Links: Ty Lawson On John Wall And More Nuggets-Wizards Stuff
Today's links:
- This is FanShotted below, but Ty Lawson essentially said the Wizards need to surround John Wall with different players. [CSN Washington]
- Recaps: [Us (recap, quotes) | CSN Washington (Miller, Hanrahan, Johnson) | Washington Post | Washington Times | Washington Examiner | SB Nation D.C. | Wiz of Awes | WUSA9 | Denver Post | Denver Stiffs | SB Nation Denver | Roundball Mining Company |
- Essential resources. [HoopData advanced box | Popcorn Machine]
- Andray Blatche still hears your boos. [CSN Washington | Wizards Insider | We Love D.C.]
- Flip Saunders responds to JaVale McGee's mom's comments. [Us]
- George Karl does the same in more hilarious fashion. [SB Nation D.C.]
- Thanks for your take, Michael Wilbon. [DC Sports Bog]
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Wow
Didn’t realize how poorly we shot from 3’ to the 3 point line
by oakhillswag on Jan 21, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Wilbon's shiny head reminds me of an old saying
Can’t polish a turd.
by DCrez on Jan 21, 2012 3:56 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
what are the chances he's seen a wiz game in person this year
Close to zero probably.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 21, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
Wilbon is Edward R. Murrow, Bob Woodward and Hubie Brown rolled into one
Jason Reid is an idiot
Dude i seriously one of the worst writers to ever work as a journalist. I don’t even mean his opinions—which are usually simplistic and moronic. I mean on a sentence by sentence level, he writes like a middle schooler. I can’t believe he’s gotten his far.
by TunedMassDamper on Jan 22, 2012 1:52 AM EST up reply actions
Jason Reid is off base.
Any sportswriter who continually sucks up to Mike Shanhan and then somehow manages to assert that Blatche, Young and McGee are equal in their uselessness as Wizards or NBA players generally is at the least simplistic, and at the most a very poor analyst.
The former “Little Three” are not peas in a pod.
McGee is going to outgrow his Tiger Mom and will ultimately to prove to be a very good NBA center IMO. His talent far transcends his immaturity. The Wizards are right to wait on how the market judges him before deciding whether or not to make him a contract offer that will in all likelihood need be in the $11 million range for four years. It’s that or trading him now for DMC, who is perhaps more talented but by all accounts a whole lot of crazy.
Young, contrary to Reid’s assertion does indeed play defense and is a legit scoring wing. He is the Wizards leading scorer and its only consistent outside shooting threat. He has maintained his nice, goofy sense of humor, and someone is going to make him a very decent offer next season unless the Wiizards trade him first, either even up to Memphis for his fellow USC player Mayo or elsewhere for a mid first-round draft pick.
Blatche is different. He has been around this team for too long, far longer than either Young or McGee, and has clearly worn out his welcome with the fan base to the point that his game is genuinely suffering. He is the one guy who I believe the Wizards should trade immediately, for his own good as well as the teams. I continue to think that a Blatche for Villanueva swop with Detroit, or Blatche for Childress deal with Phoenix, or even a deal with Minnesota for Beasley would benefit both players and both teams.
Regardless of how things play out for these guys, they deserve to be looked at with more intelligence and compassion than they received from Jason Reid. That was really a terrible piece.
by khrabb on Jan 22, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Cue Richard Harris re: Nedry
I really hate that man.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 21, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
Flip singing a different Mcgee tune
Flip did less Mcgee jerking in last nights game and is happy with Mcgee’s development. LOL I got a feeling that Ernie told Flip to diffuse the whole thing,
Mcgee shoulda said what his moms said himself if Flip says aything derogatory about Mcgee’s mom he might get choked in practice not a lot of guys play that. lol
The only Quality Starters on the Wizards are Wall and McGee
There are no other starters on the roster right now.
Vesely, Singleton and Crawford are a couple years away from being quality starters.
by jmpalomo on Jan 21, 2012 4:45 PM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs
I Crawford, Vesely, Singleton, Booker and Seraphin are never going to be starters
on a winning team.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 4:23 AM EST up reply actions
that's a bold statement
I think you are wrong though. Way too early to determine. These guys are either rookies or second year players.
http://unklewheezdcsportsfan.blogspot.com
by Danyon Rome on Jan 22, 2012 8:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I see I haven't finished my comment just now.....
