Washington Wizards Squeak by Charlotte Bobcats: The Ship Still Floats
by Sean Fagan on Jan 28, 2012 9:36 PM EST
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PrintYou live by the BJ Mullens, you die by the BJ Mullens!
I am not sure how many Knute Rockne speeches on CAN give during the course of the season, but I am fairly certain that the Wizards coaching staff could read the Bell Jar to the team and get a better reaction than whatever is currently being said. Flat in the third, let a bad team crawl back into the game, and barely got out of of Dodge with a win.....
Coach WIttman: "You guy are doing all the right things, I just want you to do them a bit less."
Wizards: (Blank stares)
Coach Wittman: "Now go out there and smoke them if you got them!"
Wizards: (Blank stares)
If I were the coach, (and thank goodness I'm not), my entire halftime speech would consist of screaming BJ MULLENS until they realized that what they were doing was wrong,
OK, so it was the Bobcats with a star turn from BJ Mullens. But a win is a win is a win. Go out and celebrate tonight, because tomorrow there will be inevitable drama.
One brief game note:
- I'm not sure what is going on with Andray Blatche. He appeared to staredown Wittman after getting pulled from the game and basically jogged up and down the court. Mike Lee later reported that Blatche was out with a "strained" left calf. Hmmmm I say. Hmmmmmmmmm.
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Good Win by the Wiz
… and excellent game by JaVale McGee. At 24, he’s still learning and the Wizards should definitely hang on to him. In years past, how did trading away Ben Wallace, Chris Webber, and Rasheed Wallace turn out for this team?
Athletic 7’ Centers are rare in the NBA and with a tougher PF around him next year, he should be even better.
by JekyllnHyde on Jan 28, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You know who's just as guilty as Mcgee for his disgusting pick setting
Its Wall, at some point u have to sit Javale down and explain to him what he’s doing and what he needs to do in the future. But yeah i agree, he is apart of the future
by KurisuDevil on Jan 28, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
But really i dont know the coaching staff looks at game film for over 3 years and doesnt
coach that bad habit out of him..
Pam McGee is always lurking at practice.
Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.
Pick thing is an easy fix just repetitions at practice.
I’m more concerned with his asthma at this point he needs to try and find a better fix he still i wiped out an awful lot of the floor.
He needs to try and get that better under control. I think some of the mistakes are a result of fatigue no way an nba player should be gasping like he does.
It's hard to watch him gasp for air very early in the game.
But he should be more used to it after a few years in the NBA.
Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.
the asthma is really the #1 issue
when he breathes well like tonight he often beasts out
they are ok with his picks
i’ve been to 3 practices and that’s how he sets picks and no one tells him (or any other Big) anything different….of course 3 practises is a small sample size to be sure
Is JaVale to blame for anything he does?
Seriously? This is a NBA player who’s been in the league for several years now. It’s embarrassing how many people try to blame his faults on others.
by ElixCash on Jan 29, 2012 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I dont see how they can be OK with it...i mean it traps John
and its such a joke that prolly the fastest player in the league cant turn the corner or get into the paint off the PnR.
some observers say John doesnt use picks well enough
that he needs to drive more towards his big and close that gap, so between his tendencies and javale’s bad picks it’s really bad…i dont know
He doesnt work it like cp3 or anything but
it does usually yield positive outcomes. And if they would just take the time to get the PnR right, they’d BOTH see their numbers go up along with the W’s
Wall is bad, but quickly getting better. JaVale is terrible, and improving slowly.
The PnR with Wall and our players not named McGee is actually starting to look decent. Occasionally, the Wall-McGee PnR looks good, too, but it’s far too inconsistent.
Setting a good pick is about angles and timing. JaVale’s feel for the angles is improving, but his timing is still terrible. He usually gets to the spot a beat early, which gives the defense too much time to adjust.
It would be so easy if these things we brought to the forefront
Why don’t media heads for the city mention these things? JaVAle would have no option to ignore it.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Recovering from shoulder surgery ;)
I don’t have internet at home right now, so it’s been a little tougher to get on. And I’m never quite sure what to say after a bad loss that doesn’t sound totally cheesy or condescending since I’m no longer feeling the full pain.
