Another Night Of Fear (and Loathing) in Washington
by Sean Fagan on Jan 14, 2012 9:17 PM EST
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PrintI could cut and paste last night's "recap," but that would be a disservice to JaVale McGee. So before I go into the usual litany of things that went wrong, I think we should stop and take a moment to appreciate the SWEEEEEEEEPING HOOK.
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Ok. Are we good? All set on appreciation? Let's dig into some salient facts before I toddle off to the locker room.
1. John Wall had seven turnovers in the first half and again appeared like he would rather be playing summer ball. Things settle a bit in the second half, but again a lot of missed bunnies, and a ton of bad body language. Currently, he is shooting 52% at the rim, which is amongst the bottom ten of starting PGs in the NBA.
2. The Wizards hate holding onto the basketball. There were about a jillion (read 23) Philadelphia points off of turnovers and the Wizards continue to make lazy passes and throw the ball around like its an active grenade. Someone should perhaps let the team know that the ball does not gain velocity if tossed laterally.
3. I believe Rashard Lewis can be carbon-dated.
4. The Bruise Bros. did not have a good night. Booker notably airballed two shots. Singleton was just kinda there. It was one of those nights.
I really wanted this to be positive, especially in light of last night's performance. Because looking at the stat-line, Nick Young, Jordan Crawford and JaVale McGee all had decent games. Then I looked up at the jumbotron in the fourth quarter and realized that the Wizards were down 17 with the 76ers just kinda going through the motions.
So really, was this improvement? Or a good team taking it easy because they knew they were going to win?
Quotes and deeper analysis tomorrow.
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If we had looked to McGee in the post throughout the game
JaVale could have had 40 points. No one could stop him. You’d think flip might have said to look for him more often……?
Maybe could've had 40 points
But McGee was clearly winded and I’m not sure he would have made the best of those extra possessions. He needed a few off, he needed someone, anyone else on the front-line to help him out and they all failed:
Lewis: 1-10FG, just a flat out embarrassing game execution-wise. Worst player of the game
Booker: 3-10FG, didn’t give much offensively, played hard
Singleton: 0-2FG didn’t even notice he played…
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I agree with you on McGee. He has played very well.
Lewis 1-10 awful. must be tired after playing well last night (where nobody gave him any credit).
Wonder what would happen if Blatche is available. Never know. Sometimes he is so good, yet sometimes so frustrating.
Tired is no excuse for 1-10 still
And most of those were either layups or shots from the free throw line in.
I think Blatche would have mad a huge impact because he always plays Philly well (19pts, 7rebs i think). It would have allowed McGee more rest and he would have hit those open close range shots that Lewis and Booker failed to make.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Rashard stat padded during the 4th Q last night, much like Nick did tonight
This game I thought he was as bad as Booker, but we expect more because he is a vet and gets so much money.
Well we def know Flip plays favorites
Remember when he played Mike Miller nonstop no matter what, and refused to play NY instead who was worlds better
by KurisuDevil on Jan 14, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
john wall will be amazing
not ok… Not good… But amazing. He played terrible and is one more minute from a trip doub… This is going to be the game that breaks john wall out for the year. I honestly cant wait for Monday. Hes going to be a beast
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 9:28 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Might have been one more minute from a quadruple double too.
19 pts, 9 assists, 9 rebounds, 8 turnovers.
by Bassanova on Jan 14, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
still says something about him when he plays AWFUL
and almost gets a triple double.
believe me guys i felt it in the 4th quarter he found it
Turnovers happen to young kids but the fact that he had a TERRIBLE game and still had a trip double tell me that he will be a beast. Was i the only one who noticed he was slowing down more this game. Also how many players just don’t catch the ball when he passes it. That’s 3 tos by itself. Give him 5 more games and we will be impressed again. It may not happen right away but it will and its gonna be soon
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 9:38 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He had a fantastic second half
most of his numbers came from the second half. most of his turnovers came in the first half.
exactly.
He might have turned a leaf this game
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 9:42 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe
I think he was just feeding off the energy and he saw himself in McGee. Usually Wall is trying to do it all without much help from teammates, Wall had to have seen this in McGee and made an effort to go as hard as he could.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
why didnt he do that in the 1st half?
