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Nuggets Vs. Wizards Recap: Strong Start Fizzles, Hero Ball Cost Washington In 108-104 Loss

I guess we can put this one in the moral victory category. The Washington Wizards ran out of the gate against a really good Denver Nuggets team, but the Nuggets eventually rallied in the second quarter and eventually made just enough plays late to come away with a 108-104 victory at the Verizon Center. The Wizards played hard and did some very good things offensively, but the Nuggets' speed just proved to be too much. The Wizards compounded the problem with poor offensive possessions late in the game, while the Nuggets got a long three from Al Harrington and a rebound putback by Ty Lawson -- the smallest man on the floor -- to seal the win.

Some more notes on a fun game with an unsatisfying result.

Star-divide

  • You see why Denver is a good team with the way they were defending early. They beat the Wizards to the spot, forcing Washington to settle. But the Wizards adjusted fairly well. On their first points of the game, Nick Young went off a flare screen and got open for three. That's a look I haven't seen much of this year. They also got a three from Chris Singleton after the Nuggets doubled in the post.
  • As mentioned in the preview, the Nuggets run, but you can run back at them too. The Wizards did just that and got some highlight plays, but the most important thing is they were running and doing so efficiently. While Young's dunk was the highlight, I loved seeing John Wall look off everyone to set him up.
  • I think you can live with some of the shots Danilo Gallinari hit early. If he wants to shoot flat-footed 20-footers off pick and rolls, he can.
  • Great to see McGee jump straight up with 4:12 left, forcing Kosta Koufus to push off with his off arm to get it over him. Obvious offensive foul.
  • I don't know if it was a renewed emphasis by the players, bad Nuggets defense or just hitting shots early, but the Wizards really moved the ball well in the first quarter. It was kind of jarring, really. Not only that, but they attacked the basket. For example, Shelvin Mack drove by Andre Miller right away instead of holding the ball, forcing a goal-tend. The ball moved to him and he made a quick decision, resulting in two points. Sure, Miller played bad defense, but that's what happens when the ball moves and quick decisions are made.
  • The nice thing about Young's first quarter is that, outside of the shot referenced above, he didn't force anything. Well, except for his heat-check shot at the first-quarter buzzer. Will say this much: Denver did a pretty awful job recognizing that he had it going. Rudy Fernandez in particular was very bad.
  • The Nuggets' small lineup proved to be a problem as expected. It forced Flip Saunders to play Trevor Booker, Rashard Lewis and Jan Vesely together in an attempt to match up, and it didn't work. Washington force-fed the ball to Booker, guarded by Miller, several times, coming up empty each time. It's kind of like what the Golden State Warriors did during their playoff run several years back. No matter what, they force their kind of game on you, and you can't match up.
  • The perils of playing against the Nuggets: Blatche forces a fadeaway jumper over Al Harrington in the corner (the hardest part of the floor to get back from in transition), Chris Andersen rebounded, gave to Lawson, who pitched ahead to Fernandez, who found Harrington (who had leaked out) streaking in for the dunk. There were no dribbles after the ball crossed half-court. That's what Denver does so, so well. The Wizards simply have to be more disciplined in their shot selection against the Nuggets' small lineup.
  • Nick Young sat out for a pretty long time in the second quarter, coming out very early and only returning with 4:27 left in the second quarter. Not sure why Saunders didn't put him in earlier at small forward to match up with Denver's small lineup. As soon as he came in, George Karl went back to Gallinari, forcing Saunders to put Crawford on him. I think Flip may have mismanaged that one.
  • The good news, at least: the Wizards continued to score. But their defense was really poor, and the small lineup was the reason.
  • To give Saunders credit, the lineup he rolled out there against Denver's super-small lineup with Gallinari at power forward did a pretty good job. Two incredibly athletic defensive plays by Wall and McGee allowed the Wizards to pull ahead by two at halftime.
  • The Wizards tried two post-ups for Blatche to begin the first half, and neither work. He traveled on the first one, then got caught on the second one, kicked it out and Singleton missed a three in the corner. They tried to get him going and failed. Just a woeful game for him.
  • Man, Young hit a couple tough shots early in the third quarter.
  • Singleton struggled with Gallinari in the third quarter, mostly because Gallinari started to actually drive to the basket. He's really crafty when he does it, so I don't blame Singleton much. On one play, he started to the middle on a side pick and roll, lulled Singleton and Blatche to sleep with a hesitation dribble, then drove right for a dunk. It was a great, great move.
  • When we talk about the booing getting to Blatche, this is what we mean: he drove and had a four-footer (contested, but still), but elected to pass it to a surprised Wall instead. Of course, he also got booed when he drove and missed a layup. He couldn't do anything right.
  • The Wizards did some good things offensively in the third quarter, but when it counted, they couldn't get stops. Harrington and Lawson in particular really killed them. It's hard to stop Denver. It requires a superhuman effort from your big men, and McGee, while not playing badly, wasn't superhuman.
  • Good to see Wall going out of his way to reward McGee with alley-oops. He hadn't done much of that this year until tonight.
  • Two bad decisions at the end of the third quarter. First, Rashard Lewis closed out poorly on Corey Brewer, allowing him to shot-fake and draw the foul. Brewer just checked in and ... well, he's Corey Brewer. If he hits a three, so be it. Then, Crawford refused to pass it back to McGee on the re-post with good position, instead taking a contested three that clanked.
  • Great to see Mack frustrating Miller on a post-up attempt on Denver's first fourth-quarter possession. Led to a technical foul. In general, Mack defended Miller far better than I thought he would. He even made him slip coming full-speed.
  • Not a good fourth quarter for Crawford. Forced shots, and outside of one nice pass to Young for a three that missed, he didn't really create for others.
  • Couple sloppy plays from McGee caused him to be benched. I get it and I hope it doesn't take away from what was largely a good game.
  • Too much hero ball late. Crawford hit a three to put the Wizards ahead, but it was a really bad shot that somehow went down. He then took a really bad off-balanced runner that missed badly, and then forced a three that missed after Blatche fought hard for an offensive rebound. Wall also dribbled and forced a shot during that stretch. The Wizards did defend well, though, which kept them ahead even in the midst of all these terrible offensive possessions, but it continued and Denver took the lead.
  • Sure, Harrington's long three was lucky, but the Wizards have nobody to blame but themselves for all those empty offensive possessions.
  • The Wizards played hard, and that's good, but really, the decision-making by the two guards did them in. It's OK, it happens to a young team against a really well-coached team like Denver, but it still did them in. Wall simply cannot shoot that three-pointer down five with 40 seconds left when a quick two and a stop gives you a chance to tie.

