New Poll On JaVale McGee's Future In D.C.
It's been far too long since I actually updated the poll on the right side of the site, so there's a new one that I figure can remain there for a while. Scroll down to the right to view or just click this link.
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Right around $10M per would be ideal.
He’s been durable and I think he can sustain his amazing running and jumping ability for another 5 yrs. Hopefully, after that he’ll know the game well enough to rely on other tricks.
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
I said yes to me he is around a 10 mill a year player
No way in hell I max anyone on this messed up squad. Not Mcgee or Wall unles they get alot better.
But I think Mcgee will come in around 10 mill and we should keep him for that. Talented atletic durable shot blocking young center.
by jazzy1 on Jan 29, 2012 2:54 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
YES
they should’ve locked him up already. His price is only going to go up from here.
by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 29, 2012 3:04 PM EST reply actions
Nope
lots of athleticism, but his mind ain’t right. plus he’s got a mom that’s still speaking for him and he’s a grown a$$ man. on this team the hope is that he might actually turn into a leader. that’s not going to happen unless he changes how he goes about things in a drastic manner. i don’t see it happening. better to try to get something for him or at least use his value to get someone to take Blatche off our hands. Out with the old in with the new.
Absolutely Yes
He’s talented, self-motivated and hard-working – 3 things you can’t teach.
I agree with the notion that he looks better playing next to Vesely or Booker. Let him play next to a rugged 4 who can stick an elbow jumper and JaVale will continue to blossom.
$12mill/yr isnt too high a price for a 24yr old C who has improved every season.
Barring injury, Javale will always be easily trade-able. Signing him to a deal that is $2-$3mill more per year than what people consider “ideal” is a no-brainer in my book. The entire reason that would happen is because other teams see true value in a young player who has developed on our dime….yes, you re-sign the only guy on the roster not named Wall that other teams want.
Yea I could see $11 or $12mill/year. Just a little higher than DeAndre Jordan.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 29, 2012 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Right
“any price” isn’t quite right — I wouldn’t give him a max deal or anything! But he’ll probably command an offer that’s a bit north of $10 mil, and I think we need to sign him for that.
The important thing in my mind is that it takes a long time for centers to develop. We’re not going to get a better veteran center than him, and if we try the draft again, we’re talking about additional years of misery and uncertainty at the center position.
The guy has flaws, but also a lot of positives.
yeah right now would be a bad time to decide on developing another 20yr old C
if they choose to let mcgee go, imo they have to go after Asik in a big, big way. Putting another 20yr old prospect at C would be a huge step back
by DCrez on Jan 29, 2012 4:03 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Exactly, I'd be upset if we let McGee walk and drafted a Drummond-type player.
Just sets the rebuild back another 3 years. If we let him walk, we better have a good backup plan.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 29, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
That's always been my preferred course of action
if they choose to let mcgee go, imo they have to go after Asik in a big, big way.
Asik?
Going after Asik in a big big way would translate into how many dollars he should be offered. He seems to be a career role player i.e, he has gotten six minutes vs the Heat 0 points 1 rebound one turnover. If he was available for 5 mil or less I could see him as a temporary replacement for JaVale.
the grass is always greener when your team is awful.
Noah just made the exact same mistake Javale did when he didnt foul after Rose missed a 2nd FT….and Noah is the guy who just last year so many people were certain would always be better than Mcgee because of his vaunted bball iq.
Javale is definitely good enough to warrant paying.
javales development has been pretty beastly this summer
but i can already see him reaching his full potential on another team…way too classic. We gta keep him
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 29, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
was pretty beastly*
ive been impressed so far
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 29, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
Just like CWebb, Ben, and Rasheed
Same things probably going to happen to Blatche when he’s traded/cut, or if McGee isn’t resigned.
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McGhee isn't in the same class as CWebb and Sheed though.
by Staybon on Jan 29, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Who is McGhee?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jan 30, 2012 12:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Javales second alter ego
Him and Pierre just tear the city up
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 30, 2012 2:17 AM EST up reply actions
i do that all the time...my bad
was just discussing brandon mcghee from The U earlier.
