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Rockets Vs. Wizards Recap: John Wall Stars, But Gets No Help As Washington Loses, 114-106

Here's the good news from the Washington Wizards' 114-106 loss to the Houston Rockets: John Wall balled out. Wall scored 38 points in easily his best game of the year, nearly bringing the Wizards back from a double-digit deficit in the fourth quarter. The bad news: nobody helped him, and the rally eventually fizzled when other players tried to make plays. You had to know Wall's scoring binge was not a winning formula, and it wasn't in the end. Ultimately, a horrendous third quarter, featuring Samuel Dalembert owning the Wizards, ended up being too much to overcome.

More notes on the game.

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  • Nick Young's first two shots were ones I'd like to see him eliminate from his offensive game. On the first possession, he had Chandler Parsons switched onto him and still settled for a 20-foot jumper. On the next possession, he backed Kevin Martin into the post, but instead of drop-stepping for a power layup, he went to the middle and front-rimmed a fadeaway.
  • Really, really weak screen-setting by the Wizards' big men early. I know they have to screen for multiple people on the same possession, but that's no excuse for not at least standing still and getting wide.
  • Chris Singleton got the assignment to guard Kevin Martin over Nick Young and did a nice job frustrating him early. I will say this, though: Martin's struggled all year and he looks like he's pressing. I'm not sure how much of Martin's struggles were because of Singleton specifically.
  • The guards have got to give McGee some post-up opportunities. On one play, Young came off a baseline screen and held it on the wing with McGee in the post, but then drove to the middle to shoot a fadeaway for some reason. On another play, Crawford came off two screens and took a 20-foot contested shot instead of making the quick pass down low. It went in, but with McGee cleaning up so many misses, it would have been good business to get him the ball.
  • Andray Blatche did good things isolating against Patrick Patterson in the post early on, though it helped that the Rockets didn't double-team him.
  • The Wizards being shorthanded caused them to roll out a lineup of Shelvin Mack, Roger Mason, Jordan Crawford, Jan Vesely and Andray Blatche at one point. Sad thing is, unless you just play the starters more, your only choice is to replace one of those guys with Mo Evans or Kevin Seraphin. Not a lot of options there.
  • Lack of spacing hurts the Wizards' offense. It's the consequence of having Trevor Booker out there, and it hurt the Wizards on a possession out of a timeout, when Booker and Singleton got stuck right next to each other with the shot clock running down. But there are ways to mask the lack of spacing, and it involves guys actually moving, which happens far too infrequently.
  • A couple long jumpers led to the Rockets killing the Wizards on the secondary break to take control of the game. Yet another consequence of shooting long jumpers early in the shot clock. It's amazing how this keeps happening to this team.
  • The dilemma of the Rockets' small lineup surfaced late in the second quarter. McGee got caught up trying to chase Patterson out on the floor, and Patterson buried a wide-open jumper. It's tough to ask McGee to guard guys out on the floor and protect the basket. This is normally where Ronny Turiaf has value, but with him injured, the Wizards had to turn to Jan Vesely, which hurts their floor spacing and rebounding. Luckily, Vesely stepped up with solid defense on Scola, helping the Wizards to close the gap.
  • The Wizards' fast break to begin the third quarter was textbook. Wall drove to the middle to draw defenders as Singleton ran to the corner. Wall often passes there, so the Rockets' defenders starting going towards the corner. At the last minute, Wall turned and lobbed it to McGee for the slam. It was under control and properly executed, with everyone running their lanes.
  • Wasn't wild about the quick hook for Booker. I know he missed a dunk and fumbled a pass, but he played hard, and I'm not wild about punishing good effort.
  • The game got too ragged in the third quarter. The Wizards as a team often make things too difficult for themselves, whether it's taking tougher shots than required or forcing plays that aren't there. By contrast, Lowry made easy plays and Scola kept running the break for simple layups. When you don't make simple plays when simple plays are available, you can't make simple plays when simple plays are needed.
  • The set the Wizards ran out of the timeout that involved Crawford forcing a horrible shot as the Rockets put three guys on the strong side pretty much says it all.
  • The Wizards' bigs should be embarrassed by how Samuel Dalembert dominated them late in this one. He just owned Andray Blatche in the post.
  • The Rockets played that entire third quarter with a flow to their offense, with weakside action, quick passes to the wings, bigs sprinting to set screens on time and guards using them as intended. That's a team playing together. The Wizards, meanwhile, don't move with any purpose off the ball, don't swing it to the wing until the play tells them to do so, don't sprint to set their screens and don't use those screens as intended.
  • JaVale McGee throwing the ball off the backboard to himself on a one-on-zero fast break doesn't explain all those defensive breakdowns, lack of purpose offensively or needless mad dashes to the basket.
  • Have to give Crawford credit: he plays hard. He doesn't play smart all of the time, but he works.
  • Man, John Wall is fast. Man. Loved seeing him rotating quickly defensively to stop sure shots, whether it was closing out on Chase Budinger, sliding over from the weakside corner to disrupt Lowry's layup attempt or just leaping enough to bother Samuel Dalembert's baseline jumper. He's still too eager going for head fakes, but the fourth quarter showed off how disruptive he could be defensively if he can harness his natural ability.
  • Alas, Wall simply had no help. Wall tried to help Evans after Evans lost Martin on a screen, and Lowry hit a dagger three. Wall tried to let Crawford make a play, and he threw a bad bounce pass to Vesely that Vesely fumbled into Blatche's hands and out of bounds. Wall was on the weakside on another possession, and Blatche lost Dalembert on a pick and roll for a layup. Wall often plays as if he has no help when he really does. In the fourth quarter, he really had no help.

