Flip Saunders Fired: Rounding Up Smart Takes On The News
Some smart takes on the news of Flip Saunders' firing:
- In case you missed it, takes from me (on SB Nation) and Sean (here).
- Andray Blatche talked about the decision on 106.7 The Fan. [Audio | Transcript]
- Kyle Weidie's piece for Washington City Paper is really strong and sharp.
- One take suggesting the Wizards are the dumbest team ever. [Kelly Dwyer, Ball Don't Lie]
- Saunders is probably happy he no longer has to coach out of his comfort zone. [True Hoop]
- Love this headline: "We Were Dead Before The Ship Even Sank." [Hardwood Paroxysm]
- John Wall's regression played a major role in Saunders' firing. [Hang Time Blog]
- Flip's probably just relieved at this point. [Washingtonian]
- Saunders took the fall for Ernie Grunfeld's roster. [David Steele, Sporting News]
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What a day at the office huh Mike?
Tnx for your hard work man.
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Yes, those of us who live at some distance from the epicenter...
greatly appreciate the effort here!
Question re Kyle’s piece, I have read such a negative take on Nick Young before. His public persona seems pretty much goofy and carefree, which is why I have been supportive of his talent and development…. It seems a pretty nice package to a distant observer. Now, I am sure he is not a happy guy to be playing for the QO this year, but Mike and all, what is the real take on Nick? Good teammate? Or selfish, bad apple?
My take...
Nick Young is a good guy. Good teammate.
A good player? Probably not… Can’t pass. Rarely rebounds… Sometimes makes poor decisions and takes bad shots….
But he’s been unfairly painted with the same wide brush as McGee and Blatche. The difference is that Nick is not a knucklehead. He’s not a guy that doesn’t care. He doesn’t have off-court issues. He’s not a guy that gets into a fight with a teammate in a club. Not a guy that throws his coach under the bus after the first game of the year. Not a guy that showboats every chance he gets. Not a guy that loafs all Summer long. Not a guy that relies on his Mother to defend his bonehead plays. Not a guy that gets arrested. Not a guy that promises to be better 7 days a week, then disappoints. Not a guy that turns a deaf ear to his Coach.
Young is a guy that is coach-able. He shows up every year in tip top shape. He works hard in the off-season. Ask him to play defense, he tries… Ask him to shoot off screens, he tries… Ask him to pass more, he tries (doesn’t succeed, but he tries)….. He smiles, and he tries.
But should he be put in the same category, painted with the same brush as McGee? or especially Blatche? NO…!!!
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jan 24, 2012 9:18 PM EST up reply actions 7 recs
I agree so strongly with everything you just said
Fault the guy for not being a complete player, fault the guy for spacing out now and then, fault the guy for getting down on himself, but don’t fault him for trying. Dude tries, and seems like a damn decent person and good teammate. I don’t think I’ve ever heard him say a bad word about a teammate or a coach and there have obviously been plenty of opportunities. He’s probably not worth as much as he thinks he is, but he’s pretty obviously worth more than what he’s getting now.
YES YES YES YES!
That is put excellently. Nick shouldn’t be grouped in with those guys just because he was here before gun-gate
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 24, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks for this Rook and all...
I wonder why Kyle went off on Nick so harshly.
So I still hope the stars align for us to retain Nick.
Is Nick young selfish?
Hey, I love the guy but of course he is, or at least his play is much of the time. Is that really in question?
Is he mean? I don’t have any clue.
This might sound weird
But I’m not even sure it’s selfishness as much as it is a problem with his court vision. I think the guy just genuinely can’t see the court that well.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 25, 2012 9:20 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
"...as he captained the Titanic of the Wizards into the iceberg of disappointment"
Love that line from Abbott
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 24, 2012 6:27 PM EST reply actions
Things that makes you say...hmmm
MrMichaelLee Michael Lee
Randy Wittman said he wants #wizards to play faster. They are 3rd in NBA in fastbreak points behind DEN & MIA. How much faster can they get?
2 hours ago
whats their pace?
http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamstats/_/sort/paceFactor
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 24, 2012 9:14 PM EST up reply actions
I think the pace is not really the problem, it's the big difference in pace in the game
We either run ór run an agonizingly slow developing halfcourt play.
the average of 1 and 1 and 10 is 5 but is doesn’t say much, just like being 6th in pace doesn’t really say much about our play style imho
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 5:32 AM EST up reply actions
I think he's saying that we need to get into halfcourt sets faster
because that’s the only real way we have a chance in halfcourt sets. Basically he wants to catch the defense off balance because we don’t execute a good enough offense to score in the halfcourt otherwise.