But I still check on the kids, and hope for a win and/or good performances.
:)
How are the Hawks this year? Ready to trade us Al Horford for Andray Blatche?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 30, 2012 12:00 PM EST up reply actions
we couldn't move Blatche for a bag of chips at this point.
he will never get it. no matter who the coach is. He doesn’t even wanna play hard anymore.
At least the bag of chips doesn't impact the cap.
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 28, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
if the bobcats had a center maybe they could move mullens to PF
he can’t rebound, but he can shoot.
anytime we are in a close game down the stretch is a positive
no matter who the opponent is…. especially a road win. Good experience for our guys.
by koop1122 on Jan 28, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Actaully on the Blacthe thing
I do remember well before the stare down
blatche seems to be injured, limping
by stevie on Jan 28, 2012 4:26 PM PST reply actions
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Still a staredown and some "coaching" issues....
Should make for an interesting after game……..
by Aquamaneastfish on Jan 28, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
"Javale was huge"
has Flip EVER said that? good for you randy…he’s much more even-handed than Flip (so far) in his postgames
I was joking around before the game with regards to Nick Young's rebound+assist #s
I set the over/under at 3. He had 1. One. Simply stunning.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
Even though he shot it pretty well tonight,
gotta let him walk after the season. Can’t overpay for that production. And judging by what transpired before this season, I think he’s gone.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
His D is pretty good. Doesn't make up for his flaws though.
I’ve usually always liked him, but I’ve come around to the fact that he should not be a starting 2 guard in the NBA.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that he'd fit in there. With that kind of team, it's okay that he's one dimensional
For the Wizards, we just don’t have nearly enough pieces to get by with Nick Young as our leading scorer. But I do think he’d thrive playing next to Paul, Butler, Griffin, Jordan, etc.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
how many nba players are actually fully rounded or whatever we want to call it?
i’m not saying we have to keep Nick…but man the “one” thing he does (scoring) is something no one else on the team can touch
If he's cheap, sure, why not? But I still don't like the idea of him as our starting 2 guard.
We don’t have enough talent for Nick Young to be the guy we rely on. And he’s not just one dimensional….it’s almost astronomical how low his assist and rebound #s have been.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
i think his scoring coupled with his man defense makes him a starter on some rosters
but yeah the main thing is if he leaves we must get someone in here who can score
"can be a starter on some rosters" just doesn't get me excited enough
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Then we have to draft a starting SG... and a PF
there is no SG free agent out there as good or better than Nick that will come here.
We're going to have to overpay Eric Gordon
Which I’d be fine with – he’d be a great fit with ‘tremendous upside’ at just 23. Not only does he score, but he also assists and rebounds! A long-term fit starting at SG.
I don’t believe the NBA owners will elect to spend the money to keep Eric Gordon on the Hornets. And I don’t think there’s another team as desperate, and as financially free, as we are.
We’re going to have to overpay somebody – that’s how free agency seems to work in the NBA. There are fewer and fewer “stars” that hit the market anymore, especially young ones. Amnesty Blatche, buyout Lewis and we’ve got the entire cap to work with.
(Then we draft Sullinger to start at PF, and suddenly, we’re not looking so bad… better and even younger than we are right now, with better chemistry to boot)
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 29, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not happening
and i don’t mean to them offering him crazy money, but no way he’d come to the Wizards. the guy is a competitor. he wants to win. team will need to get players in the draft or by trade. free agency isn’t going to be how this team brings in studs.
I think he would take money over a being on a competitive team
Say if we offered him the max, and no other team did, he would accept our offer. But it’s going to be super hard to get him since he’s restricted.
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New Orleans will offer 5-years this summer for Gordon...
They’ve already said that… The CBA restricts what they can do right now (4-years)… but Gordon rejected that, preferring a 5-year contract (which only NO can offer this Summer)…
NO – The Wizards will lose Nick Young this Summer and they will have ANOTHER hole to fill. They will not only lose 20 points per night scoring, but a very good perimeter defender…
If they Amnesty Blatche – PF becomes the most important hole to fill… but the Wizards will have to suffer through ANOTHER pitiful year next year (2012-2013) because they have no scoring…. bringing them one more year closer to losing John Wall…
Shortsighted Wizards management in not locking up McGee and Young… and not trading Blatche when they had a chance last year (when he was playing good basketball)….