On the bright side, Wall really was outstanding, and that's reason enough to be positive. On the down side, his supporting cast let him down, and it's time to start wondering if some moves are needed to fix that supporting cast.

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Well I will watch this on DVR tonight because I am working til 7 PM tonight

but i am glad to see that we broke 100 points for the first time and Wall is trying to prove everyone wrong about him being the next Kwame.

by thewiz06 on Jan 16, 2012 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

of course not but its not his fault that this team is some booty

The only starters we have right now is john and javelle. Not booker and maybe sing. Were in a bad spot

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 16, 2012 4:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

But this performance from Wall was very encouraging

I was very down on John Wall to begin this season. We don’t need John to score 38 points every night. Hell, we don’t need him to score 25 points every night. I like the fact he picked up 8 assists. But he needs to get his teammates in good opportunites to excel and organize the offense. I like the fact the Wizards put up 106 points, that’s a good step in the right direction, and shot a respectable FG%.

This is a moral victory.

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by kingme18 on Jan 16, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Javale made a showtime play

talk to him abt it after the game, handle it. Dont bench him when u are a 1-11 team and a win is actually a possibility. This team needed a win a LOT more than it needed to see Flip come down hard on Vale

by KurisuDevil on Jan 16, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Didn't see the whole game

He got benched for it? Yet he doesn’t do the same to Dray. Sigh

Wake me up when we get a new coach in town. ZZzzzzzzz

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i agree we needed the win, but...

it wasn’t just the dunk. it was also shooting a step back fadeaway with the team down 10, and getting called for a travel and then forgetting to run back on d to get beat for a layup.

by dhall88 on Jan 16, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

But do you ever see him benching Blatche for not rotating on D?

Dalembert dominated Dray today. Why didn’t he get benched. Flip pampers all his starters except McGee. He needs to get fired.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 4:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes you're right

he should have benched Blatche as well. I will never understand the way he pampers Blatche. He basically tried to win this game 2-on-5.

by dhall88 on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes...but many of the players we have are still very young.

What kills me is that no one has really tried to teach them the right way to play the game. Flip has always had veteran teams or a solid vet who does that job.

by Aquamaneastfish on Jan 16, 2012 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly, you have to play your best players when you have a chance to win

You’re not helping him by benching him in that situation. He grows by being in clutch situations down the stretch. Flip took that opportunity away from him tonight and he took the opportunity for us as fans to see a competitive ball game down the stretch.

by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Blatche's defense was terrible

Mainly on the PNR, but it was embarrassing how he let Dalembert go off.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Why is Blatche guarding Dalembert? Shouldn't McGee be? Dalembert is a center.

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by kingme18 on Jan 16, 2012 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Well Wall is out of the funk...

And Ves got some good minutes. Jeez I thought Dray needed some rehab, but I guess that was a smokescreen.

