Wizards Vs. 76ers Recap: Washington Gets Blown Out ... Again
by Mike Prada on Jan 23, 2012 9:16 PM EST
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PrintThere's really nothing to say right now about the Washington Wizards' 103-83 loss to the Philadelphia 76ers that hasn't been said here. Or here. Or here and here. Or here. Or here. Or here, even. And that's the problem, because this keeps happening. The Wizards have now played 19 games if you count preseason, and have looked like a team that doesn't belong on the court with a junior varsity team seven times. SEVEN TIMES.
I don't want to hear about how anyone is above this. I don't want to hear about rebuilding and process. I don't want to hear anything about "upside" or "assets." I don't want to hear about how John Wall is a tragic hero. I don't want to hear about poor Flip Saunders having to coach players who won't listen. I don't want to hear howls about JaVale McGee needing post touches. I don't want to hear Andray Blatche saying he wants to die for this. I don't want to hear Nick Young saying he wants to prove the haters wrong. I don't want to hear any excuses for anyone, really. Everything we just witnessed was unacceptable.
Seven times in 19 games. When that happens, it can't be downplayed.
Some more notes below the jump, which I cut off after the first half.
- Hate to repeat myself, but that long three that Nick Young took two minutes into the game was just pointless.
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Rashard Lewis gets guarded by a shooting guard because teams want him to post up. I'm really not sure what starting him does.
- Poor job by all involved staying with Jodie Meeks. Meeks beat Young off a screen once, beat the big man on a back-screen on a zone once and had an easy shot in transition once. You allow the first one and you run the risk of the second two happening.
- The Wizards' propensity to go for offensive rebounds really hurts them against a team like the 76ers, who push the ball so well in transition. Shots also went up from inefficient spots on the floor, which means the guys responsible for retreating aren't in position to do so. You can't do all of these things against a team that can change ends as well as the 76ers.
- Looks like we may have jinxed Wall. He was lazy on one turnover, overaggressive on one forced shot and too eager to make a play on the failed bounce pass to Lewis in transition. His teammates were bad too but that doesn't excuse poor decision-making.
- The 76ers push you hard. They're relentless, they're athletic and they never stop coming at you. When that happens, you have to push back. The Wizards took the first shot and recoiled, one fadeaway and one weak cut at a time. I'm talking to you, Andray Blatche. I'm also talking to everyone.
- Phil Chenier is dead on about Blatche wasting his dribble. The best players use a live dribble as a weapon. Blatche gives that up, just because. It's always easier to get by someone with a live dribble than by dribbling.
- I know it's Lavoy Allen, JaVale, but there's no reason for you to recover so slowly on pick and pop action. It's not like there's someone seriously threatening to get to the basket.
- Nice help defense by Jan Vesely at the seven-minute mark to force the turnover. There's something positive to say.
- You appreciate Jordan Crawford for trying to fight back against the tough 76ers pressure, but when you take bad shots or miss shots you should make, all you're doing is triggering their transition game.
- Where are Trevor Booker and Chris Singleton?
- When I used to play basketball sort of competitively as a kid (read: young kid), my coach would always talk about how the defense needs to act instead of react. It was his way of saying that if you can force the offensive player to do what you wanted, you'd give yourself a way better chance to succeed. The Wizards' defense did an incredible amount of reacting in that second quarter.
- That's exactly why the 76ers hit shots that seemed tough and the Wizards missed theirs. Their offense got into a rhythm from getting the shots they wanted. The Wizards' offense didn't and instead shot from an uncomfortable position with all their attempts. It's no surprise they all missed.
- Seriously, where are Trevor Booker and Chris Singleton?
- And ... yeah, that's all I got. The Wizards don't deserve these bullets.
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Maybe a few days will change my opinion
But I have just shifted into the DON’T pay JaVale big money camp.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Jan 23, 2012 9:19 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
thank you for summing up how we all feel
I can’t wait to see a starting five with nothing but heart and hustle…enough is enough.
Great job Mike
Didn't watch the game...
but I already knew we were going to lose when I saw that Flip had Lewis and Blatche in the starting lineup. SMH. Why is Flip still here?
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
I agree
Don’t understand why he did that even though this team didn’t even play competitively til he gave starter minutes to Singleton and Booker.
STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE
by everybodylookin on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST up reply actions
McGee's is nowhere near as awful as the other two
Didn’t watch the game tonight, but usually Blatche is getting the undeserved minutes that McGee should be getting. At least McGee plays with good effort most of the time, and has shown that he wants to improve. Blatche and Lewis look like they don’t want to play basketball anymore.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Didn't tonight
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by CJHutch on Jan 23, 2012 9:33 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The three starting together are a bad combination.