John was atrocious tonight when it mattered, he could barely dribble well enough to be called a PG….this is getting really disturbing
You can never detemine someone's spark
I agree with you though, I think Wall played horrible tonight and needs to work on his ball security, decision-making, jumper everything. Easier said than done. \
1 good play was when he came off a pick on the right wing, stopped in his tracks and rose for a mid-range jumper. He missed but it was a great shot
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
i thought his balance was a little off there
his feet drift out from under him, if i know the play you mean….my man has a lot of work to do this summer (and hell right now)….but yeah I loved the play, should be bread&butter one day soon
i liked when wall in the second half
faked the hand off to crawford and took it to the rim no one expected it easy lay-up kinda rondo ask
Part of it seemed to me to be a product
of expecting the worse….that first half was just plain unprofessional. Not in the sense of belligerent unprofessional, but in the sense of not allowing adversity to change your level of effort…
fortunately, that is easily correctable…
if that's the case (and i would be happy if it was)
Then that means:
John will be a beast
Mcgee is a HUGE piece of our rebuild
Flip dint doing a good job building his cconfidence
And we have our star and 2nd star fella
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 9:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
How can the coach build your confidence
Bring him off the bench so he can play against the other team’s backup point guard?
by isum on Jan 14, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
no motivate him
Motivation goes a long way guys. Especially with a young guys. We need to just let him do what he needs to to win. 1-11 has a lot to do with the coach
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
idk if your being sarcastic or not
But i agree. He needs to build his confidence. Good coaches are the ones that motivate the best and run the best plays…. Flip does neither things well
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 10:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
yup
He can’t have these fools around him much longer. Heres my list
Lewis- gone
Crawford- bum but might find himself as a bench player for us
Book- beastly energy off the bench
Sing- beastly off the bench for us. High motor
Mason- can’t shoot no more gone
Jan- keeper i like this kid
Young- won’t sign with us again gone
Blatche- nah nah nah nah hey hey hey goodbyeee
John/ vale- our future and stars on our team. So excited to watch these guys now
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 10:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
by that measure we currently have only 2 starters for next season
which makes the $64,000 question…..does Ernie get choose the other 3 starters or has he had his run with this franchise
i honestly think Ernie will be the one filling the wholes
But they won’t be coached by the same guy. Put our draftie in there that equals 3 starters and then 2 really good shooters and we have a team.
Do you really think there is anyone else on this team that has a chance of starting next year? Maybe sing? Book? I really don’t know
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 14, 2012 11:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sing sing maybe
Book, no. Doesnt mean he has no value though. Classic high energy bench player. Solid piece
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 15, 2012 1:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hell yeah
They are going to have great careers but i just don’t know if they are starters. Sing is closer than book
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 1:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think they would be better coming off the bench anyway
But dam how sweet would it be if sing was a starter. Jan would be awesome off the bench. We would have to most highest motor guys in the league
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 1:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Trade Wall
I have to disagree with wall making any progress whatsoever. He has zero 1/2 court IQ, no Jumper, misses layups, turns the ball over at least 5 times a game, and easily begins to pout.
All the hype has made him a very valuable trade candidate.
yeah and lets go get javaris crintinton to replace him
I don’t think you understand the ceiling he has. He’s not the first player to go on a sophomore slump. Even rose didn’t start off so hot in his second year. He’s gonna be fine
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
His stats aren't what worry me
His body language, however, is troubesome
by imperialme on Jan 15, 2012 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Disagree
Just stay with the course until the year ends, what trade can we really get that keep most the core intact and helps us with a knockdown shooter (which was suppressed to be what Mason was signed for)?
