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The following statement from The Basketball Jones says it all

“It’s a shame, too, because it’s not like Washington doesn’t have talented players. The problem is that there’s very little discipline from the Wizards. It’s hard to think of another team in the NBA, right now, that has numerous players with low basketball IQs. Andray Blatche goaltended a free-throw. These are things that you can’t make up if you tried.

There were times when you wished a mercy rule was enacted because of how disproportionate the skill levels were for both teams.:

by jmpalomo on Jan 5, 2012 11:03 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

That's my favourite.

Thanks Eddy. You have it right there.

by isum on Jan 5, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

come now, everyone knows Ernie bears no responsibility whatsoever

for the team he is head of, the players he handpicked and re-upped, and the coach he hired to lead them. Gungate is nothing but a sign Gil is crazy, Ernie still smells like roses.

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Gungate is nothing but a sign Gil is crazy, Ernie still smells like roses.

You got it all wrong. WE are the ones crazy for thinking there is anything newsworthy about Gil brandishing guns in the locker room. I mean he said himself… THEY WERE UNLOADED.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on Jan 5, 2012 12:11 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Too bad we can’t send him to the D-League – players with over 3 years experience must consent to the demotion. Curses.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Ted doesn't sound happy at all with his blog post

and won’t mention anyone by name…. so for folks who read between the lines………

by thewiz06 on Jan 5, 2012 11:08 AM EST reply actions  

eh, sounded like his typical spinning to me

like the extent of the problem is shots not falling early…sure it is. When he throws up a post about lack of effort, cohesion, and not looking like a professional squad i’ll believe he may do something.

i really hate to say this…..but (assuming it’s not all Knick fans), if the wizards put up a performance like last night on Friday Ted really needs to hear some boos

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 11:20 AM EST up reply actions  

if we have more lower bowl sth's than ever before

at least initially, we will see more hometown wiz fans than we would have last year.

by thewiz06 on Jan 5, 2012 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I think as Wizards fans

We should take the Redskin fan approach and let our owner know that this type of performance will not be accepted. We definitely have to let him know our frustrations.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jan 5, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Jason Reid

might be the worst writer for the post. His article on Wall and leaving was awful. Look, I love Wall and his “potential”. He can bounce town if he wants, but he still has alot to learn before he starts bitching about the team needing to field a winner. We’ve seen Rubio already influence games in a controlled manner and he’s played like 6 NBA games. (anyone see his clutch 3 lastnight at the end of the game? Can Wall become a 3-pt threat ever?) John has room to grow and I hope does. But if he never becomes everything we think he can be, then I won’t give a shit if he leaves.

by WizKid27 on Jan 5, 2012 11:28 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

unfair comparison

rubio has been playing PRO ball since 14, he even made a statement saying that the nba was ‘easier’ for his game due to the zone, and his game was always that of a pure point. John Wall was more or less a project since college, they put him at the point because he could handle the ball really well but the calipari system doesnt really call for a traditional pg. Now hes in Flips system, and flip is trying to make him play like chauncey billups or something…but wall will never have the abilities of billups….

I think vinny del negro is the worst coach in the nba, you honestly cant win anything with him at the helm…that said…he would be perfect for this team right now. Because vinny does a good job of coddling players, letting them loose a bit, getting them to play hard without pushing them. The wizards will lose games still, but at the very least they will be happy, working. And then after two years of vdn bring in a stricter coach and watch as players embrace him for a chance to win. But i agree that flip has to go, not cuz hes a terrible coach in general…hes not…but because it seems like hes a bad fit for the current wizard players…its kinda obvious at this point…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 5, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

The Clippers

Beat the hell out of the Rockets lastnight and their offense looked great. I know the Rockets lack size, but I was still impressed

