Oklahoma City Thunder Provide Lessons, Not Reassurance, For Washington Wizards
The Oklahoma City Thunder are in town tonight, which gives the Wizards an opportunity to judge their rebuilding project against the team they modeled it after. That explains why Michael Lee's story in the Washington Post focuses on that very topic. Lee talked to members of the Thunder about how they were able to go from being one of the NBA's worst teams to its best in the early part of this shortened season.
There are two ways to look at the Thunder's development. The Wizards could focus on this quote from Kevin Durant if they want to feel better about their situation.
"Keep faith, man. You’ve got to go through tough stretches. I’ve been through that for two years in this league, losing a hundred games in two years. Just keep faith in your hard work and things are going to change. They have the right talent here, the front office is doing the right thing. In no time, they’ll be pretty good.
But to me, that wouldn't be smart. Instead, I'd rather they focus on this Durant quote.
Players would arrive at practice three hours early or be looked upon as outcasts. Days off from practice were considered challenges from the coaching staff to still find ways to work on their individual development and improvement.
"That’s what we hang our hat on is being hard workers," Durant said, adding that when players join the Thunder through the draft or trades, "those guys come in and see us working, and they’re kind of shocked, because we come in and want to get better every day, no matter how long the season is. Everybody is learning with each other and we got better as time went on. That’s how it is now."
It goes back to what I wrote about last year when the Thunder visited town. The Thunder had to embrace that challenge and live it even when the going got tough to get to where they are today. It didn't just happen. Right now, whether it's the fault of an organizational philosophy, its execution down on to the players or both, the Wizards are not doing the necessary things to lay a strong culture that fights through all the losing like the Thunder once did.
The Thunder simply didn't get to this point by accident. Hopefully, the Wizards understand that instead of thinking merely losing and grabbing a lot of high-lottery picks will automatically turn them into a contender down the road.
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Good post...
The key here is the effort put in, and the environment that fosters this.
Models are just that…
They all forgot about Primary Lesson #1: "Draft One of the Top 3 Players in the NBA"
Lesson #2: Lesson #1 Provides all the other players to be actually better than they are.
Would Russell Westbrook be as good without Durant? Doubt it. He would probably look like John Wall playing with a bunch of sub standard Starters.
Just wow at that second quote
Kinda puts it all in perspective. An OKC rebuild isn’t for the faint hearted.
by BballBrit on Jan 18, 2012 11:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Do we have the type of players Durant quoted on the WP below? (We have 2 players on our Roster who have refused to play in a game)
"That’s the kind of organization we built here. Give credit to Sam and those guys in the front office, who bring in guys that are character guys first and come in and buy into what we do here. Every guy that came through here has helped build this foundation. I think right now we have a good group of guys."
by jmpalomo on Jan 18, 2012 11:10 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
So who on the Wiz is going to get guys to start coming in 3hrs early or be shamed?
and maybe Ted can read this before he does his next Take
"I never talked to our guys about being young, because that’s an easy out. That’s an easy crutch to fall on."
the bottomline about the OkC “model” is that Kevin Durant is one of the truly, truly elite talents in the entire league. Physically, mentally, character…if no one on our roster is his equivalent, then we arent on their path til we get someone who is. Let’s all hope John can be that guy.
I don't care who starts it
I just want them all to do something to change their culture.
by thewiz06 on Jan 18, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Get professional basketball players on the team.
People have to get out of this baby sitter mentality. The culture changes with the players that are put on to the team. Get players who understand what it takes to win and the team will start winning. Dump the bozos.
by hambonejackson on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I think its Jordans dysfunctional kids
I look at the rest of the team and I don’t see any problem except a lack of players. Some players are going to be moved or let go because i don’t believe this team can win the way they are right now.
by hambonejackson on Jan 18, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Although
If I am the team owner I’d fire Saunders and hire Ozzy Osborne as my new HC
by hambonejackson on Jan 18, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
i would love to double down on that
if John wants to be the leader he just has to show by example at this point. Go in and work on his game in and out daily for hours before and after practice. Reep the benefits and ppl will fall in line like last game, get the ball to john and move out the way. Hopefully he can build upon that tonight
pretty sure John already does that
weren’t he and Shelvin in the gym at 3am before the season started? If summer leagues were any indication, John lives and breathes basketball. I would never say the same for Nick or Andray. I can’t see Javale coming in 3 hrs early although he’s got the talent. Although, I think that is more because of the environment he found himself in when he was drafted.
bottom line, if you get rid of Nick and Andray, you immediately get a team with the mindset KD referred to in the second quote. Probably not nearly as talented, but hardworking nonetheless.