I think we should shop everyone not named John Wall as well.
I think we can get good pieces out of trading McGee and Young…then maybe we make a push for Hibbert and/or Love via free agency.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Jan 24, 2012 6:46 PM EST via mobile reply actions
From the WCP piece...
“I would’ve walked with [Flip] if I didn’t believe this team could be better than we are," said Wittman, conveying ignorance of the need for more drastic adjustment.
Horse shit. You would’ve walked with Flip if your contract was guaranteed to pay out and you were going to be able to go do TV work until another team called and offered you the chance to be a head coach. But seeing as that isn’t your life, you took the interim tag and will go down with the Ed Tapscott’s of history. Enjoy the pay bump for the rest of the year.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 24, 2012 6:51 PM EST reply actions
From TAB...
This is the dumbest basketball team I’ve ever seen.
Fucking right.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 24, 2012 6:54 PM EST reply actions
Is this in reply to one of the articles in particular or one of the responses?
The reply button makes the conversation a lot easier to follow…
by jakenbake on Jan 24, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mike/Sean or anyone else in the know...
is there a place I can review the minutes a player has played on the floor at the same time as another player? I’m curious if there’s ever been an overlap of Mack/Wall for any meaningful amount of time.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions
Thanks!
I’m starting to be of the opinion that Wall might be served by getting some time off the ball.
Mack has looked solid running the half court and I don’t see any reason why a back court of Mack and Wall couldn’t work.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 24, 2012 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
Completely forgot about that...
probably because I figured that there was no way we’d be lucky enough to win the draft lottery, so I didn’t pay much attention.
So why aren’t we looking at Wall’s game and trying to find as many pieces to complement his style of play? Get him off the ball in the half court. He can still run on the break if the opportunity presents itself.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 24, 2012 7:32 PM EST up reply actions
You've got it the other way around
Bledsoe was the one playing off the ball most of the time at UK.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Yeah I remember it this way.
Would say 75% Wall as primary ball handler when both were on the court. Bledsoe did a lot of spot up shooting.
I would love that
They both would benefit and they collectively can figure out what tempo these team may have.
by DCPerspective on Jan 24, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
I feel like theres a LOT of negative momentum in terms of getting rid of everyone
All the pundits and big name media ppl are saying the problem far exceeds Flip and thats prolly true, but i dont think its time to hit the panic button on an asset like Javale, Just b/c we have gotten burned by guys like Blatche doesnt mean Javale doesnt deserve the same kind of commitment, and Javale has improved his game, so its not like he isnt earning the benefit of the doubt.
by KurisuDevil on Jan 24, 2012 7:05 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I was completely wrong about Flip.
Thought he was a great hire and could win 50 games in his sleep, come away agreeing with all the people who said at the time he was overrated and unable to command a team. It’s funny how many rotten player incidents get pointed out in the post-mortem (dray refusing to enter game, mcgee triple-dub) while it appears Flip’s role is forgotten (started Dray next night, called 4 plays in a row to get Javale 10pts).
Wittman's career win percentage = .326
WIth 49 games left, that projects to 16 wins, 33 losses the rest of the way.
Sadly, I would be very happy with that. Sigh….
I saw this comment at realgm.com from a Bucks fan familiar with Ernie's work, and HAD to share
“I’m an opinionated Milwaukee fan from a few of the other threads.
I enjoy weighing in on these Grunfeld threads every six-months or so because the guy was toxic for our franchise when he was with us.
Both Milwaukee and Washington have (had) one thing in common. A beloved yet completely incompetent and meddling owner. In our case it is Herb Kohl. In your case Abe. Both guys like the idea of “winning now” rather than spending years in the high lotto. Both guys are(were) up in age. Kohl is 76 and I think Abe died at 87 (?)
While it would be easy to blame all of Ernie Grunfeld’s bad moves on meddling owners, I think that allows him off the hook. The bottom line is that the guy has been a GM from August 1999 (Bucks) through the current day (Wizards). In those 12.5 years, the guy has really made zero signature moves where you go “Wow, that was a great GM….that move(s) turned our franchise around”
In the draft world, he absolutely sucks. He doesn’t find you Westbrooks, Serge Ibaka’s or Wesley Matthews. Instead he finds you Marcus Haislips and Nick Young’s at best.
In the contract world, he overpays everyone for fear of “losing an asset”. Whether it was giving Tim Thomas $68 million to stay in Milwaukee, $20 million along with Scott Williams and a future #1 (Josh Smith) for Anthony Mason or your situations with the Arenas, etc bad contracts or trading the #5 pick away twice.