Now they’ve alienated both McGee and Young – both will walk and happily play for a different team that values the things they CAN do (and doesn’t denigrate them for the things they can’t do)….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jan 29, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
I guess to play DA to that particular argument
where we going with those two players in the first place? Developmentally, haven’t we already hit the peak with Young?
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 29, 2012 11:03 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that would be 11th in the league, tied with DWade, so yes it's good enough
by DCrez on Jan 28, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
As a shooter, he's a good fit with Wall and his on-ball defense is better than most guards
Young can check the dominant guard, while Wall is better off the ball, taking charges and intercepting passes. With Wall’s rebounding and distribution you have 2 very complimentary players.
Furthermore, Young usually is a net positive in terms of PER differential, meaning his production outweighs the production of his matchup’s. Wall useally is a net negative. Even if he plays well like yesterday, he still gets out produced=out played by his match up.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
Nick is just such a polarizing figure
Someone could write a thesis as to why, but it is what it is. He was a blackhole at one point because he never knew when he would get back in. That has been cut down some, but he still is high usage, but we don’t know if that is by design as the primary scoring option or if he still has an allergy to passing. I see a willingness to pass, although he isn’t a good passer, which lessens the impact.
As you have said, he is a streaky volume shooter and reasonable on ball defender.
For comparison, there is also a contingent of people who believe a non shooter that has a high basketball IQ but hustles is more valuable. Whether it is Jan Vessely or Othyus Jeffers last year (who put up lines very similar to Jan and played with the same type of intensity and bball instincts).
Do people prefer a line of 2-4-4 over 21-1-0? Or do people think the someone will still pay Nick Young $9mil, which is obviously too much? Would $5mil be too much? Or do people simply see Nick Young as a bad apple and part of an old guard and associated mindset that just needs to go….?
I prefer 21-3-1 over 4-3-2
But I can’t help and zee him as part of the ‘old culture’ as well. Not nescesarilly as a bad apple but he has that old era stink over him.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 9:16 AM EST up reply actions
As one of the ONLY players left from the "old" regime
that really tries to do what the coaching staff tells him… Never says a bad word about the organization or his fellow players….
Unfortunately, he gets “thrown in” with JaVale McGee and Andray Blatche. One is a guy that seemingly is difficult to coach, and another that seemingly cannot stay away from fast food joints.
Young is NOT perfect… He’s not as good a shooter as Ray Allen… He’s a terrible passer… and not much on the boards…
But he’s a good teammate. He’s a professional. He has a good work ethic. He always comes into camp in top shape. He works on his game in the off-season. He works hard during the season. You can tell he hates losing. He can score the ball.. and he can keep his opponent from scoring the ball.
And when he leaves this Summer, and fans and media people around the country see what he can do on a team that knows how to set picks… on a team that has good rebounders… on a team that just needs someone to hit open shots and defend his position – - – then everyone will see the value of a guy like Nick Young…
Meanwhile, next year, the Wizards will struggle to score 70 points a night…. They have NO shooters – and the only two guys that can consistently put the ball in the basket from long range will most likely be gone.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Rook, the one thing hurting your analysis
is that there were a lot of teams out there with money this summer, and NONE of them chose to sign Nick Young.
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 29, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
that is one possibility...
two others….
2. He wanted to leave and threw out a high number to make sure the Wizards would not match if he happened to get it.
3. He really thought he was worth that much and turned down smaller offers.
Is there reporting that shows which of these three was actually the case?
No reporting has ever indicated that Young was approached
seriously by other teams. Which again, could lead one to think that a) Young is seriously estimating his own value or b) Young’s value is considered fairly low across the league
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 29, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I'm curious how young can score 21 efficient points
and play good defense, and all anyone can see is his rebounds and assists. Even in a game when he had 25 points, 4 assists, 4 steals, people were pointing out his 0 rebounds
by Llamaman on Jan 28, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
Agree
He’s the best scorer on the team and sometimes the only scorer. Definitely needed all of his points in the 4th quarter. If we let him walk without an adequate replacement, we will be taking another step backwards.
