Bibby was supposed to replace him, but when he left, it basically left John to listen to Sam Cassell as opposed to watching and learning from a Vet.
One could argue that the best thing for Wall to do would be to sign or trade for a veteran PG.
honestly i think the talk Ted is having with EG/Flip is along the lines of
“You have to win a few games starting right now! But be sure to keep the win total under 10 as we discussed previously.”
Yeah i think Ted is content with the losses and draft positioning
but i think he is severely underestimating the long-standing damage this losing is causing
i think this intentional.
like a Greg Anthony said, the roster was designed to fail. Ted has been selling patience and how difficult this will be from day1, this what they want or it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. Teams are not this bad by chance, just like TWolves losing 15 straight to close out the season and their owner going apeshit about not winning the lotto…it’s on purpose. Flip has won 1100 games in the nba, and this is the best he can do? Ernie has been in the nba forever and he didnt realize the team wouldnt be able to score? I call bullshit, this season is an intentional tank for the lottery. Just my opinion.
i also heard promises of the playoffs from flip saunders
and i know every coach should be optimistic, but if he saw this coming he shouldn’t have made outrageous claims like that
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions
No you did not
You heard him say what would have to go right for the Wizards to make the playoffs. Things are bad enough on their own without people needing to make stuff up.
slow your hate homie
Flip Saunders:
I want to compete for the playoffs
Now you might want to reply with “HE SAID COMPETE NOT MAKE THEM” but again, i think these claims were indicative of him overestimating his team. Disagree? You think he expected what is transpiring this season? No? ok.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
One way or the other
It’s definitely not ‘promises of the playoffs’
by imperialme on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
They play off (their man) all the time. It is a core theme of the year
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
i didnt know we were nitpicking sorry
and it illustrates the point that he either overestimated his team or his ability to get the team to play. I thought thats what we were talking about, sorry again.lol
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 6, 2012 1:19 AM EST up reply actions
Youre right though its not a promise
I shouldnt have used that word. Definitely my bad
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 6, 2012 3:49 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Terrible Idea
If this team is designed to fail then the franchise is completely screwed. Just look at whats happening to our supposed corner stone. Wall is frustrating, pissed off, and fed up with losing and the way this team is playing. If they dont do something to show some improvement then they are going to lose him. Also a team designed to fail is one that will never win. The Thunder were never designed to lose and they were never dysfunctional like the Wizards are.
I dont think they intended to be this epically awful
but if Ted told you the truth, he’d say wanted to win 10 games this season rather than 30.
Which is fine. But I think he is miscalculating if he plans to tank this season and next. After the draft, he needs to bring in some veteran talent and rid this roster of the personnel holding us back.
And hope someone is willing to sign with us. It is hard to attract talent when you are the laughingstock of the league. But he put us in that position by not cleaning house at the beginning. You can change uniforms but you cant change the reputation.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I just heard a stat that blew my mind...
I was watching “Around the Horn” (show sucks but its the only thing on after work) and they actually talked about the Wizards. They talked about what a joke they are. One of the guys said we have won 3 games in last 45. In the last 45 games we are 3-42. I knew it was bad, but until an outsider said it, I didnt realize how bad it really was. (I didn’t check to make sure that was correct, so don’t rip me if that isn’t true)
He had to be talking about ROAD games....
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I figured something was up
I should have checked before I posted – thanks for the correction
Who in the world is he talking about?
This is news as far as I’m can see. Players have been accused of being knuckle-headed, deaf to coaching, non-motivated. But “entitled?” That conveys a sense of narcissism or self-infatuation I haven’t seen. Maybe Nick, for believing that he’s worth $9M and turning down a better offer than he finally accepted…maybe there’s something more going on in the locker room than we’re aware of. Maybe they all want facials and pedicures daily…
Well, Nick wants the ball where it's comfortable for him.
Blatche wants the ball where he wants it (wherever that happens to be).
JaVale wants to take more shots (and maybe run the offense at times).
Crawford?
Those are obvious; there are probably many less visible examples.
Quite a few players on the team seem to have an exaggerated sense of their their own ability and worth. That’s what leads to hero ball.
