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This honestly explains so much about JaVale, good and bad.

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Yep

Not if Mama McGee has anything to say about it….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Wow, Pam laid the cold hard smack down on the Wizards

I remember before she was demanding he be traded. This looks very bad for the organization and she is absolutely right about everything she said. Plus, now there will be pressure to re-up McGee when we’re not sure what effect a big contract will have on him. I say max him out and amnesty Blatche. Oh, and you’re right Pam, Flip needs to go. This is the NBA. Your best player hates the coach. Who usually wins in these kinds of disputes?

by Unselds on Jan 20, 2012 10:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Did I misread this?

Or did Javale’s agent actually claim the club would only get a big man coach for Javale if he payed for it??
That looks really bad

by Llamaman on Jan 19, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

good point

but thats kinda an all or nothing isn’t it?

by Llamaman on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

on the surface yes.

but agents try to negotiate things, and like we saw in the NBA lockout, they will throw something that sounds hard line in the beginning, and often they soften up to what they really want for their clients. the Wizards will pay some money for a special assistant, but it’s not totally unexpected if they believe McGee needs to pay some too if it’s clear that only one guy benefits.

by thewiz06 on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

The wizards didn't deny it...

so how does that make it worse?

Here is the actual text…


Asked if she addressed the concerns with anyone, she nods yes (JaVale’s agent said it would come at McGees’ expense). The club maintains that assistant coach Don Zierden acts as a big-man coach for JaVale and other post players, and they were unaware of Pamela’s specific concerns.

not sure what you meant here…

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's really pathetic

How many times did we say the organization should hire a bigman coach?! We thought it was bad but somewhere, deep down, we trusted that this is a professional basketball organization.

Fail.

Ted should be ashamed of his organization

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

You read right....

Don Zierden is supposed to be the Wizards big man coach


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Yeah – THAT Don Zierden – you know, the one dwarfed by the WNBA player in the picture…. He’s the Wizards big man Coach.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Wow

No wonder the Wizards have a plethora of big men with wonderful low post moves…..

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 9:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Nope...

That’s Simone Augustus — all 6’0" of her….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Uh....

the point is that Zierden is the Wizards big man coach…. and he is dwarfed by a 6-foot nothing WNBA player….

Meanwhile, Dwight Howard is tutored by Hakeem and Bynum has Jabbar for a teacher…

How many sky hooks has Don Zierden made over a Hall of Fame center? How many picks has he set in the NBA? How many points has he scored in the post?

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

How can the Wizards seriously think

that a 5’8" Coach can teach a 7’2" Center the intricacies of Post play? How can a 5’8" Coach tell that player “this is how I did it”?

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

in football we see a lot of college QB's turning into lineman coaches, etc. That's the only parallel I can think of here.

in hoops everyone has to dribble, shoot, and pass at some level. In football I don’t know how that just happens.

Steelers HC Mike Tomlin was a WR at William and Mary, and was a defensive backs coach and coordinator for his coaching career.

Navy HC Ken Niumatalolo was a QB in college, but was a lineman coach immediately before becoming the head coach. I’m pretty sure there are plenty of other basketball coaches who are in this type of position too even at good programs.

by thewiz06 on Jan 19, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions  

None of that

Translates to Rook’s point. In football, it is normal for a guy to coach the position he went against while playing. He knows how to what to do to beat that position. Zierden has never played as, or against, a high caliber big man. Which makes it utterly ridiculous that he would be coaching them. You want a football analogy? How about a kicker teaching defensive backs coverage techniques? Or a punter showing a DE swim moves?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:38 PM EST up reply actions  

somehow

generations of players bettered themselves and became elite learning at the hands of non-elite players. Its hilarious to me that people can actually sit and think a guy has to be a big man and have played at a high level to be a good teacher. I have no idea if Zierden is a good coach or not. But saying that its impossible because he’s short is beyond myopic.

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

well half the fanbase at least thinks Mcgee is a failure

and Seraphin is currently logging zero minutes. How is Zierden doing?

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 4:28 PM EST up reply actions  

I’d have to observe him teaching to say. Without that I’d be putting everything on the teacher and nothing on the student. I’m not one to assume that he’s horrible because a person like JaVale McGee isn’t an All Star yet.

I don’t see JVM as a failure either. He’s exactly what i thought he was coming out of Neveda. I said it then that he’ll take every second of his rookie contract to figure things out. We’re closing in on that time. He’s still improving.

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 4:54 PM EST up reply actions  

First of all

It is hard to duplicate experience. No, height doesn’t have a ton to do with it. I am 6’1, and I was a pretty damned good post player in my prime. Of course, I’m talking High School and playground level. But, the point is, I did it. I know a lot do the little things that go into being a good post player, and I’ve taught them as a Rec coach. So no, I don’t believe you need to be a “big time player” to know how to play in the post.
Now, all that said, let me ask you this. Before you dismiss it as absurd that people are clamoring for a big man coach in this team, tell me how the CURRENT coaching staff is doing in teaching these guys? We have been one of the worst teams in post play over the past two years ( at least). You really think this coaching staff is gettin fit done?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i know

5’11 here yet for some reason I have more post moves than my 6’5 buddies. Glad you agree with me there.

I didn’t dismiss people clamoring for a big man coach. I dismissed the ones who only bring up former MVP types as potential coaches and those that think a good coach HAS to be a certain height to coach these positions. I was the guy clamoring for Kurt Thomas, Jeff Foster et al to be added to the roster. I believe peer learning does as much or more good at the professional level.

As for current coaches, I’d start with what hand they were dealt. Which player had any type of post game when they arrived? Booker. And? Seraphin had some when he arrived as well, but we all know he was still quite raw. So… yeah. We have been bad in the post because Ernie doesn’t prioritize playing in there in player evals.

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well, as much

As it pains me to say this, I actually think Blatche has the best post moves on this team. Could he use TONS of improvement? Definitely. That’s why I said this team. And, to your point, I think some of that has to do with Antawn Jamison.
But, my point is,whether they already know what they’re doing, or not, I think they need someone who KNOWS the post game. And I’m not just talking about scoring. I’m talking intricacies of boxing out, rebounding timing, defense, etc.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Rook I've always respected you but you obviously know nothing about Don Zierden.

He was a 3x All-Star in the NBAFM. National Basketball association for midgets. Where do you think all those highlights of him doing sky-hooks over players that were foot shorter than him came from? That wasn’t Wilt…

by tw10 on Jan 19, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

When being patient during a rebuild

Turns into being a cheap owner hurting the team’s development…

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Do we know for a fact that

Orlando is paying Hakeem and L.A. is paying Kareem for their services? It could very well be that Dwight and Bynum are paying for extracurricular tutoring out of their own pockets…

by jones-y on Jan 20, 2012 10:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Orlando also

Brought in Patrick Ewing.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The best big player his last year as Lynx head coach

was Nicky Anosike, and she’s not on the Washington Mystics. And she really hasn’t been anything special last season, trust me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Minnesota_Lynx_season

by thewiz06 on Jan 19, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions  

That is so disturbing

there really just isn’t words for it. Not to disrespect this guy, who I know nothing about, but good gravy how are we supposed to take this seriously? Are we sitting on any other classified info? Next we’ll find out the shooting coach is legally blind and the athletic trainer got his doctorate from an on-line university

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:30 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Thing is, now, it's tough because there's so little practice time in this shortened season

But this is definitely a good point Pam makes and a gripe I’ve always had – why haven’t the Wizards made sure one of their assistants is a big man coach? Seems so simple, yet hasn’t happened.

The rest of her quotes, though…

by Mike Prada on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions  

interesting...it seems like they are not

locking into Love with the $60m 4yr offer being rumored…

but I think they like Williams…

I bet everyone assumes they can make an offer to McGee…

you are in the locker room, but I am picking up a “this isn’t the place for me vibe” from Javale…and this interview seems to confirm it…

You even get the sense he is working through his summer workout lessons in game…due to limited practice…

How much low post work do you see during shoot arounds? Seems like it should be a lot?

