2 Reasons Why The Wizards Almost Beat the Chicago Bulls
by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 10:32 PM EST
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Print(Editor's note: Oh yeah, shooters. We need shooters. Not to throw out any "wicked pixels," but this is some terrible roster construction. But now I'm stating the obvious.)
Two Reasons Why the Wizards Almost Won.
1. Identity established - For the second night in a row, the new starting lineup proved its worth. Singleton and Booker with both active on both the boards and on the defensive end. The duo harassed both Luol Deng and and Carlos Boozer into terrible shooting nights and outworked and outhustled the Bulls on both ends. Holding the Bulls near 33% from the floor for most of the game is something you can hang your hat on and I think we can safely state that the Wizards have now found their identity for the year. As long as you have players like Booker and Singleton out there, you can keep the game within spitting distance and catch superior teams off their games on bad nights.
2. JaVale McGee - McGee absolutely dominated his matchup tonight with Joakim Noah and basically controlled the center of the paint. The low post game continues to develop for McGee, and you can see the work paying off in both the hook shot as well as the offensive position. Having Booker and Singleton out there really frees McGee out there to play to his talents knowing that someone is going to clean up after him if he makes a mistake.
and Three reasons they didn't
1. The SG conundrum - Both Nick Young and Jordan Crawford had bad games tonight for mostly the same reasons. Young looked listless for most of the evening and was caught out on several plays for not hustling back defensively. He also forced chances on the offensive end and broke the offense on several occasions. I am not sure if the playbook has changed or whether Young has started freelancing, but after 10 games I haven't seen Nick Young demonstrate the growth of a player deserving an extension.
The problem is that your only other option is Jordan Crawford, who took one of the stupidest technicals I have seen this year. After coming out of the game and only looking for open shots, Crawford devolved into forcing jumpers and more iso ball. This leaves Flip Saunders with very little carrot and even less stick to use if neither player can execute his gameplan correctly.
2. Hole in the Center - This was not the game to trot out Kevin Seraphin. Against a fundamentally sound Omer Asik and a dominant Bulls frontline, Seraphin was bullied and looked lost out there. Jan Vesely experienced much the same fate, as Taj Gibson and others basically threw him aside, but playing Seraphin against a team like the Bulls is only going to destroy his confidence. Tonight, the Wizards really could have used both Ronnie Turiaf and Andray Blatche.
3. John Wall - Its time for Flip Saunders to start scheming to get Wall into some sort of offensive flow or this situation is going to go downhill fast. Wall was again outplayed tonight by an inferior opponent and there doesn't seem to be much more to his game at the moment than to outrace his opponents and hope to draw contact at the rim. Wall needs to taken aside by the coaching staff and have his game tinkered with, much like Mike Conley in Memphis, because the results are getting worse instead of better.
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Nick Young isn't taking it out on the NBA, he's taking it out on us
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 PM EST reply actions 6 recs
hes really screwing his worth right now
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Most players in a contract year need to score more for more money
but Nick needs to pass and rebound more to do that, and yet his stats in both areas are still really bad
kirk hinrich
?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
is it that definite?
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i would say so
john’s defense was as bad as any PG in the league last season, if Kirk was a big influence I would suspect we’d have seen it there.
Because he had absolutely no team last season
and he was free to do whatever he wanted. This season he is focusing on a team concept and that is taking away from his game some, but will improve his game for next season.
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
sense of entitlement?
summer league?
Short training camp?
by isum on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
im not gonna lie
i think summer league was a negative for him. I think in his head somewhere he bought into his own hype of domination with how well he played in summer league, i think he forgot how hard the nba game really is…it almost feels like the only practice he got this season was in summer league, cuz i dont see anything new about his game….then again, im an outsider who knows nothing…so im probably just talking outta my butt
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Javale is our only noticeably improved player
which is funny cause half the fanbase was calling for his head when a video of Wall yelling at him surfaced…turns out Mcgee was the guy doing the real work
he still has those bone headed moments where im sure wall would yell at him
the thing about him is that mcgee has this sort of, i want to be dominant, personality. you see it in his game, he wants to be known, he wants to be feared, he wants to be a factor. I think mcgee is close to josh smith in personality. They both make dumb decisions, but u see it that they put in work on parts of theirs games, sometimes the wrong parts which leads to some bad decisions, but they want to be great, they want to be known. Even in a game they cant win, you know they want to get a block or a dunk and sort of be like “hey my team might suck, but i can kick ur butts on this court”. Its not the best attitude, but at the very least he isnt complacent with himself having a bad game, even though often it seems hes his own worse enemy
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i'm not sure how many wiz games you've seen this year but he's cut so much of that out
the guy is really improved
I think he's feeling the pressure more this year
After a rookie campaign like he had, the next step is elite status. It just doesn’t feel like he’s mentally ready for that.