That interpretation of “entitled” would make sense: that several players believe that they are so talented and capable, that they deserve to lead the team and have the offense cater to them. Similar to players Like Kobe, Carmelo, the old Garnett, etc. But to actually believe that, given the reality, shows a different deficiency than just entitlement: an I.Q. problem, and not in the “basketball” kind of way.
Gene Wang on Twitter:
Jan Vesely on whether #Wizards’ struggles are motivating him to play: "I’m not sure that I am the guy that can make some miracles.
Vesely’s at least comes up with good lines.
Nice
Andray Blatche said he was one of the players who was called out. He said his teammates got on him for wanting the ball in the post and then taking “lazy jump shots” instead.
Its kind of weird that HE himself talked publicly abt what was said in the meeting....
esp abt himself. Thats kind of odd….i hope he didnt say it in a bit of passive aggression
If we are going to lose
Then let us lose with players who give a damn, and with players who we might see in the future. Why should Wizards fans get invested in watching a guy like Lewis play losing basketball? We all know he is a temp, so what interest could we have in watching him on a losing team unless he is a stabilizing veteran presence or is helping develop our young guys, which there is no evidence of. To me he seems like a guy who could think of a million other places he would rather be, knows he will be elsewhere next year, the fans know it, and there’s no appeal in that. With Blatche, I can understand how the flash of brilliance every five games or so gives Ernie hope for a return on his investment. I can’t recall a player with less fight than Andray. Again, what appeal does that have to the fan? We aren’t watching Westbrook, Durant, Green, and Harden growing under the instruction of an able teacher. We are watching our young talent age, not grow. They lack direction and they see a coach who does not believe in them, and they have responded by tuning him out and playing one-on-five.
Change is needed. If we don’t develop the current group, if we waste this year waiting and seeing when the writing is on the wall, then the damage will far outweigh the marginal benefit of improved lottery odds. The Wizards can’t check out for three years and voila expect it’s draft picks to have developed and be ready to compete. That seems to be the thought process of ownership, that development is a matter of time, rather than coaching and rewarding effort and progress.
by Emmet O'Neal on Jan 5, 2012 6:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions 3 recs
My thoughts exactly..
I would much rather watch guys who play hard and give effort lose then guys who don’t give a shit lose.
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 5, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
it's so, so sad
all we (the fans) want to see is heart. It’s really all. Effort. But we don’t even get that. Our standards are already so low and we still just get shat on by the team. And Ted’s comments just make it worse, how can he be so tolerant of this.
We are 6 games into a 66 game season; we have not played well; but we must regroup; the shots will start to fall; we must not get down on ourselves; this is a young group that is fragile in that it doesn’t have any success to point to and give itself confidence – they must figure out a way to win; amongst themselves and with the coaching staff.
I don’t even know what to say anymore. It doesn’t seem like he has any plans to make changes. What happened to building a new culture? What happened to grooming winners? It actually hurts me. Sorry to vent like this, but I know you guys feel my pain.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
I wonder if Ted watched the Wizards pre-Flip...
Because we never had to worry about making shots then. Yet, we still lost a bunch of games…
Making shots is not what makes a team win. Effort makes a team win, just as you are saying. Sustained effort leads to made shots, made shots don’t lead to sustained effort.
If we go 0-10, and this same song is still being sung, I’m gonna begin losing any faith that Ted understands how a basketball team functions.
exactly
If we lose to New York, Minnesota, Toronto and Chicago and go 0-10. Im going to reach a whole new level of desperation. I just don’t understand it, how can you keep Flip? He has never taken any responsibility. He calls out his players, by name to the media. He can’t motivate them. He doesn’t develop a game plan they can follow. And no matter how much blame you put on the players character or whatever, it is Flips job to fix that. Repeatedly failing to get players ready for the first quarter is a reflection on you FLIP! If he can’t do these things, get someone who can. It really seems like Ted has no idea what’s going on. If Westphal was fired, Flip needs to be. He redirects blame just as much as Westphal did if not more. I’m losing it.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah. One of the keys to “building through the draft” is to draft your young, great player or players, but at the same time to make sure there are a couple of veteran players on the team who can show the rookies how to play in the NBA, and are still pretty good themselves. We don’t have any veterans like that.
