The Wizards and Pacers can legitimately save some money by keeping the centers away from the market.
But in Washington's case, that means investing in an eccentric player whose mother is openly feuding with the coach. In Indiana's case, that means blowing the rest of its rebuild opportunity just to lock up the team's young center early. It's a dangerous game, and a pair of really tough decisions.
Were I in charge here, I'd let my early extension offer for McGee reach $46 million over four years (just a touch more than Jordan got) and $52 million over four years for Hibbert. If either reaches restricted free agency, I'd expect their contracts to exceed those levels, so -- by my guess, which is only a guess -- this would allow these two teams to save a bit of money.
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If the Wiz let me Mcgee walk they gotta get someone like Ian Mahini who is an FA
absolutely, positively, CANNOT go into next season with a new huge hole to fill or our C position manned by a skinny rookie. I guess there is Drummond, but it sounds like he may be lazy so no way
I understand the bigger point is that if JaVale walks, we need a replacement
But let’s not go crazy and suggest Ian Mahinmi…
Although, the fact that Ian would be the kind of center we would be replacing JaVale with should raise MAJOR flags with regards to letting him walk.
As much as JaVale frustrates people, he has gifts that most of the other centers in the league don’t have, and is already performing at a level above most of them as well.
Of the three “holdovers” that I could see us really salvaging, JaVale is the most important. However, I could also see all three turning their careers around in DC if we brought in a new management regime that didn’t have such a complicated history with them, that would be able to set clear rules the guys could aspire to, and that didn’t have such a passive/aggressive, unfocused approach to development.
by jakenbake on Jan 20, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think Nick and Javale need a split
They reinforce a lot of each others behavior, Blatche has a huge cloud over him here and simply has to go.
I still believe Dray can turn things around, get in shape for once, and thrive.
I Just think that the chemistry with his teammates, relationship with the fans, and his whole history here makes it impossible for him to ever fit in here
4 yrs/46 mil for JaVale would be a good deal for the Wiz
The kid clearly getting better- and may be the ONLY one on the team who is getting better- despite all the bad publicity. I suspect McGee might want more, though.
I think we absolutely have to keep the kid- he is averaging a double double, improving, and still barely scratching the surface of his potential.
My worst nightmare is having him leave town, and still being stuck with Flip Saunders as coach and Andray Blatche and his 4 for 15 from the field atrocities. That would just be too horrible for words.
by goober nackulum on Jan 20, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions
If either reaches restricted free agency, I’d expect their contracts to exceed those levels
McGee knows this too, so why would/should he take an early extension? I wouldn’t. As far as Flip, we’d be an even more dysfunctional organization if we let him have any weight what soever in this descission. He wasn’t hired for this, doesn’t even really want to be here it seems and should not be part of this team’s long term future or even be here beyond this season.
In my opnion we should keep him. Thealternative is drafting Javale anno 2008 all over again in Davis. McGee is quality starter on most teams already and has so much more potential, especially if the coachingstaff would focus on the P&R with Wall. That’s gold right there
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
the rationale would be guaranteed money...but this isn't the NFL where a career
ending injury is likely but you never know)
Regardless, it takes two to tango…and I just think Nick and Javale have made their peace with moving on…
just the vibe I get from how the interact with the team and press….
Didn't Shaun Livingston turn down a contract extension?
Then the knee….
he may suspect, but he can't know
Nick Young thought he’d have a long line of big-time suitors waiting to open their wallets wide (as did many people on this site), but he didn’t — in part b/c he was restricted, and in part b/c of his perceived deficiencies. The Wizards will surely bring this up if they’re trying to convince JaVale to extend. May work, may not. But it’s hard to know what the market is really going to be.
Nick had ZERO suiters willing to pay over the $3.7million the Wiz gave
Heck, we don’t even know if anyone would have offered him over $2million.
That's not true.
The fact that he ended up playing for the QO is an indication that he didn’t receive the offer he wanted. It is not necessarily indication that he received no offer.
Players are not required to sign offer sheets, you know…
We have no idea
It’s better to say “we don’t know” rather than it’s untrue.
We have little information on what was offered to Nick. We only know he wanted 9 million a year. The Wizards were not willing to do that. We know from Flip’s comments that they tried to work something out with him and a trade, but that didn’t pan out.
I think it’s reasonable to infer two things. First, Nick Young wasn’t getting 9 million a year offers. He would have signed them. Second, I think it’d be fair to characterize interest in Young as tepid. Since no other team signed him to a deal that would force the Wizards to think about matching.
by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:02 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I believe it was posted on here
that a western conference official said teams didn’t want to make an offer b/c they were certain it would be matched by the wizards
It was alsO written that
The wiz offere nick something in the neighborhood of $7m. So “that’s not true” fits
by jones-y on Jan 20, 2012 6:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
age and injury potential
he’s 23 – the smart move is taking the money
4 years down the road, assuming modest improvement, he’d be in line for a massive payday (not that 40+ mi isn’t massive …)
Welp
Its all over then
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
If Only JaVale had a Big Man Coach
Forgot. Wizards too CHEAP
by jmpalomo on Jan 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
Because JaVale needs Hakeem
To teach him how to set a frickin’ pick.
by yop32 on Jan 20, 2012 11:58 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think a hof big man like Hakeem can inspire a player to greatness
There is weight in Hakeems words. He was one of the greatest ever, and had a similar skill set as Javale.