What I was trying to say is:
I think (or better said: chances are) that Crawford, Vesely, Singleton, Booker and Seraphin are never going to be startes on a winning team.
Singleton has a shot as a 3 and D guy but the point is, they are role players. You don’t have to come of the bench as a role player and you can still be a major part of a winning team (see Haslem, see Jason Terry) but I agree with jmpalomo that we only have 3 legit starters and a bunch of mediocre talent that might or might not develop into quality role players for a winning situation.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
3 legit starters = 2 legit starters.....(sigh)
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
if wilbon was a hall of fame basketball player
then i would actually listen to what he says but since hes not SHUT THE FUCK UP you dumb fart. You dont know anything about anything. Your worse than cowturd on sportsnation. We know we suck but you can’t say that shit right after we beat the number one team in the nba dumbass.
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 21, 2012 4:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Let's not go overboard here
He can’t be worse than Cowherd
I don't love all of his analysis
or rather quasi-analysis, but I don’t think 1) you have to be a great player to comment on the game or 2) He’s saying anything that people on this board have not said.
Lots of great sportswriter never played the game. Their opinions are just as valid. I have seen a lot of former great players serve as commentators and found it painfully bad.
People on this board have been saying the Wizards have a low basketball IQ team. Crawford, Young, Blatche, and McGee are routinely blasted on this board for not making the extract pass, playing hero ball, etc. I think the problem is less what Wilbon said, but the lack of anything novel or interesting about the Wizards for dedicated fan.
by GJennings on Jan 21, 2012 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
That's what McGee thinks
ifwilbonZierden was a hall of fame basketball player then i would actually listen to what he says but since hes not SHUT THE FUCK UP you dumb fart
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 4:25 AM EST up reply actions
Roster seeds
The roster has some sprouts but there is some weeding that has to be done.
Looks like we could have room for 7 or 8 new faces next year.
These will probably be here:
Trevor Booker
Jordan Crawford
Shelvin Mack
JaVale McGee
Chris Singleton
Jan Vesely
John Wall
Might not be pretty next year either but It’s gotta be better than this year.
Lotta work for Ernie.
Add two more rookies from the 2012 draft
This is not good imho.
We need to focus on 5 talents, including the 2012 lottery pick and surround that with quality vets.
Wall, McGee, Singleton Booker, and 2012 lottery pick are my choices and a combination of Mack, Vesely, Crawford, Seraphin, Blatche, Young, NDiaye, the non lottery picks and capspace can be used to make 1 or 2 trades for a good player and/or move up in the draft. Singleton and Booker are expendable as well if need be.
With those 4 or 5 young players and those 1 or 2 starters in a trade we can sign 2 or 3 really good vets like Hinrich and Kurt Thomas and 2 or 3 medium good vets like Evans. We can try to sign a highly coveted FA this summer but nobody want’s to come to D.C. at this point so Ernie shouldn’t focus on that plan imho. In fact, Ernie shouldn’t be executing that plan imo.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 4:41 AM EST up reply actions
I am fairly clueless myself
so I can identify with the team. Only some players are clueless and the rest are young. Next season will be Walls 3rd and I really think they have to get some players around him this off season. Some how, some way.
by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
i don't think it's shtick, the guy actually believes his own drivel
Huge ego
Cowherd is just a scumbag
Anyone watching UConn-Tennesse?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Truly...
Leonard Hamilton may not have been much of a coach for the Wizards, but he is a fine college coach and FSU have a nice team.
big upset but uconn has played pretty badly as of late
i’d like to see this series continue between these programs
Lamb & Napier played well, especially down the stretch in crunchtime
But what was most shocking was to see my hometown team play like my favorite NBA team. They really looked like how the Wiz looked on their 2-12 season. Guys just standing around playing 1 on 1 ball and some players passing up shots not even looking to score.
Its weird to see it from a different angle and Calhoun coached teams don’t generally play that way. Good win for Tennessee though.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
yup, i'll give you that
i know there was some turnover from the bruce pearl fiasco, but Coach Martin still has the talent to get to the dance, and this win confirms that. I still would love Lamb especially on the Wizards in the future, but Calhoun has a good track record keeping his guys playing though.