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh please

his mother was a basketball player and McGee can’t find a big man coach? Wow.

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

he shouldnt have to post-lockout

but as it says in the article he did pay for one this summer at ucla

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

He is an NBA player

he has access to the best training facilities in the country. There is nothing stopping him.

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

nothing did stop him, he paid a coach this summer.

do you want to win? KD talked about coming to practice 3hr early, what to you want to be there were some additional coaches there? Dont make this about your disdain for a certain player, it’s about the organization developing ALL their players

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Well, on that end

So can Zierden. What they can’t do is show any of these guys the intricacies of post footwork first hand.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Screw it

he’s got Muresan, the biggest of big men.

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:32 AM EST up reply actions  

During the season?

He should leave the team to work with a coach instead of the team supplying one?

Or are you asserting something different?

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 8:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, but

Why not have one on staff anyway? McGee isn’t the only big man on the team. Blatche, Seraphin, Hamady, he’ll, maybe even Booker could all benefit as well. Do that HAVE to? No. But why not maximize the rebuilding process?

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

He paid him?

Never knew that

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Even if he didn't

The point is Kobe and Lebron and Dwight Howard seeked out the help from Hakeem.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Totally different scenario's.

Kobe and Lebron aren’t “Big men”. They just wanted to learn post moves. Howard had a “big man coach” in Ewing. He just wanted to learn post scoring from one of the best ever at it.

Personally, I always hoped Flip would bring in his budy Kevin McHale. McHale had some of the best footwork in the post of anyone who ever played the game.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I'll say this much

I can confirm this: what Kyle wrote in the last sentence of this first paragraph is 100% true.

by Mike Prada on Jan 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That article does a fantastic job

Explaining how absurd some of her comments are.

by GJennings on Jan 20, 2012 3:19 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Send them Booker

but the Wiz have to have something back

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Booker for Beasly

Booker replaces Williams and the Wiz get a scorer.

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Or, the two of them seem to like Los Angeles — any possibility of helping swing a L.A.’s Howard trade and bring Bynum over here? Or, he went to school in Nevada — maybe send him over to the Suns in a package deal?

The point is that its been clear, now even more obvious, that JaVale has been using the Wizards to start off his career and he would love to be elsewhere. I mean, I don’t know where to start…dude is 23 years old and still tied to his Mama’s apron strings…that my friends is NOT what a tough-minded competitor is supposed to look like at 23 years old. Granted, we can be criticized for not employing a more established big man coach, but I don’t see guys like DeMarcus Cousins coming into the league not knowing how to play Big, or how to play period. ’Vale, well, Mama wanted him to play guard all his life, and now he still needs a coach! Jeezus…

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

JaVale To Suns for Gortat?

1. I would be in Polish Heaven.

2. Just by testing the Suns willingness to do that deal, the Wizards would learn something about McGee’s perceived value around the NBA. I would bet the Suns would not do this deal straight up… of course I suspect they couldn’t in any case because the salaries don’t match but you get the point…

Great story by Wise in any case. Pam is the NBA’s Tiger Mom, hands down!

by khrabb on Jan 20, 2012 3:03 AM EST up reply actions  

How about we hold on to McGee and take Beasley for some change?

Derrick Williams isn’t anything special to me after watching a couple of Timberwolves’ games.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Jan 19, 2012 11:59 PM EST up reply actions  

i really hope the lockout was the only thing preventing this from happening

because i’m pretty sure Ted said the whole point of this rebuild was to “develop young talent”

by jaffejoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions  

If Pamela wants to know what a culture of losing is

then I suggest she watches games her son has played in because there is 1 reason.

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

And we can say goodbye to Javale...

"I know people are making a big deal of that play," she says. "Look, JaVale does that to break up the monotony. Wouldn’t you if you were losing like this? He’s been here for four years and it’s been same ol’, same ol’. I don’t want him to get institutionalized to losing. My son is the future of the NBA. I don’t want him to be part of this culture of losing forever."

Everyone can decide for themselves how they feel about it…

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions  

I feel the same way

Even before this you kind of got the vibe that McGee was always aloof here (even though that is kind of his personality). I’m bracing myself for when we are at the “try to get back fair value” stage.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

her son is the future of the NBA?

mom is just as delusional as the son. he should leave and the Wizards should help it happen. It’s for the best of both parties.

by Staybon on Jan 29, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe they know they won't keep him

Why bother developing him then? The plan must be to bring in a big free agent and build around him with Vesely et al.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 19, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions  

This is depressing

Just shows how much of a joke this organization has been for the past couple of decades. You have an All-Star potential player, and you put almost no effort in developing him? Makes me wonder what the REAL plan is the coaching staff and Ernie.

by hibachi202 on Jan 19, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I think the plan's changed

Honestly wouldn’t be shocked if all three are gone next year and they spin it as changing the culture.

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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 20, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Smart woman

and truthfully, she makes a lot of valid points. Javale is his own man and by no means are her statements a death sentence in terms of him staying. She jus spoke that real-ish

by KurisuDevil on Jan 19, 2012 10:11 PM EST reply actions  

I personally would like to see David Robinson or Mutombo come home to DC

as a defensive coach, not just as a big man coach. Both are also really smart basketball players all around as well so they can teach these instincts to guys like John and Shelvin too. I don’t want coaches here to be here for just one player or two. They need a purpose for everyone on the team.

That said, JaVale is very fortunate to have a very supportive mom, and she is clearly his off the court mentor given her experience playing in Europe and the WNBA. Pam McGee has a right to be standing up for her baby, and I can sympathize with that. However by knucklehead, most of us are not talking about JaVale as a man, we’re talking about his basketball instincts.

by thewiz06 on Jan 19, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions  

btw-this article isn't going to make Javale and Pam any friends

and will likely feed into a certain point of view…

we can’t stay up too long…the next shoe will always drop…

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Not only that..

But it reads (to me) like her intent was if her son was gonna get dragged down by the organization, the McGee camp is going down swinging. So as if we didn’t already have our reservations about the front office, she highlights the lack of a big man coach and of course the Flip thing…just more dysfunction as if there wasn’t already enough

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Her words aren't exactly going to increase JaVale's value around the league either.

"I’ll take you back, on one condition: When I say jump, you say how high. It wasn’t about basketball; it was about life. It was about discipline."

But now . . . Let him do his own thing because he’s bored.

by MeToo on Jan 20, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

A Mother's Love

I understand Pam defending her son, but I mean, especially as a former player herself, she has to find some kind of objective criticism. Maybe she cited things that he needs to work on and it didn’t get published, and I guess that they hired a coach over the summer is an admission that he still needs to improve, but the article read almost as if she’s completely absolving him of anything.

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 19, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

When I read it, I thought immediately of Dina Lohan, except the basketball version.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Motherly love.

so I just take everything she said is biased.

by isum on Jan 19, 2012 10:21 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I dont know He was toasting Javale

on the radio on tuesday… I mean him and holden were killin him

by MurlandTerps on Jan 19, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

That's great to hear...

and I can’t wait to hear what they have to say when he’s tearing it up at GS, MN or wherever he ends up…

by koop1122 on Jan 19, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

yea but i think we're reacting precisely the way he wants to.

just think a little perspective in the midst of all the doom and gloom on this thread is necessary.

by jaffejoe on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Of course we are

And he invites you to offer your feelings from 10-2 tomorrow on 106.7 The Fan! lol

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 19, 2012 10:50 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

exactly. its all for ratings. he's killing javale one day on 106.7 then the next

he’s writing a sympathetic column on the kid. Just saying his story was based on interviews with the kid’s mother who is obviously trying to get her kid recognized and paid.

we need to stop acting like this was a purely objective article and treat it for what it is…a column.

by jaffejoe on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Wait a minute

You are blaming the “pixels” for this? I think it’s a great column. And there’s no rule that Wise has to be consistent. In fact, I prefer that he do both. It’s called journalism.

by Unselds on Jan 20, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

That explains why Javale wasn't recruited out of high school.