What Grunfeld excels at are two things:
a) He knows how to suck up to his owner. You guys can read into the Kohl/Polin/Grunfeld situation on a number of levels. The bottom line is that he’s obviously a good insider politician, otherwise he doesn’t last nearly as long as he has.
b) Grunfeld is more than adept at working the phones and getting deals done involving overpaid veterans. He engages in a bunch of “activity” involving veterans that you assume he might know what he’s doing. Sometimes he blows enough future assets to put together a 43-win team. But in the end, you mistake that “activity” for being a good GM.
Just my two cents. You guys won’t get significantly better until you clean house and get a new front office."
by disgrunted on Jan 24, 2012 8:12 PM EST reply actions 10 recs
In the contract world, he overpays everyone for fear of "losing an asset".
most of this rant is fine, but we should point out hughes and jeffries. he didn’t overpay to retain those assets.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
So who's worse then, Unseld or Grunfeld?
Just my two cents. You guys won’t get significantly better until you clean house and get a new front office."
You guys have more experience following pro basketball, so...
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How many teams would trade their entire roster for Washington’s entire roster.
How long has Ernie been here?
I get the feeling that finally letting Ernie walk will pay much larger dividends than this, but I could be wrong. If I am not wrong, then Ted needs to not waste everyone’s time waiting.
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
Wow...
that answer from disgrunted was so fast, that it actually fell in directly above my question.
That is pretty fast service.
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"I'm not present I'm a drug that makes you dream I'm an aerostar I'm a cutlass supreme In the wrong lane Trying to turn against the flow I'm the ocean I'm the giant undertow I'm the ocean..." - N. Young
by HSLex on Jan 24, 2012 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Grunfeld's winning percentage since joining the Wizards
39.5% (266 wins out of 673 games)
That’s the best measurement of a GM
Ernie also crafted the team that finally got us to a playoffs...
Wes didn’t do that, neither did MJ. Both didn’t set the bar really high, but I think people forget that this team was in first place in the East at the All-Star break before Gil got injured. It may be time fora change for EG, just because but I certainly think he has done a lot well for a team that has experienced nothing but failure over the last three decades.
Wasn't like
We were running away with conference at the time and I believe the Cavs were making their run toward the all-star break because I remember not specifically but, they had a winning streak or had won a lot of games over the course in like the last 20 games leading up to the all-star break. Besides with a healthy Arenas we were not going anywhere, that team played no defense.
In the relatively weak Eastern conference,
we could have had multiple Eastern Conference Finals appearances with an outside chance at an NBA Finals appearance. That was a good team in a mediocre conference and they were only getting better playing together.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 24, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
You have your opinion and
I have mine, Because if we were that good we would have had a better seeding we were a middle of the pack team that always looked up to the top seeds. That’s how I see it, or otherwise we would have not been shutout by Lebron everytime the playoffs came around.
Trust me
I had hop and this coming from a guy that got cussed out by his uncle for saying we were going to the playoffs when we signed arenas to his first contract.
'04/'05 we won a 1st round series against the Bulls and advanced to the 2nd round
‘05/’06 we lost 4-2 to the Cavs in one of the closest series of all-time in terms of point differential. I believe we lost the 4 games by an average of 2.5ppg. Not to mention the questionable calls in multiple games that swayed the series in their favor.
‘06/’07 Gil got injured, Caron got injured. Jamison was left on his own and we lost in the 1st round
‘07/’08 Gil still injured. Lost 1st round.
Point being, everything I’m talking about it hypothetical because Gil got injured. We never lived up to our potential because of our injuries. In my opinion, we would have at least won another series in ‘06/’07 if the injuries never happened. Gil was having an MVP caliber season and the team was finally coming together. We were in the middle of the playoff pack up until then because we were still hitting our stride.
We probably wouldn’t have won a championship, but we would have had a lot of success if it were not for injuries. Ernie actually did a pretty good job putting that team together. Unfortunate luck tore the team apart. Not gungate. The injuries did us in.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 25, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
I still say otherwise
We played no defense, yea we made it to the second round but you forgot to put Shaq did not even play in that series and we were never close in that series.05/06 yea I haved to admit it was a great series, but our leader decided to choke at the line you forgot to put that also.06/07 like I said we didn’t even establish a significant lead in the east when all-star break came and Lebron and the Cavs were making their move, I honestly still never seen us doing anything major with this core.