UT almost took down UK
so maybe beating UC is not such a surprise because UT is a pretty good team.
I just got back from the game.
Robinson was not that impressive. He did not look like a player worth a top 5 selection. He has a man’s body, but his aggressiveness that has been touted about was nonexistent. It was only one game, so I wont make a final decision. I guess I was just a little disappointed, even though I was cheering for Texas. He can score, so I’ll give him that.
Skins rule
Never watched Robinson yet
Drummond did not impress me in this game. Lamb would be a nice second player for this Wiz to pick up. Davis at UK is the player I hope the Wiz draft. He will slide right in with the Wiz.
by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
Not impress either
Drummond been looking unimpressive all year and I don’t think he is coming out this year. I like A.Davis but it going to take 3 to 4 years for him to develop physically. I like Lamb and Micheal-kidd and would rather draft them instead (position of need at the 2). Though the safest pick would be Harrison Barnes (not a fan but…). Not impress with Robinson either. It still early and things could change but it safe to say there are no dominated player coming out of 2012 draft.
Davis and Gilchrist on the Wiz
would give Wall a couple of high end players. By the time the team is built; Vesely,Singleton and Wall will be the 3 oldest players on it and the only 3 left from todays team. All the rest will traded away or let go to make room for the new players coming in. Draft after draft.
by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take Jeremy Lamb at Sg
Then go on ahead and take maybe the most underrated prospect in college ball right now in Jamychal Green with our 2nd pick. Been singing his praises since last year when I wished he entered the draft but its looked like he bounced back from injury well and will definitely be a sleeper pick.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
When is this Green feller comin' out?
by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
I think he's a Senior now
I imagine it’d be this year. Another plus because he is polished and experienced. Far from a project
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
give me this starting lineup next season!
Wall pg, young sg, Harrison barnes sf, Thomas Robinson pf, magee C. I would get season tickets!
by Objdadon on Jan 21, 2012 9:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How would this even be possible?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Gallinari outplays Melo
Love that the Melo trade “assets” are playing better ball than the Knicks.
by koop1122 on Jan 21, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree
Gallinari is ballin, but I would without a doubt take Melo over him and Mozgov. Remember, Chandler and Felton are gone.
Plus, NY problem isn’t so much Melo. Shumpert, Fields, Stoudemire also suck at defense
And Dantoni has the worse possible system for this squad
Melo is at least doing his job on offense and rebounding
Wasn't Shumpert supposed to be a great defensive player?
Was that not the reason they reached for him in the draft? I’ve only seen two Knicks games, so I don’t know how he has played, but I would be a little surprised if he plays poorly on the defensive side of the ball.
Skins rule
He'll be a good defensive player...
last I saw he was like 2nd in the league in steals and he can man up on 3 different positions… he still looks inexperienced out there at times… even Chandler looks clueless out there on D from the 3 or 4 games I’ve seen.
Don’t think Melo is doing his job on the offense of end… sure he’s averaging 25 but he’s taking over 20 shots to get there. Last night he shot a solid 10-30 and the Knicks fans were really getting on him (can’t imagine if Dray played there). He is banged up a bit though and had a “personal issue” so there is that…
I just like how Denver is playing much better basketball right now with their group of guys collectively and I think the future looks bright if they lock up Gallinari and Lawson like they did w/ the Afflalo and Nene. But I’ve always liked to root for those teams with no real stars but play together as a team.
so, we've got pretty much everyone at the washington post - both current and former writers - and even players on opposing teams saying or implying that our core players are dolts who should be moved
yet the overwhelming response here is to call these writers lazy, or idiots who know nothing about the wizards or basketball in general. based on the trajectory of the team, at some point this knee-jerk response to anything overtly negative written about the wizards (particularly about wizard players) becomes more dimwitted and predictable than anything wilbon or reid ever wrote. (and i’ll admit, that’s saying something.)
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 22, 2012 12:37 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Boo!-boo!-boo!