My hope would be that we can bring in one more really good rookie after this wasted season, and sign or trade for a couple of these types of veterans. Like, say goodbye to Nick and bring in a well-rounded, smart, veteran SG. Also a tough inside player, whether he starts or not doesn’t matter, it’s the example that the players need.
As owner, what else can you say?
He cant write, “Yeah this team sucks ass and not one of the starters tries hard every moment, so I will start trading players and fire flip and EG for this crappy team”
by jsuh0 on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
he could say that the current progress is unnacceptable
and that we need to do something to turn it around. Instead of just holding the course and hoping things magically change
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
because all he really knows is hockey n doesn't realize
that the inmates run the asylum and not the owners just ask cleveland, n.o, magic, utah etc stars run thee show and whats the appeal for any layer to want to come here
Ted has owned the team for 12 years. It's not like he doesn't know that the NBA is a this type of a league.
He just couldn’t be a major part of team decisions for the last nine since Michael Jordan left.
by thewiz06 on Jan 6, 2012 2:07 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I love this
Please email this to Ted
by jsuh0 on Jan 5, 2012 6:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Please break this down into paragraphs. A lot easier on the eyes. You had a lot of good points but a lot of people wont read this.
My favorite line:
We are watching our young talent age, not grow.
by tw10 on Jan 6, 2012 3:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's a great line indeed.
And he is right, I didn’t read the comment because it hurt my eyes.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 6, 2012 6:59 AM EST up reply actions
This team is playing to lose
and they are a joke.
Thank you to Booker, for bringing it every night, despite not getting the minutes you deserve.
Thank you to Singleton, despite having to play behind the most overpaid player in the NBA.
Thank you McGee, for showing energy out there, and improving your game, despite your mental lapses.
Everyone else, is playing to lose, and we are losing. Major changes definitely need to be in store. There’s a difference between losing due to lack of talent, and losing due to lack of passion. No player is going to grow under these conditions. If Ted is seriously thinking that this is normal, he needs to wake up. Losing was expected, but losing like this is completely unacceptable. Even the New Jersey Nets team that nearly set the record for worse record ever competed in their games, they were close in a lot of games, but didn’t have the talent. We on the other hand are getting embarrassed every night. Something has to be done, or this rebuild is just gonna go right past the “John Wall era” and into the next player we try to build around, and fail, until there is less talking, and more doing about changing the culture of this team.
by gray16 on Jan 5, 2012 6:17 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Those are the 3,
that bring it all the time, evey possession.
Maybe not McGee every possession, but I generally agree.
"Tank for the draft."
“Play the youngsters. Let’s see what we got.”
Raise your hand if you knew that there was no such thing as pretty losing. raise your hand if you knew that losing devalues your players.
“This kind pf losing is damaging.” There is no other kind of losing. That’s because it’s all but impossible to sustain effort when you consistently lose.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 6:35 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you can lose and still show progress, a desire to win and the willingness to give your all for that win.
especially when you are a young team. There’s certain things you can look for that show signs of a brighter future. We kind of saw that against the celtics (just in case you don’t believe its possible). And we saw it with OKC and the quotes durant gave. I get your point, but I think you can understand that there are different ‘styles’ (if you will) of losing.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
But that's what I contend is wrong with the theory
Losing saps your desire to give effort. That negative momentum can be overcome by the right personality type, but more often than not, losing brings more losing. And more often than not it takes changing personnel to overcome.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 6:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you don’t have a guy who is both the ultimate competitor and the ultimate leader, then the theory falls flat on its face IMO.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 7:11 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
0-3 wasnt exactly an insurmountable obstacle that should sap anyone's desire.
Hell, 0-6 can easily be overcome really at least back to respectability. There’s no reason for anyone to give up….unless they have absolutely no faith whatsoever that Zorn, er I mean Flip, is putting them in a position to win.
exactly
i have no faith in Flip…but this season could still turn around. But in my opinion we need a new coach to catalyze it.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
I have no faith in anyone in this organization not named Phil or Buck
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
don't forget big tigger
the most underrated wizard
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Phil and Buck will never lose me as a fan, never.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 5, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Them and the Kings announcers are my favorite announcers in all of sports.