Back to wall rubio comparison…compare wall to every quality PG (young and old) and he still needs to learn soooooo much

by WizKid27 on Jan 5, 2012 11:55 AM EST up reply actions  

the clippers offense looks great

because they have one of the best overall pgs in the league in cp3, and an offensive juggernaut in blake griffen, and a very savvy veteran/leader in bigshot billups…..they win on talent above all else. Im a bulls fan, ive seen vinny coach, when he was with teh bulls, when he was wtih the clippers last year, and even this year, the only play ive ever seen him run is the high screen and roll. It just looks efficient because chris paul might be the best pick and roll player in the league right now after only steve nash…

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 5, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

vinny does a good job of coddling players, letting them loose a bit, getting them to play hard without pushing them. The wizards will lose games still, but at the very least they will be happy

I have always went for the opposite. I think after a coach like Flip you need to bring in an Avery Johnson-esque defensive minded disciplinarian (the guy who I thought should have been hired instead of Flip). Bring in a coach that wont take shit from Blatche talking nonsense about not going into the game. A coach that can show them how good they had it in the previous regime. A coach that will not stand for the lackluster defense this franchise has played for the last 10 years.

After someone else has instilled that defensive, hard nosed mentality in them you bring in the players coach who can then let them relax more and play their game.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on Jan 5, 2012 12:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Avery's not exactly acquitting himself well in New Jersey

If they replace Flip, my long-term replacement would be an assistant from Pop’s coaching tree.

by Mike Prada on Jan 5, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

yeah Avery isnt do soing hot

but one thing that impressed me was he didnt hesitate to sit Troy Murphy for basically the whole season because he didnt fit defensively with what Avery wanted to do. Murphy’s a 10yr vet who was making like $12mill and Avery didnt play him. Flip would NEVER do that so we get stuck with lineups that wont change.

eh but who knows, sounds like Flip is ready to do something so we’ll see

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

I dont follow NJ that closely but the little bit I have heard/read pointed in that direction.

His run in Dallas ended with what, 5-8 players saying they were going to request trades if he was brought back. Despite how ugly it ended it was the defensive philosophy he helped put in place that let the mavericks finally get over the hill.

He could come to DC and lose 60+ games in consecutive seasons before getting fired. If he instills some type of team defense into this roster of chuckleheads it would be a HUGE success (IMO).

VOID!!!

by dt3 on Jan 5, 2012 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i mean, there it is right there

is this organization going to ever pivot into one that truly values defense? or will we stay the course of ernie’s entire tenure, one that pays lipservice to defense but really relies on individual player’s ability to score?

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I prefer Pops' GM tree.

It seems like George Karl has the strongest coaching tree right now, through McMillan and Casey.

by djnnnou on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree Jason Reid is awful

It is pretty obvious he doesn’t watch the game. His columns about the Wizards are so elementary formulaic. He doesn’t say anything profound or earth shattering that even the most casual of fans doesn’t already know. The article should not be focused on keeping Wall happy, but instead focusing on why he is struggling this season. Anybody watching these games know that he is just as much a part of the issue as anyone. And his comment about JaVale seemed kind of cliche. Besides last night (which was excusable, I mean look who he had to go against), JaVale has been a better player this season than Wall. That’s not even debatable.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jan 5, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Reid is quite good on football

He is terrible on every other subject. The lack of knowledge and insight is sad, and the venom of his articles on Blatche are just weird and/or lazy. I remember when the Post had really good columnists. Now they just have Boswell and most of the time Jenkins. The rest are terrible.

by disgrunted on Jan 5, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I thought Reid's pieces on the 'skins

and the Shanahans specifically, were pretty low brow…agree on Bos and Jenkins

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 5, 2012 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

no worse than Jenkins or Hamilton really

steinberg and mike lee are the only people there who actually watch the teams

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:08 PM EST up reply actions  

i don't particularly like reid, but this wasn't a bad column either

what specific aspects of his analysis do people object to?

at no point does he talk about wall leaving, just about wall being unhappy and the potential of him losing his winning mentality. he basically makes an argument that the organization is dysfunctional, wall is surrounded by the wrong kinds of players, and it might stifle wall’s development. much of his dysfunction argument is based on their coddling of blatche, and other players, over the years.

while you might not agree with it, it’s hard to argue it’s not a reasonable/fair take on things. as a fan of this team, you might not realize you have a higher tolerance for dysfunction than others who don’t devote so much of their time to the wizards. boswell very well might have written the same thing. jenkins too, except she would have harped on accountability for 4 paragraphs and mentioned lance armstrong somehow.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 5, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree here, not sure why people are so mad about this specific J-Reid column

I suppose one could say there isn’t enough personal accountability for Wall, but that’s about all that’s really objectionable.