Everything I’ve read states Gene Banks is the big man coach.

by djnnnou on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 PM EST reply actions  

wait wha?

Yea I never knew how he didnt end up at a big time school

by MurlandTerps on Jan 19, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Shaq has said many complimentary things

about Vale lately. I wonder if he would consider getting mentored by the Diesel this summer.

The respect factor is a valid point. Gene Banks and Tony Massenburg just don’t have the resumes that make a guy want to run through a wall. Don Zierden cannot be the primary big man coach… over Banks?!?

forehead slap

by el freako on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Wait, I must be missing something here: didn’t JaVale go to COLLEGE to play NCAA basketball? And he still needs a “big man’s coach” in addition to, like, real coaches? Are people saying that he needs to learn how to play basketball before he can do what the real coach tells him?

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Didn't you hear?

Mommy’s little man is special.

by djnnnou on Jan 19, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

What do you mean by “special?”

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Dwight Howard and Andrew Bynum used a big man coach

it’s not that they need them to “learn how to play basketball”

They can use these coaches with extensive knowledge to master their crafts and become much better basketball players…. Tiger Woods doesn’t NEED Sean Foley but he uses swing coaches because he wants to continue to get better..

by koop1122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yes...that is what people are saying

He played 2 years at the University of Nevada…and was recruited as a forward because he was 6 10 at the time…

And even if he had 4 years in college, there is no NBA player that can not be helped by having a dedicated position coach. No one says Tom Brady played four years in college at QB, why does he need a QB coach.

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Michael Jordan played little in High School and came out of college early….and he seemed to have learned the game all right.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions  

He had a 4 time all star coach, former #1 pick, that played his position

to start his career…do you think that helped?

I think you just made the perfect argument for the value of a coach that actually played the position at a high level.

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

No — I think Michael was awesome before he went to UNC. It’s amazing a kid who hardly played even gets recruited there. That’s the point: either you’re a pro, or you’re not. These guys are born, not made.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions  

We aren't talking about McGee becoming Jordan though

We’re just talking about somebody that can teach him the finer points of being a post player. Like footwork, pick setting, rebounding, and some offensive post moves. Not saying he should have any traits MJ had. Just that his game could benefit from coaching. Don’t know where you’re conversation is headed.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 19, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

If Ves' jumper doesnt come along and he has no dedicated shooting coach

since the guy apparently left….watch how quickly the whole fanbase will be up in arms. IMO this is really core issue for the Wiz, player development has been questioned for years and years…at some point it starts to lean towards some of the criticism looking valid

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's very true...

my roommate is a sixers fan and we talk all the time about players I wish we had but he makes a valid point that if they were wizards… they probably wouldnt turn out as well… or atleast their progress would be delayed by a few years. Same thing goes with the Redskins. Losing culture and don’t develop young talent

by koop1122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:07 AM EST up reply actions  

And I thought I added this..but he played center at Nevada

the point being that 2 years in college does not automatically provide one with all of the skill required to play center in the NBA.

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude didn’t even go to college and he knew how to play OK. He had the head and the heart for it, is the underlying thing that made him a good player; some other players lack what it takes, and no amount of coaching will change that…no matter if your parents were pros or coaches, or you went to college, or are currently surrounded by other great players, you’ve still gotta have the head and the heart for it.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 PM EST up reply actions  

what does one of the top 20 players of all time have to do

with Javale McGee?

I still don’t get it. Unless you are somehow implying that if someone doesn’t perform like Moses Malone or Michael Jordan, they are uncoachable and useless.

You can argue about heart, head, etc..but I thought this was a discussion about whether a big man coach would help Javale McGee’s development. You seem to be arguing that if a player doesn’t go to college “Malone”, or if they do “Michael Jordan”, either way they don’t need a coach because you either have head and heart or you don’t.

Seems like an odd argument…

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Some others were commenting on whether or not he’s going to stay here, given his level of skill. That’s where I was going. I think the fact that many think he needs remedial instruction demonstrates the current level of his skill-set and his potential as well. I think what you see is what you get, regardless of whether or not he gets remedial coaching, either here or elsewhere.

But regarding your line of argument: yes, if we were dealing with a pee-wee league player, an eighth-grader, then I would agree the kid would need some individualized coaching in order to learn the game. EXCEPT: we are dealing with a pro player, who has been coached for years, and who still doesn’t get it. So the arguments in favor of a “big man” coach are missing the obvious.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok...I assume for consistency...you also think

John Wall does not need a individualize PG coach.

Correct.

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly....which is why I am wondering

if TBone believes Wall, who many would say is more talented, is helped by a dedicated postion coach, since he believe McGee does not need one and it is a negative if does need one.

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions  

And by the way... a Big Man coach is there to teach

remedial lessons….most positions coaches are there to teach advanced techniques. Maybe the assumption is the you think when people refer to a big man coach, they mean playing center 101. I am pretty sure that isn’t the point.

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions  

do you want to win or not?

Are you against Wall having a dedicated shooting coach? Remember the year we had Hopla and everybody’s FT% went through the roof…was that a bad thing since they all played ncaa already?

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions  

And not JUST their Free Throw percentages went up...

The Wizards shooting in general went up the year Hopla was here…..

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 19, 2012 11:29 PM EST up reply actions  

I always wondered

why we let him walk, because the entire team shot the lights out that year. I got the feeling that he was a bit of an NBA nomad, I believe that he was with Toronto the year before us when they had all of those great shooters. Too bad we couldn’t keep him around.

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:37 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe its time for Leonsis to buy Wizard 1

a deluxe airliner to go meet with prospects to tell them how much money they will be paid.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Haven't you ever heard

Of Pete Newell? Many, MANY big time NBA big men attended his “camps”. If Shaq and Hakeem aren’t beyond having a “big man coach”, then Javale McGee DEFINITELY isn’t.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm glad Wise wrote this- the Wiz needed to be called out on big man coaching...

… or lack thereof.

The answer to the question of why the Wiz didn’t bring in a real big man coach was always “Gene Banks is the guy.” Well, WTF? If he was so great at it, then why isn’t he still doing it?

by goober nackulum on Jan 19, 2012 10:33 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with Verything said by Pam Mcgee in the article

But there is no way in hell his mom should ever be saying this to a member of the press. This is one of those teachable moments where she has to let her son grin and bear it and fight his way past this made up hype of a story.

Mcgee should have screamed mom NOOO don’t do this.

Flip will be revealed to be a bad coach in time. You never want your mom as a pro athlete coming to your defense to the local paper.

I am a Javale guy he’s a good kid a hard worker.

The article is still right about what Flip has done and what the organizational infrastructure is lacking.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Flip on 980

Flip noted that Javale averaged 6 min as a freshman, 20 min as a sophomore, and his mom just noted that he was late to the game as a serious player. The Wizards need to give him a respected actual big man who can coach the pivot to develop him. This is really an organizational problem. Ask yourself, who is the last player the Wiz/Bullets actually developed? Gil was a self starter, Caron and Antwan are who they were. Nobody here develops, and all we do is rip them individually.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 10:38 PM EST reply actions   3 recs

OK – so you’re an NCAA coach and you’ve got this 7-foot, athletic freak who can jump to the moon and you can’t find minutes to play him. How could that be? Hmmmmmm.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions  

college ball is different than it used to be with the new restrictions put on coaches during the week

back in the day Hakeem, Ewing and others had coaches working with them many hours a day as long as they wanted so they could develop players individually.

not like that anymore. Coaches only get what 20 hours a week with the kids now.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 10:47 PM EST up reply actions  

20 hours a week is a lot to teach an athlete how to play a friggin’ sport. I could learn to play the trombone if I was forced to take lessons for 20 hours a week — and I’m not even a musician.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

you have to coach the whole team not just one guy man. back in the day when I played d-1 college hoops.

the coaches could give you individual work as much as you could stand depending on the program.