At the other end of the totem pole sits Joe Buck and the Celtics color guy…
If it were only three (or six) losses.
We’re talking 180 or so in the last 3 years.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
so what you're saying is flip needs to be fired?
oh ok.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
Well, since you can't fire the players...
Can the new coach suit up?
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 11:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Okc and atl found a leader/performer/competitor like I described above
Mem is different in that they assembled an amazing front line. The kind you rarely see outside of the big spenders.
I’m not seeing us in any of them. Wall has the competitiveness but I’m not seeing the good leadership or elite on-court talent. All three are necessary for us to follow the established model/methodology we’re discussing here.
Nothing is impossible, of course. On the bright side if they can turn it around, this is a huge character builder. 60-6 anyone? Lol
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Who is Atlanta's guy?
I mean I get your point but it sounds a little defeatest to me – the issue here isn’t the plan, it’s the execution.
isnt the plan to lose enough games to draft top3 again?
being executed to perfection!
Not meaning to be nihilistic
but that’s exactly what I took out of Wall’s preseason comment about who is the go to guy. To me it sounds like a punt.
So okc has their durant, atl has their (way above) average Joe (not elite but high second tier), and mem has their ‘big’ three.
We have what appears to be a 2nd tier centerpiece, what appears to be a solid center, and a bunch of reserves. And I come to that precisely because of the nature of these losses. We look dysfunctional and that much is evident by the fallout of this players only meeting.
That’s exactly why I am so opposed to tanking. This is what tanking looks like. Okc played hard 3 out of every 4 games. I don’t call that losing, I call that trying to win. This is losing. And it’s ugly. And it makes even our promising players look bad. It devalues them.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 11:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I guess I just look at it like you can't assume the plan is solid.
Any plan that requires a certain amount of luck (for example winning the draft lottery in the right year, or picking up a retread headcase PF just when he’s ready to grow up) isn’t really a plan per se.
You can make solid choices, skip the obvious mistakes, dot your I’s, and still come up short.
by jones-y on Jan 5, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the plan is find the best athletes and some of them will develop into players…which says a lot about his confidence in his scouting
They basically do not have a plan.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Think we differ on what a "plan" is
The “plan,” to me, is bringing in youth, having them grow together and have a bunch of young players hitting their prime simultaneously. The “plan” is not to tank. The “plan” is to achieve small victories early, remain competitive, fight through losses and keep scaring teams, gain experience from that, apply those lessons and get good. OKC followed that because, like you said, they played hard.
Being non-competitive like this? That’s not part of the plan. That’s the execution of the plan not working.
by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2012 1:25 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
No, I get that. We agree on the plan.
What I’m saying is that another way to look at that plan is: throw spaghetti against the wall (no pun intended) and see if it sticks. If yes, then its a plan. If no, then uh oh.
OKC played hard because they had a leader out there fighting every night. Their spaghetti stuck. Just plugging away, never hanging his head, and celebrating the small victories night in and night out.
Anyhow, I’ve slept on it now and I’m probably overreacting. It occurred to me that, in a normal season, wednesday would have been the last preseason game. Maybe that’s it.
Based on EG drafting and trades, I say you are spot on
throw spaghetti against the wall (no pun intended) and see if it sticks.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 6, 2012 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah but the thing is you could say the same about okc
The only real difference is that it worked there.
by jones-y on Jan 6, 2012 12:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
OKC did a better job balancing the roster
He did not leave glaring holes unaddressed like rebounding and shooting or double up like two top 18 picks on SFs
by les boulez bomber on Jan 6, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions
So with few exceptions, you are always throwing spaghetti on a wall hoping it sticks. The difference is EG keeps throwing it in the same spots on the wall.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 6, 2012 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
how
have to disagree a paln is everything we don’t know what to attack or wha to to stop or who to stop so of course were gonna get down early no game plan. Then yes the execution stinks but what r the plays really nothing but iso plays we don’t have ne one good enough for a iso. Doesn’t play to our strengths, nor does anyone know there roles thats coaching
You're thinking in terms of coach --> player
I’m thinking in terms of organizational philosophy —> on-court product.
by Mike Prada on Jan 6, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
bigpenisarenas
amazing…amazing…
lol yeah i really hope so too.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
didnt he get paid $25mill by reebok before every setting foot on an nba court?
that could affect how a guy feels about himself…
There seems to be no one at the wheel
Wall’s comments are the best I’ve reads far. At least he’s honest about whats happening. Everyone is plaing for themelves on both ends.