And I don’t think McGee hasn’t played well since the dunk.
Going by the stats
It looks like he did play terrible tonight. But Blatche and Lewis have been terrible all year round, and are still starting.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Blatche’s “good health” comic book…was a lie…
by Tbonebullets on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
my name says it all
But Flip bought time with that okc win.
Vinny & Zorn....Boudreau....Riggleman....Addition By Subtraction.
by FireFLIP on Jan 24, 2012 5:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Unfortunately
Vinny & Zorn....Boudreau....Riggleman....Addition By Subtraction.
by FireFLIP on Jan 24, 2012 5:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn...
I have been around for a while and gone through some hard times even rooting for my Wizards during the Mitch Richmond, Otis Thorpe, Chris Whitney days, but this team is seriously challenged…..
I am not hating on anyone, but seems that our talents are not being used and if things are not working……….why not put in our rookies and younger bench players to give them a shot…..
Completely perplexing….
by Aquamaneastfish on Jan 23, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions
dont forget about the great Tracy Murray and Chalbert Chaney
legends, my friend
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
Rex Chapman!
Michael Adams, Tom Guggliotta! Oh the Bullets of my youth make me cringe when you think about how dreadful they all were.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 23, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
Well those were the Bullets of my early middle age...
and while they were a middling bunch at best, nothing they ever did made me as upset as what I am seeing from this bunch.
So I am back to it. If you cannot fire the players, then dammit find a coach who can get some consistent effort and growth out of them.
Bullet Nation in Exile replied to a comment of mine about negative milestones the other day. His number one negative milestone was wasting PT on Rashard Lewis. Et voila, Flip steps up and starts Shard right on cue.
Ted,Ted… pull the trigger for chrissake, this is simply wretched.
My fav was Hot Plate Williams
That guy could play some beautiful basketball. Unfortunately he ate himself out of the league, not unlike Ledell Eackles, who also had more than his share of the jumbalaya.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 24, 2012 4:27 AM EST up reply actions
Rex Chapman, Tom Gugliotta, and Michael Adams
would roll over in their graves if you compared them to this team. Those teams lost because they had zero talent. This teams loses because it does not know how to play NBA basketball.
Wow that was ugly
I think being crushed by Philly 4 times since camp opened up really hurt them confidence wise tonight. You could see they just never felt like they could win.
has Booker hurt Flip in some way?
Im not sure if this is accurate, but he didnt get in until the 3rd right? In a game like tonight’s, how does that happen?
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
by pwilson319 on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is going to be the hardest recap for me
Because I have nothing to say that hasn’t been said a million times already this year. Props Crawford, Mack, Booker and Seraphin for the effort
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Jan 23, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Seriously...
How does Andray Blatche, the guy that is the most inefficient player on the team, one of the most selfish, and the laziest get the most minutes tonight? Did Booker go “Sprewell” on Flip or something?
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
He isnt the most inefficient
But i dont understand why any mixture of Vesely/Booker/Seraphin didnt cut into his minutes.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
"Ugh what am i doing playing basketball"
by KurisuDevil on Jan 23, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Its funny because it sad
I was actually shocked when he dunked the ball against the Celtics. I didn’t think he had it in him at all.
by blackdog3377 on Jan 24, 2012 2:22 AM EST up reply actions
wow this pic was 30 lbs ago
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I think I must be remembering when he was much thinner
because he looks like a fat tub of goo to me now
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
Mike Prada is ON ONE!
I couldn’t agree more. There are no excuses for this team. We’re just that bad. Straight up.
by Alpha_Snail on Jan 23, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
doc rivers saw some positive signs tonight
he liked the female talent behind the philly bench.
and he generally enjoys watching philly play. they are athletic AND they know how to play basketball.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
they will never let him go
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 23, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i would rather have that #4 pick back
What's this hell I view?
Wizards are like the winter
Ice cold from outside
-wjb1492
Wasn't it the 5th pick?
Anyway, I love seeing Rubio play!! He is quickly becoming one of my favorite players in the league. He had 12 assists (5 turnovers) and was only 2-10 from the field for 6 points but he is so fun to watch.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 4:38 AM EST up reply actions
Well said on this quote mike
And … yeah, that’s all I got. The Wizards don’t deserve these bullets.
by thewiz06 on Jan 23, 2012 9:27 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Screw this plan Ted.