A better coach would have gotten the W… IMO

by khrabb on Jan 16, 2012 4:42 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

i understand he wanted to sit Mcgee, ok fine

but dont just watch Dalmbert abuse Dray time after time….but Seraphin on him, hell Singleton if you want, or ves obviously…but do something COACH

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 4:49 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

How?

With all the players the Wiz have? All those guys who can put the ball in the hole? Blatche plays like dead man walking. So does Young. So does Lewis. McGee regressed some this game.Vesely plays like a player new to the NBA. Crawford and Wall were about all they really had out there. They are just overmatched right now.

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions   3 recs

This was a fun one

but it felt lost to me when Dalembert started to go off on Blatche. Uber frustrating…

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by adamvolo on Jan 16, 2012 4:48 PM EST reply actions  

Flip is the main culprit

It’s like he’s blinder than the fans. How can you not get frustrated when the head coach of the team can’t even see when a player is playing matador defense, but a FAN can. I would’ve benched him ASAP.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Not just Blatche

He couldn’t miss today, no matter who was on him. He looked like a better shooter than anyone on our team…
Blatche is still lazy though.

I like the Bullets

by K-Bro on Jan 16, 2012 5:38 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions  

But McGee made Dally shoot jumpers and hooks

Blatche let him blow by him for dunks. The effort is the main problem I have.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

wall was the best player on the court

but he’ll only look this good against teams like houston where he can get to the rim at will. he basically was a one man offense in the fourth quarter. it’s good for him to have some positive results, but he still needs to evolve.

the lineup in the third quarter was toxic and that’s when we lost the game. booker is struggling to get the easy plays to happen on offense – he seems to be pressing or something – but i also did not like the quick hook. things got worse when flip changed up the lineup

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 16, 2012 4:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think its hard for Saunders

because he is caught between winning and developing players. I see him as doing both. And then Blatche is on the block.

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One note:

Wall didn’t get outplayed today (like previous games). Dragic and Lowry COMBINED stats: 25 pts 9 asts 6 rbds on 6-19 shooting in 54 min. And obviously Wall’s numbers speak for themselves. Peace out everyone.

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by adamvolo on Jan 16, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

Flip is lost as a coach

he puts random guys on the floor regardless of the effect. Why was Evans out there Singleton was having a decent game and he disappears from the floor.

Blatche getting abused by Dalembert but coach’s ongoing dislike of Mcgee causes him to ignore blatche’s mistakes.

Vesely burning up clock I gues you can justify playing him you picked him 6th but gosh make him earn it he was an empty uniform out there who wouldn’t rebound.

but the only thing that matters is Wall to keep improving and become a superstar player. He’ll attract other players if thats the case and this team will get better.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 4:52 PM EST reply actions  

If Flip isn't fired by tomorrow...

I’m boycotting the rest of the games. I’m serious. Dude is a total loon. I don’t know he got to the EFC so many times.

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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

THE MISSION

MY NAME SAYS IT ALL. THE REVOLUTION STARTS NOW. 1-12, 5-11, UNACCEPTABLE.

Vinny & Zorn....Boudreau....Riggleman....Addition By Subtraction.

by FireFLIP on Jan 16, 2012 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not sure why I am even asking

But who would you prefer?

Please don’t give a wishlist, but realistic targets that actually might come to Washington…

by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 16, 2012 4:58 PM EST up reply actions  

i'll take Sam Cassell or Wittman the rest of the year.

it’s beyond whether Flip is doing anything right or wrong at this point he just doesnt appear connected with the team

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 5:01 PM EST up reply actions  

All I want to see if player development

I agree with everyone’s point about terrible lineups and that he doesn’t seem connected to the players. But to me, all that is secondary to player development. I’m not trying to make any statement about Flip’s player development skills, but I am just curious who you think we could get that could bring our young ones up better than Flip.

I don’t know enough about Wittman to give any meaningful response to that…maybe someone can give me a rundown on that.

But Sam Cassell…he hasn’t even been an assistant coach for 3 years! No way do I won’t someone who was in the league like 4 years ago. Not saying he won’t be a good coach one day, but I just think he needs some experience under his belt.

by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 16, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

after 3yrs, what more could he really learn from Flip?

I’m fine with Sam as interim, but they’d have to make a major turnaround to consider giving him the full gig.