I think he can feel how much the league/reebok/Wizards are counting on him and its manifesting in forced offense, rushing decision making and frustration with his inability to manufacture offense like he could on the lock-out circuit against no defense. He hasn’t yet realized that the things that will ultimately make him great aren’t necessarily scoring. The reason I was so excited to get him was because he seemed like a true point guard, concerned with getting everyone else involved more than getting himself going.
I still feel like he’ll settle down, i just think the weight of expectation after an amazing rookie season are weighing on him. Also, the organization isnt doing him any favors in terms of shooters. I know its been discussed ad nauseam, but we need shooters bad.
by j_edg on Jan 12, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
so this is what a team with no inside presence
And 1 semi good unsigned jump shooter looks like when you draft
3 Defensive energy players and a back up PG, and make no substantive FA signings…
Just said that
To my buddy last night. We went from a team with 3 guys who could get you 20+ points but nobody who wanted to work on the defensive end, to a team with nobody who can score 20+ any given night, but a bunch of high energy players.
It’s like Ernie is thumbing his nose at us for complaining about the (not so) big three teams not playing defense.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I have a theory
In this sport its hard to do both. If you’re expending energy on D, your offense takes the hit. If you’re playing tough and physical, your finesse game is much harder to come by. The best jump shooters I’ve ever played with struggle to find their stroke when you are banging on them and take them down low on the other end.
I dunno, just something I’ve always thought.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
64 points...wow...
I really want to see what the game flow looks like with Crawford in the line up…
Nick played horribly…but he didn’t take us out of games…
But JC stop all semblance of ball movement AND let Kyle Korver get off at the absolute wrong time…
We can’t keep that up…we just can’t…
i agree about the point about having plays specifically for wall
he vanished in the 4th, i actually dont know if he sat out or if he was just doing that much of nothing, but i never noticed him in the 4th and thats a huge part of why the bulls were able to run away with it
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
If only we'd had Hamady Ndiaye tonight...
Freakin’ Flip.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:37 PM EST reply actions
why is John Wall a terrible shooter?
He doesn’t even attempt 3 pointers.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You really want him to start attempting 3 pointers?
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
yes, nearly all PG's will need the three, and Wall will be much more dangerous with it
he’s gotta get used to it.
This is exactly what I wanted to say.
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe at some point in his career
But right now, he can barely knock down shots from the edge of the paint.
baby steps
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 12, 2012 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
he doesnt gather himself on his shots
watch him shoot, he basically tries to stop on a dime and shoot, except he first sort of explodes like hes going to the rim, and then shoots. So he shoots it hard every time. If he tries to dim it down hes short thats whats killing his jumper. Hes gotta put more arc on that shot of his, hes gotta gather his feet, i know its a billion times harder in the nba cuz guys are so athletic they are right up on you, plus as a pg you are looking for the good passes…i think the wizards should forget about winning and just work on developing john wall. You can only go as far as he takes you. If the wizards dont believe that then they should trade him cuz they are wasting his time…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Javale looks much smoother on his J and he's our C
i doubt you could find a Wiz fan who would take John in a 3pt contest vs Javale….troubling indeed
by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i think thats not true
i bet you wall knocks down 3s in practice all the time, hell the summer league games, he was hitting jumpers. Its not that he cant shoot PERIOD, its that he cant shoot in the nba game because he feels he has to rush his shot, he tosses aside his form, and he relies TOO much on his athleticism alone and thats his heel. Hes gotta learn to play as if he isnt one of the most explosive guards in the league. Flip should have him wear weighted vests or something in practice so he gets used to not being the fastest or most explosive player and then starts relying on his bball smarts and skills as opposed to athleticism.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I bet he can too.
When he’s shooting and only when he’s shooting, he must think it’s like a summer league game. Otherwise take the game seriously.
Vs. McGee
I would look forward to taking your money.
it also doesnt feel like he's getting the elevation he should
An athletic guy like him could benefit a lot from getting some elevation when he raises up to shoot. Sometimes it looks like he releases the ball while he’s coming down instead of at the apex
His mechanics are off.