Gil never committed to defense and everybody that came to face Washington knew it was going to be a scorers game, everyone knew if we shut them down they have no chance at winning that’s why when the playoffs came we always lost, because we had no defense. We were considered the east coast Phoenix Suns, always entertaining to watch but as far as contending for a chip what this is all about in the first place, that core never had a chance.
I will agree injuries did us in, but that was on EG in the first place which ultimately is the reason we are here today. I mean injuries, plus bad management did us in the only thing EG was smart about was realizing that Boston just inherited a better Big Three KG,Allen, and Pierce, Orlando added pieces to a seasoned Howard, Atlanta had gotten better and younger with their core, and Lebron was still better than our core put together and it was time because we had a aging injury prone core that never got over the hump which was Lebron and the 1st round. Yea we did it 04/05 but no one besides Wizards fans really remember that year in the playoffs anymore the only thing that core was remember for was they could not get past Lebron.
by p.robb87 on Jan 25, 2012 4:10 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
at the team's best, our avg margin of victory was like 1.2pts or something absurd
basically keep it close and let Gil win it. Made for some thrilling, fun times…probably not a sustainable model tho
I don't think most teams would trade their bench for our starters.
Take Wall out of it, and I don’t think any team would trade their bench for our starters.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 24, 2012 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe...MAYBE Phoenix,
The University of
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 24, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Perfectly summed up...
Saunders took the fall for Ernie Grunfeld’s roster.
Hire a real basketball smart GM please, someone who knows players. Fire EG and VP of Player Personnel, they are HORRIBLE. Worse management combo. then Snyder/Cerrato…
See if Phil Jackson will do it instead of coaching again next year…anyone who actually knows players and how they fit/work as a team. I would love to see a team in DC instead of…this.
Putting Howard and Jackson together in DC is my plan
screw this rebuild. The rebuild of the rebuild is already beginning. First we fire the coach, then we fire the GM and then we start all over.
by hambonejackson on Jan 24, 2012 8:49 PM EST up reply actions
Saunders was fired because he sucked the last 2 years
by jmpalomo on Jan 25, 2012 4:52 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
As long as it took
To fire Flip, I don’t feel like Ted is gonna make a move on Ernie anytime soon. Of course, I hope I’m wrong. I’d love to see a new guy brought in before the trade deadline.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
On NBATV
C Webb suggest we bring Cassell off the bench and let him coach. Saying he talks to the players more demeaning.
I think this is something to think about for the near future becuase he will definitely hold guys accountable and these young players will respect him being as he is a former, and successful, player. I have no idea how they are currently responding to him though.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Jan 24, 2012 9:04 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Man I've been saying that since New Year's Eve
I wrote this EXACT thing here: http://bit.ly/ywsaUl Why not give him a shot?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 24, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
Blatche's comments were spot-on
Whether the team will now improve: "It’s hard to say. I mean, Randy Wittman was an assistant coach. He’s the same coach as with Flip. I’m quite sure Randy Wittman wouldn’t come in the locker room and allow certain things to happen that Flip wouldn’t. I feel that now players are gonna have to step up more than ever, because they no longer can say the problem is the coaching. You can’t say that now, because if we come out and we’re still playing the same way, then maybe it’s the players."
Yeah, it’s definitely the players, Blatche included. McGee’s friendzy bit was immature beyond words. I’d say trade him, but that would be like a reward.
by satchmore on Jan 24, 2012 9:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
About Davis
“Have we ever seen Anthony Davis block a shot, and then get in a guys grill and tell them about it? No, he just plays on….” The more and more I watch the kid the more i’m impressed. I haven’t seen him complain about a foul or even look in the refs direction. Nor does he celebrate huge dunks, kid just plays.
No doubt in my mind he’s the #1 overall pick.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
yeah that was an impressive comment
He’s def #1, and MKG’s usage rate must be off the charts, but w/o him they’d be so screwed
by KurisuDevil on Jan 24, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Davis is definitely a great athlete...
Can really run and jump…. and has a high motor…. Mobile and fluid…
Good character kid… high basketball IQ…
Lots of good intangibles (good work ethic. coach-able. terrific attitude. competitive. plays hard)
My only reservation is that he is a lot like Ernie Grunfeld’s normal draft picks…. Freak athlete… Lanky and extremely long. Not particularly strong. He can dribble a bit (formerly being a guard) but he has few other actual basketball skills. He doesn’t have any post game to speak of.. His footwork in the post is a work in progress to be kind. His jump shot is spotty at best. He has NO go to move. He scores mostly on being active around the basket, offensive rebounds, and dunks…. (Vesely 2.0?)…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Perfect for a Randy Wittman up tempo offense
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 25, 2012 12:29 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Anthony Davis is different from anyone we have
Before watching I thought he was JaVale McGee rebooted but by watching you just see a difference. Its not a coach-able thing, its instincts and that ALWAYS translates at the next level. If there is any problem in his game, it is coach-able and that’s why he has maybe the safest upside I have seen recently.