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

I was just curious about this so I looked it up

For all coaches that have coached this team for over 100 games:

Flip is, by far, the worst coach in franchise history, with this franchise that is saying something. (49-115)

by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 16, 2012 5:01 PM EST reply actions  

MAKE MOVES ERNIE

SHOOTERS, SHOOTERS, SHOOTERS, SHOOTERS. AN OFFENSE THAT RELIES ON IT AND WE HAVE NONE. ITS LIKE A COACH RUNNING THE 3-4 WITHOUT THE RIGHT PERSONNEL.

Vinny & Zorn....Boudreau....Riggleman....Addition By Subtraction.

by FireFLIP on Jan 16, 2012 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

or +1s

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by Sean Fagan on Jan 16, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm not being faceious

but you guys prefer clicking action—>Rec is that correct? There was some confusion on another post

by bassguy4 on Jan 16, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

No, thank you for asking

Yes, if you like a comment. Go to action and click “rec.” That way we and you know what is popular and it is easier to get through the comments.

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by Sean Fagan on Jan 16, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I notice on your addition by subtraction list

That their replacements haven’t done any thing. The Redskins Have Allen & Shanahan to lose 11 games. The Caps aren’t really doing any better than under than did with Boudreau right now. What have the Nats done any better without Riggleman. The problem with the team is not related to Saunders. Its simply a talent gap with some it caused by an experience gap. I can see they are getting better these last 2 games. McGee had a his 1st career game against the Sixers and Wall may have had one his best games. Crawford is starting to get his sh-t together. I agree with just about everything Grunfeld and Saunders say. I think they need to get players. Some will players will go and the new ones who come in are to be better players, hopefully. If replacing 3-4 players can help this team to make a move in their division, I don’t think the Wiz will be so bad off.
I am not thrilled with their FA signings this last off season. They have plenty of cap space. I just hope the players signed this last off season is not setting a precedent for future FAs. I think the “Oklahoma Model” is a Leonsis smoke screen for the real reason he slashed payroll and hence, talent.

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Totally agree with this

We’re in the minority I think though.

by mogoman on Jan 16, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Not saying Flip should stay

but I do think that no real assessment can be made with this personnel. Might be a Marvin Lewis situation. Blatche, Young, and Crawford need to go. Somebody might have to get traded between Singleton, Booker, and Vesely. Not cause I don’t like them, but we can’t have three combo forwards with such limited offense. I’m on the fence about McGee. He looks like he’s turned a corner and is a keeper, but his immaturity is maddening and I worry about what it does to the organization if we pick him over the coach.

by gorebd on Jan 16, 2012 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And no more "wicked pixels"

Ted’s using the word pixels enough. At least I am not a fan.

by bassguy4 on Jan 16, 2012 5:21 PM EST reply actions  

pixy pixy pixy

at least we got some ball from wall

by khrabb on Jan 16, 2012 5:33 PM EST reply actions  

Understatement of the year

….“it’s time to start wondering if some moves are needed to fix that supporting cast.”

In addition to a lack of talent (hello, EG), the Wiz look like an assembly of random parts that move in random directions (hello, Flip)..

by Izman on Jan 16, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I kinda sorta gree here.

I mean we draft Singleton and Vesely both sorta the same guy. I mean Vesely is like a bigger version of Singleton with less offensive feel.

I see a shooter like Klay Thompson on the board and wonder why not.

Ernie got on Vesely very early as soon as the process started you heard we were on him. what did they see then that I’m not seeing now.

Not trying to trash vesely he’s a fine competitor but where is the skill level.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

also has Wall gotten any stronger phsyically just sorta wondering.

Doesn’t seem like he’s hit the weights much at all.

I would love to ee him at his size develop alittle bit of a Gary Payton type post game as he ages.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

LOL

McGee: “Apparently, if you get a fastbreak & throw it off backboard in the 3rdQ & you’re 1-11, you’re not supposed to do stuff like that.”

Now…he was either being sincere OR he went the complete other way with it and is saying that since we suck, whats the harm in it.

by KurisuDevil on Jan 16, 2012 6:05 PM EST reply actions  

again why is Flip harping on this sorta thing

when Mcgee the other 80% of the time is rebounding and blocking shots as the unselfish meat and potato’s acts I hardly ever hear Flip praise it but now he’s irrtated that mcgee is lobbying for the allstar game and throwing the ball on a successful dunk in the 3rd quarter of the game. Really flip.