Not anymore. they spend all their time training, coaching implementing gameplans.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry, I just don’t believe that D-1 programs don’t have time to devote one of their several coaches to give individualized instruction to some of the players when they need it. There’s also tons of time that they can practice what they’ve learned on their own, if they care to.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 19, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions  

they don't get the time man. they gotta recruit coach all kinds of stuff

a young neophyte college kid left to his own devises is gonna only incrementally improve thats if he knows exactly what the hell he should be practicing.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you arguing that he shouldn't need a coach?

If so, why do the Wizards have one?

Why does everyone have a dedicated position coach in football?

Take Javale McGee out of the equation. What point are you trying to make about coaching? Should John Wall not have Sam Cassell to teach him the nuances of being a PG because he went to a D-1 college?

Can you help us understand your position on the value of position specific coaches in the NBA?

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

You’re bringing up the need for research that I’m not willing to do. You may be correct that every team in the NBA has dedicated position coaches. If that’s true, then I stand corrected because the Wizards do not have a coach dedicated only to JaVale’s position (or at least, I have not read that they do). But neither is Cassell a coach dedicated ONLY to Wall.

My belief is that first and foremost you want good, all-around coaches who can coach everybody. A coach with positional expertise is helpful — and to the degree that the Wizards do not have ANYBODY on their team who can coach big man skills, then they would be making a mistake. But do you really think no one or any of the coaches knows how to coach a big man? You seriously think you’ve got to have a Hakeem Olajuwon or a Ewing on staff in order to capably coach a professional big man? Is basketball calculus or applied physics? OK, maybe that’s the way it is in the NBA these days — I don’t think so, but correct me if I’m wrong.

by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

you need to have people who are getting results.

arguably the biggest improvement mcgee has shown is from the summer he hired ucla’s coach and didnt see gene banks for 6 months. Seraphin flat out sucks, has not developed at all. Is Ernie picking lousy players or does the org not develop them well? Both? Questions that need answering or the team is joke not headed anywhere

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Think about

Everything you just said, and then think about the team you’re talking about.

But do you really think no one or any of the coaches knows how to coach a big man? You seriously think you’ve got to have a Hakeem Olajuwon or a Ewing on staff in order to capably coach a professional big man?

No, I don’t. Because we have had some of the worst post play in the league the last two years. Do you NEED a Olajuwan or Ewing? No. But if you have such little talent in the post, how can it hurt? Flip bought the whole team iPads a few years ago to help them learn the play book. Did they NEED them? No, but he thought it would help. Know what would help more? Someone who actually knows the position teaching a guy to play it.

Yes, this coaching staff (supposedly) knows how to teach basketball. But that doesn’t mean they know how to teach all aspects.

I am a very good driver, and I’m teaching my daughter how to drive now. However, if she decided she wanted to drive a tractor trailer, I would probably get someone else to teach her that.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

okay....

if you were forced to take lessons you would become an okay player… you wouldnt be one of the best in the world… Javale is playing at the highest stage, whats wrong with dong everything to maximize your talent. Dirk Nowitzki still goes to his old shooting coach for tips on how to perfect his jumper…. If the wizards are dedicated to winning there is no reason why they shouldn’t get a big man coach for Javale, a shooting coach for Wall, etc. Its not an indictment on them, it just shows that even the best can improve.

by Wizkid4eva on Jan 19, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

a big man coach for ALL the Bigs

people get hung up on this because it sounds like a “Javale” issue…it’s not, he’s not the only big on the team and he’s not the only guy we have that could benefit

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

Yup

That’s honestly the only legitimate point I think Pam made. Everything else is kind of silly.

by Mike Prada on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

i think her comments about a losing organization are very important.

Because it IS the perception of the franchise and how it is run, whether we disagree or not. People all around the nba and players too see us in a negative light…that is an actual problem imo

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Why are people disregarding with what she said?

We love our team, but lets not be homers. Lets hold Ted’s feet to the fire and not just blindly accept the appearance of a winning plan. I think what she says raises serious questions and confirms many of our own criticisms from afar. It’s a shame that mommy has to say it, but I think she’s dead on.

by Unselds on Jan 20, 2012 10:40 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

I concur

I dont think there is really a good excuse for them to not have a dedicated big man coach, but there is little to stop him for hiring his own every summer. He has a lot to gain (professionally and financially) by hiring his own coach every year, if it comes to that.

The rest seems like a last ditch effort to get him signed to an extension by the 25th. Given the timing, to me, it seems like she is saying lock him down now, or he’s gone forever.

by dalek on Jan 20, 2012 10:54 AM EST up reply actions  

i suspect she truly does not want him staying here

obviously she has an overblown idea of his talents (perfectly natural for a Mom), so she really, really believes he is being held back by the most loser dysfunctional franchise in the nba (which is exactly how people think of the wizards)

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

None of our bigs are getting the coaching they need

you’d think Seraphin vesely, Blatche Mcgee Hamady, and Booker could all use the services of a bigman coach.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions  

we draft the rawest players ernie can get his hands on

the more coaching the better, period.

hell, Seraphin absolutely sucks and hasnt developed at all. Was Ernie just completely wrong about him or is the org lacking a little bit in development?

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's worse

Ernie drafts he rawest players he can get his hands on and then he doens’t hire coaches to develop them.

Sigh

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly!

Those are my sentiments as well.

by Jaba on Jan 20, 2012 5:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Vesely

Is the latest to receive insufficient coaching, with his shooting coach who overhauled his shooting motion and left 3 days later. The Wiz should hire the same guy they had for one year when Haywood free throw %age went up and the team as whole shot up. I believe he went to Toronto then Dallas. We had him as a consultant and they gave him a full time gig.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 10:43 PM EST reply actions  

Dave Hopla

i’m surprised Jan’s coach is already gone

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Take a minute to read that sentence again
with his shooting coach who overhauled his shooting motion and left 3 days later.

My god…..
You bring a kid over to from the otherside of the world, you tell him he can’t shoot and that he needs to unlearn what he has done his whole life, learn a new shooting motion and then the dudes who helpes him leaves after 3 days…… Now, he can’t hit anything anymore and he has just stopped taking ANY jumpshots at all because he clearly lost all confidence in it.

GREAT F#@!NG JOB OF DEVELOPING ERNIE!

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Mcgee is trending fine as a player

He’s learning and getting better. The thing you can’t teach that he has is motor very active player. Those sorta guys just need to learn how to use the energy they have.

I could tell the hub bub of Dunkgate got to him in the game yesterday hurt his confidence. Mcgee leared a valuable lesson a vet coach will use you to distract folks from the horrible job he’s doing.

Mcgee has gotta do what they ask of him until he gets someone who believes in him to evelop him.

He’s gotta get to that space where he plays within himself and blocks out everything and just gives honest effort not let the coach frustrate him with the jerking, or lack of play calls or anything else.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 10:45 PM EST reply actions  

I just remember Dwight Howard and his first years in the league....

everybody was saying that he was a good player but had no offensive moves besides the dunk… he worked with Ewing for awhile and now he is without question the best big man in the league, arguably offensively and defensively. If Javale gets a coach, I don’t see why he can’t make the same jump Dwight did, maybe not the best big but definitely top 3-5

by Wizkid4eva on Jan 19, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Evidently, Ewing, who's an assistant with Orlando, wasn't enough.