You criticize our players. You criticize the fanbase. You won’t criticize Baltche all the time. What kind of fan are you? Boo
by hambonejackson on Jan 22, 2012 1:36 AM EST up reply actions
My problem is the venom attached to it
and that the criticism often seems personal in nature. I’m tired of seeing the word “knucklehead” being used. That used to be a Wilbon term for guys who got in trouble with the law. At this point it’s just a lazy criticism that has no meaning and indicates that the person hasn’t actually watched the games. Like I said in a comment on an earlier thread, they’ve gone from ridiculing the Wizards for being bad, to hating them for being bad. You can hear the anger in their voices, as if Andray Blatche bullied them back in elementary school. Why does anyone expect ta winning team when you give away your top 7 players in return for nothing? And now we’re blaming the 8, 9, and 10 guys on that team instead of the GM and owner who formulated this “plan”.
by hotplate on Jan 22, 2012 8:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Plus, it’s easy for Reid to vent without taking any responsibility for his proposed actions. The team is 2-14, and they need to be concerned about being so bad that they absolutely lose John Wall mentally. So, Reid proposes that the Wizards simply dump the team’s 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best players over the side of the boat. What happens then?
Fortunately, Grunfeld and Ted don’t listen to such know-nothings. In the off-season, add a high pick and an impact free agent, and suddenly McGee, Blatche and Young are the team’s 4th, 5th and 6th best players. Maybe Vesely improves and nudges his way into that group. Maybe Crawford or Singleton do, too.
i'm not certain reid suggests dumping them right this minute for nothing
and if reid doesn’t give a crap about the wizards, as many have suggested, how could he be venting? seems he’s making a dispassionate observation.
the basis of reid’s criticism is still being rejected out-of-hand here, as it has been for years. i wonder how many non-partisan reputable observers we could find that would suggest we keep all three of those guys around, two of them as starters! there’s being a loyal fan of this team, and then there’s suggesting doing things like re-signing gilbert.
entirely dismissing mcgee is probably too bold, but reid does have a point. it’s fair to write that column. if reid is an idiot and you’re a fan of these guys, well, now it’s up to blatche, young, and mcgee to prove him wrong.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 22, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions
Darrell, don't misconstrue the article and posters' points to make your point
You say you’re not certain Reid suggests dumping them right this minute for nothing. I didn’t say Reid said they must be dumped right this minute, but Reid did say dump them for nothing before next season:
“Ultimately, it will be [Ted’s] call to finally give up on Blatche, McGee and Young — most likely for little or nothing in return…. The Wizards’ bleak situation, however, requires bold action. Beginning anew next season without three current high-profile starters who don’t get it, and probably never will, would be just that.”
Hey, I’m all for trading those three for upgrades, or bringing in new guys that bump them further down the pecking order. But what Reid is saying is that dumping these guys for nothing in return is addition by subtraction because they are infected by Gilbertitis, and I don’t see it that way. This team has such little talent to begin with.
"The team is 2-14, and they need to be concerned about being so bad that they absolutely lose John Wall mentally"
what am i misconstruing? we’re 2-14 NOW, WITH these guys. seems like the dearth of talent might already be present. in interpreting what you said, am i supposed to accept as a given that we’d be in a desperate situation NEXT year WITHOUT them? how could it get any worse?
my point is, you are utterly dismissive of reid’s logic. how could anyone straight up dismiss it at this juncture? reid is not taking anything out on these guys. it’s nothing personal. his only real failing, in the eyes of most posters on this site, is that he’s severely critical of the players on this team.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 22, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not going to go back and forth on this forever
But four points:
1. As Flip says, it can always get worse. The Wizards were something like 1-16 last season without Blatche, so while he isn’t leading them to the playoffs, the Wizards indeed can be worse without him, and without McGee and Young.
2. I can dismiss Reid’s logic because his facts are wrong (e.g., he claims Young is a terrible defender) and, yes, he makes it personal (these three are cancers who learned from Gilbert, and “who don’t get it, and probably never will”).
3. I can disagree with your argument that because the Wizards are 2-14 with these guys, they wouldn’t be any worse without them because nothing prevents that logic from being extended to everyone on the team, including John Wall. Get rid of all of them, right? They must all suck and have no future in the NBA.