What I got from that article
was that from the top of the roster down, guys work their ASSES off. And not in a “I’m going over there by myself to work on X” kind of way, but a “WE are going to stay HERE and work on this TOGETHER”.
I loved that John was working on stuff this summer, but he was working individually when he’s playing a team game. If John was serious about exploiting his natural abilities, he and JaVale would have been joined at the hip all summer getting their chemistry right. There is just no reason those two aren’t exploiting 85% of the 1/5’s they face with a ridiculous PnR based on natural abilities that they have and nobody else does. Except, obviously, for the fact that PnR isn’t part of Flip’s offense and that John doesn’t really seem to like JaVale very much. And therein lies the problem.
Obviously most of us have zero access to either team’s locker room, but from the outside it looks like KD and Westbrook aren’t exactly the “best” of friends – but they work together and succeed. Whatever jealousy Westbrook has of KD’s accolades, he (for the most part) keeps those feelings bottled up both on and off the court. The accolades here obviously flow to John, but the comparison can still be made – if John was willing to put aside whatever feelings of annoyance or irritation he has with JaVale and WORKED with him, BOTH guys would be much better off. Of course, maybe John has reached out and JaVale has said “Nah, I’d rather work on my post moves”. Who knows. I don’t and none of us do. But if we’re going to base our rebuild on the OKC model, we need guys with the same kind of mental fortitude and attitude of doing whatever it takes to succeed, regardless of who gets what praise and how much effort is needed.
Based on what we’ve seen so far, our culture will not allow this team to rebuild through the OKC model because we just don’t have the mind-frame to pull it off. Guys are too worried about the individual and not worried enough about the whole.
by jakenbake on Jan 18, 2012 11:22 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
the issue may be that Javale is better than John right now.
and sees himself as being able to be better than John indefinitely. Not sure if that is fixable, but a nice, long stretch of quality play from John will go a long ways towards helping team dynamic imho.
John is in a tough spot, he is a PG shooting 37% who has not hit a 3pt all season and has one of the worst Asst/TO ratios in the league……how can he REALLY take charge of a team and lead it when he’s struggling that much? As soon as he gets right, everything will look much, much better. The good news is he’s looked better lately, so hopefully it continues.
And you are 110% correct imo, the best chance for this team’s future is to get John/Javale synched up regardless of what that does to anyone else on the roster.
by DCrez on Jan 18, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
the issue is that John Wall doesn't really like low IQ players
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
going 100mph at the rim every possession is high iq ball? Sorry, I didnt realize that.
by DCrez on Jan 18, 2012 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
john isn't a low iq guy but he doesn't have the best either.
Flip also isn’t letting the guys run on offense and that works against us.
He didn't do that last season
He only started doing it this season because he realized no one on this team other than Nick or maybe Jordan can score. You can clearly tell hes frustrated with McGee being so “low IQ” during ingames because you can SEE that he is YELLING at Mcgee.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
low iq is another catchphrase imho
John has amongst the worst Asst/TO ratios of any PG in the league, he has played much of this season completely out of control, hits the deck hard like 10x a game, and really does not use screens well at all. Just because he’s John doesnt grant him “high iq” bball status. If we didnt know anything about any of these players we would not think Wall was being held back by everyone else…..all we’d think is “Wow, that PG and the C are two of the best athletes I’ve ever seen.” John’s got to really up his game and stand out as THAT guy for the team to make progress this season…. Just my $.02
by DCrez on Jan 18, 2012 1:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
First of all
I never said John had high IQ, I just said he doesnt like the ones with low IQ, and I didn’t want to call Javale stupid because he might not be, he just might have low basketball IQ.