Well I'm hoping if we let him walk we will have a plan to get somebody in here to take the bulk of the minutes at the 2 position.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
I don't thinkwe should give him the contract that he'll ask for
If he came cheap, why not? But he’s probably not going to be worth what he’ll get. I can see a team looking at his scoring numbers and overpaying him.
I just don’t think Nick is a starter in this league. He’d be the perfect 6th man though.
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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 28, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Not saying we should keep him at all costs
And I agree he’s a 6th man ideally (but not necessarily), just saying he gets unfair criticism.
by Llamaman on Jan 28, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
won't need to give him what he ask for.
cause no one else will probably either. just is a point of how much will a team be willing to give him and if the Wizards paid the same or slightly more would he come back or just take the change of scenery. I think he leaves if its the same or even slightly more. Can tell he does actually give a damn. He wants to have a chance of winning. Would be best for the Wizards to try to trade him while they can – probably can get a 1st from a team making a playoff run.
I think he is a starter, but that is due to a lack of good SG
I can’t name 30 better SGs. I also think that if he is on a team with a scoring role and better players, the assist numbers go up and people don’t pay as much attention to rebounds because that would not be his role.
But he clearly has limitations that mean he will never be an all star.
I can't name 15 better shooting guards in the League....
and EVERY shooting guard in the League has faults… Poor passing, poor rebounder, poor defender, poor shooter, poor teammate, bad apple……etc….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
i'll try...not sure if i will be able to or not. just going to see...
In order of my memory: (NOTE: there will be misspellings)
1) Wade
2) Kobe
3) Gordon
4) Aflalo
5) Ginobli
6) Ray Allen
7) Marcus Thornton
8) James Harden
9) Wes Matthews
10) Iguodala
11) Jason Terry
12) Joe Johnson
13) Monta Ellis
14) Kevin Martin
and even a few of those are debatable. probably a couple i left off that are debatable but yeah does look like he’s a top 15 SG.
Those minutes are earmarked for Michael Jordan Crawford.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I know he's a good scorer and a pretty good defender,
but his flaws are really a gaping hole in his overall game. He’s 6’7" and will never go after a rebound, on offense or defense. It affects the team in a negative way, even when he’s shooting it like he did tonight. Pretty good game from him tonight, but I don’t like his overall game as our starting shooting guard.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
And how much would should it matter that our Shooting Guard only gets 3 rebounds per 40 minutes?
Why does it matter? Because our bigs SUCK at rebounding… McGee has gotten better, but if the Center/PF combination on this team were rebounding beasts, grabbing 18 rebounds a night, then NO ONE would be complaining about Nick Youngs paltry 2.2 rebounds a night…
Instead we’d be marveling that we have a starting shooting guard that can actually SCORE and PREVENT the opponent from scoring… something that MOST teams don’t have….
But no…. Our Shooting Guard can’t just shoot… can’t just defend… It’s not good enough that he scores at a 21.5 points per 40 minutes clip and holds opposing shooting guards to 8.7 PER and that the Wizards are 11.9 points better on defense with Young in the game than when he’s not in the game.
For some reason, that’s not good enough because Nick Young cannot seem to put together a super human stat line that includes at least 5 rebounds, 5 assists, and 2 steals every night… (and who cares about defense)….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
rook, you had me
last year on young. not sure why others aren’t happy with what we get from him for what we pay him. keep him around for $5mil a year, give him 20 to 30 mins a night as either a starter or 6th man. get rid of crawford.
the Wizards were hoping to secure him to a contract that would pay him "slightly" more than the mid-level exception of $5 million, according to people with knowledge of the negotiations.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/wizards/wizards-nick-young-im-just-taking-it-out-on-the-league/2011/12/19/gIQAlBxU5O_story.html
by yop32 on Jan 29, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
His rebounding and assists say something to me about his effort and his awareness.