The last few summers he has worked a bit with Hakeem (at his own cost, I think).

But I definitely agree, a big man coach who is a big man would probably help all our bigs develop.

by MeToo on Jan 20, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

That's because

Hakeem was a better post player.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

That Nevada team

Had Ramon Sessions and Nick Fazekas. Javale is raw now what do you think he was then?

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

One, I'm not surprised at all she comes off as this kind of woman.

I always thought that’s been the root of Javale’s personality.

And two, I am kind of embarrassed for this team. Invest some money back into Javale. Hire a big man coach that can teach him and the rest of the bigs some of the finer points of being an NBA big man. Literally no negatives can come out of that from a basketball standpoint. So it comes down to Ted just isn’t spending the money.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 19, 2012 10:51 PM EST reply actions  

his MOM is ripping the organization in defense of her son.

Imagine if your Mom showed up at your work and shat on your boss and the company?

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

is a horrible thing to do she should have never went there

but the fact she knows the game played at a high level and coaches makes her different. But its still his moms and you never want your mom with the rolling pin chasing the coach talking bout leave my son alone lol

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions  

JaVale is 24. He's young but he's a grown man.

She makes some good points and with her experience you have to respect what she says. But you never want your mom (or dad, or any other kind of legal guardian) publicly ripping your bosses and your company, especially when your company is composed of only 13-15 other guys about your age and you hang out everyday. And you are all (regional) celebrities. Bad for the team, and bad for JaVale.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's irrelivant and imho the wrong thing to focus on here.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

lol so its because his MOM said something,

so if Archie Manning came and went off on the colts or giants organization it would be different right??

by Wizkid4eva on Jan 19, 2012 11:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yes and No, but

1) You gotta remember these things differ from situation to situation based on family dynamics and personalities and such. 2) Archie Manning’s sons are Super Bowl winner QBs who are at the very top of their game. JaVale McGee is….not so muc h.

by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jan 20, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

they weren't

When Eli was coming out and Archie was steering him away from San Diego. Even then as Archie acted as concerned parent, part agent, etc he did so with class and respect for the Chargers. Pam on the other hand…

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 12:20 PM EST up reply actions  

?

Why does Flip jerk Javale in an instant, but not Blatche for never rotating, blocking out, challenging anyone at the rim or Wall for continuously going over the pick on PnR and creating easy penetration into the lane or continuously missing point blank lay ups. We have two players that show any resemblance of special NBA talent (Wall and McGee), Wall has Cassell and McGee has Gene Banks and Zierdan give me a break. Cassell game is unquestioned but could not be more different than Wall’s skill set.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 10:55 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

players are treated different on teams from boys club to the nba

but to espouse certain principals as related to culture but never make those corrections to other gross violaters is just wrong.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Tough Love

I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and I think Flip is showing tough love for McGee. He knows McGee has potential. I think he expects more out of him and thinks he need to be tough on him. Maybe he has just given up on Blatche. I hope that we keep McGee and develop him properly. It does make sense to keep letting good players go and start over again and again. And yes, I think the coach should have called him out on the back court shot. I was at the game and thought “why” would he do that. So cut out the silly stuff and take your craft serious – work hard and be a professional. Go play after work hours!

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by WizardFan on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

To take the other side of this

Teaching how to shoot a free throw or hook shot should be within the capacity of a professional coach, Patrick Ewing or not. Hiring somebody full-time for that sort of job seems like overkill.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 19, 2012 10:57 PM EST reply actions  

Why do you think the NFL has position specific coaches?

Or put another way, what if Sam Cassell was fired and Patrick Ewing was hired? Would you believe he was the appropriate coach for John Wall, or would you think having a coach to work with Wall was overkill.

Honest question…

by DavidDunn on Jan 19, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions  

how often have people cited Sam as a great thing because he was such an effective PG for years

and can supposedly mentor Wall? If it’s true for PGs it’s true for Bigs too

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:08 PM EST up reply actions  

the thing is...

We’re debating spending 40-?? Million on McGee, making him part of this team for quite a while. Isn’t it worth paying a special assistant coach 200K a year, or whatever they make? Seems like it could be a good investment.

Since Ted charges up to 2K for some of tickets, according to his blog, I’m sure he could afford it if he wanted to.

by dalek on Jan 20, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Exactly.

That goes for hiring someone last yr for Seraphin too instead of letting him figuring out everything on his own in a foreign country a million miles from home. I know a 20 yr old millionair is a grown man and a professional but that’s not relevant.

As an organization you should do every thing to maximize your investment

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Again, have you watched this team?

Do you really think ANY sort of basketball teaching could really qualify as “overkill”? We’re not talking about the Lakers or Celtics here.

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

The footwork of a good big man is a special thing.

Thats why you don’t see it often, it’s more than a hook shot, its the floor game of a pivot which is all encompassing and different than a perimeter player. Shooting is essential and its not just free throws.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 11:00 PM EST reply actions  

It seems like you're responding to something in the thread, but I'm not sure what

If so, can you please use the “reply” function?

If this was it’s own individual thought, I apologize

by jakenbake on Jan 20, 2012 9:14 AM EST up reply actions  

he was here for like two years i think, but his impact was big because

his teachings affected everyone, not just one or two players.

by thewiz06 on Jan 19, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

coaches are so critical

the ONE YEAR thibs was here we held teams to under 100pts/night, he leaves and instantly we’re back to 100+ same as for years before and ever since

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah - but that one week - WOW, what a difference !

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 20, 2012 12:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Haha

Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

by CJHutch on Jan 20, 2012 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

It was before the 2007-08 season

I believe he backed out of the deal because he got a two year deal and everyone else (including Eddie Jordan) only had one year left on their deal. He ended up becoming an assistant for the Celtics, and the rest is history.

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by Jake Whitacre on Jan 20, 2012 8:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I love Sam but..

He was never a true point, he was a scoring lead guard who could post, deadly from mid range and was crafty player.
Wall fashions himself as a true distributing point who relies on athleticism at this point in his career. Someone who could show him tempo with speed would be great. Mo Cheeks would be the type of coach needed for Wall.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 11:13 PM EST reply actions  

I love Pat too but...

He was mostly a jump shooter with decent footwork. Hire Hakeem as a consultant to work with him offseason and to provide spot work and critiques throughout the season. Pat has not developed Howard sufficiently in my opinion and his game remains unrefined with questionable footwork.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 11:16 PM EST reply actions  

Hakeem isn't coming here

I think he still spends most of the year in Jordan.

by djnnnou on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST up reply actions  

I know he doesn't want a full time gig

I said consultant for the offseason and critiques during the year. Like Idan does with Chris Paul, Melo, Brand, and others.

by therationalone on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Vesely? Seriously?

New plan is to wait 4yrs for the latest and greatest skinny jumping bean to put on enough mass to be a C? After we just waited 4yrs for our original skinny jumping bean to bulk up? No thanks.

by DCrez on Jan 19, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Grunfeld said Vesely can play the 5

thats McGees position. McGee has to think about this. 6th pick of the draft and can play my position.

by hambonejackson on Jan 19, 2012 11:23 PM EST reply actions  

Vesley has the length

and he is stronger than McGee was at 22. He is certainly better skilled. From the organizations point of view, it could end up with, well… we have Vesely.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Vesely has always been a poor rebounder and he has no post moves

he’d be a poor man’s McGee at the 5 in his prime….

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree

because there could be a question of what kind of team they are creating. They are starting to look more like Denver than Oklahoma. If they are creating a team of stars, I don’t see it. I think they like players like Vesely. He has to be developed, but if he is a motivated player, he will develop himself.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Interesting...what if two nearly identical Wizards teams played each other...

the only difference is one team has McGee at center and the other team has Ves. Which team would win TODAY?

