Nuggets Vs. Wizards: Second-Half Thread
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So we bench players for shooting the lights out
and we don’t extend centers who work hard to improve their game…
We are the Ultimate Motivators!
Flip was just
Looking out for the team. If Nick scores too much, he’ll command more money.
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For the most part they are all
shooting the lights out.
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not everyone was on pace
for a 60 point game, except Nick. Why sit him 8 minutes of the second quarter?
6 inch?
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we are better in every statistical category exxept FTM
And up only 2
by rgc19 on Jan 20, 2012 8:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Is it coincidence
That they came back when Nick went out? Just asking
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His minutes
Went to crawford who plays AAU ball
by laxdog on Jan 20, 2012 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm a huge Nick YOung fan...
but be fair – Crawford played well – shot 50% (2-3 from three) -
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crawford played well for a stretch
But should have been tanked after that awful 27 footed from the top of he key
by rgc19 on Jan 20, 2012 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
for ONE shot?
be fair…
Occasionally players need a heat check… Sure, talk to him after that shot… make sure he knows that’s a bad shot…. but yank him?
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to me that was worse than a heat check
And it was time to put Nick back in anyways
by rgc19 on Jan 20, 2012 8:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
To be fair....
Nick Young DOES have to sit sometimes…. and not having Nick on the court sure didn’t hurt the Offense…
The big difference was the Wizards defense looked much more suspect in the 2nd quarter…. especially Wall. Lawson did just about whatever he wanted to do in that quarter…
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The big run came
when McGee went out and Ves was put at the center though, because Denver was getting multiple attempts and the Wizards weren’t getting any second looks
I agree
Didnt have a problem subbing him out. I had a problem with how long he sat. Could’ve gotten cold. Even Buck brought it up a few times.
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I haven't watched the game
just checked the boxscore on ESPN.
Shelvin Mack has 5 assists in 4 minutes. How the hell?
I know it was
Unrealistic, but after that first quarter, I was really looking forward to a blowout. Flip has the worst substitutions in th world
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its been so long since hes coached with a lead
Cant help emptying his bench
by rgc19 on Jan 20, 2012 8:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Defense
Is a lot less effective without Singleton
Gallo was lighting him up
he hasn’t really done much tonight
8 points, 2 assists, 1 rebound (two three's) in 9 minutes
How much more did you WANT?
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I thought he was saying we were missing Singleton's defense
my comment was strictly about how he has gotten lighten up on that end, not speaking on his offense, which has been great
Sorry for the confusion lol
should’ve been more specific
I think Lawson has done a lot more damage....
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Again
If he gets benched for giving up 13 to Gallinari, then Wall should be benched for giving up 14 to Lawson.
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Did I say bench him?
Comment was we missed his defense, I said otherwise. If someone had said, we really missed Wall’s defense out there when Mack came in, would you have been mad if I said otherwise?
I'm not mad
I understand what youre saying. I think you’re right, I think Flip DID bench him cuz of Gallo scoring. My point is, Flip has awful substitution patterns.
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Better take out Wall then
Cuz Lawson was “lighting him up”
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Nick Young needs to get a dunk every first quarter....
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Only if it's
A dunk like that. That was Carter-esque
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i think i know why crawford cant be pulled
who else noticed against okc that craford did a MUCH better job on westbrook than Wall did? Ty Lawson has been having his way…….I dont think flip wants john burning all his energy trying to guard lawson
that could be....
I noticed when Nick came back in – Crawford stayed in – and they played essentially 3 guards…
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I don't think
Anybodys guarding Lawson
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Nice D by Young there - contested well.
Better shot by Afflalo
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Why is Blatche in there?
He looks one legged
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It's obviously Javale's fault
(Flip’s thinking?)
Seriously? What does Blatche provide?
The supposed “offense” he provides is non-existant. He’s skilled, but is overweight and can’t jump. And he’s terrible on defense. I don’t know why Flip gives him so much PT.
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Book had that one turnover
and sits since, while the burger man takes stupid shot after stupid shot
It's important
For Blatche and Lewis to get their minutes
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Nice
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I was just thinking that
That steal and the block were 2 great defensive plays.
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
A lot of people can't
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One of these things is not like the other
Blatche is just hanging out at half court when neveryone else is runnng
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He's gotta swing that back to Wall - when he's double teamed like that
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Thought so too at first
But he was abut to pass it to Blatche. Tough choice
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They'd be better
With 4 guys out there
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Even though I hate the way he's playing
I feel bad for Blatche, because I really don’t think he can handle this kind of treatment. I don’t think he understands why he’s getting booed either
Probably right
But that’s part of his problem. He has no clue
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bad bad shot...
but I think Nick Young might be frustrated with that long sitting in the 2nd when he was hot
booooooooooooo
this fool isnt even running up the court
by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 20, 2012 8:35 PM EST reply actions
I'd rather
Play neither
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they're booing blatche
not the team
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 20, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
he's not the whole team
maybe they’re booing Flip for playing Blatche.