That's the difference between a veteran and a young team. The veteran team cuts down the middle to get the key hoop. The young team tries to do it themselves. Nevertheless, it was a good effort that the Wizards can build on going forward.

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Bitter Sweet

I like the progress, i hate the ending…

by endos2000 on Jan 20, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

Biggest problems to me:

Wall really needs to start hitting his shots soon. It’s pretty scary how low his percentages are.

Annnd blatche. Just everything about him is a problem.

by DCSportsAllDay on Jan 20, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions  

YES!

Wall needs to find his shot in the worst way…this would make everyone’s job easier.

by endos2000 on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions  

didnt roll over tonight

And john is continuing to kill for us.
Crawford is starting to play basketball again
nicks starting to find rhythm
Mcgee is coming around
Blatche deserves to get booed tonight.
Maybe maybe maybe flip can stay a little longer i don’t blame this on him for benching nick he needs to have a rest to
were competing and the wins will come SOONER than we think

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 20, 2012 9:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

wall damn near had a triple double

and it seems as goes nick young as do the wizards.

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah

Amazing what our jump-shot-centric offense looks like when the only guy who has the ability to hit jump shots consistently is hitting his jump shots…

by jakenbake on Jan 21, 2012 12:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm happy

compared to Chicago, 9 days ago, we’ve come a long way baby….

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions  

Young

played almost an entire game…with not a single rebound!!!! lmao

by MitchieMit on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

You could look at that

Or you could look at his 25 points, 4 assists, 4 steals and 0 turnovers

by Llamaman on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions  

NO REBOUNDS!!!