I’m not saying rush to draft him though because he doesn’t fit here. Davis can be the missing piece on a championship team but our team is so far from established that we’d be better off taking a Jeremy Lamb or Jared Sullinger.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I get your point
But if he has a high motor, high basketball IQ, and those intangibles you speak of why not trying him it’s not like we have our Center of the future. I take slack for not being in the McGee camp, but what he displayed against the 76ers makes my points valid and I want him to succeed Rook he plays for my team, but when I see half ass effort I get mad because he’s playing like a slouch on my team and that makes the team look bad. As well as blatche, Young too when a play is not called for him to get buckets, but if he is all those things wouldn’t that be the total opposite of what we have now.
But if he has a high motor, high basketball IQ, and those intangibles you speak of why not trying him
Because he will take too long to develop….. In 3 years, John Wall will be a restricted Free Agent… Can the Wizards REALLY AFFORD to wait for Anthony Davis? Can they really roll the dice one more time that they will be able to develop a young player (when they have shown ABSOLUTELY NO HISTORY of being able to do it)..
Draft Sullinger. He has a lot of the same great intangibles but he also has skills (post skills, jump shot, rebounding technique) AND ….. He’s ready for the NBA right now. One solid year playing in the League, getting the experience, learning the league, and he’ll be a very good player….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If we get the #1 pick
You take Davis and run. We need a game changer, not a guy that’s going to be a solid player. I would be fine taking Sullinger in the late lottery or somewhere around there,but no way I take him #1 over Davis.
And I don’t think Davis is lacking offensively. If you watched him in HS, he was basically his team’s point-center. He’s raw, but I think he can do more than he’shown.He’s basically Uk’s 5th option on offense and is being used as a garbage man.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
can you explain how Davis is different from Vesely?
so many people here talk about Jan’s incredible bball iq, he plays the game the right way, high motor, great athlete, great defender, just needs offensive skills and some bulk….how is Davis any different from that description? (i havent seen him p;ay)
Yup, sound pretty similar
(and I haven’t seem him play either).
He will be the best NBA center since Kareem
He’ll easily break Shaq’s block record.
by Janber on Jan 24, 2012 10:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
It's great being a Kentucky fan
A well coached team of great, motivated players that buy into team ball. The exact opposite of the wizards.
by Janber on Jan 24, 2012 10:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How much do they get paid?
haha
by jmpalomo on Jan 25, 2012 4:54 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Who cares, college basketball is slavery anyway
“Let’s make this a multi-billion dollar business and not pay our players.” Wow, that’s a great Idea!
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 5:50 AM EST up reply actions
Eh, I've got no problem with paying them
But we really need to stop throwing around this ‘slavery’ argument. Not only do they enter into the arrangement willingly, but how many people currently paying off their student loans would rather have been part of that system? The NCAA makes the mob look legit but slavery, it ain’t.
Willingly? Really?
It’s the institutionalized road to the NBA. I dunno, it’s not the term slavery that is my point, it’s that the NCAA has very heavily protected situation of power that allows them to not pay their meal tickets.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
in 2007, Ohio State's athletic budget was $110,000,000
THAT’S how much money basketball and mainly football generate for these schools, they can spend over $100mill.yr and still turn massive profits.
exactly and they are not paying the student-athletes anything
That’s a GREAT business model isn’t it?
O and if a student takes as much as $1 dollar he will be suspended for life!
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Hey America was built on free labor.
Its the American way… Pay the overseer, and laugh all the way to market.
Davis's shot blocking won't translate to the nba at the same rate.
Not a huge fan of the kid he has no real offesive feel for the game and is rail think he won’t be able to guard very many 4’s in the NBA he will get backed way down.
If he can board I’d be happy.
Michael Kidd Gilchrist on another hand is a great prospect he could be Pippen good very intense high character the kid plays ridiculously hard.
his current weight shouldnt be a deterrent, his body isnt matured
I think he has a good feel for offense, its not developed but he has soft touch and knows where to put it off the glass. I think he’ll be fine in NBA in guarding 4’s the guys he plays against now, they arent all NBA type players but they are considerably bigger than he is and he does fine, i think abt guys like Austin Daye, Jared Jefferies and Tayshuan Prince they hold their own. And pretty much almost all the guys who get criticized for being skinny usually do fine, on both O and D, like Durant etc.
by KurisuDevil on Jan 24, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
No real offensive feel for the game?