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 20, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
Can that be a choice?
Actually, I’m not sure Blatche KNOWS how to be part of a team
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If there is one person who deserves it...
it’s Blatche
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
Harrington always kills us
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He would've fell
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Wow - Nick Young with a nice assist to Booker
I swear that Young and Booker play much better together than Young and Blatche….
I’ve seen many, many more good pick-and-roll plays with Young/Booker
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Haha
I think EVERYONE plays better with Booker than Blatche
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by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No - really
I bet more than 30% of Nick’s assists last year, and this year were to Booker
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doesn't count
if you can count it on your fingers and toes.
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 8:43 PM EST up reply actions
I get what you're saying
Im sure you’re right. I’m just saying I’m not sure Blatche helps ANYONE’S numbers
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And I think it's strictly because
Booker sets solid screens, and then knows where to move on the court afterwards…
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And I think it's strictly because
Blatche sets one of the worse screens in the league, and then stays outside at the perimeter for a long 2…
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 20, 2012 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Blatche sets screens?
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Awful flop
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That was a hell
Of a controlled tip by Nick
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Wasn't much else he could do with it...
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Yeah, but
I didn’t realize he actually meant to do it until I saw the replay. I thought the ball just landed in Wall’s hands
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I just hate when someone says get me in the paint and stop having me do pick and pops.
And then when I see you in a iso, I see you settle for step back jumper or fadeaway. Don’t get it.
You see McGee
Much better when you give the ball to your PG
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Let me rephrase that..
I’ve never heard anyone complain about Young and his conditioning or about how hard he works
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 20, 2012 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Last time he passes out
Of the double
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Anyone notice
Javale has passed out of the post a lot more tonight
Yes
I wanted to say something, but I was speechless
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All he can do
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Too bad you missed the first
I was about to order playoff tickets
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Oh John's jumper...
It seems like he hangs in the air way too long instead of releasing at the apex. That end of quarter shot was a prime example of it.
It's getting better
but it’s still not clean- watch his body- you can tell when he decides to launch- he stiffens and then goes into the shot instead of smoothly going into it.
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, it lacks "smoothness".
I wish we’d incorporate some of Hopla’s techniques like having a hat on that puts a hand in front of your face so he could get used to it.
I have a feeling that might be a habbit developed when he was younger
My theory is that he’s been double teamed alot through his life and so when he goes up for that shot usually there will be someone open so he can pass out to the open guy. I think John as a result might have developed a shooting form where it actually incorporates the possibility of a passout with it. I hope I made sense in that argument.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 20, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
my theory is he needs to slow down a little
the kid sprints every step
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Alright guys the game is there for us lets play smart.
Get Nick back into the game. We will need him to make shots
our lineup choices are limited
cant play ves or blatche because both have been bad tonight…..book will have to play a lot of minutes late
I'd still put in Ves a bit just for his energy and tenacity.
Blatche doesn’t bring those to the table.
wheres Keveeeeeen?!
to give some fouls
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 20, 2012 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
Ves gives you energy
And hustle. It’s ok to put him in. Blatche gives you diameter
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Wish we would've sat Wall
and brought in Mack around the 2:00 min mark.
More bad Flip rotations.
What service do you have?
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Nice
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Blatche doesn't even
REACH for the rebound
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Crawford
doing his jeckyl and hyde thing. Turned into the shot jacker all of the sudden.
Hey look
Andray got in the boxscore
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Yeah - with 7 seconds left on the shot clock
He should have??
What – passed it back out to the PG to reset?/?>?
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message to Flip
Do not play Crawford and Nick together unless wall is on the floor
or its just going to turn into street ball
Awwgghh
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nick made the right move... used the rim to shield the defender
afflalo made the right move as well… went at mcgee.
If he'd taken it strong it's a foul, but wanted the reverse
IMO
by mindstaterev on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
You go against a shot blocker
You use the rim to shield… that’s what he did….
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Pump fake
solves a whole lot of size issues
by mindstaterev on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
He missed a layup
That’s the fact. Could have done it better, and as a shooter he should be at the line whenever he can
by mindstaterev on Jan 20, 2012 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Nick did the right thing, just missed
by Mike Prada on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
As well as he's shooting free throws
I’d be begging to get to the line
by mindstaterev on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
I feel for him on those.
It simply something most players never have to consider and that kid could do it on every shot, self control is a …..