Second, young point guards always have high to, and his low assist is because we cant score for jack. Although this season its clear hes been looking to score more than pass, it wasn’t like that last season. Evidently he did average over 10 assists for some month and had high assist numbers in general last season.
It’s true that we have two of the best athletes.. and thats what people might think but pretty much everyone who follows the NBA knows that Javale Mcgee is an airhead on the court. I mean my friends always tell me how he might be the biggest talent to go to waste in the history of NBA because of his IQ.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 1:45 PM EST up reply actions
JaVale certainly has exhibited frustrating behavior at times
That’s pretty obvious. But you always hear, and history seems to bear out fairly well – big men take longer. JaVale is learning, slowly, excruciatingly slowly sometimes, but he IS learning. A summer working on just PnR with John would have gone a LONG way in both of their development. Learning how to set a solid pick, and for John – USING that pick, how to roll, when to lob, when to bounce pass, when for John to take it to the rack – it takes time. So much time. You look at Rubio and he’s so successful in part because of a preturnatural ability to get the ball to the right guy at the right time, but also because he has ran PnR at a professional level since he was 14! If John REALLY wanted JaVale to get better, they would be working TOGETHER, not butting heads all the time. If John says “This guy can’t play, he’s got a low bball iq, I can’t deal with him” – who does that really reflect on?
by jakenbake on Jan 18, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I mean I agree that the summer work out would have gone well
I was just explaining why I think John may dislike Javale, which I do believe he does not as a person but just to play together with. I don’t really think they fit well together as of now anyway. I guess theres hope that that can change. Theres just too many question marks for that to happen.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 2:41 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know Westbrook and Durant look like best friends to me
They both put on their back packs during interviews and stuff I don’t know if that’s a team thing or so but I saw Westbrook and Durant do it, also Durant seems to like Westbrook or else Durant probably would have requested the team to trade for a pure point guard so he can take freaken 30 shots a game not Westbrook.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
They apparently had a couple spats this past year
but as long as they’re winning and work together, these spats won’t mean too much.
That's really what I was trying to say
Any disagreements they have between them – and ALL people working in groups, regardless of the setting will have disagreements – are dealt with or at least burried because they have a greater goal that they are working towards. What I see out of the group we have here so far is a lack of the collective working towards a group goal. I honestly believe the reason for this is a lack of leadership. A strong leader establishes the goal and gets everyone else in line. Ideally, leadership comes from the head coach and the best player on the team (for example: the Spurs with Pop and Duncan and the Celtics with Doc and KG, although Ray and Pierce are leaders as well). We just don’t have that kind of dynamic here yet.
Sounds like what professional basketball players do
Wait a minute… we have like a dozen of them too..
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry
I’m not sure if I’m reading this right (not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not) – but what I think you’re saying is that either we have roughly three professionals and 12 kids just out messing around without a real idea of professionalism, or that we have 12 professionals, but those guys really are largely of no consequence (read: Mo, RMJ, etc.), and 3 knucklheads that can’t get on the same page but are much more important to our future (John, JaVale, and Nick?). Can you clarify please?
I agree that this is what professionals do, though. I just don’t see the franchise as a hotbed for professionalism at this moment.
I was just being sarcastic
In the sense that you outlined basically what a professional basketball should do, and since the Wizard’s players are all professional basketball players they should be either 1. working together or 2. have a player with some kind of leadership but we have neither…. so… kinda sad but I guess such is the life of a rebuilding team.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
I wanted to tweet this post, but it references the javale post below. Noticed that most of the Tweet icons reference the post written below rather than above. Is anyone else noticing that?
Otherwise it was an awesome post.
Also,
I am referencing the tweet button from the front page, the tweet page once you enter the ‘Read More’ portion of this post references correctly.
At least we will be entertained
I would love it!
by jmpalomo on Jan 18, 2012 12:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
Guaranteed Contracts Make it Hard
I think the big change will happen this off season. Lewis is gone, Blatche seems destined to be out, as does Nick Young, which leaves only McGee (an RFA) as the most likely “pre-rebuild” era player to remain on the team. I see those subtractions as positives to the culture of the organization, simply from a “fresh start” outlook.