Nothing else really needs to be said past that now hwo do you fix this. Is the question.
You either play the more unselfish guys (Singleton,Booker, Mack, Mason) and bench the selfish guys( Blatche, Young, Crawford)
OR you micromanage the game and every time guys do selfish things you call timeout and jump in the selfish offenders face and hreaten their pt.
But something has gotta be done. I say fire Flip and EG but I’m not sure Ted has connections enough to know how to replace them effectively at this point.
The only thing you can do is
plop down with bottle in hand and take a swig every time we score
or one every time the other team scores if you want to get drunk
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
i dont think Flip wants to play anyone under 30
For his part, Saunders said the sense of entitlement among his players comes from some of them getting extended playing time at a young age.
Do you doubt that his point is valid?
It seems pretty self-evident, difficult to argue.
by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 8:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what young guys were ever given minutes?
Isnt Nick 26? He’s been a starter for all of 3/4 of a season. Blatche is 25 and has started for less than 2 years right? Who is he talking about exactly?
Last season, JVM, AB, JW, JC, NY all got a lot of minutes
and they all have had bench like talent…
Flip said many many times that JVM would not be a starter on one of his “old” teams. Ironically, he is our best player this season
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
very true
he definitely played a lot of young guys last year but to be fair, he really had no other option.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
No he did not. His hand was forced by EG who assembled the roster. But he was simply commenting on one reason why “some” players had an entitlement mentality
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
so he's talking about Javale again, the best player on the team?
Nick is 26yrs old and didnt start til Gil/Kirk got hurt….then came in and showed everyone how lame Flip is by playing SG 3x better than Gil/Hinrich were. I fail to see where Nick was entitled to anything.
Blatche never had stater minutes til AJ was traded, then played well, then got paid, then started. What’s Flip saying, he shouldnt have been the starter after getting the extension?
The whole team is young, how are young players not going to get minutes? Flip was trying to play Olberto instead of Javale for heaven’s sake….I’m not sure who was given anything.
Unless Flip’s comment is complaint directed at the roster Ernie gave him
I don't know. When you are this obviously disfunctional finger pointing is rampant
and they contain truths, half-truths, and un-truths.
…just another reason to wipe the slate clean…except JVM. He played his way into sticking around and hope he continues improving
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
I get Blatche and Crawford...
but I really haven’t seen a ton of selfishness from Nick…I have seen poor play…but there haven’t a ton of just chuck it up shots…there have been some, but I have seen more settling than “selfishness”…
We have different issues across different people. We really shouldn’t be trying to group them because it makes the discussion more difficult. From my point of view…Nick’s effort hasn’t been the issue. I saw him fighting through screens all night against Boston etc. Why would he not show effort when his money is on the line. That would be stupid.
Blatche – Effort issues…not really selfishness.
Crawford – Plays with effort, but is incredibly selfish so far this season…
by DavidDunn on Jan 5, 2012 7:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as for the entitlement thing thats dicey and I wish Evas had not thown that out to
Be direct call guys out in the media make them defend themselves because it doesn’t seem like any manner of harping beind he scenes is having any impact.
You guys see Javale on Twitter?
U lookin at the glass 99percent empty! What about it being 1 percent full!
Sorry if someone already posted this, its epic though.
I thinks its McGees brain that is about 1% full
I never know where the other 99% is Somewhere in the vapors.
by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think he was being sarcastic
but still…damn
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
Damn Javale is hilarious haha
and in addition to being really funny, he’s also outta here when FA comes and he’s a free man!
He will go the NY route and ask for a king’s ransom- something so high he does not think we will match. And then sign a one year offer in good faith. Then bolt after that year is up as a UFA.
The wild card is how high will EG go…$12mm? $14mm? $16mm?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
the way he's playing right now
there’s a lot of teams that would be willing to pay him some serious dough. Such depravity of good centers in the league.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
The rules changed, but the league has not- size matters. PG are much more important and high profile. But as you are beginning to see….there are a lot of guys in the 6-6’4 range that are good at basketball. There are only a few seven footers…
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
dont we have to match whatever another team offers him?