Our players are getting discouraged night in and night out as we fail to get wins. I understand the rebuilding process but we are showing a great fall off of last season. Something needs to change to prove to everyone INCLUDING the players that we are not built to be a losing culture.
Shop till ya drop, Ernie. (Blatche and Crawford specifically)
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
The Capitals...
did a similarly awful rebuild (hell, they traded away the league’s leading scorer mid-season). I’ll be shocked if we don’t have another ten nights just like this during this season.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 23, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
The Caps rebuild had some things we don't have.
1. Dedicated farm team with players regularly called up to the Caps
2. the head coach change was a call up for the Bears coach, Bruce Boudreau.
3. Both teams had the same system while Bruce coached the team and it made AHL to NHL call ups much smoother.
The NBA’s great teams don’t just have great starters. They also have great benches and in the minors, some bench players can get starting minues.
It also was under the direction of a superior...
GM and that means alot.
They have pieces in place here that can be part of a competitive team, but they’re going to need to see Javale continue to grow and hit on Ves and whomever we end up picking in the lottery this year. Filling in the bench/rotation with veterans via FA and trades takes care of the rest.
I’m not convinced teams need to have a “system”, and the system preached by Bruce in Hershey didn’t compute with the talent he possessed in Washington.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
flip tricks himself into thinking that starting lineup is a real lineup
it’s not. it’s just as limited as any other lineup we have. at least with other lineups he rides the one or two things they can do. this lineup is supposed to open up the playbook, but in reality they can’t ball together.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 23, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yes Yes Yes
I know that the line up he rolled out has the most offensive talent but they are terrible at everything else. I wanted to give him a pass then he rolled out that garbage second half line up and I almost lost it. It’s official Flip is the wrong coach for this team.
it is a totally unbalanced line up
with undefined roles and low energy….
there was a reason he switched I hope…unless it was just to appease fans, which would be even more ridiculous…
I am chalking this up to just being tired and a poor line up decision…
But if it was to appease fans
which ones implored him to bring that lineup back?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
Gotcha
Sadly, I think that’s entirely possible…
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't understand
Why Flip does not go with the three guard line up Wall, Crawford, and Young with Booker at the Four and Mcgee. I think that balances things out on offense and defense to start the game.
My 'favorite' part abt tonight
was the Wiz bench cracking jokes and smiling during this ass-whooping
Everything is a joke with us right now.
If I were on the bench, it’d be the only thing I could do other than get thrown out for yelling at my own coach.
couldnt nobody talk to me if my team was getting beat on like this
and i’d have the most pissed off look on my face that would let everybody know it. and more than anything no fruit tray would be safe
Well said
All of it.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
The SU-Cincy game was good.
I was getting real pissed every time my dad flipped the TV to the Wizards game. So I flipped to the Tennessee Lady Vols beat down by Notre Dame and my dad got pissed since he went to Tennessee for his grad school. Lots of back and forth.
At what point
Did you forget which one was the girls team?
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by CJHutch on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i have no clue...
but it was clear that the team in red uniforms was at best a girls high school JV team today.
The Wizards have as much value as Greek or Portugese bonds!!! Where can I buy?
by Tbonebullets on Jan 23, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
Why
Is it somehow less embarrassing to get blown out by Charlotte?
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assuming we will not get blown out by the 3-14 Bobcats
I know that’s a lot to ask for….. I even think Augustine is hurt.
Boris Diaw is bad this year but
He carves us up with Gerald Henderson while Augustin’s back-up drops bombs on us from deep.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Diaw and Blatche going up against each other
LOL that’s a lot of extra poundage…. I really don’t think we’ll lose to those guys. And I never predict a Wizards win..
However you guys take out your frustrations I suggest you do that
Im going to go play ball at the rec and record my play. That I’ll email to Ted and ask him should this be anything like what your professional team is doing? Then wait…
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Flip
Starting with the excuses already. You think we’re tired? So you start our oldest guy, and our fattest guy?
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The Sixers have the Wizards number . . .
The big critical overlooked factor is that for home games, there is a free Big Mac offer if the 76ers score 100+ points. The importance of these kind of incentives really can’t be understated.
Maybe if Leonsis offered a free dinner at Mortons for all ticketholders if the Wiz won by 10 points or more, we would have some pretty crazy home games. And the likelihood that he’d ever need to redeem the offer would be minimal (once this year).