He sucks – good thing he’s gone after this year….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions  

and he sucks at defense too...

He’s a black hole…

Selfish

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Just trying to get used to rooting AGAINST Nick Young....

finding his faults…etc…

He won’t be a Wizard next year – so I can’t root for him any more.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions  

That possession with 40 seconds left, down 5, that killed it for us.

A well coached team would have known that a quick 2 is all you need. Then foul and keep the game alive as long as possible. Crawford was about to take a terrible 3, but gave it up to John who did take a terrible 3. That possession right there sums up the team in a lot of ways. These guys need to know how to play situational basketball. I’m sure they go over it in practice. That possession was a real downer for me.

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 20, 2012 9:35 PM EST reply actions  

Yea but....

Based on this teams three weeks of professional basketball with the 1 week preseason I doubt last minute winning routines might have been cut from the training schedule a bit.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:51 PM EST up reply actions  

Blatche needs to go.

Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.Blatche needs to go.

Geting it done.

by Knowledge92 on Jan 20, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions  

He's ours

we’re stuck with him for the foreseeable future.
He’s trying so dam hard now he’s hurting himself.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

He would be gone in a second

if anyone wanted him. Sadly, that isn’t the case.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

there’s a dark cloud over him, hopefully he’ll play out of it.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I agree..... but it's too late now...

The time to trade him was this past year… while his stock was high…

NO ONE will want him now… not even for a protected 2nd round pick… The Wizards will not be able to GIVE him away…

The only chance is for him to start playing better – or they can amnesty him this Summer…. but right now, he’s more UN-TRADEABLE than Arenas was just after gun-gate.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

Arenas was not in shape remember he was a head case too when he first came back from his supension.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree

Arenas had a significantly higher (max) salary, was coming off a few knee surgeries, and of course was a PR disaster. I believe Blatche can be traded to a team looking for an offensive big-man (say Golden State), but we will need to take significantly less value back in return.

by Uknowit2309 on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Point Blank

If we are to unload Blatch we definitely have to say goodbye to our 1st round pick and if we are going to do that EG is going to have to make that trade count in getting something really good in return and that’s just reality Blatche is HIbachi!!!!

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions  

An interesting fact:

That was Jan Vesely’s 2nd time playing the Nuggets.
he had foul trouble in both games.

by Llamaman on Jan 20, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions  

John Wall didn't make the plays in the 2nd half that could've changed the outcome

And the other thing, I hate that Nick was on FIRE in the first, and Flip single-handedly cooled him off by sitting him for like 8 straight minutes in the second quarter.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 20, 2012 9:42 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

He played a smart game

He’s applying his quickness to smart defensive play, and he’s gotten enough confidence to a least start shooting some jumpers. Compared to 2 weeks John’s doing great.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 PM EST up reply actions  

right i think this is actually a good game for him

the other night against okc he got 25, so he showed he can put the points up there, now hes showing he can also get boards and assists as well, i was reading a quote doc rivers had about steve nash this morning, and it was something along the lines of doc saying “you dont know what you will get from steve nash. Is he going to be a pass first pg? Is he going to be a shoot first pg? He keeps you guessing” and i feel wall may possess such an ability. Will you be playing against a wall who can drop 25 on you with 7 assists, or will you be going against a wall who only drops 12, but gets 10 boards and 12 assists as well. If wall can learn to master that duality, he can be a westbrook like player one game, and then turn into rondo the next….depending on what the team needs

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

He will

Once he figures out a fluid jump shot and control of 4th and 5th gear he could control the tempo of almost any game. He’s an amazing athlete. What a dilemma ? We need to slow him down :-(

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Everyone says Wall shouldn't shoot a 3 when he did

but he has to get used to this situation. From a shooting point of view, I didn’t mind him trying it. Try to hit a 3 when the team needs it. It wasn’t the right circumstance to do it, but when the team needs a 3, hopefully he can hit one. I sort of give him a pass because he is still learning.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions  

yea- take em.

but try to take 2 practice threes in the game before the game winner.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions  

For now, just don't try to shoot game winners unless its a dunk

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

I put this on flip

for not giving mack more minutes, leaving blatche in there to get torched all game, andleaving shart in therre as well.

by MurlandTerps on Jan 20, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

I'm all for a little more Mack

In fact I’d love to see a Wall, Mack, Young, singleton, and McGee Run.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Especially when the building is that empty, the group booing is blatantly loud. I’m with everybody else that wants to deal Dray, but that shit’s just ridiculous.