Javale is going to come to work every day, not say anything that will damage his rep, be the best player on the team all year, turn 24, AND GET PAID.
I think he asks for 15mm a season, signs the QO for 6mm and walks away…just like NY
Why would any one stay in jail when they are paroled
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it goes like this:
If we do not extend at least the QO, he is an UFA
He is free to negotiate with us or anyone else.
If he signs a contract with another team, then we can match the contract terms and retain him
If he plays a year under the QO, he is a UFA next season
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Mcgee comment is hilarious. LOL
Mgee is a smart kid a good kid.
smart? I don't think so.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 5, 2012 7:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am guessing any Wiz beat reporter would tell you
Javale is as smart as anyone on the team
by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Then that says a LOT about our team.....in a bad way.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 5, 2012 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
I wrote Ted an email about Flip
His response:
Can a new coach hit a shot?
Facepalm
This man doesn’t understand basketball. As we all have been saying, effort leads to made shots, not the other way around.
reply back- Why do you feel our problem is limited to shooting?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:00 PM EST up reply actions
or...Is shooting the only problem you see?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
did it
pretty much wrote that, and a little more :) let’s see what happens.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
he will be dimissive if he answers at all.
cant really blame him , the guy is billionaire mogul who actually bothers to respond….cant expect more than that, it’s awesome he even reads the emails
yeah i said that too
its really bomb of him
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
I think its where it starts with these players
When they don’t shoot well they let it affect other parts of their game. They sulk. Blatche went through this last season. He figured out if he can’t hit a shot then he could help the team in other ways until he began to get his shot back. Crawford is going through this right now. I think Young needs to get to the basket more and stop settling for being nothing but a jump shooter. McGee still tries to score with every possession. Its just all sorts of things. The main thing is that they need to start hitting their shot. Crawford takes some crappy shots, but most of his shots he has a good look at the basket and they just are not going in. Eventually they will. So will many of the team shots. And when do start going in, their overall play will improve. So I am patient with this stupid team.
If there is anything this team needs to learn its to work out together before camp starts because they are behind the arc right now as a team. Maybe they will actually become one. Its also a chance to see who is communicating and who isn’t and the reason for it. This way they can see who to keep and who to get rid of. I am not ready for the big shakeup. I think they simply need to play through this season to see how they are progressing. Maybe there will be a trade(s)? I would also like to give Grunfeld a better draft to pick from than this last one.
by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions
was the number 1 overall pick not enough, and i know 6 is not the best but damn
that usually works for most teams…….if it takes 3 drafts with top picks to make something of this team its pretty disheartening considering what we had just a few years prior
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
I think three to four lottery picks- there is usually a down year in there
EG should move everyone he can not named JW or JVM to get an extra pick for this year’s deeper class
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
Check out how many lottery picks
the Clippers and Bulls have gone through and for how long.
by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 8:19 PM EST up reply actions
very real
but once they got derrick rose and blake griffin that all changed. I guess we were just hoping for the same thing from john.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Chicago was a pretty good team when they got DR.
But the LAC are smart to recognize their franchise player and surround him with hope.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
It is going to take longer if you don't draft well or keep losing your draft picks to free agency
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
i just have a hard time accepting the notion that losing consistently is the best path to winning. I understand what you mean about draft picks, but it stunts the growth of current players
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
when i say you i dont mean you lez boulez
i mean those who want us to keep getting lottery picks non-stop
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
We have two wild cards in JVM and JV. If I were running things from this point, I would draft the best PF (emphasis rebounding and defense) with the first pick. Try like heck to get something (draft picks) for AB, Lewis, JC. NY is walking. Resign JVM. and try to consolidate whatever picks I had left to grab the best SG and sign the best SG FA I could find that played defense.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
and get some shooters
but im guessing youre including that
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I added two but there are prob roster spots left. I hit the highlights dropping the non-core pieces that aren’t fitting into the system and adding what we really need
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
So get a new GM then
He’s the one responsible for the players that can’t hit a shot.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 6, 2012 12:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is he talking about the locker room or this message board, lol
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 5, 2012 6:58 PM EST reply actions
I read this comment and was like, " I love it."