Ves would tear McGee apart. Ves would steal the ball from poor McGee every time he touched it. Ves would box out and be in position for dunks himself. Most importantly, Ves would make his teammates better.

Of course, this Ves Wizards team couldn’t beat any other team in the NBA, just the McGee Wizards team….which is why Ves is not a threat to McGee.

by mogoman on Jan 20, 2012 8:53 AM EST up reply actions  

No chance. Vesely isn't in the same realm as McGee right now.

He definitely has potential, but McGee has probably been the #1-#2 player on this team consistently all year.

Will work for Recs.

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 20, 2012 8:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Rebound, defend, score...

Just a few little things.

Will work for Recs.

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 20, 2012 9:00 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn’t say score – it’s a push in the FT department and one of them has a jumpshot.

by addc on Jan 20, 2012 9:03 AM EST up reply actions  

You don't think McGee can score better than Vesely in their current form?

Are you serious? Have you watched any games this year?

Will work for Recs.

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 20, 2012 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

You guys can't be serious...right?

McGee is the better rebounder, shotblocker, post defender has better hands, more touch around the rim, is longer and more athletic.

I’m not saying McGee is all that, I mean his post game is a developing one at best but it speeks volumes about how suited Vesely is to play the 5

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Against other centers Ves would have a harder time boxing out...

defending and scoring. But against McGee he’d be fine because Javale relies on athelticism, whereas Ves relies on positioning, athleticism, and fundamentals. Neither of them can shoot.

by mogoman on Jan 20, 2012 9:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Am I alone in this?

Does anyone else think it’s currently a blowout who is the better NBA player – McGee or Vesely. I like Vesely and I’m not even trying to put him down. But McGee could be the 3rd best player on a championship team. He’d start in Miami immediately. Jan would never get off the bench.

Will work for Recs.

by Wieters Wieners on Jan 20, 2012 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

same absurdities were said about Seraphin last year

Jan is currently averaging 2drebs…per36! And folks think he would be a better Center, ok

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

honestly I read the question and assumed

the point was going to be the opposite. It is kind of strange to contend that a top ten player in multiple categories in the NBA would somehow be “torn apart” by a rookie that has played 7 games and is averaging 3 pts?

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

So much for the buzz of the OK game...

…I guess it’s back to reality. And reality is what Pam McGee says:

1) you develop your big-men, even if it means hiring a real big man coach. The economics of this are obvious.

2) you don’t throw your players under a bus in public. This goes not only with Javale, but everybody. In other words, you send Flip to public relations school.

3) you run 10 plays a game for McGee to make him part of the offense and develop him into another threat so Young can’t be triple teamed on every possession.

4) An adult with the Wizards (maybe it will require Leonsis) needs to get everybody in a room and hash things out in an open and constructive setting.

by Izman on Jan 19, 2012 11:28 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

3 is where I think the discontent comes from.

I think the McGee camp thinks he should be aiming to be in an area closer to the Dwight or Bynum class and thus they should be more dedicated to developing his offensive game and the organization thinks he’s a lot closer to a more athletic Tyson Chandler and should be concentrating more on doing the little things on defense. That’s a pretty fundamental difference of opinion on what they of player somebody is.

by Redford on Jan 20, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Yup.

Pam and JaVale have delusions of JaVale becoming the next Hakeem. I don’t see it happening.

JaVale’s best chance of becoming a star is to learn to play PnR with John Wall.

by yop32 on Jan 20, 2012 8:29 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just in general don't like the media in this town as far as the main outlets and the newspapers

they never really take the coaches to task strongly enough. its been like this for quite awhile. rather its the Skins or Wizards, Nationals or Caps.

all the probelms trickle down to the players. The Skins lately the only exception but the angst never seems to approach the level of discontent the fanbases have for the coaches and gm’s of the teams.

this whole area has been caught in this malaise of bad coaching and poor management. I just wish the main tv and newspapers would hold their feet to the fire the blogs do a much better job maybe its because they are more embedded with the fans.

by jazzy1 on Jan 19, 2012 11:36 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I agree completely

also don’t like how the media is so negative when things are going bad and not near as positive when things are going well (obviously there is more bad than good in this town). When it comes to players that could be apart of our future… sometimes I’m not sure why they would even want to stay here.

by koop1122 on Jan 19, 2012 11:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree, fanbases always tend to blame the coaches/managers first.

Whether the team is a long time loser, mired in mediocrity, winner that hasn’t quite gotten over the hump, or champion that always expects perfection, fanbases tend to always point the finger at some perceived coaching/mgmt. failure long before they start getting on the players. I don’t think this area is any different in that regard.

The problem I have with the sports media in DC is that they don’t really pay any attention to anything other than the Redskins unless it’s a “big deal”. Nationals, we’ll pay attention to you when Strasburg pitches, Capitals, we’ll pay attention when the playoffs come, Wizards, we’ll pay attention to you if you make the playoffs, around the draft or if something goes bad, otherwise let’s focus on which OG the Redskins should draft in the 6th round.

by Redford on Jan 20, 2012 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Just realized....

I agree that the media is too harsh on some individualy players… but actually do not agree that the media doesn’t take it out on the coaches. I’ve never actually said we need to fire Flip (although I think it has to be done if JW and JaVale don’t get along w/ him) b/c I believe that most of the time coaches get blamed when they simply do not have the talent to win. Not sure what the point is on bringing another coach in when the problem is the personel (Jordan…Tapscott…Saunders…). Losing teams I think jump quick to blame the coach when there isn’t any coaches out there that could win with that same roster.

by koop1122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Well that's obvious.

My question is how is Flip’s and John Wall’s relationship?? B/c if that’s not good than there is absolutely no reason Flip should be our coach.

by koop1122 on Jan 19, 2012 11:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think Wall's or Mcgee's relationship with Flip is very healthy

It seems like Flip is quick to just media rip on wall which is surprising. He gives him credit unlike Mcgee but he goes in on him when he doesn’t play well.

Not sure why Flip feel the need to do this and not protect his guys. especially young guys.

by jazzy1 on Jan 20, 2012 12:02 AM EST up reply actions  

That's what my feeling is I just don't know for sure if Flip and Wall have a good relationship

but if they don’t and we seriously want to rebuild around Wall and possibly McGee than there is no reason Flip should continue as our head coach.

by koop1122 on Jan 20, 2012 12:17 AM EST up reply actions  

It's mind-boggling...

how the FO doesn’t do it’s absolute best to get the most out of their investments.

GET A GOD DAMN BIG MAN COACH!

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 20, 2012 12:01 AM EST reply actions  

Part of the problem with Mama McGee's statements

is that she is acting like Kareem and Olajuwon are like mentors for these guys. They spend like a week or two working with them on their post-games over the summer. She’s acting like Kareem is there every day at practice with Bynum, when that is just not the case. A little guidance from a Hall of Fame guy of course is not going to hurt, but he should be learning from Saunders and the rest of the coaching staff. I do believe that should include a legitimate big man coach, but hell, you could make that same argument for almost every position on the team, our young guys show so little improvement.

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:45 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

As a team

I think beating the Thunder is a big improvement.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 12:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Just one game

a big game, but there is a whole lot of season left. I am trying to be optimistic, I swear that I am.