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

clarion call to the franchise's dysfunction

signal beacon to the rest of the league STAY AWAY STAY AWAY

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It's a reflection of a transition

These same people booing Drey are the season holders that cheered him a year and a half ago. They know what he can do. If he can still do it he will, they think he can.

by DCPerspective on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Mcgee improving...that being said as may points he scores he gives them right back...

Blatche……..already been said
Wall……..learning
Booker……cant leave shooters open off the pick and roll
defensively we have to stay in front of players on the perimeter…too may getting into tthe lane

These are the reasons why we were close and also why we lost the game

by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 20, 2012 9:57 PM EST reply actions  

I actually think Blatche deserves to be humiliated and his teamates should see what poor professionalism will result in.

That guy is plain pathetic. No other way to say it. I can’t wait for the time where for whatever reason we don’t have to continually talk about Baltche

by pass first on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

No moral victory allowed with Nene out.

Nick alone is the difference between being a competitive team or a debacle.

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

I would say competitive game or debacle

and I would add Crawford to the mix…

We have see a hot Wall or McGee are not enough….with Flip’s offense, we are basically at the mercy of Nick or Crawford getting hot each night to make a game of it…

it is what it is…I root for one to get hot every game at this point…otherwise, we struggle.

That being said, Singleton and Mack shot well tonight…maybe one of them will get into a Landry Fields type groove for part of the season…who knows…

I am not going to change. I want us to hustle and compete every game. At this point., I am not interested in record. I am interested in culture and habit building.

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions  

What they need to do

Is realize that the only way they are going to compete is play sound defense like every other inexperience young team Bulls, Sixers, etc. They all got it done on the defense side of the court and let the offense come as the game went along. Plain and simple everyone need’s to stop thinking they are going to light it up and have the crowd at their feet and just stay focus.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Tell me I am wrong

David I am goin to channel my inner Ivan Carter, but tell me I am wrong but the wizards are a big man away from making the playoffs this year and I mean one big man away as in trading Blatche for another big.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

You sir, are wrong.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Two solid games against two solid teams

Hard to complain too much. And, on a side note, I still despise Al Harrington……

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions  

Sometimes the plants need to be repotted...

Andray has reached the end of the trail here… the booing is obviously out of hand and it is doubtful that Andray will ever get past this so long as he is in a Wizards uniform.

Villanueva was doing well enough at Milwaukee but has been a marked man in Detroit owing to the fact that Joe Dumars overpaid him. This is not unlike the case with Blatche, although many fans thought that the extension he got from EG looked OK at the time.

There is really nothing to lose if Dumars and Grunfeld agree to swap these players. A fresh start may do wonders for both of them.

by khrabb on Jan 21, 2012 7:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Heh, nice
Sometimes the plants need to be repotted

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

great phrasing and very, very true

Dray for Charlies seems like the perfect switch really (dont know contarct detials tho)

by DCrez on Jan 21, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Why would we trade our 1st rounder this year.

That suggestion of adding our 2012 1st to get rid of Dray is silly to me.

I would trade
Dray and Hamidy (sp?) OR Dray and Seraphin
Dray and Crawford OR
Dray and a second round

FOR – A low post scoring 4 like Lamarcus Aldridge, to balance out Nick Youngs shooting, and smart defensively to balance out JVM. Not a jump shooting 4 like Channing Frye -noooooooooooo

(realistic wish list) Carl Landry, K. Garnet, Charlie V, Taj Gibson,
Someone from the nuggets, kings, rockets, jazz, cavs, toronto (These teams are deep in the 4 position)

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by CharGrayJ on Jan 21, 2012 12:55 PM EST up reply actions  

dude

thats not realistic at all

In order to get any of those ‘realistic’ options you listed you would have to give up the 1st round pick.