I think a guy like him can also give confidence to someone like Javale that he can be truly great.
honestly
javale might not even know who hakeem is. good chance he’s never seen him play.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions
I guess Space Jam qualifies for erudite in Ted's book.
+1 for funniness tho
sadly, no
not a play on javale’s intelligence, just his age.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but he is an nba Center and Hakeem was an all-time great
who has coached Kobe, Dwight, Lebron….it’s very public stuff
Similar skill set?
I don’t see it. Javale is probably more athletic than Hakeem was. But I think he would trip over himself if he tried the ‘Dream Shake’. McGee doesn’t have near the footwork Dream had.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Oh, I completely agree
I said this last year. But I was responding to the guy above who said Javale and Dream have “similar skill sets”. That’s just not the case.
Actually, the closer comparison could be the other half of Houston’s “Twin Towers”, Ralph Sampson. Now, in no way am I saying McGee’s offensive game is close to Sampson’s. I’m saying they are similar. I believe Sampson had better touch.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Useless coaching...
Obviously, if Dwight and Javale can’t figure that stuff out on their own, they are not capable of becoming legitimate NBA players…
but to hear that mcgees mom is feuding
with flip thats gotta stop or let him walk we don’t need a toxic cloud over our head ne more then we already have over us. I can’t say that id disagree with that report because his mom is all about self gratification if u forgot the all-star game where she hugged all the men but didn’t even shake cheryl millers hand just ignored her. In my point of view trade him now before the deadline to get a pick this plus a young player.
the message is not about feuding with the coach, nor about what she did at the all star game
her bio is credible
ok but that environment is toxic already n the team is fragile
If you think the team doesn’t know that his moms feuding with coach like this isn’t rec ball this is the league get it together be an adult
Let's all have a reality check here...
Who believes that if Javale McGee were about to sign an extension with the Wizards next week with the intent to stay here, his mom, who understand professional sports, would grant an interview that slams the team? Does that help Ted sign the dotted line?
Now, one could argue that you can’t expect rational actions when your baby boy is being pilloried by the national press core, but I suspect she could have waited to let loose if she wanted too…
I take the granting of the interview as an explicit signal…no need to even make an offer…my son is out of here… good luck…
Does the future of the NBA take anything less than something close to the max?
(btw-I suspect McGee’s agent is feeding some of the hyperbole)
"my son is out of here"
We can match any offer. You’re probably right about the hyperbole, but raising his price doesn’t mean we actually lose him if we’ll match it.
Fair enough
But that would be another year and a half before he gets paid. A lot can happen in a year and a half, and he doesn’t strike me as all that patient.
fair....he could also hope Flip won't be here
but I really think both he and Young are ready to try something new…
My opinion changes on this daily
Today I agree with Sign and Trade. I think he can still draw a lot of stuff in a trade based on potential. But man, I like the kid. I really do.
I'm with you but i don't like his mom n thats the problem there
she entitles him. N they both crave attention or spotlight. i can see it
Javale mom: "just do whats best for you " Your the best player out there
by pdub117 on Jan 20, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Javale deserves better
I cant wait to see him in Golden State next year tearin it up with Monta Ellis, Steph Curry and David Lee. He deserves better than a coach who doesn’t believe in him and a team that tells him to pay for a big man coach. Most of the fan base doesn’t support him even though he tries every night but everyone forgives Blatche because he hit a 3 against OKC.
My guess is that they never spent the time to develop Nick Young and they won’t with Jordan Crawford either. It’s getting harder and harder to be loyal to this organization…..
by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Blatche was booed in intros last game
McGee wasn’t. Of the two, I think the fanbase is MUCH more patient with McGee than Blatche at this point.
McGee
has fewer solicitation convictions. Blatche was also replacing Booker. I think fans respect Booker’s energy.
I know I do
Book may be limited, but I like his hustle.
I have to admit...
this is the first time I have ever heard fans make the argument that an athlete should hire their own personal coach..
trainer…yes….doctor…yes….but coach?
Why would a coaching staff want an outsider developing and teaching one of their players, creating the potential for contradictory instruction and guidance?
It is an extremely odd position that I am still trying to reconcile. If I were trying to win a championship, I would take any action that the benefits would outweigh the cost. It is kind of like saying why hire an advanced stats analyst, when some coach without a statistics background could crunch the numbers in excel and get close.
You get what you pay for.
by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
In season?
Javale also paid out of season….