Reminds me of the difference between Harbaugh and Singletary with the Niners. Players say Singletary was captain buzz kill and hyper critical always and Harbaugh is positive and is a reason players are playing well for him.

Flip is one of the only coaches that make the insignificant significant. Apparently no manner of bad shots missed defensive assignments and other stupid things others does qualfies as anything other than mistakes of a meat and potato variety.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Honestly

Mcgee should not be making anykind of sarcasm remarks when he is on a 1-11 team and got out played by at best a over the hill Center.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

the good news is

in saying that ina non-sincere way shows he’s not a total basketball idiot, the bad news is saying what he said, he showed that he’s an idiot

by KurisuDevil on Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

And what's funny @Kurisu

The whole Slam Dunk contest conflict comes against the one guy who totally trashed Mcgee’s triple-double classic Ii would like to hear what McHale had to say about it.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Mchale would probably echo Flip's "old school" talk

unless Shaq and Charles were in the room, then he’d say big fella pumpin up the team

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Like any other NBA coached would have approved

of the starting center in the middle of a game early in the season, still, showing off his slam dunk contest prowness.

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 6:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Am I wrong ?

I just don’t like Javale Mcgee, am I crazy don’t get me wrong dude is crazy athletic but what else does he have to offer, well against elite competition I mean he should have did Dalembert the way Dalembert did Blatche any center that has meat on their bones can easily out body Mcgee an have their way. Then the complaining get’s on my nerves too I mean you have the ability to change the game with your athleticism with rebounding, block shots, and put backs but you want to be the next coming of Kareem.

I understand he may have polished some of his game over the summer, but I think he stood out because Wall was not playing like how he played today and to this point none of the rookies have established thereselves, even last years rookies, EG not looking good buddy. I am sorry but I don’t think Mcgee is nothing more than a decent Center trust me I would like to be proven wrong, but I just don’t see it.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:09 PM EST reply actions  

what are you talking about

he averages 10 rebs and 3 blks a game

go look up all the nba’s bigmen and see how many are averaging 10 boards and 3 blocks then get back to me

Dalembert averages 7pt 7boards and 2 blks.

lets stop overreating here.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:33 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

let's address this further

so in about ten years here, Ernie has Haywood (who left once he got kinda good) and Javale as the only centers that he could get on this team and Blatche as the best power forward outside of Jamison (who i don’t really look at as a power forward, more like a tweener). so where is the real problem? In ten years he traded for the big three and nothing else, to build this team

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

True indeed

But get back to me when you can find one center in the NBA that respects McGee and also show me a game where he is not getting bounce around ping-pong style Lol really in fact go ask JWall what he thinks of McGee. I am pretty sure there is a silver lining like easy baskets inside the paint, goaltending, not getting back on D, but I feel you Jazz only reason I am grilling McGee is because most importantly he plays for the hometeam, second dude can be better than he is. I get he improved somethings over the summer and all that, but samething happen last year when he face inferior talent homie was balling, but once he got to the meat of the competiton dude checked out let’s look at the bigger pic now this is supposed to be the guy we might re-sign in the off-season and he got out played by a over-the-hill Center.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

also, i think it was pointed out that dalimbeert went off on Blatche

if the wiz were really trying to win, they should have put in their defensive stoppers, rather than watch the JWall show

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 6:49 PM EST up reply actions  

True.

But when your getting blown out again at home and you want to throw off the back board and all that where is your head, not in the game. Then dude did not get pulled till after he slacked on getting back on D and gave up the easy layup the whole bench erupted not just coach OK. Mcgee got dunked on by the rookie and Dalembert on top of the fact he was giving up easy baskets even with Booker out their he was never a factor in the game. I see we overrating our talent or lack their of. JWall cannot talk 38pts, 8 assts, 6 reb, 4 stl, and 1 block. JWall been doing this and he will continue to do so for somebody else if we don’t get him some help.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:57 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

if you can't see the favoritism whats the point (jaded eyes)

he benched him for the rest of the game. he would never do that to wall, blatche or lewis. this coach is lost, has lost, and will continue to lose until someone reels in this whole group and sets the tone. unfortunately, it won’t happen this season, unless the tickets on stub hub get to 5 cents

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 7:02 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

out of what 13 games, wall has a good game

you do know that he only has one move and other guards will take him to task right or should i say, have been taking him to school? One game does not make a season, plus we still lost. He may be good one day, on a consistent basis, until then, Javale is more consistent than Wall. Javale alters shots and gets rebounds each and every game. does wall avg 2 t/o or less each game? From what I have seen, PGs that avg less than 3 turnovers win, more than three lose, now where does that leave Wall?