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 21, 2012 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Or amnesty dray and release shard

If released he’s only owed about $10mil instead of $23mil

by Llamaman on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't we just buy Rashard out too?

as in, not picking up the team option and then give him $5mill instead of $10mill? If we don’t pick up the option he becomes an unrestricted FA I believe but I’m not sure if we could still buy him out.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions  

I just don't see why he would agree to that

It’s not like we can say "If you don’t accept a $5 mil buyout we’ll force you to play for us for $23 mil. For Shard it’s play for DC for 23 or be released for 10. He has no reason to accept a buyout for 5

by Llamaman on Jan 22, 2012 1:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I have not given up on Blatche

he is going in to pupa to re-emerge as Jeff Green.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions  

Who would rather have?

Blatche or Green? I will take Green because he fits in to the offense. Maybe they will accept Blatche because he fits in to more of their offense.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Six of one......

Don’t get me wrong, I’d take Gerald Green at this point if it means moving Dray, but I don’t have a whole lot of faith in Jeff Green.

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

For the Wiz, ya. I think he will fit in

he is a perimeter defender who can play some 4 and he can hit 3s.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Fair enough, I suppose

And I understand he was slightly miscast in OKC, but I still think it’s a bit of a reach. That being said, if he’s willing to come cheap, sure, why not.

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

It's not a matter of Blatche ór Green you know...

I prefer to trade/amnesty Blatche and to not sign Green.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Depending on who we draft

We need a rebounding bigman and shooters. Since signing quality FA’s is rather difficult for the Wiz I’d prefer trading up for a second lottery pick and try to get both Sullinger and GilChrist but if we get either one, we have the capspace to sign the other through FA.

With 2 2012 lottery picks, McGee, Wall and veteran backups a la Hinrich, Kurt Thomas, I am more than willing to go through another losing season because we can see the end of the tunnel.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Team has some pieces....

question is ..who do we keep….
very difficult to gauge…..

Mcgee…unlimited potential…..makes same mistakes ….how much money do we offer
Young….tough one considering our offensive players we have he is our best option…that being said do we offer him what he wants..same as mcgee

by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

Still think Nick is best suited as a Vinny type bench scorer

He’s just too damn streaky. That being said, I’d still give him just shy of the mid level to be that guy. When he’s on, he’s unconscious.

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea

He fit’s that Paul Pierce LA guy type of mold.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Give Mcgee what he wants

Theres a reason nobody signed Young in the offseason. Plus SG is a loaded position, there are plenty to draft or FA, Crawford def isnt rdy to start yet if ever

by KurisuDevil on Jan 20, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

No reason to believe that

We’ve never even heard Javale endorse his mom’s opinion.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 21, 2012 1:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Give Mcgee what he wants....

he scores but makes some untimely mistakes at crucial moments.. it’s a big gamble

by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Bigman are so rare... I know he isn't worth $12 mil a year as a player, but since he's a bigman, some team will pay him that

Then we would have to pay the same type of money ($12+) to a replacement and I don’t see one that is available or realistic to sign next yr.

The other route is drafting a project in Drummond or Davis but that would effectively mean delaying the rebuild with 3 or 4 yrs and I don’t see the point in that. Plus, I am doubtfull either one is going to be as good after 4 yrs as McGee is now.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 21, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Mcgee is going to be a very, very good player.

I dont know…imo it’s happening right before our eyes and the org would be foolish to let him walk. The only caveat is the asthma and just how chronic a condition it is. I’ve read in many cases it actually lessens towards your mid20s, but in others it remains.

Javale’s biggest problem right now is his asthma, he breaks down once he’s gassed you can see it clear as day.

by DCrez on Jan 21, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't see any better talent out there...

…for Denver than Washington (although the consensus worst player would seem to be Blatche). Denver has a better sense of what they are trying to accomplish and they play with more confidence. Nevertheless, the Wiz are finally starting to improve on these latter two points.

From my perspective, Blatche played too much, Singleton didn’t play enough and Young should not have sat so long after scoring 17 in the first period.

by Izman on Jan 20, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions  

Buckhantz asked twice whether Chenier was surprised....