A graphic was posted during the Heat-Bulls telecast saying that...
on the season, Asik was averaging far more minutes in the 4th quarter than Noah (also Gibson was averaging more 4th quarter minutes than Boozer)… In both cases the ratio was in the range of 7.5 : 4.5 minutes.
Yesterday’s game (and possibly several more going forward was an aberration most likely based on the Bulls need to replace a good offensive player who is injured (Deng) with a somewhat less versatile player (Brewer) who tends to play closer to the basket. Noah can score more and is more mobile than Asik, but Asik is a tough defender and opportunistic scorer in close. With Deng (watch how much he moves around the court sometime) out of the lineup and Brewer in, I would think Coach T felt he did not want things to get too crowded inside and stuck with Noah longer thanhe would if Deng had been playing.
Just a thought.
And yes, unless the Wizards can get something of indisputable value (an unprotected 2012 lottery pick or a Demarcus Cousins) in return now, JaVale is gonna have to be our guy for the foreseeable future.
noah has been battling condition
he was out of shape coming into the season, and recently his play has picked up, and asiks minutes have been generally cut. Noah is the overall better defender compared to asik, mainly because noah has very good versatility where he can chase guys out of the paint and keep up with wings on the perimeter. Asik due to his length might be the better shot blocker, but noah is the overall better defender.
The taj for boozer thing is more because boozer is a total liability if hes not scoring. I think boozer played more minutes overall due to what you said, deng being out.
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by piccolomair on Jan 30, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yes
I expect a contact similar to DeAndre Jordan, and that’s a good deal for him.
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A sign and trade after the season is over would be the best possible option for us, imo. We need players who like it here; rather than his MOM (jeezus!) complaining on his belhalf. But if he ever says, in believable way, “I want to be here,” then I would change my mind. But notice: he’s never said he’s committed to the team (neither has Nick, btw, which is why they both need to go).
I also think he would be a useful piece in a 3-way Dwight Howard trade. Orlando would have to decide that they like his upside (plus other players thrown in) more than Bynum or Lopez, though. Trading him right now for another player who will be a restricted free agent next year (so that the risks even out) might work also. We’d be safe if we traded for a player (who is restricted) that we like so much we’d be willing to pay match a max or near max contract offer. I think a player like Eric Gordon would be an example.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 29, 2012 4:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he will not reach his peak till 28
at any cost please
by WizKid27 on Jan 29, 2012 4:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm curious why you think this? 28?
I’m kinda thinking that while he has upside still, his ceiling is gradually getting lower and lower in my eyes.
by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 29, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm feeling 28 because
he’ll be in the thick of his prime, mature with age, calmer in the post, etc.
What worries me most is his asthma.
no...
his points per game dont mean a thing if he gives them right back by playing bad defense or goaltending….
by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 29, 2012 4:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes
The talent the he has isn’t common and if we decide not to resign him we shall watch another wiz blossom elsewhere
I said at any cost
…but really just mean around 11 or 12 max. That should do it and he is the best talent we have had at center in quite some time. A 27 year old McGee in Washington would be nice to see.
off topic....just watching Derrick Rose
please, please John….become this guy….he is absolutely amazing in terms of finishing….
Yeah, I heard that
He’s kind of right though. Chicago-DC is hardly going to be a marquee matchup…
by sierradave on Jan 29, 2012 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Rose is much more acrobatic around the rim
And his handles are much better. He was more skilled than Wall coming out of college. The fact that Wall hasn’t really improved at all this year is a bad sign.
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due to Wall's greater size and length (plus his crazy hops)....it's hard for some folks to realize
that Rose is the better athlete of the two. DRose is Barry Sanders in the paint, just amazing
Rose is the better overall athlete
But Wall is a little fast end-to-end IMO, but Rose is better at every other athletic category.
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wall has improved this year
his defense and his feel for the game
by BigPenisArenas on Jan 30, 2012 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
There will be options
McGee won’t be the only coveted center this offseason which could keep his price down a little bit. You’ve got to factor that Brook Lopez, Roy Hibbert, Omer Asik, Spencer Hawes, Marcus Camby, Chris Kaman, and potentially Dwight Howard will all be available.