As he elevates his arms are already locked into shooting position. When he reaches the apex of his elevation he flicks the ball with his wrist. No follow through, no fluidity.
Contrast with Korver. As he elevates, his arms are elevating too. When he reaches his apex he pushes the ball with his entire arm from the shoulder up and follows through with his wrist.
by jones-y on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
most experts agree
that shot mechanics start with the feet. this entire game i never once saw wall spot up or shoot. When he goes off the dribble for a jumper, he kinda walks into the shot. Korver doesnt count cuz hes a specialist, but think about guys like nate robinson, or derrick rose, u often see them do a mini hop to set their feet and then pull up for the jumper, the mini hop sets their form as well as kills that momentum behind them on the drive. Wall just sort of runs into his shot.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I agree it starts at the bottom.
He’s taken set shots before, and he squares his feet, they’re shoulder width apart, bends his knees, and all that good stuff. Shooting off the dribble I agree with you. But regardless of whether its a set shot or off the dribble, the mechanics of the entire rest of his shooting motion are off.
Good call on Wall Sean..
Clearly he thinks his spot is the elbow….time for a new one…closer to the rim for the time being…or maybe at an angle…
Also, on the SG issue…I would be willing to give Mason a start, or at least have a ridiculously quick hook for Nick or anyone else who doesn’t hustle, and goes one on one in a none play called scenario. Period. Not because it makes us better. But because if we are not going to win, at least we can be disciplined.
I have said it before. We are at the point of requiring remedial basketball at this point. Tear it all down.
It started with the new line up. Don’t be afraid of continuing to experiment.
i would play mason over crawford
who for some reason thinks he should be an all star and that he’s better than Jordan. He’s just retarded.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
i know, small and nitpicking but....
The due harassed both Luol Deng and and Carlos Boozer into terrible shooting nights
duo
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
hey now
‘e’ and ‘o’ are practically the same letter!
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions
1500 game thread comments
to 1000….SUCK ON THAT blog-a-bull!!!
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM EST reply actions
To be fair, 147 of them were me cursing Flip.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:45 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
damn
well played…gotta get you next time
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Unfortunately
bad teams have more active boards and a livelier community….
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if true...that would be an interesting case study on
collective therapy and release of frustration…
easier to watch as a group that alone when it is this bad?
Identity
Last year’s Bucks. Except not as good.
Wall is pissing me off right now
Many Wizards fans at least from my perspective is giving Javale McGee, Andray Blatche, Flip Saunders a majority of the criticism for the team overall pathetic play this season. But guess what, John Wall is a major reason for the team’s struggle perhaps the biggest as the team supposed franchise player and superstar. i know it’s just his 2nd year in the league but Wall is playing like total garbage as the team’s PG. He can’t throw it in the ocean even if he was on a boat in the Pacific. There was so much optimism this season that his shot has dramatically improved and it couldn’t be further from the truth. The only effective way for the guy to score is by blindly charging it into the rim and as a result its either a charge, a blocked shot or missed free throws if he is fouled.
I understand it’s early in Wall’s career but Wall, I would argue is the biggest reason for the team’s pathetic play. As the team’s “franchise player” he’s playing more like Kwame Brown instead of Derrick Rose. And if that’s going to be the case, the Wizards are going to have a hard time breaking double-digit wins.
This was Wall’s opportunity without Rose, Hamilton and Cj Watson to play iike the #1 overall pick and franchise player the Wizards need him to be and he failed miserably. It’s ridiculously frustrating watching Wall right now and one hopes he can rebound sooner rather than later.
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by kingme18 on Jan 11, 2012 10:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
my sister said that wall is the next kwame last year
I told her to shut up.
Now she is saying it again, and I just say the jury is still out.
by thewiz06 on Jan 12, 2012 12:40 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
That must be godawful depressing
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 8:26 AM EST up reply actions
He's far from Kwame
But he is disappointing me. I thought we were getting a bona fide “superstar” but, frankly, I don.t see it. Not saying I’m writing him off, or that he’s a bust (he’s not), but he’s definitely no Derrick Rose. It’s not just his jumps shot; he can’t finish at the rim either. Sure, he can get there anytime he wants, but he doesn’t finish. In fact, his shot is real easy to block. Too easy.