Though I would still argue that out of season coaching would still be reasonable…
it's funny we railed on Dray/Mcgee for Dalembert playing well
but turns out he’s playing well against everyone now, took it to Demarcus and has had really nice games vs Greg Monroe, Okafur, Kaman…and they’ve won 5 in a row. Is this Mchale influence on him starting to show? Gotta wonder, he’s always had the talent but now suddenly it’s working
Yeah Dalembert looks like a new player this season.
I’d be interested to know where the improvement is coming from too. It also reinforces the notion of big men continuing to improve late into their careers.
I think Dalembert's play
is more illustrative of that fact that McGee is not a top 5 center. IF other centers play well against him (he’s the worst man-to-man defender on the team), it dramatically undercuts such claims.
Yeah in that particular game sure,
but Dalembert is playing well against everyone. If he keeps up his level of play, this is easily his career year.
by jones-y on Jan 20, 2012 6:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's what I thought...
I would find it strange for an NBA team to allow a non-paid coach to take a player away from their practice sessions…
I was about to walk away from the computer when this just struck me:
If you were trying to make sure that the team you were playing with DIDN’T try to extend you, instead allowing you to shop around and get an even more lucrative offer without you having to say “no” to them first… what would you do?
Something like letting your mom talk to the press and make a big deal out of the known issues with the team?
Something tells me the timing of all of this isn’t accidental…
I said a similar thing in the other thread
5 days away from the deadline. Why not say the obvious in that this isn’t that great of a situation. The implication is that more money will make it OK, i.e. don’t go cheap on your offer.
If you're going to go the conspiracy route
She may of created a scene to cover for the fact that McGee wasn’t going to get offered an extension.
Ding ding ding!
And when you pair it with the way Nick Young handled restricted free agency, it has to make you a little concerned that two of the young guys who were supposed to be important parts of the rebuild think they can do better elsewhere.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 20, 2012 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Plus
Another young guy who was supposed to be part of that rebuild is getting booed at home. Other than that, things are solid.
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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 20, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
I think the team is reconsidering all of EG's high ceiling prospects
Blatche, McGee, and Young were all high ceiling prospects with concerns regarding their maturity, basketball IQ, and in some instance, actual common sense. Seeing the debacle that is this season, it’s harder to declare them “part of the core”
If the team had 5-6 wins, then I think it’s a totally different world. But, to be blunt, why do you think a bunch of guys who have lost their whole career would be anything but losers for the rest of it. It’s not like this is their 2nd season. These guys have been around for a while now.
Don't you think it's a little late to reconsider whether Blatche is part of the core?
I mean, they already extended him through 2015…. Gave him a big pile of money BEFORE he was eligible for Free Agency…..
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and just a year later….. oops? Our bad….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
On AB
I don’t disagree that deciding Blatche is outside the rebuild would be a big move. I’m not even 100% sure he doesn’t have a roll as the 2nd big man off the bench.
As for the Wizard’s decision, I remember when he was a restrict agent there was a lot of concern about Dallas poaching him from us. So I do think people have considered Blatche to have talent, and there was some demand for him. EG’s decision wasn’t absurd on its face. In retrospect, it may be yet another big man signing by EG that didn’t work out (We paid Etan Thomas how much?? Man, I need to write a tragic poem about that). But, I think it’s somewhat understandable for basketball reasons. You take a chance on a guy with a high ceiling. That’s one of the reasons I don’t think it’s absurd for the Wizards to resign McGee despite some of his obvious flaws.
As for the Wizards changing their mind on the rebuild… Frankly, I don’t mind. The Wizards have Wall and should build with Wall. I know he’s struggled, but he looks like he has star capacity, and with the right players around him, I think he’ll play better. If player don’t fit with him or don’t gel with him in the locker room, they should be gone. Cleveland traded Ricky Davis for peanuts based on that rational.
Basically, I’d rather the team stop a mistake (AB, NY, McGee) and move on, then keep trying with the same old pieces and expect a different result. I’m not necessarily saying any of those players are mistakes, but I think there are reasons to consider them as such.
by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
just lock him up
Go get it done Ernie.
Do the franchise, yourself, him, his mum and Ted’s rebuilding plan a favour. Lock him up and hire a big man coach as well as a head coach he looks up to.
by BballBrit on Jan 20, 2012 11:12 AM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
And who do you suggest?
….as well as a head coach he looks up to.
Gheorghe Muresan, Shawn Bradley, or Mark Eaton?
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Feuding?
Pam’s’ expressed her displeasure with Flip and the organization in the media.
Has she said anything to Saunders directly? Has he said anything to her?
If not, we can’t really label what we’ve seen “feuding”; perhaps “campaigning” on her part would be more accurate.
I think people mean "Fueding" in the "Family Fued" kind of way
You know, hugging the host, and then trying to win some money for their family.
by disgrunted on Jan 20, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions 4 recs
Young wanted 9M a couple months ago
and no one is crazy enough to offer him anything close to that. JVM might think he is a max player, but no one is going to offer that to him.