There’s only so many teams with needs and cap room.
Lots of demand
Houston, Golden State, New Jersey, and Dallas will be big spenders, Indiana has to match just about anything Hibbert is offered, and then there’s Portland, Philly, DC, Minnesota(maybe).
maybe this is bias
but I’d rather lock up our young center than take the risk of dipping into this market
by marc.nicholls1 on Jan 29, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Brook Lopez
Isn’t to shabby at all. I’d gladly walk away with him, then look to Anthony Davis in the draft for shot blocking. Lopez can drop 20+ a night and they could use that offense.
by SpecialSauce on Jan 29, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
one flawed but talented product for another
at least Lopez can score more. this team needs all the scoring it can get.
Lopez is horrible on the boards and a poor defender, also coming off injury
no way should the wiz pay him instead of mcgee!
Yes
… only if Nick and Andray are gone.
Also, when I saw “10 mil,” my eyes bugged out. I haven’t been keeping as close a watch, but is that really what’s “reasonable?” Gil’s first contract got him 10 mil. JaVale’s not winning any “Most Improved Player” awards, from what I can tell. Is this not too steep?
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Bigs always get paid in this league.
Believe JaVale is gone
Given that his agent/mom will expect Jordan money. Can’t see the Wizards offering or matching that figure. While Javale may have more upside, he does not present the certainty you can expect and will get from Jordan in terms of production over his contract. I really like Javale, and I think that he will continue to improve and may even become a star, but I am not sure I would bet my house on it happening.
$10
Comes largely from past contracts to similar young bigs. Most recently, and really a good example, look at Deandre Jordan’s deal. I’m assuming some team is willing to offer even more than what Golden State offered and LA matched, for Javale.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 29, 2012 8:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Gotta keep him.
He will get a lot of attention from other teams.
He has improved each year and is due to finally get IT.
If he can stay healthy and work hard this summer he’ll deserve whatever he gets.
by VBfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:25 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
In a perfect world, I’d just rather not root for an adult player who has a Mom-ager. He should play for the Springfield Sissies or something, you know? I’ve suffered with this team for so long, it would be nice if I could respect the highest-paid players.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 29, 2012 7:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Unfortunately, many times I think the team plays better w/o McGee
and I don’t think McGee is consistent enough as a player to pay big money to. I certainly would keep it under 10 million right now and that is assuming he will be a solid center. He will be a solid center with a court vision problem. Does a player who has his back to the basket and a wide open floor to score, but decides to go for a hook shot instead, deserve big money? A guard who goes right past McGee because he is slow to set up and doesn’t keep track of where the ball is, worth big money? He is good for at least one 4 point play for the other team each game. First I will turn the ball over and then I will go to the other end to goal tend. Outside of shot blocking and dunking the ball, there is really not a lot to him at the moment. He is just as likely to help out the other team as his own and it can fluctuate as to which team is benefiting from him the most.
by hambonejackson on Jan 29, 2012 7:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
we should keep mcgee in that 11 mill range if possible...
losing him just sets this team back…we dont move forward doing this…..
next we need to work to acquire shooters and scoring…..maybe oj mayo??? especially since we are going to loose nick…
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
yeah it does
he is 24 and he is only getting better…..imagine what this kid will be when he is 28 or 29
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
how many so so players at 24 turn into studs by 28?
and how many of them become studs in the locations they started at – especially when its a losing franchise with a bad culture?
by Staybon on Jan 29, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
thinking like that is why portland had to watch jermaine oneal become a stud with the pacers
Enduring the pain of wizards basketball....one game at a time
by samoka10 on Jan 29, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
situation was different and plus he was just better
O’Neal came up on a stacked Portland team with big time veteran big men (remember he lived with Antonio Davis’s family). Team was one game away from playing for the title. Had Brian Grant and Sheed on it too. When he did play you could see he was going to be a stud – nice jumper, some low post moves, blocking shots. Was a good place for him to learn how to be a big time player and professional. McGee didn’t have that nurturing environment. He’s had 4 years of bad habit forming time. 4 years of thinking he’s better than what he is and no one to check him on that (no veteran big man presence).
by Staybon on Jan 30, 2012 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
people here have drooled over tyson chandler
but not when he was 24
Not when he was 23, maybe . . .
although even at 23, I think a lot of people would have rather had him than Kwame. At 24 though, Chandler was averaging a career high 12.4 rebounds per game and was already one of the league’s better defensive centers.
key part of it all for him...
change of scenery, playing with Chris Paul in NO and no doubt about what his role was – defense, hard picks, garbage points on offense.