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 7:09 PM EST up reply actions  

Where ?

Umm it’s funny people say Wall has no pick and pop game and forget he has nobody to pick and pop with, what else he would have more assists if had better shooters and turnovers would be down if he did not feel like he had to force things by running a one man fastbreak offense because they have no talent on the offense side of the court. Like I said all Javale gives us is athleticism(alter shots) like you pointed out. But he also gives opposing teams free trips to the line on pump fakes also scores for the other team with goaltending, he easily gives up when a bigger body is in the paint, do you ever notice he is the last one back on defense, etc.

I am not saying JWall is perfect by no means but his ceiling is way higher than McGee Easily.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 7:21 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Oh I have seen centers who respect him when they are in the lane pump faking and hesitating to release the shots

as for Wall he should like Mcgee its the easiest assist he gets and is the eraser to the penetration he gives up so he should love Mcgee.

he went nuts on a very good defensive Sixers team he outplayed Horford an allstar center getting 15 and 12

he came up nice against the Knicks. 13,10,4

he went 10,14,5 chased Noah out of the Bulls game.

whats lightweight about that. I get it why let the facts enter the equaion but the theme you are speaking of doesn’t exist this season.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

The last sixers game

is the 1st game I watched McGee play with some skill. He can do it. I just thank god Arenas isn’t on the team. It would be the Gilbert and McGee basketball circus. They would be arguing with Saunders about who gets 50 attempts every game.

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Overrating talent

Chi-town game he got outplayed by the backups, it’s one thing to get off against competiton but it would be saying something more if you got off and shutdown comp which was the case in the Knicks game because Tyson put up the same numbers I think in fact they were better, I will give you Sixers games both in fact because we were blown out patten stats hmmm, and on top of the fact you talking bout Spencer Hawes lol oh and that’s why it is called a team sport the Sixers are a good defensive team. Nobody see them challenging for chip they stuck on being a good playoff team when it’s all said and done.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 7:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes I watched.

Truth be told I read a article not too long ago about Joakim Noah being in some kind of funk and that the the backup frontcourt has played better than Jo and Los and what happened in the game against us the backup’s outplayed McGee.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 8:28 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Why did we lose? Check out Nick Youngs Stats. We need a true Big Guard

29 minutes
3/12 shooting
0 Rebounds
1 Assist

Nick cannot even buy one, just one, long rebound.

by jmpalomo on Jan 16, 2012 6:14 PM EST reply actions  

Agree.

I think Young is burning his own pocket right now he’s proving why Washington did not sign him long term and other teams took notice for the simple fact EG is known for absurb payday’s I still would re-sign him but at a cheaper price and if he is willing to come off the bench.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:25 PM EST up reply actions  

why keep digging through the trash

we can get a over-shooting, unable to make an assist guard anywhere, time to venture out in the world and stop settling for mediocre talent. This team has avg about 20 wins in the last four years? why keep anyone that long?

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 6:45 PM EST up reply actions  

True

Good point. It’s just Young would be a better Jason Terry than J.Crawford I think.

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Style no Substance at it's finest

wzzntzz 4realzies?! RT @Chris95Robinson Pierre McGee: “But I’m gonna make sportscenter”. When asked about being benched last 9 mins

by p.robb87 on Jan 16, 2012 6:29 PM EST reply actions  

You know, as much as flip and ted have dissed mcgee, he probably wants out of here

he doesn’t even listen to flip when he comes to the sidelines, he looks everywhere but at flip when flip is talking. Trade him or get rid of flip, which does ernie and ted value the most

by dmv4life on Jan 16, 2012 6:51 PM EST up reply actions  

that's exactly where we are right now

he and flip cant stand each other, it’s obvious imo. What were Flip’s comments after Mcgee’s great game Saturday vs the 76ers?