John does need help though, hopefully Mo Evans can come back and do some of the things he did last year for us.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
our chances of signing eric gordon?
hibachi 4 life
by capital city banana smushers on Jan 14, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
You never know
But if I’m him, I wouldn’t want to come here
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I wouldnt want Gordon
Dude plays less games with every passing season
Music is Life
his body language is just awful
hpefully more is made of that than it actually matters, but he looks utterly beat down most of the time
He's doing it to himself though
Somebody really needs to sit him down with hours of tape and show him why he needs to lower his gears. I love that he’s flash and fearless but he needs to realize it’s his quickness, not his speed, that makes the difference.
by DCPerspective on Jan 14, 2012 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
But clearly Flip is keeping him busy
with all those youtube videos of opposing point guards…
by DCSportsAllDay on Jan 14, 2012 11:33 PM EST up reply actions
So flip knows that our forwards suck
Said Wall probably gets frustrated when they can’t hit anything.
He most likely means
Hustle and energy wise
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
singleton is going to be a key piece for us
I FEEL IT IN MY LOINS
hibachi 4 life
by capital city banana smushers on Jan 14, 2012 10:33 PM EST up reply actions
always will be ?
If Wall drops gears and give those two time to get out on the wings they both could easily develop info far more than role players.
by DCPerspective on Jan 14, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Mcgee should get the ball 1st and foremost
Its time to teach him how to play outta of the post as the primary offense , Tell him when to pass out and tell him when to go to work.
Nick Young can play off what Mcgee is doing. If we keep Mcgee in his wheelhouse he can get buckets.
Run pick and roll with he and Wall then have the wing enter it to Mcgee.
yessir
at this point Flip doesnt have much of a choice other than try Mcgee as the 1st option…….Singleton and Booker can’t score, and Nick is the only perimeter player who can be relied on to hit open shots but he doesnt pass well enough to have the offense work when he is doubled (and tripled). Meanwhile our lottery pick can barely see the floor on a 1-10 team and has yet to take a jump shot. Circumstance is dictating Flip give Javale a chance as 1st option…at least we’ll learn more about him and it will be developmental
I think Mcgee has solid instincts if we developed him as the guy
Tell him to pass to cutters middle and baseline tell him o take a couple power dribbles and hook if he stas in that low block area he can score.
But the Nick Young wing curl nonsense will never work. the Sixers doubled it and we just refused to fire it to a wide open Mcgee.
Nick can get his shots up just from a different design of the offense is all…. the primary action by him pushes him to far up on the floor have him work a weakside action and mcgee can find him or score.
Javale handled Hawes and Vucevik pretty easily
we tend to focus on his faliures vs Dwight as his measuring stick, but most nights there’s a good matchup for us with Mcgee vs opposing C.
they should teach him how to to pass the ball back out once in a while
once he gets it, it’s going up, or he’s going to lose it. if he’d disk it back outside once in a while the team would benefit a lot.
one more thing about Pierre
make no mistake wiz fans…right now he is the one guy on the team who will DEFINITELY blow up if he leaves this trash heap for another coach and better talent around him. You put him on a decent team with a coach who wants to use him and knows how and he;ll explode for sure
is flip still the coach?
I turned on the game after half time at work and we were down 17 so i turned it back off just knowing flip has to be gone.
by Objdadon on Jan 14, 2012 9:49 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Another BF Kierkegaard reference sited!
At this rate, though, it may be time to go full-scale existentialist. You could say that, from this spate of losing, there is truly No Exit for your Washington Wizards (har har harumph)…
by satchmore on Jan 14, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
i dig it
hibachi 4 life
by capital city banana smushers on Jan 14, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
The first thing to do is create some roster space
I think the Wizards need to move Lewis one way or another — a buyout, a trade, amnesty, or just cut him. What are the Wizards’ options at this point to move him? They need someone who can shoot. Maybe I am just overreacting. Still, Orlando dumped Arenas; why can’t the Wizards dump Lewis? Probably Evans needs to go too. The Wizards need an experienced backup pg, and a pf/sf who can score. They could cut N’Diaye and Mack, but I think that would be a mistake at this point.
Orlando is desperate to keep Howard and doesnt mind paying Arenas to relax at home.
Our owner’s #1 priority is keeping costs as low as possible for now.
Who would get PT then?
Jan?
Mo Evans? Sign some other D league players?
Who do you have in mind that we can realistically sign?
Who is available?
I’d like to hear the opinions of an NBA scout as to whether there are any good players available to bring in to make this team functional.