Javale is putting up better numbers than Tyson Chandler right now. And Deandre Jordan. These are two players that got paid this year. Javale has more upside than Tyson Chandler and is taller and longer than Deandre Jordan and is already a better offensive player than Jordan or Chandler
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 30, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions
good numbers on a bad team.
put him on a good team and it won’t be the same. actually it shows he got no offensive game cause he isn’t scoring more on a team that needs scoring so badly.
by Staybon on Jan 30, 2012 5:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Most great NBA centers . . .
are already really, really good by 24. Look at the numbers for Shaq, Mourning, David Robinson, Duncan, Dwight Howard, KG, etc. This is true, even with the old cliche about how it takes centers longer to develop.
Even for a guys who impact players at the position, but a notch below the best, like Emeka Okafor, Charles Oakley, Zach Randolph, Antonio McDyess — all of them are putting up good numbers by 24.
There are guys like Ben Wallace, Marcus Camby, and Brad Miller who made significant development after 24. Still, I don’t think you commit $10 million a year to a player unless you are close to certain that this is a guy who is going to be your starting center for the next few years. The Wizards front office has a hard choice in front of them.
by Vegas010 on Jan 30, 2012 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think everyone knows he's not going to be shaq or z-bo
but hes improved every year so theres no reason to think it will stop while he stays athletic. also his mistakes wont be as painful when other high iq players are on the roster. more importantly when the wizards are good an off the backboard dunk would be sick
by BigPenisArenas on Jan 30, 2012 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
So averaging near a double double
and leading the league in blocks isn’t putting up good numbers?
Interesting Dallas/SA game...
starter were taken out basically as a white flag in the mid third and then the 3rd team came back from down 18. They got up by 9, and Popovich never put the 1st team back in…dallas came back within two….and Dallas hit a potential three point play with 35 sec left because they never went to hero ball…though they missed….and then Jason Terry tied the game with .5 sec left …
Rewarding the young guys and getting the used to pressure…you already conceded…why not…
Interesting coaching…
by DavidDunn on Jan 29, 2012 9:01 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
aww
so close. Changing of the guard in San Antonio probably
i was tempted to pick the second option
but realistically, I don’t see how Mcgee would re-sign for less than 10 mil/year. I guess part of the reason I chose yes is that I’m hoping that Mcgee will continue to improve this year to the point that 12 mil/year doesn’t seem absurd.
by marc.nicholls1 on Jan 29, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i hear around
That hamady has been brought back on the roster… for who? I don’t know but this is what I heard. Also Trevor book tweeted “hamady LOL” right after I heard it. Any conformation on it
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 29, 2012 10:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Awesome
Maybe bc of his good d-league play and blatche being “hurt”
Youth!!!!!!! HUSLTE!!!!!
dwight howard body he has on him should have played a roll
The man is built like a machine. He should have been in and seraphim as a garbage time player
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 29, 2012 10:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He also tweeted
I heard they’re bringing my man H back.
A little more telling, but your Twitter evidence works too.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 30, 2012 12:14 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think i'd let him go
i just don’t see him every getting really superstar good. if he hasn’t learned how to play basketball by 24, i don’t see much hope. he’ll get better but i can’t see that much better. I also assume he’s one of the knuckleheads on the team, and they need to all be cleared out asap. that might not be true however.
by stevie on Jan 29, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Depends on the price . . .
and the price is going to depend how the rest of the season plays out.