….that Young wasn’t in the game. There was silence.

Unfortunately, Nick’s confidence is affected by little things. One such thing can be the coach benching him. I’d like to say “live and learn”, but that doesn’t ever seem to be the case with the Wizards.

by Izman on Jan 20, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't know if it has anything to do with it

but Young was holding his thumb. He jammed it, I suppose. Maybe the reason he sat out in the 2nd Q for as long as he did.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Gallanari is better than any small forward we have anywhere near our roster

but otherwise…Denver is indeed winning base on team ball…

Btw – Gallinari – Restricted FA this year…I would consider giving him an offer…

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

This free agency coming up

it kinda sucks….i thought it was supposed to be awesome but its kinda sorry. So many of the good ppl are restricted

by KurisuDevil on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

i'd love to sign him, we should

though it’s another sign of the dysfunction that Nick can lock him down and light him up at will and he’s headed out the door

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 11:41 PM EST up reply actions  

The difference in talent

Was in the depth, when the reserves come in. Al Harrington killed us. The other difference in talent is in the shooters they have. They have a bunch if guys at least capable of making jumpers. Also, if Nene isn’t injured, then there is never really even a question if we have the same amount if talent.

Basically, they are a way more talented talented team than us.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 21, 2012 1:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   2 recs

Also, on the bright side

My tickets for the Wednesday game with Charlotte are looking a little better

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions  

Hard to be too upset but

Flip did a good job cooling Young off.

by edubz on Jan 20, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

Blatche

you know, I thought he played pretty well. Swung the ball alot, kind of filled space. I don’t mean to sound sarcastic. I think when he moves the ball and is a big body in the middle he is at his best. He’s a roll player, absolutely nothing wrong with that.

by edubz on Jan 20, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions  

good habit to get into...

now we need him to shoot when he is wide open…

the dude probably hates coming on the floor now though…I watched him pretty closely for a while in the 2nd half. He had his head down at every point…didn’t even want to think about looking at the crowd…he mind is out of it. When he was subbed, it was a free throw. He went to the bench immediately upon seeing Rashard…and Denver literally shot with only 4 people on the floor. He didn’t want to be anywhere near the floor.

Not good….for anyone…

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Staring

And seeing starter’s minutes are a different thing. Flip seems to have a pretty quick hook for Sing lately. I don’t get it.

by imperialme on Jan 20, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions  

yea we really have to stop booing blatche

hes not a bad guy… nd i dont think all the people saying that he is lazy and has bad work ethic are correct either… he just has his limitations and the booing is definitely affecting his play.. as fans we are supposed to support our team… i reserve booing only for ppl like hanyneworthlesness… with that said he needs to find his game again 2 pts wont cut it… he did get some big boards though

by Wizkid4eva on Jan 20, 2012 10:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

I was on the fence about the booing thing at first

But now I’m on the dark side lol. He deserves to be booed. Yeah he’s a nice guy off the court, but I watch the NBA to see productive players. When I see a player as lazy as him, I’m sorry, he deserves to be booed.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I am not one that says booing is out of bounds...

my point is booing before the guy has done a thing as though he is Lebron James….serves no purpose and is likely disconcerting to the other players as well…

as I said…in a blowout, or after 3 quarters of bad play…boo with him leaving the game. But during intros? The first time he touches the ball? Why? This is our team? We are only as strong as our weakest link. But every game is the new one.

We are asking this team to act like professionals, and treat every game like it is as important as a playoff game. Well, we should hold ourselves to the same standard as fans.

I understand the frustration. But we don’t advance any cause other than personal venting by booing a player on our team to start a game.

Not to mention mob mentality starts to kick in and it takes a life of its own.

Now, good play will also correct the issue. But why make it harder than it is.

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

What if

Fans are showing EG and Ted what they think of that extension and putting pressure on EG, but you make good points. It’s just that Blatche is everything that’s wrong when the wizards are playing bad for one he step in front of a crowd and said he was a captain, and he knows he is a vet on this team now he should have came to WORK not a rec center pickup game, but came to work in shape.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the message has been received...

so why not be positive, and not give the rest of the team the impression that they are possibly next on the list…

Not to mention…we are making it less likely that future FAs want to come here. (Those crazy fans boo their own team during intros) As if it isn’t bad enough that half the time the place is packed with fans for the other team…

I guess all I am saying is discretion is the better part of valor…..