Why do all our players think so much of themselves? NY is worth 9M, JVM is “the future of hte NBA,” and Crawford thinks he can be better than the other Jordan.
Didnt John also say we are better than our record?
Classic Redskins talk
I said this in the other thread the market is set for good bigmen lock him up.
Ernie tells him don’t worry about Flip things will be fine Mcgee takes the security of the known it gives Mcgee comfort knowing he doesn’t have to play for a contract and the team wants him.
Its a big win/win …..emotions about a dunk or any other nonsense with his momma are irrelevant and emotional.
we have panicked in this town before and let good bigs get away. No more pay him settle things down and build for the future.
One thing Ted says constantly is not to make emotional decisions.
I go back and forth….but I suspect Ted really wants to keep him but that Mcgee believes this organization is a failure that will never advance his career.
i mean you can't blame him but take it upon yourself as player to work together to the common goal
and you will see results n won’t have to worry about losing
by pdub117 on Jan 20, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
it's a difficult situation for any player in a contract year here because the team is so awful and has been
so often…what exactly are you supposed to buy into?
and there is not one player, NOT ONE, who isnt affected by contract years. This is their living and has potentially generational influence on their families, lives, etc.
by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
So do we have any confidence
that Ernie and Ted actually are prepared and know how they want to handle McGee’s contract situation? Do they want JaVale back? Do they have reasonable contract numbers in mind? If they don’t want him back or feel that he is too expensive compared to his skill set, do they have any plans for getting someone better to replace him? Or are they just looking for someone cheaper?
I don’t think they can afford to lose McGee, but I don’t actually feel confident about their ability/desire to retain him.
they are just gonna play it out in free agency I think Ted is in over his head
This isn’t the Caps you have gotta build with pieces Mcgee’s time is at hand thats the market . Unless they are just gonna drat another ceter and start the saga all over again with Drummond or someone else.
They can't let him walk, but they can definitely afford to lose him.
Under no circumstances can he come back next season on a 1 yr deal. That would be a complete nightmare.
if they trade him he is still an RFA for the new team I think?
Ernie will have his work cut out for him trying to make that work, because Pam..er, I mean, Javale will be able to dictate destinations like he was Dwight Howard. Minny may be the only team that would make that trade without it being a S&T
1 yr aint happening
He is going to offered 4 years at 11-12 mill per year by someone. The only question is; will the wizards match or watch him leave.
by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 12:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
watch him leave after he has finally put on 25 pounds of muscle and become top10 for TRR
ugh, just disastrous, not an easy situation for Ted
I think its an easy situation for Ted
It seems to me a couple things organizationally are happening now and gonna happen this summer.
Flip is gonna be here all season no doubt. No matter how much he frustrates people Ted doesn’t know any better right now he thinks these are just growing pains so canning Flip won’t be apparent to him till the offseason when Ernie tells him we need to make a move he’s isolating our best players (Wall,Mcgee)
Canning Flip then will ease tensions with Mcgee and any Wall has, a new draft class and a vet and give the appearance of a fresh start. Mcgee I’m guessing will stay then he knows the area likes his teamates.
The team will have to improve in the offseason Ted knows this because he’s on the clock with Wall then.
I think Ted will fire Flip in the offseason
and Ernie who has always spoken well of Mcgee will force Ted to match it. Ernie drafted Mcgee see’s him developing knows that bigs like him are not easy to find and that the team can’t afford to restart the clock with a draft pick center knowing Wall is gonna want to bolt from this mess of a franchise.
I wish Ted would fire Ted sometimes, too.
This team is such a mess. I can understand the logic of not immediately locking down the pieces on a 2-12 team, but we can’t keep hoping to draft players, then let them walk after their rookie contract, either.
there's always a shiny new toy on the horizon
Ves is averaging 2pts/2rebs and an 8 PER but droves of people are convinced he will be a force in the nba. Javale had his honeymoon too, talk of maybe being top3 player in the league etc just 2yrs ago, and on and on.
Another project Big at the top of this year’s draft and we get another few years of hoping.
“If only [fill in the blank] puts on some weight!”
“If only [fill in the blank] gets a jumpshot!”
“[Fill in the blank] tries so hard I love him!”
i’m guilty of all of that stuff as much as anyone…but man I dont know if I am ready for any big steps back, like 3-4yr project at C
Thank you!!
People need to be realistic, everybody has flaws in their game, but people only choose to highlight them when they want to. We can definitely win with this team as long as we get a few veteran shooters. I don’t mind retaining Blatche and Young, because I feel like they could contribute to a championship caliber team off the bench. JW, Vale, and maybe a Chris Singleton can be 3 starters on a future championship team. Point is i think we are at the point where we should be active in free agency as opposed to still trying to rebuild through the draft for projects.