Again, I’m not saying he’s a bust. I just expected more from him by now.
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by CJHutch on Jan 12, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I am not saying he is playing like Kwame
In the #1 pick scale… he’s A LOT closer to Kwame right now than he is to Derrick Rose.
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In totally unrelated news
i hope to god we get RGIII….Just had to say that.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
yeah im worried about that
but after the colts the other teams don’t really need a QB…thats what im holding on too. And even with the colts its semi-debatable.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
I can see the Browns picking him
I just don’t think they’re sold on Colt McCoy. But Colt wasn’t the main reason why they did bad last year, so I could also see them taking Richardson or Blackmon, or trading down.
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yeah if someone (not named the skins) trades up for him that would suck
he would be perfect for DC…And I love his attitude. Most refreshing thing ive seen.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:56 PM EST up reply actions
It'd be smarter for the browns to pick up Flynn
that way they have a vet who can compete with mccoy while holding on to their multiple first rounders. If their willing to mortgage all that…let them have RG3
Griffin just had a NASTY #lobcity
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:49 PM EST reply actions
Wall kind of sucks right now
His skill set is lacking, and his IQ is low. He has poor handles, poor mechanics on his jumper, no floater, no post game, and is out of control on his drives.
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Disagree about Wall.
In the game I watched, he played great with the starting lineup. But as soon as any of our deficient players come off the bench, Wall feels he has to prop up the deficiencies and in doing so does the wrong things. But the problem is not that he’s a flawed player. He needs maturity. It also looks like he shoots his J with a higher percentage when he’s wide open; but he doesn’t trust his teammates enough to let someone else distribute, so he’s rarely on the receiving end of a wide-open opportunity. Again, a maturity issue that I hope will resolve itself after learning the hard way this season.
The Wiz lack players they need
thats obvious. The main thing is to find players who come out to play every game. The tempo was upbeat and there was no sulking and no lethargy. They were out played because the Bulls are a better team right now. But, as long as the Wiz can keep in games, then they give themselves a chance to win. I consider this game a step in the right direction.
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Because we have no expendable assets, this team can trade for no assets. As a result, the team is SCREWED this year. Arguably, the front office could have used the very short offseason to sign some shooters to take some pressure off Wall (not doing so hopefully will not ruin his development — Ernie and Ted should take some heat for that if Wall suffers too much), but clearly management wants to “save its powder” for the next offseason. Management also did not want to create a team that would win too many games this year; I think this is obvious now. That decision also put more pressure on Flip to “change the culture” without having the necessary talent to win games and help change the culture. So I’m starting to come around to criticizing Ernie and Ted, for miscalculating just how lacking the design of the team would be. Ted’s arrogance and/or inexperienced trust in the wisdom of his “plan” may end up hurting his most valuable asset. I hope that doesn’t happen.
by Tbonebullets on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
We've got assets.
The problem is that they haven’t matured yet. They’re like 5 year CDs in the third year.
a few months ago Seraphin and Crawford were two of those supposed assets
still think they are?
hahaha
In his defense, I like how physical Seraphin plays. we have so many dumb passive players its at least refreshing to see a dumb physical player with a bit of a mean streak. Asset is a little bit much, more like, nice change of pace or something.
Crawford is a butcher.
it's amazing how much "smarter" our players look when Blatche doesnt play.
Andray likes to stand in the same spot on defense and not move, loves a Flip zone where he can claim to have been in the right place and technically was….but at the end of the day, he doesnt move nearly enough and that’s the huge difference we see with undersized Book in the game instead. CSing, Book, Javale appear to compliment each other really, really well defensively and they havent even played together much….really looking forward to how good they can get on D
thats a great comment
It really feels like a different team, more active, like they actually care. Its a better environment too for a guy like Vesely to develope. The losses arent nearly as hard to swallow when you can see visible effort on defense
Feels like a team that can't score too.
by jones-y on Jan 12, 2012 12:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Crawford is very far from a lost cause
Seraphin though… there’s a small chance he’ll be ok one day. But that is years away.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Flip had Chi -11
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
Still sees Rashard as a better offensive player?
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
Rashard might be the least deserving person in the world
to be getting 100’s of millions. Im seriously debating that question
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
But we aren't trying to develop Shart
We’re just waiting out his lameduckness.