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 PM EST up reply actions
McGee needs to stop hanging his head
But having your coach treat you like this doesn’t really help the situation
having your mom treat you like this doesn't really help either...
by Alpha_Snail on Jan 20, 2012 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Your mom telling the press you are the future of big men
makes you hang your head? Not imo.
idk, i have a hard time believe javale wanted his mom fighting his battles for him...
but thats just me.
by Alpha_Snail on Jan 20, 2012 9:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Somebody needs to do a breakdown
Of how many of McGee’s goaltends were never going in
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Haha
Dennis Rodman defense
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I know JaVale has three blocks per game, but I wonder how many goaltends per game he has?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 20, 2012 9:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions
McGee needs to
Stop eating lemons
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Ridiculous
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im
Loving wall taking these charges
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
by MadDog21 on Jan 20, 2012 9:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Let's go
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Haha
NooooooYESSSSSS
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by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Uh oh
Nick got his charge. Gonna explode now
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Wall's rubbing off on Nick
Nice charge taken
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DEFENSIVE EFFORT IS CONTAGIOUS!
I am ecSTATIC
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
Does Jordan Crawford remind anyone else of Gilbert
just taken up a few notches on the no conscious side
And a few less
Onn the talent side?
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by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Lol that too
He takes all the same shots, just Gilbert made 50% more of them
Just follow it
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Yeah - that's EXACTLY what we needed with 15 seconds left on the shot clock...
a contested 3 pointer by Crawford….
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He wants us to score
100. Half off PapaJohns
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He was talking about practice
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Nick Young early - Nick Young late?
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Worthless
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God Blatche and McGee suck setting picks
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Damn Nick
Damndamndamn
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Christ
Has Harrington EVER had a bad game against us?
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I think he missed a shot once
long long long time ago
As opposed to
Future history?
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we hung in there but didn't play well
our offense just bogged down.
It's not over until the fat power forward sings
Duck Fallas!!
by believe_the_curse on Jan 20, 2012 9:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions 2 recs
Damn
That was pretty impressive by Crwford. Don’t see how he got that off
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Flip isn't quite as dumb as I thought
He hasn;t left Blatche in for the final minutes like I thought he would.
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Pitiful
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personally I'm happy
these guys have put together 2 very good games. Wall’s made great strides- especially defensively. Great energy and movement across the board. Considering it’s been a week since they were the worst ever….
Yea-
Flip harped on that early on- and he’s right, you have to
stay with them at the gate.
by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Young didn't shake hands.
Moved directly to the locker room. And here we pile all of the goofiness on him. Good for you Nick.
We did put in good effort. That’s the best you can say when you lose.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions
Well then count me a loser...
I’d much rather see this kind of game – where there is effort, and the Wizards have a chance to win it down the stretch….
Than watching the earlier games where they were sleepwalking through blowouts.
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by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Exactly. Progress is progress
gotta crawl before you can walk, gotta walk before you can run, etc. etc.
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
You go ahead and accept mediocrity...then
I’ll continue to cheer for PROGRESS, effort, development and hard fought basketball games….
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Go root for the Miami Heat or the Lakers if you want a winner
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Because this team WILL NOT WIN THIS YEAR....
At least not enough to be called a Winning team…
and they may not win enough next year either….
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Nailed it over and over again
The owner of the team sent a letter out to all the season ticketholders this year basically telling them not to expect a playoff caliber team. It’s year 2 of a rebuild.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
You really don't understand the notions of "rebuild" or "progress" do you?
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
You know what, you really might want to just sit these next few years out
Take some time off, watch the Heat or something. Read some books. Cause it’s gonna be ugly for a while before it gets pretty
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
With different leadership we might add to that.
It’s been pointed out numerous times that different ownerships and eras affect expectations and progress.
Then go to a different theater....
This is what you get if you are a Wizards fan…. You HOPE for effort… You HOPE you can win a few games….
If you cannot do that…. take up knitting… or travel the world…. do something that is not going to make you crazy…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Look at the team 2 years ago and look at the team now
2009/10 team: Arenas, Butler, Jamison, Foye, Miller, Haywood, Oberto, Ross, Singleton, Stevenson, Thornton, Mike James, Josh Howard
2011/12 team: Wall, Singleton, Booker, Vesely, Mack, Crawford — all players with less than 2 seasons of experience.
Young, McGee, Blatche the three holdovers, young players who have gotten better. But probably only one will be here next season.
So yes, I’d say it’s year 2 of a complete rebuild
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
but it's NOT three years from now....
It’s now…
And now is barely the second year into the rebuild… with ONE player known to be a core piece…. and a bunch of role players… no All-Stars… No Super Stars….
And you want to complain about not “winning”? With this talent?
Just wait…..
And if you just can’t wait – then root for a different team
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
REBUILD.
No one here accepts mediocrity. We’re trying to put faith in a process. We’re in year 2 and a shortened year at that. Progress is the most important thing.
True.
I hope they’re looking at tape and rehashing what went wrong so they can empower them to make better decisions in the future. We will never get an inside peek at what happens, but all I can hope is that coaching is happening. Which I believe it is.