“He should have played that way last night.”

these two are oil&water

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No it was a Wizznutzz tweet

Not true at all. It was a joke.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 16, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions  

Mcgee needs to just stop with everything and just play

he’s giving a bad coach talking points to distract people from how bad he sucks as a coach. Just let the coach have he stage with no distractions or excuses so he can be fired already.

by jazzy1 on Jan 16, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Sixers fan here.

but I get all the Wizards’ games ( I live in Virginia). I agree that Flip has lost the team and needs to be fired.

I think everyone should be bilateral coordinated.

by BIBTD on Jan 16, 2012 6:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Vesely +11

Six rebounds, six more than Nick Young.

I don’t know, maybe he’s not a bust. He seems to do what no other Wizard will do, be a team player.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 16, 2012 6:47 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Vesely will be stronger in 2 seasons

The skill and the desire are there. I expect he will to be a very good rebounder

by hambonejackson on Jan 16, 2012 6:53 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

he played ok but he doesnt try to do much out there imo

that +11 came from John Wall’s one man show….i know people go ga-ga for “unselfish play” and guys who “do the little things” but right now we are still searching for guys to do the big things. Vesely, Singleton, Book….these guys have to try and score when they are out there, right now Ves just waits for ez buckets to present themselves

by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 7:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Ves would be better

with guys that actually played team oriented basketball. If our guys actually had any off-ball movement and picks and passing, Vesely would get a lot of easy scores on cuts and putbacks. He’s a smart player that doesn’t demand the ball. When you put a guy like that on the court with a bunch of selfish players, it’s hard for him to contribute much.

by gorebd on Jan 16, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Mcgee, Really?

Dunk the ball and get back on defense. What made the play even more weird was that we weren’t even winning at the time.

You do not do what Mcgee did when you are 1-11 and your losing. That just shows the attitude problem possessed by some of the more seasoned basketball players on this team. They can all go for all im concerned Mcgee, Blatche, and Nick Young it was nice knowing y’all but go poison someone else’s team.

by ccrun1800 on Jan 16, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

what’s sad about this fanbase they see there is nothing wrong with that SMH

by WAAAAALL-E on Jan 16, 2012 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

difference between wall's mistakes and mcgee's mistakes

wall’s mistakes are usually errors of commission. he seems to get it. mcgee’s are usually errors of omission – frequently an omission of common sense.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 16, 2012 8:41 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

This sums it up

From Pro Basketball Talk

That the locker room was divided on the play and Saunders reaction tells you all you need to know about the Wizards locker room. John Wall sided with Saunders. Veteran Maurice Evans did as well. But Nick Young diplomatically tried to take McGee’s side

Half of our team is professional and the other half are clowns. Get these bums out of DC. Nick, Dray, Vale, Crawford. At least JaVale will get us some trade value if we move him now.

by gorebd on Jan 16, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

Of course Nick sides with Vale

He’s the one everyone expected.

Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG

by DMVLeGenD on Jan 16, 2012 9:13 PM EST up reply actions  

Can we please stop with the John Wall-bust talk now?

It’s clear he has things to work on. Its just harder for all the good things to show in this mess.

This is what you expect out of this team, maybe just a little more often. Lose games, but give us those major flashes of hope like his dominance to close it out on offense and the disruption on D. But it isn’t going to come that easy every night. After all, this is the NBA and it’s not that easy every night for anybody.

Also, the way Wall lit it up earlier, I feel like that puts a little bit of pressure on Leonsis every time that happens. The quicker Wall shows he is one of the best, the quicker Ted is going to have to put legit pieces around him. Because its alright to see a developing young guy play with other young guys. But its not acceptable to watch a young guy who looks like an all-star be weighed down and limited in his success. So hopefully Wall can keep showing this side of his game.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 16, 2012 10:23 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not thrilled that McGee did that but don't think its too big a deal.

I still haven’t even seen the dunk but Flip says we need to identify with meat and potato basketball and not hightlight-type plays. Sorry but our two cornerstone players are John Wall and JaVale McGee… nothing meat and potatos about those two. Flashy, athletic, explosive, highlight type players that will make dumb plays from time to time.

by koop1122 on Jan 16, 2012 11:02 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I don't know, is it?

Maybe our coach is starting to enforce a little discipline. Maybe he realizes that he’s going to be here for the duration and has decided to show who’s in charge. And Wall responded.

by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 17, 2012 3:06 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

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