Why not just park him and hope he gets pissed and asks for a buyout. SING needs to be developed and he needs to play, and sadly, we are a better team already with him on the floor.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 PM EST up reply actions
agree
sit him on the bench. And hand things out pregame for the fans to throw at him. If you hit him 3 times in a row, you get free tickets to the next game.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
We should hand out Shartboards
Like Shard Dartboards as a promotion. He’ll get the hint.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 11:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
as an outsider
its not that i think flip is a bad coach, i dont at all. but i think you have to make a change and its far easier to hire and interim or a new coach (or essentially fire your coach) then to trade players or create a new organization. Something has to be shaken up, that one possession in the 4th when the bulls got like 4 offensive rebounds in a row….that should never ever happen to any basketball team, forget nba basketball teams. So yea, without all the angst, anger, and cursing….fire flip, because your team needs a change to wake up
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Flip Saunders is the reason they can't grab a board?
I thought it was because they were out-talled. They just don’t have a beast boarder on the team.
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions
kyle korver fought harder to get a board
im not saying its flip saunders that made them not grab a board, im saying their lack of effort is something that flip perhaps cant fix…let me see how to explain it
its like if you have a manager who allows u to show up 10 minutes late all the time, so you do, and you continue to. He will one day say, hey can u show up on time tomorrow, and you still end up being 3 minutes late. Then one day hes fired, and a new manager is hired….when hes fired u get this thought like, damn i gotta be on time tomorrow, cuz im not sure how this new guys gonna react.
Effort
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:02 PM EST up reply actions
i wonder if the players wanted Singleton in too
Flip has an annoying habit of not sticking with lineups and/or players that are working
We did quit on that possesion...
made me furious cuz there was still 3 minutes left. JaVale and Rashard just watched while their man went after the rebound
walls ok
he’ll get better..he’ll never be the best PG in the league, but that’s not his fault. being the #1 doesn’t make you the best player. that’s not fair. he’ll be good.
i don’t think he’ll ever shot well thou. he just doesn’t have the touch. you can’t teach that…
????
im sorry, but thats loser talk. Rondo cant shoot mainly because his hands are gigantic, the way shaq and many big men suck at fts, because they cant hold teh ball right. Jordan also had huge hands but he worked on it so much that he was a great shooter (in game, check him out in a 3pt contest though…dude sucked)
Its not about wall being the best pg in the league, thats subjective anyway. Its about him reaching his potential, and its not an absurd idea for him to gain a shot, its more about how much time and practice is he willing to sacrifice. Wall has athleticism that not many other players will ever possess, now its all about putting the amount of work that allows him to reach the potential. Sure it might be for whatever reason a bit harder for him, but i think its loser talk to just consider it impossible
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
....
Jordan also had huge hands but he worked on it so much that he was a great shooter (in game, check him out in a 3pt contest though…dude sucked)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Antawn Jamison? Jason Kidd?
They weren’t great shooters coming into the league. Now, they can hit game winning threes in the clutch. They developed it over time.
Magic Johnson too
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
Does anybody else notice that John barely has the ball in the halfcourt? It seems like he ends up passing the ball early in the clock to either Crawford or Young and sorta sits in the background. Also, I think that he hasn’t gotten nearly as many calls as he should have in the past few games.
he murdered Arenas' career
pass
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions 3 recs
What he said
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
Wallace should be banned from the VC permanately
I’ll always hate him for what he did.
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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 11, 2012 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
seriously...
and he is way too happy in portland
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Took the words right outta my mouth
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
With the exception of Gilby, Javaris, Juwan, and of course, LeBron
I’m fine with anyone who wants to be a Wizard that’s decent and a hustle guy. Wallace is a hustle guy.
by thewiz06 on Jan 11, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Sean for the recap
I like the headline: we almost beat them!
Some positive here.
Jordan Crawford and Nick Young
have no futures with this team, and both make me sad. I loved Nick years 1 thro 3. It was right around year 4 when i started to see what he was gonna be in the league. And Jordan…after looking like steal of the century last yr u just suck balls this yr, being greedy and dumb etc, u name it. Ugh…sad sad times
nick is in a bad situation
u know hes partially trying to earn a big contract, and theres gotta be pressure from that, then the team being so bad, thats its own pressure. Im sure the locker room is bad as well, since losing usually creates a sucky enviroment, so theres pressure there. Its just a tough spot, I think he would be a better player if he had a contract, cuz at least he would play more within the team. I bet money hes a better player next year after he gets a contract
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, but he has regressed
which is the issue.