Yeah – it looks like some players are growing up to me, as well as teammates relying on each other more. There were still some bonehead plays in the 4th (JaVale, Blatche), but that’s what we do. I DID like the way JaVale and Nick Young played though; why can’t they commit to this team? If they want to be here, that would be great for the future.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
Bonehead plays.
Make sure you include Wall’s 3 pointer, Crawford’s shot selection and not just McGee and Blatche. It’s like we cherry pick things to subconsciously based on previous performances and prejudices.
And Nick took at least one bad shot as well...
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
yeah, ok, several players made bonehead plays…then we lost. Still good effort. — I dont’ think Wall’s missed 3 was bonehead, though; we needed the points at the time. Dude’s gotta work on that.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
The reason why it was boneheaded...
was that Nick Young… who is an astronomically better shooter… was open right next to him.
I didn’t see it either…it was panic time.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
why can’t they commit to this team? If they want to be here, that would be great for the future.
Has the team committed to them?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don’t know for sure — but reports are we would have committed to Young for the right price; and I think it would be the same for JaVale. We would commit to them if they are being reasonable about price. Disagree?
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
COMMITMENT
So – we expect our players to feel like the team is committed to them – but only to a certain price point?
But we expect the players to be 100% committed to the team… to the organization….
At some point during the Summer – if the Wizards REALLY, REALLY wanted to commit to Nick Young, they would have been able to get a deal done… Good organizations get deals done.
At some point, the Wizards will need to get a deal done with McGee…. Will they? I’m NOT confident they will.
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Me either — you are right that commitment goes both ways. Each side has to give if they are committed. We have no idea how the negotiations went so we don’t know if there was any give either eay. But I WILL say this: Nick insisting on $9M displays no commitment to the team, or he is overestimating his talents; 10.5-11M to Javale displays no commitment to the team, or his is overestimating his talents. And, at the point that EITHER side is being unreasonable, then it is time to walk away. That’s the business side of commitment.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
A bad deal is never reasonable for anyone else.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
It's the market man
Tall atheltic bigs are getting10+ mil and when more than a couple teams are willing to throw that kind of money at you it is not unreasonable…
Not terrible guys
if you told me Denver shot 49 from field and 47 from 3… I would of said we lose by 20.
I say the same thing
I said last game. I’d like to know why Singleton doesn’t play in the second half, while Blatche stinks up the joint and stays in.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Harrington looks like Antawn's cousin
"You know how we used to say Wade was Michael Jackson with a bunch of Titos on the Heat? The Wizards... They don't even have Titos. They got a bunch of Randys." - Charles Barkley
by Bread Lover on Jan 20, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Lets appreciate this
atleast our guys competed all 48 minutes….i’ll take this over some of those disgraceful losses when we gave up earlier this year
Yeah
Flip played better defense on him than anyone on Denver
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
By booing?
If that’s the case, then he doesn’t deserve to be a professional athlete making millions of dollars a year
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Exactly
Children pout. He hasn’t grown up yet
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Grown man getting millions of dollars
We are fans that are essentially paying his salary. We applaud effort and looking like you give a crap. If he can’t give us that, then he deserved to be booed. It’s the only way fans can really express their displeasure with someone’s play. We can’t cut him or trade him
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
the point has been made
people should get off his case now – he is what he is
Not true
He used to be productive.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
true but
The statement was that he “is what he is”. Which isn’t true. He actually has the capability, and talent to be productive. Just not the drive.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i hope they get him traded
its not good for either side…he needs a fresh start somewhere else and the fans dont want him here
this was a poorly coached game tonight,.
Flip just killed the squad smothering Young’s good game by the long benching.
Singleton disappears.
The Wiz can't finish games yet
I don’t think they have enough players to do it.
We need someone to come off the bench that'll provide a spark AND be able to score.
Singleton looks like he could be that guy… but it hasn’t quite materialized. Jan could be that guy as well.
It should be Wall and Young along with Crawford
by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not even mad
We could have won. man our boys played hard. effort like that all season and I will be happy.
by ccrun1800 on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 PM EST via Android app reply actions
dear ernie.......trade blatche
this isnt good for either side…he needs a fresh start somewhere else and the fans dont want him here
IF flips your coach you foul out at 5 fouls
i really hate the coach.
by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
yeah I don't understand that
You can’t take that extra foul home with you and make it breakfast in the morning. Let em play!
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 20, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Please Grunfeld trade the Hamburglar
I don’t even want anything in return just get him out of here. He needs a fresh start and we do too. Somebody must need a talented, out of shape, post player with a jump shot. For some peanuts or a red box movie?
COMPARISON
LAWSON was better than Wall, NICK was better than AAFOLLO , and KARL was better than FLOP, a game we should have won by 10. FLOP AND WALL lost us this game.
Tina Gary
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