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Wins come one at a time

and the streak has to begin with 1, the loneliest number.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 12:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Playoffs are within sight

and the last 3 games were a lot better than the debacle in Philly. I know people are skeptical of Saunders, but he can bring the scrubbiest teams in to respect. His 1st season, the team he was left with after the massacre, he managed to get them to a .500 team. They finished strong last season. Listening to McGee after the Thunder game, he was talking about the future of the team. If he is leaving, he sure didn’t sound like it to me. Neither does Blatche.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 1:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I really like what you are saying

but just b/c we beat OKC I can’t forget that we’ve looked like one of the worst nba teams ever. Playoffs maybe in sight if you are talking about 2 years from now…

by koop1122 on Jan 20, 2012 1:10 AM EST up reply actions  

If you just believe enough it will happen

I think this organization has the confidence that they are close to creating a very good team. Maybe the players believe it.

by hambonejackson on Jan 20, 2012 1:22 AM EST up reply actions  

And I don't know

I just can’t seem to get behind McGee. He never has more than a handful of games every year where he plays really well, and everyone always seems to point at those and say, See, I told you he has potential! I feel like even in raw players that become dominant—Garnett and Kobe specifically come to mind—when they are still young you can see the player they are trying to be even when they are playing badly, it’s like a rough sketch of a player on the court. When I watch McGee play I watch a guy who plays like his athleticism is enough to be effective, and we all know that is fools gold. It happened to Michael Vick. He thought he could outrun and outfox everyone in the NFL and it came back to haunt him.

by seewhite on Jan 20, 2012 12:54 AM EST reply actions  

Pam may be materially correct but...

I can’t imagine it does any good for a pro athlete to have his mommy stalking the sidelines and barking on his behalf. I actually feel sorry for Javale. Had this come up before the OKC game and I’m Perkins I elbow Vale in the face instead of former biggest-weanie Blatche) and humbly suggest that he call his mom out to defend him. Game-set-match to Perkins. It’s unmanly in a man’s game.

I have a kid and I get it: she wants the best for her son. But she’s not some tigress in the jungle protecting a wounded cub—he’s a millionaire. Pam is making a calculated decision about his fortunes (and therefore hers) but forgetting that HE’s the one who’s gonna have the shit kicked out of him on the court.

It’s a bad way to do business.

by fifthstop on Jan 20, 2012 1:01 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

OK, we can concentrate on that and make a big drama about it so we can just let the Wizards continue to suck as an organization.

Sounds like a Flip Saunders tactic

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:53 AM EST up reply actions  

It happened to Lebron too

Remember him having to tell his mom to go back to her seat and sit down during a game? No big deal.

by hotplate on Jan 20, 2012 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

this woman has played the sport and knows what she's talking about

she’s not just a mom that has a son with skills, she has been there and knows what it takes also….

by dmv4life on Jan 20, 2012 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

This column made my day

How is Mcgee supposed to go back to practice around his peers after his mom just called Flip a big ol’ meanie. This article had me rolling especially when she called her lil’ Mcgee an " All Star ". Come on Ma let your boy be a man and fight his own battles.

Also this big man coach thing is way over blown. Basketball is Basketball and Mcgee still doesn’t know how to play basketball. His mental errors on the court are plain to see and while I don’t think he deserves the quick yank he gets I understand why Flip does it. Mcgee has a difficult enough time just learning how to play basketball. Now we want to overload him with a big man coach as well. He won’t know if he is coming or going.

Finally all this positional coach talk made me think about what other Wiz players need a specialist coach.

Trevor Booker – Little man with big heart coach
Jordan Crawford – One guard or two guard I have no clue help me choose coach
Andray Blatche – Only celebrate wins at the club drink at home for the losses coach
Nick Young – Giving an interview w/o sounding like a self centered douche bag coach

Any others?

by ccrun1800 on Jan 20, 2012 1:05 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

How about, “here’s your propeller cap and a ticket to a short bus out of here” coach for JaVale?

by Tbonebullets on Jan 20, 2012 1:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Getting a big man coach wouldn't be 'overloading'

It would be quite the opposite. JaVale would have, ideally, an experienced and knowledgeable big man that would take him aside and help him with the intricacies of the game. Much like a student would go to a tutor for. You have the teacher (Flip), the student (JaVale) and the tutor which we are all clamoring for because it would potentially be very beneficial for McGee get a different perspective on the game.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 20, 2012 1:17 AM EST reply actions  

Javale's issues are not intricacies of the game

Javale’s not tantalizing due to some subtle intricacies he’s not seeing and that can be corrected if only we bring the basketball version of Yoda into his midst.

He’s not doing fundamental things (like boxing out) that my eight-year old has already mastered. With his long background in b-ball and his pedigree one would think that Javale would know those things. I’m pretty sure he does and it’s a question of choice—not ignorance.

But let’s suppose he IS somehow ignorant despite his many advantages. What does that say about his apparent pedigree?

Now we’re touching a raw spot and a reason for Pam to be inflamed.

For my part, I think she did her work teaching skills—he’s clearly very skilled. The “want” is another matter though.

Either way, his mom needs keep her clap shut. I would say the same thing if Dre’s dad started spouting off.

by fifthstop on Jan 20, 2012 1:26 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Exactly the point I was making above

Mcgee is still very raw. He could be such a better player if just learned the game of basketball. Box out, rotate its the little things.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 20, 2012 1:39 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Lets not hire a coach who can teach him those things!

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 1:55 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How is McGee lazy?

He proved last summer that he has a good work ethic. He went out of his way to hire a big man coach in the summer. I don’t attribute any of his improvements this year on the coaching staff, since they couldn’t contact him all summer.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 20, 2012 7:18 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

It should be noted

that McGee’s big man coach, Scott Garson, was not a former NBA all star center or even a famous college player or even a big man. So we shouldn’t necessarily assume that being a good player makes you a good teacher. For instance, I think Michael Jordan would be a horrible teacher or coach.

by hotplate on Jan 20, 2012 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

It's pretty clear the Wizards coaching staff has done a poor job of developing players

So maybe it’s that the current group of “coaches” is just a crappy group of coaches. You can’t point at JaVale and say he’s the problem, because NONE of our players have developed. It is the organization’s job to make sure players develop. If you want to say players should be self-starters and not need the coaching help, fine – but then your FO better identify self-starters who don’t need coaching and ONLY draft those kinds of players. Pretty clearly, we’ve done the opposite. Every single player we’ve drafted under the current regime needs MAJOR assistance and for the most part would benefit greatly from position-specific coaching.

You can practice as much as you want by yourself, but if you’re practicing bad habits, you’re going to end up with poor results. The purpose of coaching is to instil good techniques and habits so you end up with good results.

by jakenbake on Jan 20, 2012 9:26 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

No offense to his mom

but she somewhat incourages him to do stupid crap and is speaking out to fuel her own ego. That’s the main feel I got from this.

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by adamvolo on Jan 20, 2012 7:28 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

Javale didn't fall far from the tree, did he?

And no, I can’t imagine her ever throwing anyone under the bus…not her players, not her coach, not her son’s coach. She would never, ever do anything like that.

Death row is filled with men whose mothers believe they are innocent, decent, little boys.

by mogoman on Jan 20, 2012 8:15 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Momma McGee won't blame her son for his shortcomings.

She’ll throw everyone else under the bus except her son – in a newspaper article, not in a meeting like she claims is the proper way to get things done.

She should compare her son to players with similar talent and skill…not Bynum and Howard. It’s laughable.

McGee entitled? Self absorbed? Yes, both of them.

by mogoman on Jan 20, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions   3 recs

She apperantly was pretty hard on her son, so I don't get your point really

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

psycho mom . . .

psycho kid . . . you’ve just lowered JaVale’s value going forward and eliminated any non-dysfunctional organization from even CONSIDERING him.

Disney World? Is that what’s next?

by dmor20 on Jan 20, 2012 8:40 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

We know Pam McGee is one of the pioneers of modern women's basketball (since the NCAA tournament came about)

I wonder how JaVale can’t translate any of mom’s playing experience and knowledge of the game into great play for us…. that’s the disconnect.

by thewiz06 on Jan 21, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I am pretty sure we are not supposed to be calling players names...on this blog at least...

or their mothers for that matter.

Follow the golden rule. Especially when you have very little basis for a particular inflammatory assertion.