I would hate to see anyone released other than the vets who were supposed to be the steadying influence on the team, but have failed so far: Lewis, Evans, and Mason. If the team just will not cut any of the vets, either due to financial reasons or respect, then Mack would be the next choice.
There are other backup pg’s in the D League who might bring more to the floor than Mack. Blake Ahearn has been playing well. He’s more of a scorer than Mack. Curtis Stinson has a lot more pro experience than Mack, albeit not in the NBA.
As for shooters, Kyle Singler is currently playing for Real Madrid. I wouldn’t mind seeing him on the roster, instead of Lewis, but of course whether he is even available depends on what his contract says.
Oops, Singler is not available
Looks like Detroit still owns his rights, since he never reported after the lockout ended. Instead, he signed with Real Madrid for more money than a second round pick gets, and more minutes. I’m not sure how the CBA works in this situation, but I assume that Detroit’s rights cannot be unilaterally extinguished by Singler.
Speaking of the Bruise Brothers
Jeff Ruland is coaching up the street at UDC. Would be similar to the Dale Hunter hire for the Caps.
OT
Is there any chance that Chicago keeps Toronto scoreless for the rest of the game? 60 points game would help us good a little bit better
Kings have 23 points at the half
Never seen anything like it. 8-46 FG%. Wow…..
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Eddie Jordans System Would a Better Fit....
Am I the only one that finds it ironic that Eddie Jordan’s offense would have been a better fit for the guys we have now?
John Sprints....
and we try to chase him- any system beats that.
by DCPerspective on Jan 14, 2012 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
wall should burn tapes of that first half
Never want to see that again. Philly coasted tonight.
P
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 14, 2012 10:53 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Didn't watch the game
But it looked like he played great. LOCK HIM UP NOW!
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Yeah
No way he can stay fresh with his asthma. But6 I think Turiaf was supposed to be that guy, but hye got hurt.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
I do too
But he was injured, so I can’t really blame them for cutting him. I miss Larry Owens too. He really hustled on D, and he wasn’t a liability on offense. He had a decent 3-point shot.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
Larry who?
The guy played like what, 6 games with us last year? I didn’t see anything special about him. Just looked like an average D-league player to me. He would’ve been less than mediocre this year if he made the team. Glad he isn’t on the team to take away from our real rookies.
by Bread Lover on Jan 15, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What's Ted waiting for?
Does he think the team is successfully progressing on a rebuild?
If so, he’ll never be a successful owner. If not, he’s having trouble pulling the trigger, which is a bad omen for the future of this franchise.
Once he comes to grip with how much damage is being done in the current mode, he’ll need to demonstrate some savvy in addressing the issues.
Let’s see if he’s the next Snyder of Washington sports….or that he can be a winner.
What is he supposed to do?
You want him to give the max to guys like Nene and West and stick us in mediocrity? He said that the rebuild wouldn’t be pretty. I’m just glad he’s more patient than some of the fickle fans I see here. I bet some of you wanted Snyder to overpay FAs every year.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
by DMVLeGenD on Jan 14, 2012 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I do think he should've cleaned house when he got here though
Like firing Flip and EG
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
so let me ask you, which result would be better year in the 2nd year of our rebuild (and of John's contract)?
we had a Mcgee/Nene front court, were the 8th seed, won 2 playoff games, re-signed Mcgee, drafted 11th ( via trade).
or
won 9 games and drafted 2nd, added said player to next year’s roster, hoped for improvement
I mean
Has any other team that made moves like that ever won a championship? I just don’t want to be like the Pacers, who have a very low ceiling.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
this isn't a fair assesment because you're assuming that
Nene would improve this horrid team into a 8th seed…
by Young Wook Lee on Jan 15, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
How about forming the George Carlin Memorial Wiz fan club?
He wrote about how cool it would be to root for the Washington Generals . . . but he died before correcting himself.