And no, I’m not really that serious — except for the fact that the Sixers more than any team, have the Wizards number this year. If any of our opponents wanted to go to the trouble of putting the Wizards away in less than 10 minutes, all they would need to do is study the game films from the Wizards-Sixers match-ups from the pre-season and regular season games.
by Vegas010 on Jan 23, 2012 9:39 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
also this team matches up very well against us too at every position and role.
by thewiz06 on Jan 23, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Apparently
Their THIRD string matches up against our starters. They were missing two big men, one being their starting center, and McGee plays like ass.
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by CJHutch on Jan 23, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Haha
Nick Young’s earrings look like buttons on my aunt’s coat.
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by CJHutch on Jan 23, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Sorry
I hope it wasn’t alcoholic.
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haha na, it was jus kool-aid
f!ck that was funny tho. He rocks the most obnoxious damn earrings you’ll ever see outside of KG
Maybe they were just tired...5 games at home
and then on the road in a back to back…
Lets hope that was the reason for this lackluster effort…
That being said, why Flip chose this game to go back to that lineup is beyond me…
by DavidDunn on Jan 23, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Now you sound like Flip
No need for excuses. It’s not like this game was an anomaly.
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Exactly
Like I said, if Flip thought we were tired, why start Lewis and Blatche, and limit the young guys’ minutes?
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because he didn't consider that? I wrote 5 min in
that the lineup was a bad decision after a back to back…but that doesn’t mean that a lack of conditioning wasn’t a potential root cause…
I assume they have more pride than to simply phone one in…so I am looking for reasons because the root cause needs to be addressed…at least that is how I would think if I were the coach
You're assuming
The coach actually wants to see improvement. I’m seriously not sure he does. That’s not shtick, or me being extreme. I really don’t think he gives a crap. How else do you justify giving Blatche more minutes than anyone?
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they shouldn't...but the total lack of energy and effort
has to be due to something…and lack of conditioning is on leadership and the players…
maybe it was a subconscious revolt against the lineup…but either way it was pitiful…
Well, when it's "Your Captain"
That’s lacking conditioning…..
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This tells me
They should pay me at least 20 bucks to go to the game.
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VIP box seats at the STH rate are at 137 a game
typically these guys have still been able to make bank even with bad seasons only because of the all inclusive food and beverages (esp. beer on tap). Now some of them and even other VIP holders are selling these tickets well below the price they paid for…
Doesn’t apply to the Heat, Lakers, Clips, etc. but this is bad…
we can agree to disagree on that, but the bottom line financially is important either way
and he will be unhappy when at least some VIP STH’s threaten to throw their dollars elsewhere on a non-Monumental Sports entity.
To be honest, I was kind of waiting for a post like this.
A bunch of us posters have said similar things in FanPosts and comments, but hearing it from a legit writer gives it a little more gravitas.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 23, 2012 9:50 PM EST reply actions
We suck and the future of this roster looks bleak
Wall is our franchise player and will be very good to great
Mack is his backup and could become a very sollid point
Young is gone after the season, sadly
Crawford is annoying, I don’t like this kid
Mason is useless and gone after the season
Lewis
Evans is, er… is Evans still alive?
Singleton is a up and down rookie, will be a 3 and D guy, could become very good one day
Blatche is 50yrs old
Booker is a defensive energy guy off the bench will be servicable to good
Seraphin is flatout unimpressive for a 17th pick we traded up for
Turiaf is a good dude and funny gig material but will be gone
NDiaye can’t get on the floor, I think he will be gone too
McGee is a frustrating athletic freak that could become a $11M dud or an underpaid top 3 center. Changes are he leaves too.
So…….. after 2.5 yrs of rebuilding we have……Wall.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
but we knew that Wall was the only guy we'd have all along.....
by thewiz06 on Jan 23, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's why the OKC is so frustrating
I’m fine with rebuilding through the draft but if you do, do it good for crying out loud!!!
I can somewhat understand Ernie thought at the time he had 2 future all stars in Wall and Blatche with some addiitonal young assets. But even then, how can you settle for Seraphin and Booker in that draft?!! Nothing against those guys but they aren’t core pieces and normally, you don’t find that many core pieces outside of the lottery.
Same for last yr, over half of the projected lottery picks returns to school, bumber but you can’t control that. What you can control is being agressive to make sure you still get that core piece you need. Especially with Blatche flopping as a key piece.
What part of collecting core pieces isn’t clear to Ernie, I ask you?
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 23, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Never liked the whole follow OKC thing...