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

FLIP and this organization had this coming

enough of catering to anyone. this is a team sport and no one on this team has proven that they can “carry” a team to any heights….the unprofessional behavior and integrity has been questioned on blogs for a while. This has exposed them to what people were fearing in the first place. Javale and any other player that is continuously bashed, while others are put on a pedestal, will always have their day, regardless of who’s in charge

by dmv4life on Jan 20, 2012 9:36 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

What a great leader Flip is indeed

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm embarassed for her

This is how you get a kid with this much god given ability who can’t do the simple things in a game of basketball. Its this mentality that makes JVM the leading contender for Whiner and Chief of this team.

Here’s a woman who has done almost everything there is to do win Women’s basketball, yet her son is 24 going on 15. She was a pro, but her own son lacks basic basketball IQ. She has seen the best in the world, and really thinks he’s the same as Dwight or Bynum simply because he’s her son can run and jump. Now she has her eyes set on his second contract. As a pro she understands thats where the real money is. Thats why she told him to wait on the cars and such because JV doesn’t have Lebron money…

She gives the example of punching him in his chest when he brought the ball down as a child. HE STILLS DOES IT! He bunny dribbles to gather for a dunk every chance he gets.

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 11:15 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Tough Love

I’ve been thinking about this for awhile and I think Flip is showing tough love for McGee. He knows McGee has potential. I think he expects more out of him and thinks he need to be tough on him. Maybe he has just given up on Blatche. I hope that we keep McGee and develop him properly. It does make sense to keep letting good players go and start over again and again. And yes, I think the coach should have called him out on the back court shot. I was at the game and thought "why" would he do that. So cut out the silly stuff and take your craft serious – work hard and be a professional. Go play after work hours! This goes for all of the players.

Long-Time Wizard Fan

by WizardFan on Jan 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

not buying the notion that

Flip is starting a player who won’t set picks the way he wants them to, just my $.02, but I think the whole setting picks thing is completely overblown. And if you cant get your players to set decent enough picks after 3yrs then you are a shitty coach.

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 12:06 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I mean

This doesn’t have to be an either/or thing. The coaching staff can be bad at their jobs and the player can also be at fault for not being better at these things himself.

by Mike Prada on Jan 20, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Ivan Carter was always critical of the people in JaVale's ear.

McGee is just raw but, I’m concerned about the messages he’s receiving away from the court about how great he is. I get the impression that he thinks he already has it all figured out and that’s scary because he has a long way to go. Wizards Extreme

I guess he was talking about Moms

by djnnnou on Jan 20, 2012 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

that's what, 3yrs old?

many talent edplayers feel that way initially, hell Wall said he thought it would be easy….i’ll bet missing 4 FTs and having many bad nights has changed Mcgee’s ideas about what exactly he has figured out

by DCrez on Jan 20, 2012 12:24 PM EST up reply actions  

From same interview

Javale’s Mom: Can someone please explain to me how a veteran, undersized PF is playing 30 min a game at center while my son only gets off the bench once every 5 games.

What exactly is Darius doing in practice to deserve all these minutes?

It’s going to be hard enough finding minutes next year with Brendan back, why not give my boy some minutes this year? That way he can work through his defensive lapses in meaningless March and April games this season.

Ivan Carter: This really could be Pam McGee. Had this very conversation before. Tapscott’s constant thought on this subject has been that minutes must be earned. I translate as meaning that McGee isn’t earning them. Not saying I agree, I’m just asking the questions and providing the answers. As I said in my previous post, JaVale has some serious work to do and I think it’s very important that he doesn’t learn bad habits that will become that much harder to break down the line. The kid has big-time talent and has a chance to be special.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 20, 2012 4:17 PM EST up reply actions  

wiz organization needs to take certain notions head on

“culture of losing”

“don’t develop players”

true or not, they are losing the PR battle on this big time.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:39 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

humongous grain of salt

(as has been alluded to by my many others)

it’s downright ironic that his mother, when you contrast her assessment of mcgee’s play against javale’s exhibited fundamentals on the court, is a former pro player. despite everything i should know, it always disappoints me when i realize how many people aren’t even remotely rational or objective. i should maybe cut her some slack b/c it’s her son, but, yeah no. she’d make her case much better if she wasn’t so indiscriminate.

i really liked how yop put it:

My little Johnny is brilliant, it’s all the teacher’s fault. The school should hire Einstein to teach little Johnny his 2x tables

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 12:48 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Practice makes perfect

… and what you practice matters. The one practice session that I saw last year with Gene Banks was an utter waste of time.

Teachers and coaches can make a huge difference if they are good. That’s why NBA coaches get paid so much money for results.

I look at Denver and Washington and don’t see that big of a difference in talent. But I see 10-5 record and a 2-12 record.

If the implication of your statement is that you think all of the Wizards stink and can’t be helped, then that falls on EG. On the other hand, if some of them have talent, then it’s incumbent on management to nurture and develop that talent. Flip seems to be fixated on cinnamon, the summer league and various distractions, rather than on Ted’s three main objectives for the rebuild.

by Izman on Jan 20, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

it's pointless to respond to you but

i think most educated observers would disagree with your assessment of denver vs washington, mostly because the guys playing for denver know how to play basketball.

clearly you want flip fired. you want to blame him for the shortcomings of blatche, mcgee, and young? that’s your prerogative. give me a choice between flip and those cats, i’ll side with flip.

as for ernie, he swung for the fences on athletic talent. it hasn’t panned out as well as we hoped. our guys haven’t learned how to playing winning team basketball, or are incapable of it. does that make ernie’s choices fireable offenses? debatable, but not black and white like you make it out to be. thankfully ted is capable of subtle analysis.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

McGee, Blatche and Young

Blatche had his chance and blew it. I don’t see him as a core to the rebuild. Hence, we need to make McGee a better player or we’re screwed because it is near impossible to do a complete rebuild from just one player (Wall). I think Young is replaceable, but I’d rather the GM focus on getting star players at the 3 and 4 from the draft and the FA market, and lock Young into a 3 year contract.

I agree all three of these guys present usual coaching challenges, but the alternatives are not great.

by Izman on Jan 20, 2012 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Young is replaceable

No kidding. I’m pretty sure there are 5 guys in the NBDL who could do less damage than Nick. They might even grab a rebound or – this will blow your mind – make an assist. So yes, he’s replaceable.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 20, 2012 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

hey i'd love it if we could simply MAKE mcgee a star

by setting benchmarks and getting coaches. i mean, i agree, we really really could use a star player and there is some chance mcgee could be that guy. i just think the vast majority of the responsibility for that rests with javale himself. there are plenty of guys to instruct him but there is only so much the teachers can do.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 11:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...I think the actual equivalent would be
My little Johnny is a brilliant pianist, but the have a teacher that only plays the chorus leader trying to teach his the nuances of chord progressions and finger independence. The school should hire a piano to teach bring out the best of little Johnny and his classmates that play the piano

A music teacher probably knows the theory…but it is tough to argue that a pianist of any level is not useful.

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

there's merit in what you're saying here

but i think yop’s statement is more reflective of pamela mcgee’s perspective

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 20, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

HA....the school should hire a piano!!!

I really need to use the preview button…

:)

by DavidDunn on Jan 20, 2012 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Notice how she whines about the Wizards not "running plays for him"

Why not bring up the Rockets running plays for him? When they ran pick and rolls against him and he looked lost like he was trying to do algebra?

by satchow on Jan 20, 2012 1:40 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

I don't think people take Pam all that seriously league-wide

It seems like she came across kinda weird and foolish at the dunk contest when we waved like a beauty queen and french-kissed Dr. J. I’ve even heard Bill Simmons (not a Bullets local) make fun of her. I think this is going to just make everyone look bad.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Jan 20, 2012 3:09 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

they treat her

like they treated Donovan McNabb’s mother.

by Jheiser3 on Jan 20, 2012 4:20 PM EST up reply actions  

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