Also is the general consensus around the league, that Hibbert is better than McGee?? just wondering because i think their numbers are similar. So why would he get a better offer according to this guy, than McGee?
Dunkgate
The sad thing about dunkgate was that it should have been called a travel by the refs. He took more than 2 steps. That’s what seperates these games from the globetrotters. Had it been called correctly, it wouldn’t have forced Flip to have to come out and rip McGee, everyone would’ve known it was a bad play. Now you’ve got Javale’s mom fired up at Flip over something that shouldn’t have been an opinion, it should’ve been a turnover in the game.
That being said, who cares about his mom, everyone’s mother sticks up for them, do you really think the Wizards organization or Flip are that offended by his mom’s comments?
ball hit the backboard so it is not traveling...
unless you are saying he took 2 steps before he tossed it to the backboard…which isn’t true…he even took a dribble before tossing the ball..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=NXlo8AgpHAQ
That was not a travel.
I think there was debate
On whether it was a double dribble. It looks like he MAY have had both hands on the ball when he first bounced it. I believe even Flip mentioned it being a DD.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Nothing
forced Flip to rip McGee, it just comes naturally to him.
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by Mike Uhrich on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
McGee might be on his way out anyways
If the Wiz dont think he will resign, they may look to trade him and then look to one of the big men coming out with their top pick (Drummond or Davis). Just hoping if they do end going that route, they get something/someone of value.
by TheRealBigMike on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 PM EST reply actions
This is what happens during the transition from disfunctional organization to functional: the disfunctional parts (Blatche, JaVale, Young) can decide to be part of the solution (if capable of doing it) or be tossed aside. So far, it looks like none of them desires to be part of the solution or are capable of leading change; so let them go. Hopefully we will get some type of scraps in return for them, which is disappointing, but that’s just the reality of what organizational change requires.
Ideally, all of them would try very hard to prove they are worthy of staying here, because the long-term situation looks pretty good and they could make us even better. They should see that we have good young players (Wall, Sing, Booker, Ves) and that good picks are on the way. It just makes them look heartless, imo, if they can’t see the possibility of building something great here. But you know what — if they really have what it takes, they would have already proven it, and we wouldn’t be in the same low position we are now. I believe it will get better though.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The longterm situation looks very good?
Based on what?!
If McGee walks we are left with Wall, 2 future NBA quality benchplayers in Booker and Singleton and a bunch of DLeague quality players.
McGee and Wall are the ONLY legit pieces we have.
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Not that bad
Future pieces that will probably work:
PG: Starter: Wall
Backup: Mack (could upgrade here with FA)
SG: Starter: Young (maybe)
Backup: Crawford (he’s looking MUCH better at SG than at PG)
SF: Starter: Singleton
Backup: Vesely (might surpass Singleton later)
PF: Starter: TBD (Vesely?)
Backup: Booker or Blatche
C: Starter: McGee (maybe)
Backup: Blatche or Seraphin or FA
So obviously McGee is important, but the long term situation doesn’t look that bad. A top 10 pick in the upcoming draft will upgrade one of our starters (hopefully).
by steadyhand on Jan 20, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
if you don't lock magee up
Don’t feed me anymore shit about building young! Magee is on of the only ones showing improvement from last year! For all the dumb mistakes, you can’t teach 7ft athletic shot blocking jump out of the gym excitement! This shit doesn’t come around often! Good luck finding that in the draft! Don’t care who it is, he ain’t gonna be magee!
by Objdadon on Jan 20, 2012 1:32 PM EST via mobile reply actions
His name is McGee dude....
I agree with your comment but come man?!
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow you guys really want to trade McGee,
just because he threw the ball off the backboard when they were losing by 4 points ( i think)… which by the way is a fairly easy dunk, im 6’4 and i can do that dunk easily. I bet McGee can do it in his sleep, its not like he tried the free throw line dunk again. Vince Carter used to do 360, windmills in games and nobody would mind….
And who can blame McGee and Young for wanting to leave this situation? The team has been bad and they don’t get the support from the fan base or coaching staff that they deserve, they probably want a new start too, just like Carlos Rogers did. In some respects it probably sucks to play here sometimes.
McGee is a top 10 center, who would you trade him for?? He has actually played well and has had quite a few big games this year. However, some fans want him gone because his Mom, who is a grownass woman, and can do what she wants, decided to talk. and because he completed a pretty easy dunk in a game, which by the way is supposed to be a form of entertainment. Some fans are never satisfied, but i guess if OKC fans can ask to trade Russell Westbrook, it shouldn’t surprise me at all that some fans want McGee gone.
by Wizkid4eva on Jan 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh... well it seems that most of the talk came after "dunkgate"
Either way unless you can get someone like dwight howard, andrew bynum, or mark gasol, which would never happen.. i dont see who would be good value for him. I don’t want a repeat of the trades for Caron and Antwan and how we basically didn’t get anything in return for them. I just don’t see why you would trade McGee unless you know he won’t come back next year and you trade him just to get something in return.