Wall’s good but Kevin Durant??? and even if you want to make the claim that he will be the KD equivalent for us… then you need to find a Westbrook type talent and Harden…
I don't understand are you saying he should have drafted someone else
or no one? Booker and Seraphin were both outside the lottery finding a key piece there doesn’t usually happen. They are definitely still assets and can be used to build the team or be traded for that key piece.
Honestly I understand the team that EG is building but the problem is he’s got the wrong coach. That’s that part I dont understand how do you build a team knowing that the HC you have has absolutely no hope of succeeding with them.
by ccrun1800 on Jan 23, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
what I am saying is that he should have traded up
I wanted that in 2010 and I wanted that in 2011 (especially since we didn’t do it in 2010).
Sure Booker and Seraphin are assets, but they are not core pieces. I think Vesely, Singleton and Mack also belong in the category ‘assets’. Maybe one of those 5 is going to be a core piece but changes are non of them will.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
Basically
This team is VERY thin on talent and what ever upside they have isn’t going to blossem in a dysfunctional organization.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
same franchise.
the Sonics had to rebuild anyway given that Ray and Rashard were going nowhere together. Unfortunately, the ownership used that to their advantage and tried to make the 07-08 season as lame duck as possible to get the team to successfully move out of Emerald city. The OKC rebuild in some ways is still happening considering that they did trade Green away and they will have to make a decision on Harden and Ibaka.
Uh yeah...
they did. When they were in Seattle. And it started with trading pieces away.
by TerroristFistJab on Jan 23, 2012 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
Ray Allen for....
Was it Jeff Greene? We don’t have anything close to bbJesus, but perhaps we can get the rebuild started a la OKC by trading for Jeff Greene
NDaiye's in the D league now...
and is playing decently in limited minutes
That was "the plan"
The whole roster is short-term if we choose it to be that way…could imagine as many as 5 and as few as 3 players on the current roster will be here in two years
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
I dont think Seraphin is flatout unimpressive
He’s looked good in spots plus he’s never been given full evaluation.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Two good games in a row
Maybe he’s getting into shape.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 24, 2012 5:26 AM EST up reply actions
I think he does
He hasn’t shown much in the NBA last year or this yr. With a low standard you could say that he looked better than before in the last 2 games but then you see a kid like Levoy Allen (mid second rnd) come in and show more than Kevin has ever done.
I wasn’t happy when we drafted him and he still manageged to dissapoint me.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Before this game....
…..several basketball insiders including Flip said the Wiz were getting better. How can they know so little and continue to be so wrong?
To take a quote from our head coach
Don’t ever think it can’t get any worse, because it can.
And it has.
Even the Caps lost Ovie for three straight games because of a brutal hit….
I think the Wizards are all hanging out in the village
because they are nowhere near the Palace of Good Play
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They made 16 FGs...for the ENTIRE GAME!!!!!!
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 23, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Look what Glen Davis did
Then look what Bass did. What the hell is up with Orlando and trades?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
That was........unpleasant.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 23, 2012 10:10 PM EST reply actions
Guess it's too early to ask exactly what date the draft lottery is..
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checked on the score at the end of the first
and what i saw made it soooo much easier to pay attention in class
That's right, Mike
Get pissed. I propose the site goes dark for one day in protest. Power to the people! Better yet, turn the site black and white and post only protest blogs. That would really light a fire under Ted.
I know they say "It's always darkest before the dawn"
But we’re way past “darkest”. Is the dawn ever coming?
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 23, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions
I scream at my freshmen players to never waste their dribble. Keep the triple threat alive.
I think Andray should get back to high school fundamentals.
Sad.
by jmpalomo on Jan 23, 2012 10:20 PM EST via Android app reply actions
Same could be said for a few of the guys
Not to bloat, but I was soooo much more fundamentally sound than some of our players.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 23, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
Someone asked was K.Love worth the max.
39 pts and 12 rebs that ish cray!!! I dont think Blatche ever put those kind of numbers up, even at the end of the year.
Man where is that Blatche
Dude has lost any form of semblance of the player that could score 30+. Dude needs a change of scenery bad.
Man bad as ever.
I think he is too content with where he is right now, you look back during that time he looked hungry and was ready to take this team places. Instead he made a little name for himself over the last couple of months, then in the summer league he broke his foot and came to camp out of shape, EG still gave him the extension and the rest is history.