Definitely a false statement. Sure, just looking at numbers you would think that because he isn’t averaging 20+ but watching him play, I dont understand how anyone can say that?
-First off, in order to get the amount of offensive rebounds that he does, I’d say that’s having an offensive feel.
-Davis is also always moving without the ball and providing good spacing for his teammates. Like Kurisu said, he does have a soft touch and can even knock down the jumper.
The one knock is maybe he isn’t aggressive enough so maybe thats what you meant. I just see a player not forcing the issue. We’ll see come tourny time though how good of a player he is with the ball in his hands.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Perhaps feel was not the word jazzy1 meant....
I know when I watch Anthony Davis play – I notice that he doesn’t really wow me with his offense… He has no post moves… His go to move around the basket is a dunk. In College he is dominating because he’s tall, long (7’4" wingspan) and can jump out of the gym… but in the NBA everyone is tall, long and can jump… Davis has not shown me anything other than rudimentary footwork in the post… Very raw post game in general… His jump shot is spotty (and that’s being kind)
He seems to be pretty good on defense – especially help defense…. and is a very good College rebounder… but not because he’s blocking out, and going up strong – but because he’s tall and can jump… (again, will that translate to the NBA, where everyone is tall and can jump?)…
As I said in my previous post above – Anthony Davis has all the intangibles (great work ethic, positive attitude, high activity level, plays hard, etc…) but his basketball skill set is still very raw.
ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION – I’d say draft him #1… But the Wizards have yet to show they can develop good young raw College players into decent professionals… The other thing to consider is how much time it might take before Anthony Davis is good enough…. Will John Wall be gone by then?
Draft Sullinger….
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Any other organization is right
The toughest part about it is, these past fews years we drafted and committed to players at positions that are coincidentally the strongest positions in this draft:
Wiz picks: Trevor Booker, Kevin Seraphin, Jan Vesely, Chris Singleton
2012 draft: Thomas Robinson, Kidd-Gilcrest, Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes, Perry Jones, etc.
Puts us in a tough spot. Depends on what the organization does from this point but I wouldn’t be mad at drafting Sullinger but there are better prospects that will be available to us I think.
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Very well put Rook my sentiments exactly
He has that Brandon Wright, Anthony Randolph, Ed Davis to a lesser degree feel to me. No offensive skill or feel and when I say feel I mean ability to make a play with the ball either in the mid or low post i just don’t see it. No real footwork, ability to face up and beat a guy a hook of any sort where he can find the balance and get a bucket. He’s content to catch lobs and stick backs and the occasional forced into making an awkward shot in the post type play.
I try talking myself into thinking well maybe he is KG and NO not the same sick intensity nor the feel offensively KG had the high release touch on the jumper and lateral quickness I don’t see it with Davis.
I was all for Sulinger last season and am still in that mindset because he has a polished offensive game below the rim. A bulky type that stays in his wheelhouse with a developing mid range jumper. Tough physical player that would pair nicely with Mcgee.
I only worry about Sullingers fat body will NBA millions blow him up into a fat boy the injuries he’s gotten this season seriously concern me.
I am warming to the idea of Thomas Robinson high energy athletic active pf that I pray is at least 6’9 I fear he’s only 6’7 without shoes and destined into tweenerville. But I’d take him maybe over both as a guy that could blend into the team he’s a good scorer from in deep.
I am off of Lamb, scared of Perry Jones , Gilchrist I say yes on Drummond I pray we don’t even have to think about dude looks like a Kwame Brown but more athletic type bust please stay in school Drummond don’t get any gm’s fired.
Harrison Barnes I don’t like but might be the smart and safe choice for us simply because he can shoot hase a big body has character . His lack of handle aggressiveness, and playmaking ability trouble me.
but if we have to chooose a shooter between he and :Lamb give me Barnes.
Nice argument for Sullinger
but in watching AD of UK play, he is a do everything player. He is kind of like Horford. He does a little of everything without trying to do too much. There is really no reason for the Wiz not to draft Davis if they can. I’d put Davis with Vesely. To say Davis has no offensive game doesn’t explain him going 7-9 against a very tough, defensive minded Tennessee. Davis hit the big shot in the game. He has 3 point capability.Oh. and he isn’t 19 yet.
by hambonejackson on Jan 25, 2012 4:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well, the greatest player this team ever had...
was a vertically challenged, bulky center with unusually high basketball IQ and the heart of a lion… If Sullinger is within 10% of Wes, I would say draft him… But is he?