The ‘12 draft class presents the team with another chance to draft a player with the “right” mentality for their team. There’s lots of talent in the class, yet there isn’t a ton of separation between the top 5 players in the class (projected), making the interview process very important.
As for the rest of the players, they all seem like gym rats to me. Wall, Crawford, Singleton, Booker, Vesely, Mack, Seraphin, etc… these guys are “workers” and seem willing to put in the extra effort.
The cultural change is coming this summer, that is apparent. Flip (if he makes it that long) will be a lame duck coach and Ernie’s clock is ticking. Faces will change and the crumbles are separating themselves from the core. Ted has a front row seat for all of this and keeps a watchful eye.
by SpecialSauce on Jan 18, 2012 11:35 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
With respect to this quote:
the Wizards are not doing the necessary things to lay a strong culture that fights through all the losing like the Thunder once did.
Can you be more specific? You make it sound like either the players aren’t putting in extra work, the coaching staff/front office isn’t trying to instill that work ethic, or some combination of both. What exactly are/aren’t they doing in comparison to the Thunder?
A chain of events must occur....
…..for the Wiz to become a championship contender.
1) the owner needs to lay out a reasonable strategy (done)
2) the GM needs to assemble the talent (2-3 stars, synergistic role players) (not close)
3) the coach needs to lead and develop the players and the team (not being done effectively)
4) the best player needs to provide additional leadership by example (not clicking yet)
During this process, the team’s culture will evolve and take shape.
The bad news is that we are losing the battle on points 2 and 3 and are getting further away from reaching the end goal, not closer (and the culture has become a losing one).
by Izman on Jan 18, 2012 11:58 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I think if we somehow luck into the unibrow in the draft then pickup a decent nba veteran shooting guard it might give this franchise a chance
No to Drummond!!
Yes to the Unibrow!!! LOL
by geechy_suede on Jan 18, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Chalk Talk with Ted tonight...
Is anyone going? Mike, will you be there?
(Sorry about the off topic request…I am looking for someone to ask the community questions)
if it was easy
everybody would do it. It’s funny that people act like it’s rocket science . . . the path is there, but the current Wizards organization isn’t on it. That’s why the whole patience thing is such a joke – you could see in preseason where this was going.
Good news: change CAN happen. It’s just if we’ll be around to see it.
Fixed
Hopefully,the WizardsTed Leonsis understands that instead of thinking merely losing and grabbing a lot of high-lottery picks will automatically turn them into a co
ntender down the road.
Undertstand? Your joking right?
Ted is building this team around Andray Blatche.
We need a better owner who actually understand pro basketball.
by jmpalomo on Jan 18, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You think the owners of winning teams "actually understand pro basketball?"
I’m curious whether you seriously think that is a requirement for an owner.
And exactly what does “actually understand pro basketball” mean, in your opinion?
How about MJ?
drafter Kwame Brown. Or Wes Unseld who who botched the whole Juwan Howard signing? They know basketball.
by hambonejackson on Jan 18, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
Well
Stein reporting we are shopping Dray ‘pessimistically’ gives the lie to that statement pretty conclusively
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 18, 2012 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Blatche is not going to be on the bench until he is 29
Maybe they are not hearing offers they like now, but its only a matter of time until they agree to something. People say Saunders doesn’t like McGee and he starts.
by hambonejackson on Jan 18, 2012 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
So I've seen a bunch of people say that John doesn't like Javale...
where are yall getting this from? Because I really don’t see that at all
one BF poster says it...
and then a majority just run with it as if it’s fact. Seems to be a common theme around here sometimes.
by geechy_suede on Jan 18, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
From my perspective
Just watch how John and JaVale interact on the court. John yells at JaVale, JaVale largely ignores John.
Listen to them talk. John prettly clearly takes passive-agressive shots at JaVale (and to be fair, at other memebers of the team as well), JaVale focuses on how the “team” doesn’t look for him inside (and who has the ball in a position to feed him? John).
It’s not a foregone conclusion by any means, but just watch their body language and listen to them speak. Look at what they did over the summer – Vale hung out with Nick, John did his own thing. Short of John saying “I don’t like that fool” it seems like he’s said just about everything else.