DeAndre Jordan’s deal will be the bench-mark. The two players are close in terms of skill level, age and development, although Jordan is probably the better player at this stage. The other factor is other teams interest in McGee, which could drive up his price. In the end though I think he gets something closer to $9 mill. a year than $11 million a year.
by Vegas010 on Jan 29, 2012 10:29 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
no way we keep him for under 10 mil
no way he signs anywhere for under 10 mil, even a powerhouse like L.A.
i’d be fine with 12 mil depending on how he finishes the rest of the year. He is definitely a worker, and is definitely progressing. Its just still incredibly hard to gauge if he’ll ever be consistent.
his asthma is the biggest concern imo
but he’s earned the next investment in him from the team. Compare his game and body now to 3yrs ago….there’s no way we can let a player who has improved that much leave, not when he’s a 7’2" 24yr old C! you have to re-sign him
by DCrez on Jan 29, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What's the worst case with his asthma?
Seems like it’s been under control for a while now.
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
i was actually surprised to see his minutes compare decently against most other Cs
woulda thought his asthma would have him behind most other centers, but most that i checked play 30-33 minutes. Dwight plays 38, but he’s the class of the league.
Now that doesn’t he mean isn’t dragging ass sucking wind while he’s on the floor, but his pure mpg isn’t bad w/r/t the rest of the league.
$12 mill. a year . . .
is what I’d expect for a center who is close to All-Star or NBA All-Defensive Team level talent entering the market as a restricted free agent. Yes, true centers are rare, and teams tend to overpay for NBA centers — especially young ones. I would be surprised though if McGee’s deal exceeded DeAndre Jordan unless there is a huge improvement in his development over the rest of the season.
by Vegas010 on Jan 29, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I have been thinking about this a lot
And I have no idea. Absolutely no idea. On one hand, I think McGee could become a franchise center. He’s not a top 5 or top 10 center yet, but he’s a year or two away from his prime. He could get there.
On the other hand, I could see him being a team killer if he got a max contract. He could be a headcase with a big contract, who can’t play 30 minutes a game, and never truly learns his defensive or offensive assignments.
I don’t envy EG on this one.
by GJennings on Jan 30, 2012 12:55 AM EST reply actions 5 recs
Howard, Bynun, Gasol(Marc), Horford, Chandler, Noah… That’s 6 and the top tier.
Hibbert (probably more coveted than Vale around the league), Brook Lopez (like it or not, more coveted than Vale), Deandre Jordan… That’s the young guys…
Then you factor in that most nights, guys like Andrew Bogut, Samuel Dalembert, Chris Kaman, or other vets, are going to at least match Javale’s statistical production if not exceed it… and I’m not calling him top 10. Top 10 talent and prospect? Definitely. But not top 10 player.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 4 recs
bogut's leagues better than javale
by BigPenisArenas on Jan 30, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I actually agree BigPenisArenas tehehe
He made that last list just because I thought of him late.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 30, 2012 5:40 PM EST up reply actions
name 10 centers right now better than Mcgee?
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 30, 2012 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Right now
McGee is 11th in scoring among centers. He is 11th in rebounding among NBA centers. He is 10th most turnover prone center. 36th in assists. First in Blocks. 60th in FT%. 13th in overall EFF according to NBA.com. 12th Worst Center at committing fouls per game. First in Goaltending. Those numbers support the conclusion that he’s not a top ten center.
I would probably put the following players ahead of McGee right now. My list is pretty similar to what Return of Swagger posted above.
1. Dwight Howard
2. Andrew Bynum
3. Marc Gasol
4. Tyson Chandler
5. Al Horford
Those five are all clearly better than McGee in almost every statistical category. The next group have some areas of their game which are inferior to McGee, but looking at their game holistically they are stronger.
6. Andrew Bogut
7. Al Jefferson
8. Roy Hibbert
9. Greg Monroe
10. Marcin Gortat
The following players area about equal with McGee with now: Cousins, Hawes, Dalembert, and Jordan.
So a reasonable ranking of McGee puts him in around 11-16 range.
That’s also just players that are listed as “centers.” There are players who can play center better than McGee who are listed as PF- Duncan, P. Gasol, etc.
by GJennings on Jan 30, 2012 3:27 PM EST up reply actions 6 recs
Let the Draft Decide
If we end up with a top two pick and land Drummond, then we should let McGee go, though a sign and trade might be a good option.
McGee is a great fast break center and shot blocker. And he gives great effort. But even if he maxed out all of those, his bad defensive positioning will always hold him back.