Go Wizzies . . . we know you can actually play even worse next time out . . . or maybe the time after that . . . this is the team that even failed at going without a win for the season.
if the team is renamed
We should become the generals…
by thewiz06 on Jan 15, 2012 12:27 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why
Why did Vesley only play 3:24? What’s the point of losing these games so big if we’re not going to give our number one pick work? Lewis is terrible, I know Vesley’s shortcomings but who cares, we’re out of games by midway through the third quarter- play our number one draft pick!!!
I used to be the biggest Jordan Crawford fan. I used to cheer wildly for him last year and say that he could be a mainstay in our rebuild. Now, I cringe when he gets the ball. The ball gets stuck to his hands and either he dribbles it to death or heists a ridiculous shot. I know he had a decent game tonight, but overall it is still ugly. So sad.
Seriously, what the heck happened to us? Last year we won 6 of our last ten games with a starting lineup of Wall, Crawford, Evans, Blatche and McGee. Why wouldn’t we think we could make a run at the playoffs this year? I just don’t understand how we could play so well at the end of the year last year and the same team can’t even score this year. No one is mentioning Mo Evans much, but we need him desperately. He just has the presence to focus our young guys and keep them playing unselfishly. I’m not sure if he can fix this, but why do we suck this bad? We had enough offense with that starting lineup and even less of a bench than we have this year. WTF??
We should not be this bad!!! Flip needs to start coaching players. It’s not as simple with a young team as giving them video’s and scouting reports, but sitting down one on one with them, helping them relax (wall) building up their confidence (wall again) and helping their overall psyche. They need to mentally mature. Flip can’t make them do it, or do it for them, but he CAN help them with the process.
either Flip is retarding Vesely's development or Ves can't see the floor on a 1 win team
Big Ern needs to go either way
I could not understand why Lewis got sooo many minutes last night whilst Ves sat.
But then I am not being paid $4 million a year to set the player rotations here.
The team got very decent effort out of McGee and Young last night, and Wall was remarkable both for good and for ill.
Since I was only following the fame on Game Trak while watching football, I could not read whether the Sixers were playing on cruise control. But let us, for the moment, assume not. For all Wall’s turnovers, the WIzards were ahead by a few after the first quarter. The game headed due South from 12:00 of the second quarter, when Lewis and Crawford entered. Why not keep up the momentum, flaws and all, bring in Ves and Mack as the first two off the bench instead… One brings more energy, the other more rationality. No matter, it will get even worse before it gets better.
I could not read whether the Sixers were playing on cruise control.
oh yes, they definitely were, big time. and wall’s stats belie one of the worst first halfs i’ve ever seen from an nba point guard. there was one stretch were he walked up the court sulking and nick young had to run the offense. glad he came out and competed second half
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2012 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Wiz were competitive in the 1st half, mainly because Javale played well and Nick hit shots.
but the game was kind of a sneaky blowout as the lead crept up to 10 and wiz at no point got it back to single digits.
Ves has played 57minutes and has yet to take a single jump shot, he’s basically redundant on this roster imho…all the skills he may have are already present win Book/CSing and the stuff Ves apparently lacks (offensive ability) is exactly what Book and CSing lack too. Might as well play Ves more for sure though, agree 100%…I just suspect Flip is desperate for someone to score and Ves isnt going to do it.
Jan also had 2 fouls in 3 min
Could he guard T.Young or E Brand jubd of PF?
end of the year is different
opposing teams not playing for anything.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 15, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions
it makes you feel sicker
when the clips are performing real well so far this season. They had some chippy plays against the Lakers so far at staples (clips style)
by thewiz06 on Jan 15, 2012 12:25 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
damn
We need James singleton back. That’s the only way our offence gets better
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 1:14 AM EST via mobile reply actions
James Singleton is in China
last I heard.
After the last season in China, he was planning not to play there again. But I suppose with the lockout and late start to the NBA season, he went back.
This Is Horrible.
Type it every. Time.
Seriously, why not? Everyone else knows it’s horrible, and whatever the reason, cannot say it. So, why not, say it: This. Is. Horrible.
If we say it, enough times, then maybe TED LEONSIS can order decisions to make it a little less chappy this year.
THIS. IS. HORRIBLE.