I don’t like Nick as a starting 2 guard.
And let’s not get crazy about tonight’s performance. He took some bad shots (like he usually does) except tonight they went in. For the year, he’s shooting 39.9% from the field to go along with 2.3 rebs and 1.4 assists (career high). He ain’t worth $9M.
Never said he was worth $9M, or that I'm in love with him because of tonight
just saying people focus to much on his flaws and not enough on the things he does well.
by Llamaman on Jan 28, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 5 recs
we'd have zero wins without Nick
which doesnt mean he should be re-signed, but as far as this team goes he aint the only guy with gaping holes on their game
by DCrez on Jan 28, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Well put, true.
But this team is pretty bad.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
agree 100%
I wish Nick had it in his game to be a better passer and rebounder… but what he does for us is something that no one can replace unless we find a very good starting 2 guard in the draft (we also need a PF). I don’t think the lack of rebounding and assists is effort as much as awareness. I see Nick trying out there but he just doesn’t seem to have a great feel for the court unless he is trying to create his own shot… his scoring and defense does not get near the credit it deserves and we would be so much worse than we are without him… which is pretty damn bad.
He does not hold his position well and has a lack of hand
strength, which results in a lot of rebound touches that he loses. Most of his rebounds are uncontested. Additionally on off, he is the only shooter, so he is an outlet and expected to be first back so no rebounds there isn’t necessarily bad. He is also covering people who stand outside for 3s, so it is tougher to get rebounds. I would expect 2-3 rebounds. If you think about the high volume rebounding SGs, they are usually slashers, who are around the basket alot…Kobe, Wade, etc…
On assists, he has bad court vision and is imprecise, but he is also hurt by not having good finishers, just like John. On another team, I suspect his assists would go up by 1-2….
Here's a question for you Bassanova....
If Rebounds and assists say something about effort….. Then what does SCORING say? What does playing tough, in your face defense say?
If shooting Guards that can score 20 points per night and defend their position are a dime a dozen – name me 12 better than Nick Young at Scoring and defense… 12 starting shooting guards that score more , and can defend….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Nick gets to line at a fairly good clip.
To me that says more about his effort than do assists.
So prognosticate, Rook. What will he sign for next year?
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
Rebounding reflects effort and assists reflect awareness (especially for a guard), imho.
1. Nick doesn’t score 20 a night. Why not let him average 20 points a game before we give him that status?
2. I never said 20-pt scorers were a dime a dozen.
3. I do like Nick’s on-ball defense but I certainly wouldn’t characterize it as being of the tough, in-your-face variety. He’s no Bruce Bowen. Whom has he locked down?
There’s a good reason why apparently not one team approached Nick with a big-money contract, despite the fact that lots of teams had money to spend AND they could amnesty players to create more cap space where there might have been little. Can’t dribble, can’t pass, won’t rebound. Do you think, for example, Eric Gordon would have gotten offers if he were in Nick’s position during free agency?
Nick’s shooting performance last night brought him from 39.9% from the field for the season to 40.9%. Nothing to write home about. I don’t dislike Young. I just think he’s a backup and I wouldn’t be upset if the Wizards re-signed him, as long as his contract and his spot in the lineup reflect that he’s a backup.
by Bassanova on Jan 29, 2012 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
We should ask the 29 teams that did not offer Nick a contract
by jmpalomo on Jan 29, 2012 7:24 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I think it's more likely they did/wanted too, but the sence was
That Washington would match anything under $7,5/yr and Nick asking Cor $9 was just too much, especially since dudes like Jamal Crawford ($5.5) and Afflalo ($7.5) signed for less.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:36 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Except he can veto any trade because he'd lose his Bird Rights
And given that he asked for $9 million last summer, those Bird Rights are valuable.
McGee is +13 tonight. Game high.
All starters (and How u?) have positive +/-.
Just throwing it out there.
Skins, Bullets/Wizards, Nats, Caps.
All Washington Everything.
If only we could play the Bobcats every game
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by adamvolo on Jan 28, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The D League
Blatche should be sent to the D League for a month or so until he gets into shape. The current modus operandi is not helping him or the team.