I think Drummond, in his first or second year will already be a better defender and rebounder than McGee. And at 270, is physically capable of standing ground with and other big man in the league.
If we could package McGee and other assets (along eith taking back some bad contracts) to a team like Golden State or Sacrmento, in exchange for their late top 10 pick, which we could turn into Kidd-Gilchrist, I think that would be an amazing summer for us.
We can't trade an expiring contract on draft day
In fact, we have NO leverage in a sign and trade and should be happy with a top 55 protected 2013 second round pick and a trade exception we have no use for.
If you wan’t to trade him and get anything out of it, you have to do it before the trade deadline this yr (februari 25th I believe)
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 30, 2012 2:14 AM EST up reply actions
You can set up trades that don't go into affect until later
It’s been done. But i’d be fine trading him before the deadline for either of those team’s unprotected pick. we’d have to give them more than just him, and take back some salary.
i doubt we can get an unprotected 1st round pick for an RFA.
the other issue imo is the public nature of the team’s issues with Mcgee makes us look desperate in trying to trade him before the deadline, so Ernie may be negotiating from a position of weakness. My guess is they hold onto him and see what other teams offer him this summer while putting out word they plan on matching any offer (even if they dont)
i bet we could for golden state
they think theyre better than their record and desperate for a center. i do that deal if i’m the wiz
by BigPenisArenas on Jan 30, 2012 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
I say keep him
10 mil a year or a little more definitely sounds reasonable. Javale has shown he is very talented. His abilities put him in top 5 center in the league category, but his mistakes take him right back out of it. So it just comes down to limiting the mistakes as much as possible. He has made strides from his early years, so he has proven he can improve. You can’t turn your back on a player like that imo.
by gray16 on Jan 30, 2012 6:34 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
we are going to have to pay him the max for the first year.
Maybe we could negotiate the pay increases, buy with JaVale, since he is worth keeping, we have to pay him the max.
I am not confident that he will play his worth, but every NBA team with cap space will pay him the max so I would rather be damned for signing him than be damned for not signing him.
by thewiz06 on Jan 30, 2012 9:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
No one...I repeat...No one is paying McGee the max
I find it crazy that anyone on here is even thinking about paying him the max. That would be a bigger mistake than the contract Rashard Lewis got and we’re feeling the effects of how absurd that contract was.
lets check...would i trade my center for McGee (assuming a healthy version of both players)
some instances like Raptors its not that Bargnani is great but they wouldn’t give up his points for McGee. Amir Johnson, Ed Davis, McGee frontline rotation would be cringe worthy offensively. OKC wouldn’t give up Perkins toughness, etc.
Eastern Conference: ATL – no. Philly – Yes. Boston – Yes. New York – no. New Jersey – debatable. Toronto – no. Chi – no. Indy – no. Bucks – no. Cavs – yes. Det – no if talking Monroe but yes if talking Wallace since both starting right now. Miami – yes. Orl – no. Char – yes.
West: OKC – no. Denver – no. Utah – no. Portland – yes. Minn – yes. LAC – no. LAL – no. Suns – yes. GS – yes. SAC – no. Dallas – yes. Houston – yes (but basically they have the grown up past his prime version of McGee in Dalembert). SA – yes (blair is listed at C). Memphis – no. NO – yes due to age, debatable otherwise.
by Staybon on Jan 30, 2012 10:22 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
The Suns would trade the Polish Hammer for JaVale?
Check the numbers, please.
by khrabb on Jan 30, 2012 10:46 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
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just the thought of his offseason workout is enough to make Dray hungry.
my mistake on that.
I forget about him all the time.
Not matching another teams offer will mean the wizards get ZERO for 4 years of developemental time.
Not to mention giving up on JaVale before he hits the beginning of prime NBA age, 26 years old.
by jmpalomo on Jan 30, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I agree
We are pot committed and JaVale’s alternative is worse
by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 30, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
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Instead we should commit $50-60 mil
Because he was already on our team for 4 years?