The issue is
It’s not as simple as “do you want JaVale on this team?” It’s also “do you want JaVale on this team for the price he is likely to get?”
by Mike Prada on Jan 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Additionally
The question is even more complicated if we land a pick like Drummonds, whose natural position is center. Would you rather move one of them to PF, trade McGee, or draft another person?
In my opinion, those people “dunkgate” who thinks dunkgate matters see it as part of a pattern of behavior. His crazy triple double fiasco, his attempt to dunk from the foul line and blowing it, his constant celebration of his own actions when the team is down 20+, stuff like that. I accept that rebuilding means we’re going to stink. I’m less likely to accept that we should be the laughingstock of the league while we do it.
If you're losing
People are going to laugh at you some. It’s impossible to avoid. If you’re losing and acting foolishly people are going to trash you even more. Durant’s team that lost 59 games was not “the laughingstock of the league.”
McGee did something that got national media attention and was routinely mocked. IT made the fact that we stink, worse.
But, if I was more precise I probably should have said “more of a laughingstock.”
by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Me-first antics…..
Drummond won’t “fix” that….!!
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
True
But, if Drummonds is as good as he’s projected, you’re more willing to tolerate that. If McGee was a better player, I think we’d care a lot less about some of his flaws.
if Drummunds is uninterested as some claim he'll never be great or even that good.
but i’m sure we can count on Ernie to divine his mental makeup correctly….as we are shoving EGs previous picks out the door for their attitudes.
There are very few perfect prospects
I agree with you that EG really doesn’t show a great job looking at a player’s character when making a decision and tend to be overly seduced by a player physical attributes. I don’t want to say his picks have been a bit “raider-esq” because that’s too strong, but it’s fair.
One of the reasons the Thunder were so successful is because they looked at people’s personalities and how they would fit. That’s one of hte reasons they selected Harden. The Wizard should look at the attitudes of players when making these selections.
Nevertheless, there are some players who are so good you take them with a little bit of a character issue. Rasheed Wallace, Ron Artest, and a lot of crazy players all have rings. Lazy players like Lamar Odom also have rings. I don’t think the perfect should be an enemy of the good in drafting.
I don't see why there is so much love for Andre Drummond
He has the potential of course, but McGee is more athletic than him, Drummond doesn’t even have polished offensive moves, he’s behind where Derrick Favors was when Favors was a freshman and what has Favors done in the league. When you watch his games, all he does is dunk, and he disappears way to often. Personally I want Harrison Barnes if he comes out I think he can play the 2 as well as being a dominant 3. i would have wanted Thomas Robinson but we already have enough 4s.
the price isnt really that much of an issue imo
I dont see the logic in thinking that 5/$45mill is ok but 5/$60mill could wreck the franchise. That’s $3mill/yr difference on a team loaded with rookie deals anyway. It’s the cost of doing business in the nba. This not a $120mill deal for a 28yr old player, it’s for a guy who will only be 29 at the end of the deal. Money should not affect Ted’s thinking on this one too much, imho, if he is being truthful about his willingness to spend when needed.
by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I think the thing is
that the Wiz, according to some, think DeAndre’s deal is higher than the Wiz will go, meaning that the difference could be something like, say, 5/35 vs McGee thinking he could get 5/60. That’s a big difference.
Doesn’t help that the Blatche deal didn’t work out as planned.
if they're thinking 5/35 is the market for a young Big we'll never get a quality FA in here
Haywood got 6/55 at 30 and already declining….Bigs are spendy, that’s the league
no doubt, silk robes in that locker room
but Sterling has been known as the cheapest SOB in the league FOREVER and he’s the one that just paid DeAndre
Mcgee is out of here anyway
you might as well trade him n get a young but solid vet and a lottery pick now u have two picks in the upcoming draft and wall. Theres the core ur looking for because mcgee def aint worth 4yrs. 50 mill, look at Blatche got paid and got worse. If your a true fan and know basketball you would know that this team should have been blow up from the get once they drafted Wall. Anyone who was around with that gun gate crap should have been gone n got value for them.
This whole we not playing hard n crap…where does that stem from Blatche, Nick, and Javale yu can get better by subtraction sometimes even though its hard.
I'm critical of McGee..
But, I think it’s unfair to say he doesn’t play hard. He produces a lot of tips. There are two problems with McGee’s on-court performance. First, he doesn’t play smart. Second, it’s unclear how long he can play with his asthma.
McGee plays hard. I think Young is playing harder this season than previous seasons, and all and all, I think effort wasn’t his biggest problem. AB is the real offender on effort.
Thats the same logics that lead too..
Webber for Ritchmond
R. Wallace for Rod Strickland
B. Wallace for Ike Austin
Rip Hamilton for Jerry Stackhouse
5th pick for Randy Foye & Mike Miller
We never seam to be patient. Gotta 24 year old with loads of potential but everyone wants to quit.