Yep, you van only send a player to the DLeague in the first two yrs of his Rookie deal
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
They should just give him the wrong flight information tonight
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
he wouldn't show up there...
which would get him in trouble. i like the idea.
Never mind. Detroit lost. I'm not giving up hope, though.
We can still end up at the bottom. Our guys can do it!
As long as we have a top 5 pick, I'm happy.
Plenty of talent in the top 8 of this year’s draft.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
I still think we're the worst team in the league
CHA has 3 starters out. I think they’ll overtake us once they get healthy.
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Wall looked at exhausted at the end of the game
It was a very close game. Wall was so tired he looked liked he didn’t care who won. In fact, I’d say he didn’t care. He needs to be in much better shape. He looks exactly the same as last year. He needs to get stronger and get in better shape. And his shot is still terrible. What, exactly, did he do over the off season? I’d say nothing judging by the looks of his game.
Yeah it looks like he always gets gassed early
He needs to go on that Nate Robinson diet/workout regimen. Dude never gets tired.
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Ray Allen never gets tired.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 28, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions
one thing he does well this year
is bust his ass on defense. that is why he gets tired, but ray allen doesn’t
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by little stevie colter on Jan 28, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
I've read JWall's twitter and he eats nothing, but junk food.
If he’s serious about being a superstar he better get a personal chef and professional dietitian.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 28, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Is this still true??
I remember this was an issue of concern around this time last year
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 29, 2012 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
To make these types of claims, please have links to back them up.
It’s part of the site rules. I read his Twitter as well and maybe I missed those. If you could put them here, that would be awesome.
by Craig_ on Jan 29, 2012 12:28 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't break the site rules!
I’ve got them taped to my wall.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 29, 2012 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Journeyman X has a new career high in Y
Must be a Wizards game. Still it’s a win.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jan 28, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Lost in all the shuffle of Young's lack of rebounding
Trevor Booker only finished with 3 rebounds. He was very efficient offensively (6/6 FG, 4/4 FT) but i expect more out of him. Aside from JaVale, he needs to become the guy the team can depend on to put a body on people and secure some boards.
Reason being simply Dray is Dray, Lewis is a poor rebounder and Seraphin doesn’t get enough minutes currently. The guards don’t crash at all and are usually heading up court so we are going to have to provide JaVale with some help because teams have been killing the Wiz on the boards and watching it has been painful.
On the flipside, loved his offensive contributions and wish they’d give him and Seraphin more post touches.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
thats because he pulls down every rebound with one hand
and loses a quarter of them out of bounds
Now that I’ve pointed it out, watch for it next game…
How can you expect more from Book?
He’s a 24 yr old roll player with limitations. He was never going to be a great rebounder in the NBA (lack of size and length) and he was never going to be a great scorer (lack of skill).
He has his good games in either category, even a few in both at the same time, but he is just a hustle/energy guy who’s drafted about 10 slots to high. That isn’t a problem at all but you shouldn’t expect too much of him.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
he gives me everything i want out of a basketball player
if he is traded before the age of 30-32, i will no longer watch the wizards
Yeah - right...
Let’s not hold our big men accountable for rebounding….
We should only criticize our shooting guard for being a poor rebounder …
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jan 29, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
And poor assist man and poor in steals
He produces zero rebounding, zero assisting and Zero Steals.
Some say he is a great perimeter defender. The only Defense that cannot be quantified because there is no stat for a perimeter defender.
I can say that any guard in the NBA is a great perimeter defender because there is no way to prove it.
On a thread that ciriticzed
Trevor Booker and AB for lack of rebounding, this just seems like a bizarre thought. The initial poster also attacked Lewis for being a bad rebounder too.
Not everything is about Nick…
Bold theory: We should criticize and compliment players for all their faults and successes respectively. So Nick Young can be bad at rebounding, Jordan Crawford can be bad at passing, and Seraphin can be bad at having the proper number of wisdom teeth. 6? That’s just crazy.
by GJennings on Jan 29, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't pretty..
but, a win is a win. I like what I am seeing from Vesely. He plays pretty solid defense. I also liked the alley oop lob at the top of the backboard for McGee. No body else in the league can get up high enough to get that pass (cept maybe D Howard). Hope we see more of that.