Not that I think it will stop anytime soon…but who knows, maybe we as a community can have an impact…

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

no! other players know he's a joke

so FA will understand and to be fair this is the only way us fans as a community can show our disgust to ted so he can open his eyes n get off this broken course

by pdub117 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

listen all i have to say is he went 0-7 tonight

year and year out we say this is the year he breaks out please not happening no team in the whole league wants him. Also its a shame glen consor forever sticks up for this guy as if us fans are blind its a disgrace but very happy with the team playing competitive now.

by pdub117 on Jan 20, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

He does have a bad work ethic.

Jamison called him out plenty of times, what happen was when we got rid of the big three we unintentionally pulled the rug from up under our knuckleheads who have been goofing off for too long and not taking things seriously. Now that I say that Young and McGee have shown improvement Blatche not so much. Ernie wants to talk about his numbers but any blind fool could tell you that Blatche put’s those numbers up after he comes back from his hiatus in April.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree totally

I just don’t understand booing a guy on your own team before he even touches the ball. It just doesn’t make any sense. Maybe it’s cathartic for people, but at this point your just making him totally worthless to us, when if maybe he had some confidence and was playing well we could ship him out of here. As it is, he’s just a broken player right now and he will never get his game back as long as people are booing him as soon as his sneakers hit the court.

by seewhite on Jan 21, 2012 1:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't have a big opinion on the booing

I don’t like it. But Blatche is a man. He needs to act like it.

by edubz on Jan 20, 2012 10:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know how anyone can justify his performance

He was flat out terrible. He was moving the ball, but that’s because he couldn’t make a jumpshot and didn’t want to get booed by the fans. His J has been broken since last year. He wasn’t selfish, but you’re not supposed to pass up wide-open jumpers (I don’t really mind, because he would’ve probably missed all of them). You could tell he was nervous out there. NBA players aren’t supposed to have low confidence. And his D was bad.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 20, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

he was bad tonight

but he’s not bad every night. He could be a very good player, but as he is, he’s not a bad player most of the time. he could give a team 20 minutes every night and be an asset. he’s by far our best backup center. but now his head is completely messed up, unfortunately for the wiz.

too bad he doesn’t seem to be able to learn from his mistakes.

by stevie on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

We pay good money for these tickets

If you dont have the talent thats one thing…but if you make 6-8 mil a year and you have been called out for your laziness since Jamison and Butler were here there are no more chances….

you got paid, we supported him….and he has given us nothing but uninspired, out of shape, lazy basketball….and he wants fans to not be upset about it….just keep giving your money and act like that nonsense is acceptable

by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:10 PM EST reply actions  

i dont dislike him personally and wish him luck where ever he goes..but he cant stay here

ive had enough of him wasting space on our flooor…i dont want mcgee, vesely, seraphin, and booker learning how to be professionals from him….

i dont like the negativity but what other option do you have when your team has 2 wins in 15 games and has bad moves over and over for 20 years??

R. Wallace for Rod Strickland
C.Webb for Mitch Richmond
B. Wallace for Ike Austin
Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse
R. Rubio for Randy Foye and Mike Miller
Signing Andray Blatche longterm

by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions  

i know that

the point i was making is that we have a frustrated fan base…….to many bad personel moves for a long time…..blatche is just the most recent…..the sooner they trade him the sooner we dont have to discuss this anymore

by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:55 PM EST up reply actions  

They won't ever be able to trade him

What on earth would any GM in his right mind give up for Blatche at this point. He has a terrible reputation, a fairly expensive contract, he currently has an injured shoulder, and oh yeah, he’s playing like crap! We are stuck with him, unless EG puts together some kind of misfit toy package where we trade for another teams salvage project. Eddy Curry anyone!

by seewhite on Jan 21, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Wallace for Strickland was not in a class with the other four deals...