This team is awful
Its apparent how bad this team is by the amount of fans in the seats. Verizon center looked about half empty for the Sixers game. Many in the crowd were there to see Philly. The same was true for the NY game. They are now pushing all-you-can-eat and drink seats and still can’t give them away. Perhaps Ted will make big changes when this puts a cramp in his wallet.
I cant believe jared jeffries is still in the league
I mean, really? Wtf? Where’s Popeye Jones AKA Shrek at these days? Ahhh good times
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 15, 2012 1:55 AM EST via mobile reply actions
This is the worst team I have ever had to watch. They were better back when Chris Whitney was the point-and that team was god awful.
At least the Cavs had an excuse to as why the were so fucking bad a year ago—their franchise player left for nothing.
The Wizards excuse? Umm….young&dumb? The problem is our young talent isn’t look as promising as it should. The spark that John brought to this city is fading—fast. No way Flip is around much longer. Hopefully his fire will open some eyes and kickstart this team.
What I think this team need a Scott Skiles-type coach to get in their faces and force them to play. Better yet, get some players who actually want to play night in and night out.
actually snyder method would work in nba
He would buy everybody! We’d be stocked like the heat!
by Objdadon on Jan 15, 2012 3:06 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Wall's game has gone to pot. Dray with the shoulder, overweight,(look for outstanding play in the last few weeks of the season.)
NY is basically a one trick pony. Shard long in the tooth, Crawford? Showing flashes of brilliance now and again but also chucking. McGee is doing his part, but He’s at best part of “twin towers” team that could make a run.
I think we a can win against lower eschelon teams every now and then when they are playing their worst and we have a great game.
the main thing i'm seeing with this team is the need to spend on FAs sooner rather than later.
the supposed plan has always been to add key FA pieces after drafting and developing our own talent…..well, that plan drove into a ditch. Imagine this roster plus 6’10" 215pound Anthony Davis (seems to be trending as popular pick)…..that’s another roster that just won’t cut it.
How about signing Lou Williams? Batum is RFA, Gallinari RFA, Eric Gordon of course, Beasley, Anthony Randolph, Ian Mahini, Omar Asik is a UFA….point being there is a wide array of talent out there to go after.
If Ted’s plan is to sit tight and just add 2 more rookies this offseason….I just dont see how it’s going to work.
and if they don't match the offers Javale gets
then draft Drummond or Davis to take his place…..then we’re really in the soup unless Ted spends on getting legit vet talent in here as well
I don't care what Flip needs
He needs to be fired.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
by DMVLeGenD on Jan 15, 2012 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Add OJ Mayo to that list. Grizzlies look like they're shopping him again...
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2012/jan/14/grizzlies-talking-nets-about-oj-mayo-trade/
alternatively, we could try swing the trade with NJ instead by offering Young and giving them cap room next year while picking up another draft pick…
I'd also look into acquiring Anthony Morrow
Dude is a lights out shooter
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
We shouldn't trade for OJ Mayo
We should sign him in the summer. Memphis blew their relationship with him so if they keep him, they likely won’t give him his QO this summer. If the Nets trade him, they won’t give the QO to make room for Howard and other moves.
We can probably get OJ for cheaper than what Nick thinks he’s worth. I don’t see Young coming back because he feels slighted and its actually impacting his play.
OJ is an outstanding talent that I think suffered from the AAU pampering. But his experience in Memphis likely humbled him and I think he’d come in hungry and looking for a fresh start to show he can be a star in the league.
His scoring ability, particularly shooting, seems like he’d be a nice complement to Wall.
I'm sorry
It is time to fire Flip. He is just not the right coach for this team and even if he was (although I would argue that he never was -your mileage may vary) he has clearly lost this team. At some point when things are not working, you need to m6ake a change for change sake. And Lewis with 22min v Jan with 3 …. WTF!?! I don’t care if he sucks ( which I don’t think he does but who knows based on the burn he is getting) he is the SIXTH pick. Let’s see what we have!!
6th pick in the draft cant get burn on a 1-11 team
despite being 7’ tall and us having just lost Dray.
Exhibit 87 in the “Ernie needs to go” file
You forgot to mention the other forwards...