Some of Blatche's big performance in 2010
vs. NJ: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_z3hAbv7Kn0
vs. MIN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyf6RXN_HQ8
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Wow Blatche looked really good back then... like a legit GOOD basketball player
and McGee looked really small lol you can tell he has bulked up a lot… but he doesn’t look nearly as happy go lucky in the video as he does now. (talking about the NJ one), its funny how the team is almost completely different though.
The thing you saw Blatche do was, use his pump fake a LOT to get by his defenders, he was also attacking the hoop more. But even there he was more of a perimeter oriented player, i think he’s just bad this year because he’s not making shots, so people sag off of him and its harder to drive. The key to his game is hitting shots, but he also needs to be aggressive off the dribble like he did in the video. Either way he needs to be more effective, he’s not getting it done offensively, so his defensive liabilities, which have always been there, are being magnified.
Also what ever happened to Al thornton???? I actually liked his game and thought he could help the team. He was athletic and could drive and hit the open jumper he is an improvement over any SF we have now…. I didn’t watch many of his games, but can anyone shed light as to why he was let go? And Randy Foye is a good player too, he is playing very well this year, he would’ve definitely been an upgrade over crawford and maybe even NIck Young. We’ve had some good players come through we just haven’t been able to find the right mix of players.
oh and just watched the MIN one
there he did most of his damage in the post … Blatche clearly has talent but of course he’s not getting it done. I hope he gets it soon because if he plays like he can the team will be better
That's the stuff that got him the extension...
Blatche is Tim Thomas redux.
i was wondering what happened to thornton the other day
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 24, 2012 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
He is an unrestricted FA
Nobody signed him this off season.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
Remeber the Nets game like it was yesterday
Dray was torching Yi and every other Nets big man for that matter and Foye turned into Agent Zero burying the Nets with those 2 clutch jumpers. That was fun. Blatche looked slimmer and had more pep in his step, he looks like he’s laboring through pain when he plays now.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Michael Beasley can put those kind of numbers up....
the reason K Love is worth the max is because he can consistently get you 24 and 14
by koop1122 on Jan 23, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
the funny thing is Dray has abused Love on a few occassions i think
but whereas Love makes it his life’s work to get better every season, Dray gains weight and relaxes every summer. So now Love is all-world and getting a max while Dray is untradeable
I am not eccusing anyone in that organization for this.
this was disgusting. there was no effort tonight . TONIGHT wasn’t a coaching issue in a sense Flip should be fired but tonight was a lack of personal pride. Nothing in life should bring you to a point of not competing if nothing more than to represent yourself in a certain manner.
At the rate this thing is going
the Wizards are going to have think hard about using their one trade asset – Javale. He doesn’t want to stick around. The team isn’t treating him like they want him around. We should keep trying for Cousins or a 1st rounder from someone like Golden State.
It looks like we are just going to let Nick walk as well.
JaVale should get a Kwame type of deal at least ideally.
Three months ago I was adamantly against sign and trade.
Now, that is what I hope for in regards to JaVale and Nick……
I havent given up on Mcgee,
he’s nowhere near a finished product and these kinds of games will happen. I like his growth. He’ll come back and have a great game and ppl will be back on his side.
by KurisuDevil on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
guys
its evident to me that Blatche and rashard have to get min for some trade value here. I’m sure they’ve reached the conclusion that this team is not making the playoffs, and right now that is the single most important thing we can do before the trade deadline.
i am positive that flip and ernie know booker and singleton are better than blatche and rashard
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Jan 23, 2012 11:18 PM EST reply actions
If a team sees the likes of booker and singleton
they would insist on throwing them in a trade for blatche or rashard. I second the conspiracy theory
Flip's excuse for tonight's performance:
“We were probably a little tired today”
Pathetic.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 23, 2012 11:30 PM EST reply actions
Can someone tell me what type of voodoo magic Nick Young has while on the court?
He looked terrible tonight…in more ways that one….
but his plus minus was -9, while the rest of the starters were -15 or more with McGee at -15 and the other 3 at or above -21? But he played more minutes than any of them. Crawford was -4 (Booker was +10 btw…smh).
What is he doing to keep his number so low? Is it just luck, or is there something else at play? It sure makes +/- look odd…
Keep in mind, I didn’t see the 4th qtr….
Could be his man-to-man defense... I didn't watch the whole game
but I did see Turner struggle trying to score against Nick. And I know our opponent’s efficiency rating is lowest at SG than any other position by a lot…. obviously not all Nick but got to give some credit where credit is due.
Nick's oppPer at SG is an absurdly low 8.7
Nick is operating on defensive levels we fail to comprehend apparently.