Sully worries me
his body transformation and commitment to being in better shape is impressive, but imo he isnt even as good as Greg Monroe and top 5 pick is too high to spend on him
that's why I'm still feelin Barnes despite his stock apparently dropping
Nick is gone, hopefully Rashard too. So where does that leave us? Dead in the water unless we get several shooters in here.
of course we just draft two SFs with 1st round picks….really going to take a another?
I dont like how ppl are tryna make Davis out to be a
Joakim Noah, Hashseem Thabeet or Serge Ibaka offensively,. The kid is gonna be able to score with ease b/c he has the hands and he can just face u up and shoot over you. And maybe most importantly he has good instincts. Once that gets respectable all he has to do pump and he’s a single stride to be at the rim. Lamarcus Aldridge-ish for a few years and when his body comes along, more inside work. I understand we have a Javale Mcgee but u just dont pass on Davis, if anything u get a fantastic trade commodity, thats your safety net in drafting him.
And all the Jan comparisons are over the top, i mean all it takes is watching one game of Davis’ to see that he is an IMPACT player and there is a good reason why he is rated #1, he has limitless talent and Jan Vesely just had a super high motor and should have been drafted where Sing was or early 2nd rd, but clearly Flip or Ernie fell in love with Jan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNU65x9ZAHg
Heres a video of Dwight Howard in HS, u look at him and a cursory glance tells u all he can do is dunk/freak athlete and very raw……i’ll let u guys infer the rest
Davis isn't lacking offensively
He’s not lacking offensively. He’s doing what he’s expected to do on his team and doing it well. They dont need him to be a 20 pt scorer, they just need him to run the floor, set screens, roll hard down the lane, make himself available and crash the glass.
If you think he’s unskilled offensively then you simply have not seen the kid play prior to kentucky. Because he was surrounded by such poor talent in HS he had to do everything for his team. He was essentially the point center.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OSxB2HZAKE
Put Ant in a role other than the C on offense and he’ll be able to put his skill on display. Cal has him screening and playing exclusively in the paint to take advantage of his ability to o-board and catch lobs, but he isn’t posting up because he cant hold his position there. In the NBA he’ll be playing more in space as a face up, elbow, mid post player, roller/popper.
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how successful are 6'11" 210 pound players in the nba?
i mean, he will take several years right? Or is he a step-in, kick ass starter from day1?
Davis has the frame to add weight
Unlike someone like Brandan Wright, who not only has skinnny limbs, but narrow shoulders. Davis has a wide set of shoulders, and has already reportedly put on 20 lbs since he enrolled at UK. I think he’ll be able to play at KG/Bosh weight in the NBA.
And I think Davis is a high floor player.
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From the 30,000 foot level
Two observations from 30,000 feet on today’s activities:
1) it took a long time for the Wiz to fire Flip; and
2) putting Whittman in as coach means that EG still has a lot of control.
My conclusion is that Leonsis is patient to a fault. That is not good news in the current situation.
Excessive patience was Flip's problem, too.
Flip really lets players play through their mistakes. It took Nick a year and a half to work through his tendency to overdribble. Flip let him play through and eventually, his patience was rewarded.
Unfortunately, that same patience has not resulted in any improvement from Blatche or JaVale.
At a certain point, if a player’s decision making isn’t improving, Flip needed to bring the hammer down, but he never did. He only ever benched players for doing something egregiously wrong, like JaVale dribbling full court, ignoring a screaming John Wall. Flip never benched Blatche for launching low percentage 20 footers all day, because sometimes shooting a long two really is a good choice. Flip never developed a way to punish Blatche for taking too many of them, because it was never a 100% obviously bad decision. He kept explaining and hoping, but Dray never changed.
Flip’s idea of punishment was simply to show his disappointment, when what he needed to do was fly into a rage and apply serious, unforgettable penalties. Sad Flip face, instead of a chewing out, fine, and loss of playing time.
It’s possible that Randy Wittman’s temper is exactly what this team needs.
Unfortunately, that same patience has not resulted in any improvement from Blatche or JaVale.