…were 4 for 24.
Yes this too.
At this point I’d agree to tossing Ted too (BF community can take collective ownership …. sure we can get financing).
you really aren't a vesely fan. lol.
I think he’ll end up far better than it seems you do.
Markieff has hit 14 3pters this season; Jan has yet to take a jump shot.
This is Ernie’s contract year, imo Vesely’s rookie year should be a factor in the decision to retain EG or not
Ernie was had at
7’ project. “Eastern European” and “raw” were bonus.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 15, 2012 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
This.
Lewis has sucked in every way a washed out, over-entitled vet with a huge contract can. Even if Vesley sucks (and in the limited minutes he has played, he’s shown flashes of real brilliance along with a whole lot of timid, so no, I don’t think he does) what the hell do we have to lose by playing him instead of Lewis?!?
If he gets playing time the rest of the year
It will be too obvious that he’s a bust. (Ok, he’s not a bust yet. It’s close though).
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jan 15, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think Vesely should play
If he is any good, we should trade him (and all of our other forwards) to get a banger at the 4 and a shooter at the 3 (and resign Young to a multi-year contract or get another shooter at the 2).
Unfortunately, I’m afraid Veseley will show little prowess this year and will have no value around the league. EG has coveted this guy for years, so he needs to have a conversation with Flip about playing him.
I hate Javale McGee...
He teases us with this stat line, more importantly the stateliness of 5 blks, and 18 Rebs. I want to see that activity every not but I don’t see it.
by xxrdotxx on Jan 15, 2012 5:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Javale's been are best player by far this year. His hard work in the offseason has shown.
He’s not a 20 15 and 3 guy but not many are… he’s one of the most effective centers in the league right now and he’s only 23.
by koop1122 on Jan 15, 2012 6:31 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
Yea u r right... But something is not right in that head of his... A lot of defensive lapses,
He needs a gritty rebounder at the 4 position. That does the dirty work and can guard in the post, so Javale can help out on the weak side. Who could do that for him In the draft? Sullinger, Drummond?
That's been the general consensus around here.
Pairing up McGee with someone how does a lot of grunt work and a tough rebounder would be phenomenal to shore up McGee’s weaknesses.
by Craig_ on Jan 15, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The main thing I'd like to see with JaVale is keep getting stronger
He does have some lapses, he likes to just use his length with rebounding and defense instead of boxing out and being more physical. But he’s young and I love how much better his overall game looks compared to last year.
Yeah I wanted Sullinger since last year… reminds me of a Dejuan Blair but better offensive game. He can shoot, pass, and post up. And he’ll do that dirty work for us. He’s not athletic but we already have a 7 foot athletic freak. Sullinger doesn’t have this high ceiling or all star potential but he’s strong, smart and ready to contribute. I can’t say i’m 100% set on him b/c I haven’t watched college this year and I heard he put on some weight but I think he’ll be fine when he gets in the league… he’s a coach’s son and plays winning basketball.
I'm hoping for a high pick and trading back
I’m starting to think that a smart PF like Sully is the answer, but if we end up picking in the top 3, it’d be a little high for him. I’d be scared if we trade a Perry Jones for Sullinger and look back in 5 years to see we passed on a stud. But there’s so many question marks with Perry and Drummond and even how Davis would fit us that I wouldn’t be upset with trading back to acquire a future pick or player and then taking the smart, lower ceiling player that provides what our team needs.
Sullinger seems like he might be the best complement to Wall and McGee. Simple as that. He’s the guys that can run a deadly pick and roll with Wall (especially if John learns to shoot. SMH) while he and McGee can compensate for each others deficiencies.
That’s the thing about this draft. Even though there are some great talents, they all have major question marks and it’s questionable how they fit with Wall and McGee. And these prospects would also make it necessary for us to trade just about everyone else (which I’m fine with).
As much as I’m intrigued by Jan, his presence makes drafting Perry Jones, Davis, Barnes, or even Drummond very difficult because we’d still have either have no shooting or no rebounding or no interior presence in just about any scenario. Sullinger seems to be the only one that can fit with Wall, Vesely and McGee.