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
He could also be a bit injured
He did get his ankle rolled in the first game. Nick Young had a drop, though less drastic, when got injured last year.
Use some powder on Gordon in July
Paying Eric Gordon is money much better spent. Move on from NY and JC and get Wall his backcourt partner for the next decade.
Good analysis
I might add that Taj Gibson, a back-up, brings a better all-around game to the floor than any of our forwards.
If we are stuck with EG and Flip this year, we ought to at least send Seraphin to the D league and get somebody who can shoot on the roster (e.g., Korver, another sub for Chicago).
booker and taj are like similar players
both are high floor low cieling guys. Taj isnt really good at anything, but he works his tail off, stacey king often says “hard hat and lunch pail” when refering to him cuz thats the kind of guys he is. Like booker, he just puts in work on and off the court, hes never gonna be a star, and hes never gonna be great, but he gives his all and the wizards need players more like that, like booker. U see the same thing from booker, he gives his all on the court, you can tell he works on learning the game off the court, and has a pro attitude, and it pays dividends
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
how tall is booker
taj is 6’9 (with shoes)
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:24 PM EST up reply actions
yea thats kinda undersized for a pf
but as noted, hes younger, so he has more potential than taj. How good is his faceup game, hes gonna need one to be a real factor on offense
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 11:26 PM EST up reply actions
limited...
he’s very fast and can drive if he takes one blow by step and goes but doesn’t have ball handling skills. he likes to back down some and use his strength but only goes to his left so teams will catch on. his best shot of being a offensive threat is to hang around 10-18 ft and knock down shots or use the pump fake and attack the rim… not a good shooter right now but has pretty good form. The fact that he’s starting says a lot about our roster… Book is most effective as an energy guy playing 20 min. off the bench… like Taj
awesome analysis
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 12, 2012 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Booker is barely 6'7" I believe. some publications have him at 6'8" but that's very generous
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:25 PM EST up reply actions
Taj Gibson would be starting at the 4 if he were on the Wiz.
It’s obvious that going into next year we need to add a starting-caliber SG and starting-caliber PF. We do not have either on our roster. Nick will probably be gone, Crawford is not the answer, we need a lot of help at that position.
Booker has been playing great but if we’re all being serious, he’s probably not a starting 4 on a playoff team. Great big off the bench though, I hope he always gets his minutes. It’s also obvious that Dray is not and has never been the answer. Whoever is in charge of the Wizards front office this off-season needs to address these two issues. Whether it’s free agency or the draft, those are the two holes in our starting 5. Wall is here to stay, McGee most likely is as well, and Singleton/Vesely seem to have the 3 position locked up for the future, in whatever capacity it turns out to be. Mack also looks to have a bright future as a back up PG.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Right now we don't have a starting quality PG either.
At least Wall wouldn’t be starting on any team we’ve played yet.
i liked the game tonight
i can’t remember the last time we had a team that could defend like this. it’s refreshing to see.
gibson and asik dominated vesely and seraphin. we easily could have won this game if our bench gave us something, even with nick young laying an egg offensively.
the guys came out played hard and competed. if we keep doing this, we’ll get some Ws.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 11, 2012 11:11 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
This is where I am basically at
that and shooters
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Walls play is a reflection of the players around him
even the Chicago game callers said that with the Wiz, Wall makes a pass and thats it. He may as well go back to play defense. What I like about the last 2 game s is how Wall is starting to become a part of the offense aside from attacking the basket. He is moving around more and he is beginning to shoot more. I am sure this is by design and it needs to be done IMO.
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 11:27 PM EST up reply actions
The Chi announcers said he has such a terrible team that he never gets the ball back
He walks it up, makes a pass and his teammates put up a terrible shot, either immediately or after an ill advised dribble.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 6:02 AM EST up reply actions
To be fair
There are sometimes 2 whole passes before the shot
Gibson and Asik do that to everybody these days
don’t take it too harshly. they’re doing it to boozer and noah, sitting the 4th in the second game this week.
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by boyonthedock on Jan 12, 2012 3:02 AM EST up reply actions
Trust me
It’s more about Seraphin and less about Gibson and Asik.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 6:57 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think that takes too much away from the bulls bench
seraphin stinks now, yes, but gibson and asik are legitimately very good, that was plain to see
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 12, 2012 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
Espcially Gibson
He is a force something I hope Jan can develop into. Right now he gets tossed around in the key.