We traded Bulter for Brown
Sometimes it works out…
Are you saying the Grizzlies shouldn’t have gotten rid of Thabeet?
How long should a team stick with Derrick Coleman?
What about Eddy Curry? Can you wait 3+ years if you’re New York for Jenny Craig to win.
The don’t trade a young big man axiom isn’t as true as it used to be.
Mcgee is a better athlete then all of them....
thabeet is cold garbage………..Javale is careless but he plays hard and is constantly tries to improve………..he just needs a leader to guide him…
he’ll get that when he signs with golden state this off season and Mark Jackson is coaching him
by samoka10 on Jan 20, 2012 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
That's not it
At least for me. After wasting $100 million on Arenas and setting the team back many years, I think people are naturally worried about tying up a ton of money on anyone. I think in general this fanbase likes McGee, but it’s hard to declare him worth $12 million for five years. If he sucks, we have to blow it up again. That said, I agree with most people on here that we should pay the man.
im resigned to Javale leaving now but I don't think that would be terrible for the franchise.
Unlike some of you, i think Flip can actually lead this team, but is ill equipped to deal with knuckleheads (thats right Ms. McGee your son is a knucklehead: "He picks things up very, very quickly. The thing about a kid that talented and that size, you have to grab his attention."<— that quote is proof in and of itself. Apparently, you’ve got to grab his attention with magic tricks or shiny objects).
Flip’s can work with professionals (starbury went crazy AFTER minny). Take away Young, Blatche, and McGee, you end up with a team full of hard working, young, professional players. Obviously we’d lack in talent for the short term, but you would definitely benefit in the long run.
by jaffejoe on Jan 20, 2012 1:43 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm sorry but we are 2-12 and with all what has happened so far you are saying Flip is a good leader??
Or did I read your comment wrong?
Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 PM EST up reply actions
Flip's led us to longest losing streak in franchise history, longest road losing streak in franchise history
worst start to a season in franchise history…but if only Javale and Nick would leave, oh how it would all be so much better
How short can a leash be?
That’s how long Flip’s leash is, IMO. If he can beat Denver and Boston, he is probably off the hook for the time being. If we get to 2-18 or 3-20 I would think the long goodbyes will have been said.
He also
owns the lowest point total in franchise history (64 @ Chicago).
by el freako on Jan 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
People seem to be combining the issues
Flip can stink and need to be replaced. McGee and Young can stink and need to be replaced. Both can be true. Both can be false.
I think there are plenty of people that fall into a “pox on both their houses” camp.
by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm saying Flip's time in DC has not been easy...
Gun gate, the lockout…Flip, in my opinion could have engineered a good rebuild if that’s what this team actually did. Instead we kept 3 pieces from another era, who learned another offense, and picked up on a completely dysfunctional mindset. Flip’s overall record speaks for itself. You can’t succeed when three veterans of your team are jokers who don’t take the game seriously, especially when they are the most talented (wall excluded). In addition, you can’t even discipline them because your GM will just undermine your authority. Oh yea and on top of that, you draft a bunch of kids with extremely low Basketball IQs (see where im going here?)
I am not saying this mess is all Flip's fault...
But when you lose 75% of your games over two plus seasons, your time is running out
Give the dude a legitimate chance!
don’t stick him with a bunch of rejects who were originally drafted to COMPLIMENT other players!
this might be the rare occasion in the nba
where the owner faults the players and not the coach?
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:15 PM EST up reply actions
Resign McGee... he has shown continued growth through all of this turmoil we've gone through the last couple of years
Get a new coach… JaVale isn’t a trouble maker. Neither is Nick Young. Blatche is the last issue player on the roster. Get a player’s coach who is relatively stern and holds players accountable and JaVale will become the player we want to see…
I would pay for McGee if he averaged < 1 goal tend per game.
he must goal tend more shots than any other player in history.
Some of "goal tends" are Legit
According to the replays I saw, at least 2 goal-tending calls needed to be reversed. McGee will get these calls once the refs realize how high this kid can actually get.
I was going to make the same comment
I think he gets called a bunch this year because nobody else in the league could get up that high. He’s definitely doing fewer stupid goal tends this year.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jan 20, 2012 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Trading McGee
I think I’d trade McGee to Golden State for a lottery pick this year. I don’t know if we can with his status but I think I’d do it. And I’m a big Javale fan.
My reason for doing this is that I prefer the potential of this lineup -
Drummond
Lamb
Wall
to this one -
McGee
Lamb
Wall
and it’s cheaper meaning we could add some pieces around it.
Question
Who thinks John Wall will sign long term with us if we don’t resign Mcgee?
Personally I don’t.
I dont think wall cares too much for mcgee...
in fact most of the time he seems highly annoyed by him….
by jasonj on Jan 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Which brings up another question
Shouldn’t the team be paying someone that other players want to play with?
Based on his body language, he might prefer McGee not be re-signed,
particularly if we trade for Cousins.