Basically we traded Wallace, a raw back-up forward (Webber and Howard were the starters, for the long term so we thought at the time…), for a top-flight (if flaky) point guard, who was still in his prime and gave the team a couple of very good years.

The other deals were truly horrible.

We have not had a point guard of Strckland’s quality (I can never quite accept Gilbert as a point guard, so let’s asterisk this) until Wall. And of course Strickland helped coach Wall at Kentucky, as well.

by khrabb on Jan 21, 2012 7:26 AM EST up reply actions  

Wallace for Strickland was a horrible trade

The Wiz trade a young power forward with an attitude problem for a point guard who can’t shoot the ball and had an attitude problem.

by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 2:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Omg... jamison and butler were here a long time ago and blatche was like 20...

i think its possible that Blatche is working hard but he is just not seeing the results… and with all this lazy lazy stuff, I see Blatche working hard for boards. But he has his limitations, he cant move like Vessley because HE IS JUST NOT THAT ATHLETIC!! all im saying is that as fans we should support the players. Not boo an individual when the team is finally playing well in a close game against a good team, how the hell does that help anything? I think/hope that Blatche is a good dude and will emerge from his slump

by Wizkid4eva on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions   2 recs

yea booing the home team is not cool

a game or two, yes he deserved it. but now it’s become unseemly. leave it to the coaches, owner etc…. to deal with it.

by stevie on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

So I guess ?

We should wait for himto come around like last year and the year before that and the year before that. You make good points about not booing him, but giving him a break those days are long just like Jamison. He had a opportunity to learn from one of the best in their prime and if just because he was 20 a lot of people need to lay off Wall being a bust.

by p.robb87 on Jan 20, 2012 11:32 PM EST reply actions  

agreed

hes at the kwame brown point where no matter what he does no fans want to see him even if he does something good

by pdub117 on Jan 20, 2012 11:34 PM EST up reply actions  

He may very well be at that point, which would be sad

Because Dray actually showed that he could ball a little, while Kwame clearly has no basketball instinct at all.

by seewhite on Jan 21, 2012 1:58 AM EST up reply actions  

That;s all I can think when I hear it

It’s beyond the point of no return. When it gets to this point, when the fans unmercifully boo a player every second they can, could it even end another way?

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 21, 2012 2:28 AM EST up reply actions  

for some reason i found tonight's game kinda boring

it was like the game was scripted.

if dc had pulled it out andre miller should have been the player of the game for the wiz.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 21, 2012 12:03 AM EST reply actions  

All this Andray talk.

Grunfeld should be making a courtesy call to New York to see about one of thei Big Three Amar’e in particular you ask me, they need to get rid of one of those big contracts because they just do not have enough.

by p.robb87 on Jan 21, 2012 12:06 AM EST reply actions  

Mom is not happy

Couple sloppy plays from McGee caused him to be benched

by hambonejackson on Jan 21, 2012 12:58 AM EST reply actions  

Flip

I think most agree that sitting NY in 2nd was moronic, but here are my other peeves:

1. Sitting JM after 5th foul and bringing in Blache. Why not let him play and foul out. The extra foul does not carry over to next game.
2. Too may minutes for Blache and too few for Singleton and Book
3. Inbounds play in last minute where Denver got the easy 2. 5 guys should have been guarding 4 to get the foul. Why cover inbounds guy.
4. 3 guard lineup for most of 4th
5. Too little of an obviously talented Mack. Why not try wall at 2 if you want to go small.

by laxdog on Jan 21, 2012 9:15 AM EST reply actions  

Wall can't shoot

You at least need the fear that your 2 can hit a barn

by imperialme on Jan 21, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

That sure has been clear

But would rather have Mack setting him up for drives to basket than Crawford setting himself up for some crazy ass shot. So basically I am saying, leave Hogford on the bench.

by laxdog on Jan 21, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd like to see them try

Wall at the 1 and Mack at the 2 (he played off the ball a lot in college), but have them switch defensive assignments. Mack guards the other teams point, while Wall (who is big enough to be a shooting guard) guards the other teams 2.

by Llamaman on Jan 22, 2012 1:08 AM EST up reply actions  

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