Then I saw it was you….Figures. The " are we there yet fans " do seem to be a bit prevalent don’t they.
by ccrun1800 on Jan 6, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Gotta be hard on the players
Watching the Magic players just having a good time last night. Not being able to compete. That’s gotta take it out of you and you just wish for the final buzzer.
I don’t care if the don’t win another game “IF” they will only put forth effort for 4 quarters.
I Don’t know how much more of what they did last night that I can watch. Bums me out. I hope it’s affecting them and they get tired of being a joke to the rest of the league.
Wall will sink lower & lower if this goes on. Watching the other young point guards in the league being successful could drain him.
Yeah...this won't end well...
We are now in the midst of a full on soap opera…
Does anyone remember the Cavs self destructing like this last year?
Here is the thing….the disruptive player is going to be leaked eventually…and then there will be no turning back…
I suspect my season ticket is going to be worth watching a full on blow up on the court more than actual watching the games…
Maybe this should have been the new logo…
by DavidDunn on Jan 5, 2012 7:35 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
We could always trade AB
for someone’s unprotected first?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
Per Blatche
"Something they said about me, as far as I asked for the ball in the post and sometimes I take lazy jump shots," Blatche said. "They can’t have that. I took that as: ‘You’re right.’ If my teammates are saying that, then I have no reason but to agree with them and work to get better."
I mean how fucking clueless can you be in your own ability and effort??? he’s gotta bounce
by WizKid27 on Jan 5, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Huh?
You picked a weird example of him being clueless. That just makes him seem completely willing to accept criticism.
by Stanicek on Jan 5, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
You think he was the only one criticized?
He’s just the only one who’s ’fessed up and accepted the criticism.
I’d definitely give him a +1 for that.
gold stars are for children
his time is up for me. A “veteran” should not need what the young guys need
he always says one thing then does another and we are all tired of it
by WizKid27 on Jan 5, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It also makes it seem like
every single player on the team is sick and tired of Blatche’s appalling lack of effort and probably resents Flip’s insistence on terating Dray like he’s something special.
He is the only player to receive a contract extension. And Ted said last year that AB has to step up or else. And he kinda has to give him some minutes at least at the beginning of the season when the owner is personally evaluating the player.
I think Flip feels he is forced to do some things he doesn’t want to do- whether that pressure exists for real or not. I can’t believe he is this bad of a coach on his own free will.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Just wanted to remind of everyone of something
From 2006:
The rumors behind the head-scratching deal that sent Maurice Evans to the Lakers intimated that Detroit was just dumping the solid bench forward because some Pistons from last year (Big Ben among them) regarded him as a bit of a spy for Saunders.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 5, 2012 7:48 PM EST reply actions 7 recs
Great catch...
I was a bit startled when Mo was re-signed, too. Heck I had already written a farewell and good luck post about him!
After the Kings takedown on the Bucks yesterday (and Cousins emotional post-game embrace of Coach Smart) you do have to think that a little regime change can be helpful…
Nah
I saw David Malitz tweet about it after the Hinrich trade. Didn’t think it would ever be that relevant.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 5, 2012 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
a major difference
was that was a veteran laden team while we have young knuckleheads
Maybe thats how they ended up with Crawford
What other teams can he be traded to?
by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 8:15 PM EST up reply actions
Great job finding that!
Maybe that a main reason why we resigned him…
by rayallenisaballer on Jan 5, 2012 8:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can we just say no to conspiracy theories?
Too silly . . .
Just got done watching a Mo interview abt the meeting
Its so funny b/c im hearing him talk and it just all feels so scripted like Flip wrote it all for him LOL
5 on 5 article
Talks about Kings and places Flip Saunders in the hot seat if anyone is interested/hasn’t read it.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-120105-Kings/sacramento-kings-questions-future
GMU is hanging in there at least
The only time I ever scream lets go PATS!!!
When will the madness end
Before he got pulled over last night, McGee tweeted: "Things just got treal." If you don’t know the meaning of "treal," listen to a UGK song or check Urban Dictionary for the definition, but in a nutshell, he could very well be implying something isn’t right in the locker room, and I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised.