There’s where I think you are wrong.. At least in the case of JaVale McGee… I thought we were beginning to see a subtle change in McGee’s game late last year… He started rebounding better, especially on the defensive end… He was still a pogo stick on pump fakes, but not nearly as bad as previously. He was starting to play pretty good help defense…
Then this year, his rebounding numbers have been very good… His per 48 minute numbers are right there with Tyson Chandler, Blake Griffin and Joakim Noah… Not in the top 10, but certainly decent (as opposed to previous years, when he was just terrible)… This year, he’s come back with that hook shot… and even seen him pass the ball back out and re-post on occasion. Things we’ve never seen him do before…
So while perhaps a case could be made that Flip didn’t influence ALL of JaVale’s improvement – that improvement DID HAPPEN under Flip’s watch….
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by Rook6980 on Jan 25, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
on the other hand, he developed this summer without seeing Flip at all
and it’s pretty clear they didnt get along…so maybe all his development (and lack thereof) is about the work he puts in (and doesnt) rather than Flip or Banks etc
You're right about JaVale
I was mostly thinking about Blatche when I wrote that.
JaVale has shown definite improvement with his decision making on D. His offensive skills have also clearly improved. However, those new skills bring the need for new decisions, and unfortunately he hasn’t shown much improvement in making those new decisions. He struggles to balance the trade offs between his new post game and his teammates’ need for space inside.
i think the notion we have selfish players is way overblown
because to your point, everyone is figuring out what they should be doing. Flip himself said the team has no pecking order….all these guys are unsure of when they are supposed to pass, who they should be passing to, and when they should look to score. That’s not so much selfish as it is completely raw as a unit.
Agree with this
But at a certain point, it doesn’t matter why it happens, something needs to be done to make sure it stops happening.
Flip was a nice, supportive teacher, who tried really hard. He never really lost his temper (but sometimes couldn’t keep his disappointment to himself). That worked with Nick, but it wasn’t working at all with Blatche and wasn’t working well with JaVale.
In Minnesota, he had KG to chew someone out for making dumb decisions. KG was the bad cop, Flip the good cop. In DC, without the bad cop (who was also an unimpeachable respected leader and peer), Flip’s good cop routine just didn’t produce with our stubborn and/or stupid players.
Sad thing is, in my opinion, Flip could be the perfect coach for this team in under a year. JaVale has started to experiment with his offensive positioning, which has been helping the rest of the team at the expense of JaVale’s own stats. The booing is getting through to Blatche. It’s pathetic that the fans have had to play the bad cop role, but whatever works. Best of all, Wall has been showing promising signs of leadership. With JaVale and Blatche reined in and Wall stepping into the KG leadership role, this team might soon be fertile ground for Flip’s brand of coaching. Too late, though.
kelly dwyer everyone!
nothing to see here move along… continue to blame player development…
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 25, 2012 12:56 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
i might have to make this my parting shot to the site until we get some new players
there’s nothing more to be said, really.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 25, 2012 11:59 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Seeing lots of love for Sullinger
If it helps, I drafted him on NBA 2k12 as the OKC Thunder. Rookie season he averaged 20 and 12. Seems achievable in Washington.
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If we wanna build like OKC
We need to re-rebuild. This crappy draft class has set us back.Vesely aint no Harden or Ibaka.You guys think Kahn would give us a lottery pick for Mcgee and Vesely so we can get Drummond and a top SF like barnes or gilchrist and build from there?
by AppleDrank on Jan 25, 2012 8:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions
yeah but Ibaka was the 26th pick
mmmm Lets see here:
I think Singleton is our Ibaka if Chris can become a starter.
Booker might be our Collison
Seraphin is our Cole Aldrich (what happened to him anyway?!)
H is our DJ White
Mack is our Maynor
I guess Crawford is supposed to be Harden
Wall is supposed to be KD
Vesely is Green (?)
And we still miss our Westbrook.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
So, is it odd that Flip appears to be the SOLE PERSON who left?
the entire staff right down to his son stays EXACTLY the same? Is that pretty typical or is it a bit different?
To mean this means it comes down to Substitution Patterns and Play Calling
Flip was horrible at this part. He had his favorites and stuck with them.
yeah, to me it says that Ted and Ernie think that Flip
made a mess out of a otherwise GREAT situation (like I said yesterday)
Really worrisome
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 25, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
Probably more change will come at the end of the season.
I hope Grunfeld won’t be back, a new GM will pick a new HC, and that coach will pick his assistants.
This will be a placeholder year, for sure.
I think Saunders being fired really is a case of Ernie needing to blame somebody, and Ted going along with that decision because he hopes one firing will placate fans without his needing to dish out more money.
Press Conference
anyone wish that someone would all of sudden yell " FIRE GRUNFELD!!! " when the bastard is giving the press conference. he would be done for.

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