Some of us
Defenitally not Rook
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
i've always been on the Nick bandwagon
but it’s pretty sad he’s the only thing between us looking like an nba team and a complete debacle. If he’s cold we might as well not even suit up
I'm with you.
I love when Nick is hot and I read all this stuff about how “we did some really good things on offense”. But it was more so about Nick getting 17 points in a quarter…
but as far as that stat, Nick even has a slightly better opPer at SF than CSing
the efficacy of the stat is debatable i suppose, but it’s not reassuring we used two 1st round picks on SFs yet our best option there is a SG who will be gone after this season
where can I find that stat...I have been looking around...
but not quite sure how he is doing it….
I see the great on the ball D…but i also see the bad off the ball D…but he is doing something that the naked eye may not be seeing..
I guess the plus minus is just due to him having the offense run through him at times…I don’t know…for all of the bad shots we see…maybe Flip is seeing that stats and asking him and Jordan to fire it up…
who knows…
i think he got benched early last night
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 24, 2012 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
yes...but he still wound up with more minutes..
he didn’t start the second half though…which explains the differing stats between him and the starters, but I still don’t get it…
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The Wiz are winning games. Go Wiz!
by hambonejackson on Jan 23, 2012 11:44 PM EST reply actions
Bizzaro World
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 23, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
You know we've entered the danger zone
When Mike writes a post like this.
I’ve been on the “Fire Flip” bandwagon for a couple of weeks now, and i’ll continue to be until he’s out of town, even if the wiz play half-decent competitive basketball.
What is the positive of keeping him as the HC? The one thing that flip and the coaching staff has contributed to this team was Nick Young’s development from a black hole into an above-average scoring guard.
I can’t find progress anywhere else. McGee’s somewhat improvement? It says a lot about our player development when McGee hires an outside source to work on his game.
I’m sorry, but after going into year 3 of the saunders era, that simply isn’t enough to warrant keeping him around.
Geting it done.
Ted has to pay him
so he’s making him work for his pay.
He’s probably waiting for Flip to break and step down and pull a Bibby (leave money on the table just to get away from this organization).
I like the Bullets
LOL... But Flip is from Minnesota...
People up there know how to endure privation, and all,
What game?
the 20ft jumpers he ‘hates’ so much
by KurisuDevil on Jan 24, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions
whats javale's trade value?
late lottery pick maybe in a sign a trade?
Ernie's bad idea
Years ago Ernie was doing a more than decent job for the Wiz. The built the best team DC’s had in a long time..
Lately thought, i guess he thought he had to go high risk to build a champion in DC, which is probably true. Howard’s not coming here.
Unfortunately, his high risk project picks have not panned-out. Project McGee, not bad but still not solid after several years. Project Seraphin is awful. Project Vesley, while the jury is still out, contributes very little for a 6th pick (has he made more than 2 mid-range jump shots all season?) Project Hamide isn’t even in the league. Project Pectrocova (i’ve already forgotten his name) is gone too.
that’s a lot of non-contributing picks. add that to the Young and Blatche knuckleheadedness, and it’s no wonder the Wiz are so bad.
why does...
vesely not go in until 2:08 in the game? explain this to me please someone
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Jan 24, 2012 1:08 AM EST reply actions
or Singleton only getting a shade over 6 minutes in a blowout
coaching staff makes it very easy to hate them sometimes.
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by StillUnknown on Jan 24, 2012 2:16 AM EST up reply actions
I was on the Fire EG leave Flip alone wagon
but its gotten to the point where its just confusing how little he is playing the guys who actually have upside. There’s absolutely no point in not giving Vesely, Singleton, Booker, Mack, and hell maybe even Seraphin some decent minutes. If the starters are so bad that they’re losing by 32 points but the young guys can’t even get PT what does that say?
by blackdog3377 on Jan 24, 2012 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
maybe Flip doesnt think they have the upside we hope they have.
or maybe he’s hoping to get fired
he went in the 1st quarter
the odd thing was only playing 11mins total
Tennis players will occasionally tank sets or even matches
Ted is tanking a whole season.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 24, 2012 4:22 AM EST reply actions
70 minutes for the shooting guards
It’s one thing to play the truly horrendous shooting guards at shooting guard. But to give them 22 minutes at SF? That is insane.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 24, 2012 4:23 AM EST reply actions
I saw and commented above
But really, after watching those videos and remembering him the past few years, what’s happened to Andray Blatche? This isn’t a disparaging or sarcastic question, I’m serious.