I get J-Reid’s focus on Blatche and Blatche alone is annoying, but it’s not without merit when he’s saying the organization lets him get away with too much.

by Mike Prada on Jan 5, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes, the organization lets him get away with too much.

He’s also not the only one.

And we won’t even get into what the organization let Gil get away with. Things really haven’t changed enough with the change in owners.

by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 2:42 PM EST up reply actions  

What is the identity of this team?

That is probably the biggest issue right now and why I am unsatisfied with the way things are going. What are we actually working towards? Are we going to be a defensive team? A fast break team? A high scoring team? It doesn’t seem like we do anything particularly well. I thought with this roster, fast breaks would be easy, but when you see the awful spacing and decision making on fast breaks, you wonder what the heck is wrong with this team. Running a fast break is one of the basic skills of teams. Anybody that has played basketball knows coaches love to practice the figure 8, but I doubt this PROFESSIONAL team would have the ability to do so.

I also think there is a lack of discipline. If the emphasis is on defense and efficient scoring then why aren’t more players being sat for poor play? There have been times where Blatche has given no effort on defense, and Jordan Crawford has jacked up shots but players like McGee get benched and players like Booker, Mack, and Singleton are struggling to get minutes. It seems as though the players are confused and that is an awful sign.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jan 5, 2012 11:46 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Timmy Legs made a great point about Nate Mcmillan the other night

How in one offseason he completely changed the team’s identity based on the loss of Roy, Oden, and Andre Miller and the emergence of Lamarcus plus signing of Felton. Overnight they went from one of the slowest to one of the fastest paced teams in the league. THAT’S COACHING

we seem in utter disarray, not trying to do any one thing- 3 years into Flips’ tenure

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Flip is too proud

Or stubborn.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 5, 2012 4:05 PM EST up reply actions  

There's definitely a lack of discipline.

The identity question is a harder one to answer.

Although the team needs more consistent defense, I’ve always thought that Vesely was signed to run with Wall—so possibly Wall, Young/Crawford, Vesely, McGee, plus running the floor?

I admit Ernie’s intentions are a bit difficult for me to decipher.

by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions  

plus

“someone else” got lost.

by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We should also talk about Nick's contributions when he is not scoring

Sorry. I forgot. There can be no conversation because Nick does not contribute in any other way.

by jmpalomo on Jan 5, 2012 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Oh yeah - except those 4 rebounds...

and the steal… and the defensive pressure

and the two passes he made that would have been assists last night had Andray Blatche or Seraphin been able to make a lay up….!

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Nick Young's assist ratio this year is almost double from last year....

What I don’t get about Nick Young detractors is that they complain that he doesn’t pass the basketball…. then when he does pass the basketball more, they complain that he doesn’t pass the basketball…

It’s like trying to win an argument against a broken record….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 5, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I allowed to mention

his shooting? : >

That really is my biggest concern with him this year.

Still think he’s a good 6th man though . . .

by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions  

As much as I hate these comparisons, and I do hate them...

They are a trend so here it is….