Did nobody else have the Bobcats feed for this game?
They called it with Blatche.
Blatche said something to Coach during game play. Then Blatche scored and stared at Randy. The Bobcats announcers said “he’s not going to win that one…he’s going to get pulled out of the game and I wonder if he’s going to get back in” (paraphrasing). Guess they spotted something.
Yeah they called it
They also said Crawford took a heat check on his very first FGA lol. They later said he was building a house with all the bricks he had collected…
It wasn’t even homerism, I would say they werd very knowledgeable on our roster and realistic about our ànd their own roster.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 29, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
they were wrong in my opinion...
I watched the replay during halftime…at no point did he stare at Randy. There was confusion about him getting out. Vesely came in, Blatche asked him if was being subbed, thought he said yeah, and the Randy yelled ‘DRAY" and told him to go back on the court. Dray turned around and ran back on the court. And then on two follow up plays, he ran down the court without even looking over at the bench. One was a miss, one was a make. On the make, he absolutely didn’t stare at Randy (he only scored once again in the entire game). Unless something happened during a timeout, or he ran down the court backwards staring at Randy, this is mythology based on the opponents announcers.
The confustion of being subbed out was what I saw
looked like he turned and asked if he was coming out, headed to the bench because he though he was, then was told he was still in so headed back. I didn’t see any staring.
exactly...clearly, we didn't see everything,
but I really didn’t see anything that whole sequence after going back to specifically look for something.
A note on Jan Vesely
Jan Vesely is playing reasonably and showing signs of improvement. He is continuing to demonstrate a high basketball IQ, a willingness to play team ball, active hands, intensity and hustle. He is playing well rounded, with similar scoring, rebounding and assist numbers. He is doing all of the little thing right.
Every winning basketball team needs that type of player, starting or off the bench. They tend to have good NBA careers. I actually love that type of player and they become fan favorites.
But let’s be clear. We had that player on our team late last year. And he wasn’t the sixth pick in the draft.
His name was Othyus Jeffers.
If you look at advanced stats, one could actually argue that Jeffer’s played better based on almost all categories in less Min/game. (Please note, this graphic includes his 2010 Utah numbers, but that is due to a quirk at Basketball-Reference. If you only look at his Wizards numbers, they are even better)
This isn’t to say Jan can’t get better. I expect him to. But we need to be careful to not grade Jan on the Wizard’s curve. Just because no one else seems to get the basics, doesn’t mean Jan is an absolute rock star yet. It doesn’t even mean he is coming close to justifying his draft position.
My point is we have the equivalent of Othyus Jeffers starting on our team. Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2011-2012 Washington Wizards.
by DavidDunn on Jan 29, 2012 9:17 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
jan has enormous upside
jeffers is all heart
Jeffers was 23rd in rate of WinsProduced per 48 last year
And WP48 is the be-all and end-all number.
So comparing JV to OJ is a little misleading.
By the way, rebounding is a skill. Some players have it, and then there’s Nick Young.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 29, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
Young
has been doing a better job rebounding this year. I think rebounding can be taught. Other than things, such as whether a player is suppose to leak out as part of the scheme, can also impact rebounding totals.
Rebounding can be taught. McGee is boxing out significantly better than last season. He’s still not great at it, but he’s trying a lot more.
Chris Kaman on the trade market...
Anybody like a Blatche, Turiaf, and 2nd round pick package for Kaman?
Kaman has a $14mm expiring contract
Why would the ‘nets want to take on Blatche’s contract & attitude when dumping a contract? Maybe Kaman has value to a team looking for a rent-a-center. That’s not the Wiz.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 29, 2012 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Just throwin it out there
Well, can’t trade Blatche anyway because he’s injured. Though, how do you guys suggest Ernie (assuming he gets to keep his job) move Dray this summer? Do you use the amnesty clause on Lewis and buy out Dray just for the purpose of cutting ties with him?
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