Of course, we have no clue; we’re just guessing based on what we think we see (or want to see).
hmmm
We are going to lose Mcgee and Young this offseason but keep Blatche. No player is going to stay and play with that.
If the rumors are correct,
we’ve been trying to trade Blatche for a while.
Also
I’m not sure that’s a very strong linkage between the two. A lot of teams have a few guys on bad contracts. It’s not like people don’t want to play for hte Lakers because of Luke Walton’s contract.
by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
No one will come here if we're starting Dray at C next season, that is for sure.
but we’re so far away from even trying to get a legit, impact FA in here maybe it doesnt even matter for the next 2-3yrs
No team wants to trade for Blatche...no elite player wants to play with him
A soft big man with no vertical who gives effort 1 out of every 6 games……
Mcgee will leave this offseason
Young will leave this offseason
We will overpay for Jeff Green
Wall will demand a trade within the next 2 years
We will be drafting lottery picks for the next decade
Seriously, how many times has Javale been called for goal-tending this year?
Does the NBA keep that stat? If so, how does he compare to the worst offenders of all time?
I get it that he can jump high, but most of those “questionable” calls are actually goal tends. PLUS, he will goal tend a shot off the backboard that has no chance of going in after someone else commits a foul. It’s really laughable how little he seems to be able to control the impulse to show everyone how high he gets up.
Some of those calls are legit bad calls and some are legit goal tends. I think it is hard because he is something the league has not seen to often. and the referees may not know how to call a guy that can just snatch a ball out of the air with one hand. Just my opinion
by Shawn-Paul Muth on Jan 20, 2012 4:32 PM EST up reply actions
I am so sick
Of this team and its fans who want to get rid of everyone and think that the grass is greener on the other side! I am sick of all this trade Javale or “let him walk” talk. The Wizards are lucky to have a talent like Javale. He makes his mistakes (some boneheaded) but he is young and will do these things. He was raw when we got him and has only gotten significant playing time over the past couple of years. I am tired of “MY” Wizards being a minor league team for breeding the fringe talent that we do have and sending him off so that another team can benefit!
For all those that want to trade McGee, I ask these simple questions:
1. If we let him go, who is our center of the future?
2. Don’t give me this Andre Drummond nonsense, how do you know he will pan out?
3. Who in this league rignt now can come in and do a better job than what McGee is doing for us? (Follow-up) And if that person is out there, does he want to come here?
I would hate to work for some of you on this board! I know that If I made a mistake, you would want to fire me the first chance you get.
I love what McGee can do now! He has a skill-set that “No One” in this league has (not even DeAndre Jordan) and yet we want to get rid of him in hopes that we can find some serviceable center for the forseable future??
I am as hurt as you are that my team is underperforming right now, however, I do believe that Javale is a core piece to this rebuild. He will be a star in this league and I for one hope that it happens here!!!
by KonartistNupe on Jan 20, 2012 4:40 PM EST reply actions 3 recs
Someone who knows how to play the position and can rebound. He doesn’t have to be athletic because of the athletic studs he will be surrounded with (Booker, Sing, Ves, even Wall). We have a ton of money to buy a center, though he will be overpriced, even if we take Drummond who would be a back-up. I’d rather have any of these players than a JaVale who doesn’t want to be here, Pick in any order:
Cousins (a dream trade, unlikely); Gortat (dream Suns trade); Kaman (free agent); Camby (free agent); must overpay these restricted free agents but still worth a try: Brook Lopez (most likely of these three), Monroe, Hibbert. There may be others, especially if someone wants Lewis’s contract around the trade deadline. Barring a trade, we are going to buy out Lewis, amnesty Blatche, and have a ton of money to sign a player if we want.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
konartis
preach brother! instead of keeping homegrown talent, we are going to overpay chris kaman? smh
There are other options if you don’t like that one; it’s just a list. nsmh
by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
javale and nick,
Wizards you’re making a big mistake,it’s gonna come back to haunt
Tina Gary
Nick is Gone but Javale can be resigned
Nick’s kind (shooters) are dime a dozen. Javale tho can be that once in a generation talent. NO WAY should we let him go. especially w/out something substantial in return.
if good shooters are a dime a dozen, how come we only have one?
or two if you count the guy that costs $22mill?
It's hard to underestimate the Wiz shooting guards
This is slightly off topic, but the Wiz are respectable at 3 and 1/2 positions. But they are truly terrible at shooting guard. Even a mediocre shooting guard to replace the Terrible 2s (Nick and Crawford) would be the equivalent of adding a superstar at any other position. Finding a shooting guard to rebound and make some passes (while taking fewer bad shots) would be a massive upgrade. Do it Ernie. We’ve already got the lottery pick wrapped up, so no worries there.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 20, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions
Yup
http://www.bulletsforever.com/2012/1/14/2706720/wizards-need-jeremy-lamb
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB






