Crawford had 7 boards to Nicks 4. 4 assists to Nicks 0. Shot very close to the same percentage from the field…

And Craword’s 4 assists more than compensate for Nick’s FT attempts last night, considering he has the same players who miss layups to pass to.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 5, 2012 4:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Young

looks like he came to earth. There is always a gameplan, but when players don’t follow it, then it looks like there is no gameplan. They need to play together

by WizKid27 on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I also think Nick has to look at himself when he speaks

How many times he could have passed the ball to an open guy instead of taking contested shots.

by isum on Jan 5, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I agree with Kornheiser/Aldridge

Wall is not any better. I always see his defender play off of him because Wall doesn’t want to shoot the ball. I think Saunders needs to give him the green light to shoot at will, instead of Young and Crawford doing so. Wall is our biggest investment and he needs to gain confidence in his shot more so than any other player on this team. It isn’t like we are playoff bound. We have nothing to lose by Wall bricking several shots.

Music is Life

by Dalp on Jan 5, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

ding-ding-ding

As far as I’m concerned, let Wall and Javale run a 2 man as much as possible. Those guys need to develop their offensive games all year

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Would be all for this

Except they stink at it. Wall doesn’t know how to use a pick. JaVale doesn’t know how to set a pick. Neither knows how to create a passing angle.

by yop32 on Jan 5, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

What has Ernie done?

His responsibility is tooling the team. In my opinion he has drafted pretty well and made a good move on signing Young to one year and no more than that (I don’t think we should keep Young next year). It isn’t his fault that the players aren’t responding well to the coach.

Music is Life

by Dalp on Jan 5, 2012 12:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Got to agree with what Greg Anthony

Last night on NBA TV Network he said when you look at this roster it was set-up to fail and I think he’s right you look at the Pacers,Heat,Boston,Chicago, etc. I mean teams that were right their last year and they got better. Why, because they addressed their needs and we can sit here and talk about the lockout, but funny thing is the whole NBA was locked out not just the wizards. We are a losing franchise because we have no consistency none in the FO, coaching staff, all the way down to the court. Not to beat a dead horse but GOD TRADE BLATCHE ALREADY!!!!! even if it’s for a salary dump and a one month fling with one of the kardashian’s.

by p.robb87 on Jan 5, 2012 5:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Help us, Jan Vess-Kenobi…you’re our only hope.

Or we could trade for Darth Vader – that might help, too.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 5, 2012 11:56 AM EST reply actions  

{waves hand in front of tbone}

Jah Jah Vesely is not the young prospect you have been looking for.

VOID!!!

by dt3 on Jan 5, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You, Sir, are all out of hope. There is always hope.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 5, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

keep hope alive!

dont play Jan friday

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

God I hope you're wrong about Vesely

Ohh, and right about Kanter.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 5, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

John Wall = Patrick Ramsey?

I’m starting to see some terribly distrubing similarities between the careers of Patrick Ramsey and John Wall. Both were great talents coming out of college, and both were supposed to lead their franchises back to respectability and the playoffs. Then both had terrible teammates and coaches that put them in terible positions to learn and grow as players. Ramsey (and now it’s looking like Wall also) learned bad habits, accepted a losing culture, and never lived up to the hype or promise. What resulted with Ramsey after a couple seasons was a QB who had zero confidence, who was gun shy, and who was run out of town and is now a career back up and will probably be out of the NFL soon. I pray the same fate does not await Mr. Wall.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST reply actions  

Anybody else hoping Flip and Grunfeld get fired?

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 5, 2012 12:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions   2 recs

Not yet. I still believe that the blame mainly, if not all, is on a few useless players. Either uncoachable or so lost that they are uncoachable right now. I’d like to see the team move a few players and continue with attempts at building a culture with a winning, hard-working, instruction-following, mindset.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ted won't fire Flip....

Ted will fire Grunfeld… the next General Manager will fire Flip….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 5, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree.

But not sure it’ll happen soon enough to calm the troops here,

by MeToo on Jan 5, 2012 1:11 PM EST up reply actions  

flip goes before ernie

ernie isn’t drawing up the plays yet.

by thewiz06 on Jan 5, 2012 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Wll's comments are spot on

The team is playing very very selfish. No one wants to share the ball. the main culprits are Crawfford, Blatche, Young and lewis. The only thing they all bring to the table involve shooting the ball. None of them rebound,, defend, or attempt to block a shot worth a damn.