Mike Prada or Sean Fegan or anyone else closer to the team than the average fan, is there something we don’t know about? Or is there any non-confrontational way of asking him what’s happened since then or what the difference is?
Its crazy, we are all witnessing his struggles but it didn’t really hit me until I saw how effective and consistent he used to be. It looks like he is a 16 year veteran on the decline. Not trying to be funny again but this whole thing is just weird to me and I don’t think I’ve seen anything like it.
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unhealthy lifestyle?
if you get to host lapdance parties, it means you’re part of the scene.
I like the Bullets
you mean ask him why he's so fat?
he moved to South Beach for his normal summer weight gain routine but the lockout gave him even more time to pack on the lbs
Spacing and chemistry
Our spacing is completely different this year. Watch the Nets clip that DMVLegend linked to and look where JaVale sets up. These days he likes to set up in the low block. Back then, he used to stay 15+ feet away from the basket until someone drove or put up a shot.
Oberto stayed closer to the basket, but he knew all the nasty little old guy tricks that help free up the lane for his teammates. At around the 0:50 mark of the YouTube clip, note Oberto’s elbow to the face of a Nets defender that allowed Blatche to turn the corner and get into the lane for the dunk. Blatche and Oberto had good chemistry.
But yeah, the lack of fitness and the poor shooting are obviously big, big parts of the equation, too.
Disagree
When we’ve given Blatche room to operate, he’s been able to give us stretches of good play. That wouldn’t be the case if the problem were 90% due to lack of fitness.
he gives us the same 10mins/night of good play no matter who is on the floor I think.
then there is 5-10mins of ok play, and everything past that is him just trying to survive out there. He’s no longer quick enough to do anything we see in those “glory days” clips of him, and he also gets jammed up at the rim because he has zero lift…shameful!
Blatche's good minutes come when JaVale is on the bench
That’s usually at the end of his stints, so his best play comes when he should be at his most tired.
Wall’s best minutes also come with JaVale on the bench.
Pick one:
Option A: Great play from Wall and good play from Blatche, no JaVale
Option B: Decent play from JaVale, mediocre play from Wall, bad play from Blatche
Doesn't work that way
They don’t play well together. At all.
I'll go 80/20
the 20% being mentality…. but yeah the man thing I noticed from watching those video was how much quicker he was. He could post up and most of all face up b/c he was quicker back then and had moves that not most 6’11 guys could do. If he stayed in good shape I could see him being a 18 10 and 3 guy that could get you a couple steals and block if he wanted to…. very good player but never an all-star because of the mental aspect.
you could also argue that he is out of shape b/c of his mentality...
which would make it the biggest reason
I think Blatche thinks his shape has a mind of it's own ;-)
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 24, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
some of it is that opposing teams figure you out
once they do that, you need to make adjustments. blatche hasn’t.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 24, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah teams don't bit for that pump fake like they use to
and even if they do they can easily recover b/c he’s slowed down a lot
I just watched the NJ highlights
he looks like the same player to me…just missing more shots now…and a step slower…
What happened…Money.
But I think the he has not handled the pressure related to being the highest paid and the associated expectations. I don’t think it is due to him not caring. Kind of the basketball equivalent of the peter principle…he has got to the level of responsibility on the team where he can no longer competently manage those responsibilities.
That is why I believe he will possibly turn into a different player once he is traded and the pressure is relieved.
It has to be his confidence....
I remember reading a book excerpt in Sports Illustrated, where the player lost all of his confidence and started making errors on routine ground balls and overthrowing the 1st baseman etc, and completely lost his game, because he was overthinking or something… I think the book was fiction… but thats besides the point lol either way I think the biggest reason is his lack of confidence. Conditioning is probably an issue too, but i feel like people overemphasize that point.
I just think if Dray starts hitting his unnecessary but WIDE OPEN jump shots, he’ll be much more effective, his confidence will rise, and it’ll open up his game more because then he can utilize the pump fake more…. but then again that sequence is flawed because he probably needs confidence to start hitting his jump shots. I don’t know, but I agree with you, its really weird… I feel like Gilbert went through the same things too, from being a guy who dropped 60 on Kobe to a person averaging like 12 points it was crazy! The Wizards definitely have a curse on them.
Looks like Flip is unemployed.
Just saw a tweet from A Woj.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 24, 2012 11:36 AM EST via Android app reply actions
You don't really mean we fired Flip do you?
Because if we did, my day just got a whole lot better.
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