4. Bottom line, my point is that if the Wizards dumped these three for nothing, where would those three end up? McGee would likely end up on a team as their starting center. Blatche, to me, has had a chance to prove that he is a starting PF, and he has failed on that count. But he has shown that he is going to have a 10+ year career in the league, most likely as a back up PF and C. Young could go either way, but I’m guessing he will end up being a 6th man type rather than a starter. Dump those three for nothing in return, and Ernie needs to go out and find a starting center, a backup PF/C, and a scorer off the bench. It can be done, of course. If Ernie feels he can amnesty Blatche and bring in a better player with that money, fine. If Ernie feels that instead of signing Young, he can use the money it would take to sign Young on someone better, fine. Same with McGee. But when rebuilding, you can’t keep cleaning house every year because you have a bad record and therefore, there must be players on the roster who are cancers.
If your point is that none of those three should be considered a building block as the Wizards rebuild, I certainly agree on Blatche and Young, but might disagree on McGee. But that’s not Reid’s point. His point is that none of those three have any use, and in fact their presence is holding back the franchise, and I just don’t see it that way.
i don't want to do that either. i'll try to wrap it up but i feel strongly about this
1 – we would be worse this year if we let them go for nothing, yes. still doesn’t really say much. it’s the same argument from the end of last year and where are we now. there is value in watching a different cast of characters struggle. less of a broken record aspect.
2 – at no point does he call young and mcgee cancers. you are injecting that. they don’t lack athletic talent so saying those three don’t get winning basketball is getting his facts right. he could have gone out of his way to say these are decent people and still made the same basketball points.
3 – this is a straw man argument that shirks individual analysis. no one will argue we should cut wall because our record is bad.
4 – won’t argue the basis of what you’re saying here
you might not agree with his argument – he goes all in with mcgee mostly to make a point – but it’s far from outrageous. not agreeing with it, as you do in your last post, is different from shitting on it.
here’s where i’m coming from: if i’m correct, what would it take for people to see that these guys are missing some fundamental wiring on their decision making, and how that negatively affects the team? we’ve had these three guys – three of them with low hoops iq – sold to us for several years now. yet there is some kind of exasperation thing when sports columnists condemn the value of these guys. if anything, folks that share my perspective are the ones who should be exasperated. “enough already” is more than a reasonable position. (that goes for this thread too i suppose)
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Not big fan of Reid's articles but.......
sadly he is 100% right, I dont know why everyone wants to hang on to these players ..dont get it, the only one I amy consider in McGee but not sold on him, he makes wow plays but gives them back with a goaltend or not playing sound defense.
by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 22, 2012 10:43 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Reid's "Analysis"
Ultimately, it will be his call to finally give up on Blatche, McGee and Young — most likely for little or nothing in return — after years of investing heavily in them.
I think it needs to be noted that the team has NOT invested heavily in any of these 3 players. McGee is still on his rookie contract, Young just completed his rookie contract and is now playing on his qualifying offer contract and Blatche’s contract is in the “middle class” range roughly equal to Drew Gooden’s contract. This after playing on a 2nd rounder’s contract for his first 3 years. If anything, the organization is putting them in roles “above” their contract level. Nick is expected to be the team’s leading scorer and a decent defender for 3.7 million. How many other leading scorers make this little? Javale is expected to be a double/double guy with 3 blocks per game yet is being told he’s not worth the same money as DeAndre Jordan or Brooke Lopez. Blatche was a second rounder straight out of high school. But don’t worry. Flip gave him a book on leadership so he should be able to handle the veteran leader role. These 3 have been thrust into roles they weren’t suited for or prepared for, have not been given any additional support in terms of veteran talent and are now being scapegoated. I think that Ernie and Flip like having Blatche here because as long as he is on the team, he gets the blame rather than them.
by hotplate on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i want to agree with some of this
but we have invested a lot of time in these guys. we’ve put up with a lot. putting them in these roles is an investment. do you see, on some level, how what you’re saying is exactly in line with what jason reid is saying?
we were probably going to be bad regardless. we’re only two years removed from gungate. but we could have been bad without trotting out these guys for yet another year.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 22, 2012 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
What I'm annoyed with...
is javales struggles with inbounding the ball successfully. Too many times does he turn it over in the back court with a single defender nearby transitioning back on defense. COURT AWARENESS!!
by Wizards Sorrow on Jan 22, 2012 11:06 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Same with his outlets
That’s correctable though
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 22, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Agree with Reid on Nick and Andray, but not McGee
McGee has special gifts just like momma said.
by jmpalomo on Jan 22, 2012 11:34 AM EST via Android app reply actions 1 recs

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