But hey, that’s just my perspective. Like I said above, none of us are in the locker room, none of us REALLY know the personal interactions and dynamics.
I remember the video Mike posted from training camp this year
where John is bringing the ball up and has to yell at Javale to run, which he still doesn’t do anyway. Then John gets stuck picking up his dribble and has to give it to Javale and get it back. Only Javale makes a real sloppy pass and someone takes it back the other way for a layup. Still no hustle from Javale chasing back after whoever stole it from him either. I’d be frustrated to if I was John.
Well i get that, but then you could point to
pretty much every alley-oop javale has ever gotten since last year which is arguable when he became semi-recognizable last year…95% of those are from John. you could point to John helping Javale in the dunk contest. John’s the leader of the team, just because he gets on a player for walking down the court or doesn’t side with him after javale dunks off the backboard doesn’t translate to not liking him.
I admire OKC's abiltiy to quickly identify the keepers.
They’ve already moved a number of their drafted players like Jeff Green, Byron Mullens and D.J. White. The Wizards really struggle with this.
Maybe because Ernie like keeping his "projects" around
If he moved them, he wouldn’t get much, since most of his draftees have little to no value around the league. Moving a first round pick 2 years after being drafted for a second rounder (if that – I’m looking at Keveen) is a pretty clear failure when it comes to evaluating talent.
By holding on to them, he can point at them and say “Be patient! Keep waiting! They’ll be studs!”
What has Ted done that is so bad exactly?
He cleaned out the roster. He mandated a strategy – acquire talent through the draft. He got a first round pick and drafted Wall. Besides firing the coach and GM, what else should he do differently?
It is going to take TIME because its going to take DRAFT PICKS.
the issue being raised is that if you wait for all of the draft picks
to arrive to change the culture…it could be too late….
Aye, there's the rub!
Ernie, who has done some OK things tactically, is historically a bit of an enabler (hey he played college ball with Bernard King who got a free ride on a lot of questionable stuff at Tennessee, to say nothing of the later Gilbert saga…). Flip, as others have I think correctly diagnosed, is a passive-aggressive personality type…
While they are both good basketball guys, they probably are not the best combination to deal with the present situation, where cultural change is the order of the day .
He didn't fire Flip yet
Honestly that’s pretty big. He talks about changing culture but he hasn’t executed the simplest, best way to do so, which is to bring a different coach that he hires and that he likes. I’m not really saying Flip is a bad coach, I just think he’s more fit to coach a veteran team, which we are obvioulsy not. It’s not that I think he’s a bad teacher, I just think he has a short temper with prospects, which is obviously bad. He’s been saying all the right stuff, but that’s probably how he got the head coaching job in the NBA in the first place, saying all the right stuff. Obviously the results haven’t been there and it’s clear we need to go a new direction.
I think Ted isn’t firing Flip because even if he did and brought a new coach, he would still have to pay, and there’s low chance the new coach would bring immediate change anyway. Which makes complete sense to someone whos running the organization. But I think its only hurting our prospects and if we keep losing, we really need that new culture from a different coaching staff.
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 18, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
Wizards are in the spot the Sonics/Thunder were in with Durant
Durant struggled at times his 1st season looked really frustrated but stayed the course with hard work.
and began to emerge as eleite before the team started to win. Fired the coach and put a better coach in place a more disciplined detail oriented coach.
I think Wall is at the stage where Durant was and is on the verge of having his breakout this season.
We got 2 pieces with Wall and Mcgee a couple of bench role guys in Singleton, Booker and maybe Vesely.
The hard part is now we need a scorer an elite player to take a scoring burden in the draft.
Totally agree
I feel like the Wiz have a lot of good pieces, but still need to find that one guy who is capable of putting all the pieces together.
by TheRealBigMike on Jan 18, 2012 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
That second Durant quote pretty much says it all
3 hours early to practice is asking a lot, but it really does take the commitment of the team as a whole to make the effort and do the little things to get better as a team, especially when you’re talking about younger players who may not be as commited. At this point, i’m not sure if everyone on our team is on board with that. Hell, I’m not even sure if the coach is on board with that.

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