New Orleans might be a good partner
Maybe they move up into the top 3 for Davis, Jones or Drummond and we can get their pick plus Minny’s pick. Maybe put us in position to get Sullinger and Lamb or Beal.
I'm good with that...
I hear you on Jan too. He’s really a wild card… watching Markieff Morris right now and still think he was the way to go for us last year… even at 6 (or trade back). There seems to be a lot of athletic raw 3’s and 4’s in this draft but we have Jan and NO SHOOTERS.
Shore up McGee's weaknesses
I’d like to see McGee shore up his own weaknesses. Why does JaVale get a pass from some fans for not doing the gritty grunt work? Instead of getting a gritty, grunty 4, I’d like to see us get a gritty, grunty 5 who will take away JaVale’s playing time if he continues to refuse to do the gritty, grunty stuff.
When is Turiaf supposed to heal up?
by yop32 on Jan 16, 2012 5:48 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
get a pass for what? having career highs for rebs, drebs, drr, and trr?
having the highest PER on the team? Being top10 for Centers in points, fg%, rebs, drebs, stls, and blocks? Tied for 3rd in double-doubles?
Mcgee is definitely a work in progress but he appears to be the least of our worries right now imo
by DCrez on Jan 16, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, that.
Because he’s not top 10 for Centers in points, fg%, or total rebound rate. That leaves steals, blocks, and (barely) defensive rebound rate. (He’s 10th in defensive rebound rate.)
And the big problem is that he doesn’t seem to care about the truly gritty stuff. You know, the stuff that doesn’t make it into a box score that centers are supposed to thrive on. Setting picks, boxing out, and overall just playing tough and physical.
Tenth out of fifteen? Yay.
To “Qualify” for the list at that link, “a player must be on pace to make 300 field goals”. That’s way too restrictive. Guys like Tyson Chandler, DeAndre Jordan, Kendrick Perkins, Joakim Noah, Andrew Bogut, etc. didn’t make the list.
I like these numbers better: http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=C&yr=2012&gp=0&mins=20
Unfortunately, JaVale doesn’t look so good there. Eighth worst in TS% (out of 32)? Yuck.
hey guys
Where do you find 30¢ tix at?
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 5:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions
the lowest i found was 11
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 15, 2012 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
thanks i just wanted to see them for myself
Haha was thinking about taking my little bros to tomorrows game
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 16, 2012 1:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Since it is obvious that you are tanking the season, who are you targeting with the 1st overall pick in the draft?
Barring you don’t get screwed by the Lottery, which almost always happens to the Wiz Kidz.
or
Does Ernie G. have a pic of u wearing a tutu or in some other compromising position? As a fan I feel this must be the only reason why you keep all these incompetent losers in your front office and coaching staff.
Was looking for the "deeper analysis" tomorrow post.
Didn’t see one. Or it could be we had it a few days ago from another game haha.
by Craig_ on Jan 15, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
The more college games I watch
the more I think we should take Michael Kidd-Ghilchrist. I just think he’ll be a really good defender, and he’ll be able to contribute right away…the kid is NBA ready, needs some coaching up though….could be a frightening scorer, gives headaches to any opposing defenses…he’s a pretty good shooter already, but he could be a GREAT shooter. Make no mistake though, he isn’t “lights out” yet, like perhaps Lamb is, or Barnes from distance.
But he seriously reminds me of a more athletic Gerald Wallace.
Would anyone be against us drafting this kid? I like him a lot, plus there’s the Wildcat connection…
Gilbert Arenas better than Roger Mason off the bench!!
The Wizards should sign Gilbert to back up Wall and have him play the same role he played in Orlando last season. He’s way better than Roger Mason. We’re keeping Rashard and he’s beyond his prime for big bucks. We could have the person we traded for him on the cheap and we might score a few more points per game.
Gil's last game....
Gil’s last game against Atlanta in the playoffs he scoredd 20 points in 22 minutes with 5
rebounds and 2 assists. April 24…..just sayin…..
And since april
He hasnt been in the league, but sitting at home getting paid millions from the magic
by jsuh0 on Jan 16, 2012 8:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
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