Because there’s no in between. It’s major franchise and rebuild plan changing commitment and risk, or cutting your (minor) losses. It’s not too early to cut ties.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 30, 2012 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
But there is an in between
Sign him for 4 years for about 12 million per year. If he’s not working out, trade him. His contract won’t be so overwhelming that he’s untradeable.
Assuming Blatche and Lewis are gone next year, that’s our 2 highest salaries. So there’s plenty available, both from a cap standpoint and a Ted’s wallet standpoint. The 12 million in the first year exactly matches the savings we get from buying out Rashard, so it has a good symmetry.
Honestly, time to let him walk
I remain unconvinced that we should pay 10 million a year for a player who still can’t run a pick and roll properly. Whether that’s on him, or on Wall, I’m not sure. However, I would only consider letting him go if we were to perform a complete housecleaning i.e letting Young, Blatche, and McGee all go their separate ways.
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 30, 2012 12:51 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Opps
posted early.
He plays a lot of good centers in the next couple games. He plays against Chicago and Noah tonight. He has Dwight Howard later in the week. The Clippers comes to town, bringing Jordan and Blake Griffin. We also get the Knicks on Feb 8, giving him a chance to go against Amare/Chandler. After a game against Miami, he plays against Greg Monroe and the Pistons.
If McGee can play well against Noah, Howard, Jordan, Chandler, and Monroe, I think people who claim he’s a “top 10 center” will have a leg to stand on. He doesn’t have to play well against all of them, but he needs to show he’s in their league. If he struggles like he did the first time with Howard, I think it’s fair to see him as more of a pretender than contender for being a top 10 center.
So maybe let’s check this poll against in two weeks?
by GJennings on Jan 30, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Every center in the league struggles with Dwight Howard. That is not a real good benchmark. Right now Mcgeee is putting up better numbers than Chandler and Jordan.
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 30, 2012 3:10 PM EST up reply actions
Hakee dominated Shaq
When they played against each other. However, Shaq showed progressed in the match-ups. This is year 4 of McGee playing against Howard. I think we need to see progress.
Does McGee need to outplay Howard? No. But, he does need to show that on his best days, he could make Howard compete.
Totally agree
We can’t always get laughed off the court. There’s no shame in Howard going for 20 and 10 against you. Getting beat respectably would be Kaman’s line. McGee’s line is not so good.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jan 30, 2012 4:36 PM EST up reply actions
off topic, but speaking of Griffin
Every time I see Griffin doing a Kia commercial I get annoyed. Proof that the fix was in on last year’s dunk contest.
Outsiders opinion
i think you sign mcgee, mainly because there will always be a market for him. Some team will always be looking to find a center, and the wizards might pick up some great assets due to that.
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yikes im not sure why only the subject posted
or why it double posted….
what i wrote was, i think you sign mcgee to whatever contract (so long as its not the max) because there will always be a market for young athletic 7 footers in the league. Maybe you cant trade him this year, or maybe not next year, but the year after that? A few years down the line. Having that asset is always going to be valuable no matter how good or bad mcgee plays, because there will always be a team looking to add a shot blocking center to anchor their defense. For that reason i think its a no brainer to sign him
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by piccolomair on Jan 30, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
exactly
that’s why i’ve been saying the cost isn’t really a concern, barring injury he will always be an asset. Right now with no further development, he is an elite shot blocker and solid rebounder…there will always be teams that want him.
yea
a team like atlanta would be starving for him, boston might love to have him as well, if orlando releases dwight they would be able to take in that salary for a few picks in the offseason, i think you have FAR more options after signing him, while if you choose not to, thats pretty much it. You could put that money elsewhere, but at this point this team really doesnt have a ton of need for cap relief
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He's either worth the money or not
After 4 years of evaluating him the Wizards shouldn’t be guessing. I have a big problem with the team rationalizing a commitment with the idea that they can always trade him.
Would that it were that cut and dried.
With JaVale it is not that simple.
Letting him go this summer is NOT an option. If matching another team’s offer and signing him on for four years at $40+ million is unpalatable for whatever reason to Wizard management, then he needs to be traded this season.
If the team had a Blake Griffin on a rookie contract for two more years plus an option, it would be different. But they don’t.
by khrabb on Jan 30, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

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