Or maybe it was a typo
You know because T and R are right next to each other on the keyboard haha.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
but "things just got real"
could mean problems in the locker room too. Not saying it does, but it could just as much as ‘trill’.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 5, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions
No one knows what he means but Pierre
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think it depends on where you're from.
by oakhillswag on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thats real
in the bay im pretty sure its treal, but he was talking about UGK in which case its trill…lol this is hilarious
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 6, 2012 2:50 AM EST up reply actions
JaVale got pulled over
Did I miss something? All we need is the next dunderhead to get arrested. It’s coming.
If that's what Mo Evans is telling our Wizards -
Sign him up as our new coach (and GM)!
You know
Wouldn’t bat an eyelash is Mo Evans has his eye on a coaching career
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 6, 2012 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
The Heat without LeBron and Wade playing represents what the Wiz should be doing…(excluding Bosh whom we dont have)…but surrounding a mix of young prospects (Harris, Cole, chalmers, Pittman, Anthony etc) with some hard working professional vets (Battier, Warrick, etc)
Watching that young group play competitively with Atlanta is what I was hoping the Wiz would be doing…next season…but they look a long way from that right now
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions
Who is Ivan Johnson from ATL
A D-league call up that would be perfect with us…damn it ernie
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:26 PM EST reply actions
Miami without Wade and Lebron are still 10x better than us
really, truly shows the folly of assembling an ultra-young team without a drill sergeant coach to lead them. Flip is known as a spineless, player’s coach and Ernie has given him a roster of 23yr olds….just absurd.
by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont care if they are not HOF or top veterans…Rookie/sophmore players really benefit from having strong veterans that provide some structure and tell them…you are the future but I am the present so pass me the ball
Otherwise, you end up like up- too much street ball
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Man Chuck hates ATL
been bashing them ALL night… even early on before they looked bad against the Heat minus Wade and LeBron
Hahaha now he's talking about his weight watchers points
“Got some wiggle room today but I gotta get my beer… beer’s like 4 points”
by koop1122 on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We should've kept Larry Owens
So many players on this roster get things handed to them and don’t feel like they need to earn or hustle for something. Larry was hungry because he was a D-League call-up, and knew he could be cut at any time, and he played with great effort everytime he played. We need more guys like that.
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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 5, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you see Ivan Johnson ATL tonight. D league call up Dec 9. He is a monster and exactly the type of player we need
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
He is the reason they are in this game. And has been clutch
Again, the perfect example of the type of young players to complement this roster. Saw Gee play pretty well for CLE the other night.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes and if we had both we could sit AB and not be forced to play lewis at the 4
I mean he is a D league call up…what’s that cost- $1m?
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
And Booker needs a lot more minutes. I think it is a regular chant on this site.
by les boulez bomber on Jan 5, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
We all know who needs to be starting basically
PG: Wall
SG: Young
SF: Singleton
PF:Booker
C: McGee
I’m at the point on my rope where its a victory from tipoff if i see this lineup
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Mo's comments are something you can sense watching the games
Worst part is, I keep watching the interviews and all teh players are SAYING the right things. Not sure where you go from here….
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
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Links story
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
This is scary really.
We know how little control Flip has in his locker room. I think this is it for me.
It’s the first time I’ve said it, because I never really saw the point, but Flip needs to go.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 6, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I knew things were going to be bad this year, but good gravy
We started out the season laying a giant turd in the preseason game against the 76ers. We got worked in the opener by the Nets, who we thought were the worst team in the league. Flip forgets to put Mason on the lineup card in Milwaukee. We start out 0-12 against the Magic, and the “Captain” of the team gets a goal tending call on a FREE THROW! Now this? If we get run by the Timberwolves, as we usually do on matinee games, it might get ugly. The only thing that might save Blatche is that only me and probably 8,000 other people will actually drag ass to the game on a Sunday, when we could be enjoying ourselves. Bring on the Knicks!
Even JaVale is not dumb enough to goaltend a free throw!
Oh crap… now that I said it, he will do that next game……..
Evans earned his paycheck
When I read that Evans called that meeting and there was a sense of relief afterwards, I instantly thought he earned his paycheck right there. THANK YOU
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