Last year when the team made a decent run of cohesive ball they had Yi an unselfish player, Jeffers, an unselfish player, had Crawford actually passing last season along with Booker another unselfish player playing.

Now we have guys competing to be a hero. Now you mix in Mcgee who seem pressed to shoot every time he touches it because he touches it so rarely and Wall when he starts pressing realizing the team is falling behind and its a mess.

This is bad coaching and a horrible roster and those things can only be corrected by firing the people that created the situations.

by jazzy1 on Jan 5, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

start Singleton and Booker, guys who love defending and dont crave shots

and in case anyone hasnt noticed, Chris is currently our leading 3pt shooter so let’s get him in there at 3 and D til he starts missing them

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Thats what the team needs

people shooting the ball less. What they need are people to shoot the ball and to start hitting these shots. Its not like they don’t have open looks. They just miss too many open shots. Basically, they are being outgunned by other teams.

by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

yes, it is what the team needs.

they need people who go hard and do more than just look for their own shots. I’d rather lose games with Javale and Wall averaging 15FGAs and developing than Blatche and Lewis bricking

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with this

If Mcee and wall worked themselves into about 15-18 fga’s a game I coud live with that because Mcgee generally shoots good percentages and Wall if put in thw right position can find a rhythm and get his game going. Plus Wall passes and Mcgee defends which are unselfish things on the floor. Everyone else that starts is primarily known for shooting and nothing else.

as long as they are getting the shots and minutes nothing will change.

by jazzy1 on Jan 5, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions  

because really, Dray's shot isnt going to fall until he's in better shape

and he wont be in better shape til we’re about 3-37 and he’s played off 10 pounds. That is so unacceptable at this point in his career it’s almost beyond comprehension

by DCrez on Jan 5, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Blatche is a great shooter

They need their guards to either start shooting more, like Wall, or they need their guards to hit shots like Crawford., Mack, and Young. Young seems to heat up later in the game right now. Orlando comes down drilling 3s. How can the Wiz compete against that? They have to hit their own 3s. Hopefully, as the season marches on, they will improve in that area. To me, they are so bad about actually shooting, Blatche shoots the ball just because he has to get them going. Sometimes they just are too tentative about shooting.

by hambonejackson on Jan 5, 2012 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Dray is hitting a decent percentage on his long twos

Best FG% for his career on 16-23 footers. Problem is that he’s hitting lower percentages from everywhere else, especially from 3-9 ft.

by yop32 on Jan 5, 2012 1:56 PM EST up reply actions  

That is flips fault

He has not defined roles. We got Andray being our captain and thinking he is the face of the franchise. Then you got Wall who is the franchise but he defers to dray. What is Crawford and nick youngs role? I dont know, they just go in and put up shots, is crawford the bck-up PG or a SG?. who is our primary scorer? Do we run plays for mason to get shots when he gets in?
McGee plays real well but always gets taken out for long periods of time. I could go on about every player but we get the point.

by MurlandTerps on Jan 5, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Loafing and Selfishness

It is comforting for the players and fans to blame poor effort and selfishness for the poor play. It means that things can be fixed easily. Just try harder and share the ball more. Unfortunately, it’s more than that. Look at the roster. The Wizards simply aren’t very good. It is not all Andray Blatche’s fault. The talent level simply isn’t there. It’s very frustrating to watch the Wizards play the Celtics and to realize, forget Allen, Pierce, and Garnett, Greg Stiemsma and Brandon Bass shoot better than anyone on the Wizards. Ernie simply has not done a good job. Since the breakthrough ‘04-’05 season, the team has NEVER improved over the previous season in terms of roster personnel. Ernie gets praised for not overpaying guys like Larry Hughes and Jarred Jeffries, but he never replaces them adequately. Ernie seems to like athletic guys with huge upside, but you can never assume improvement is going to automatically happen, even with a guy like John Wall. At some point, you have to add some guys who possess NBA level skills right now.

by hotplate on Jan 5, 2012 5:36 PM EST reply actions  

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