Taj Gibson would suck on our team
On the bulls, all the calls go his way. To my eye, he fouls a whole lot and gets away with it because of the jersey. Kinda like how certain role players on certain teams can set moving picks all night.
by jones-y on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Can you even call them picks
It’s more like a rub. Kind of like the Pats can run there pick play with impunity but another team better not try it on them.
Gibson though is the man. You call it fouling I call man handling the key.
Ohh I like both of those players
Gibson is an amazing defender. I saw him switch onto a guard last night and stay in front of him with confidence.
But literally any rotation big man in the league could get 20 pts on Seraphin. He’s just lost.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Should we draft Jeremy Lamb or Sullinger?
Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.
by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Depends what we can get in free agency. SG and PF are our needs.
Need to get one in the draft and one in free agency. Both need to project as starters.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
I also think Barnes might be able to project as a SG.
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
scares me that Wall and JaVale don't seem to have any chemistry...
these are suppose to be the two players that we are building around and I’m not even sure they like playing with each other….
by koop1122 on Jan 11, 2012 11:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you recall what Wall stated that we needed from the draft last year?
by jones-y on Jan 12, 2012 6:18 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
A big man
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 6:19 AM EST up reply actions
RIght. So we know Wall's opinion of our bigs. Not that he's wrong (he just shouldn't have said it).
Given that, what on earth makes anyone expect chemistry?
we need a PF from thus draft
Either Drummond or Sullinger, Davis is all defence and we need a scorer. Barnes also an option but we need to solidify the low post first, and its a great draft for forwards.
by BballBrit on Jan 12, 2012 3:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ohio State players cant be trusted
Mike Conley jr, Evan Turner, Greg Oden. And they play such bad bad teams in their conference, You really have to judge them off their skill set, their stats are such fools gold.
by KurisuDevil on Jan 11, 2012 11:19 PM EST up reply actions
I don't like Rivers next to Wall
He need the ball to be effective which would just be taking it away from Wall. He’d be best with a point guard who spots up and doesn’t do a whole lot else, which is about the opposite of what John Wall is
I like Rivers a lot, and John Wall with the ball isnt effective as it is
by KurisuDevil on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
True but you either have Wall ór Rivers. Can't have both, wouldn't work at all
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 6:04 AM EST up reply actions
Rivers = Shot Jacker
We do not need another one of those
by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 12, 2012 11:19 AM EST up reply actions
Jeremy Lamb
End of discussion
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Next game
count how many passes john wall has were the shot is missed or not finished at the rim and there was at least 6 of them tonight alone. He does have to perfect at least one part of his game… dribbling, shooting, or just be a passer. The problem is he doesn’t know when to take over the game because Flips drilled this selfish ball stuff into everyones head and it seems like everyone doesn’t know when to shoot. If Flip could just simplify the game plans, if there is even a game plan and just allow wall to play within himself as well as young etc ect.. I know everyone sees that john takes the last shot of every quarter which is unnecessary Wall doesn’t need that aded pressure flip hangs him out to dry. Our defense actually has improved a lot from last year but now we can’t score, its as if Flip has said something and the players are confused. maybe I’m alone but theres lots of blame to go around.
OMG
Hubie definitely just said (in reference to Caron): “You can’t have him working like a slave on the defensive end…”
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 11:43 PM EST reply actions
Here's the #1 reason the Wizards didn't beat the Bulls:
They got outscored by 14 points. That’s not an “almost win”, that’s a beat-down. I can’t help but think that if John Wall learned to hit just half of his lay-ups (we’re talking about hitting lay-ups), the score in these games would be very different. Maybe he just needs to put more spin & more height on the ball before he releases it.. but when you’re running full speed and releasing a ball in the hopes that it will fall downward through a net, physics is probably never going to be your friend.
i havent been as impressed with wall this year just for that reason
He has to make those but i got to throw in the fact that the boy gets NOWHERE near the foul calls he should be. Maybe it a matter of earning respect but i don’t know. When you don’t get calls you get frustrated and it effects the game.
He will learn to make those lay ups and the reason he misses a lot of them is because his shot isn’t elevating enough to hit the blackboard like he wants it to.
Wall>> rubio anyday also
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 12:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
we need 1 of 2 things in the draft shooter or pf
to me Sullinger would be perfect to play next to Mcgee he’s bulky can keep some big bodies off mcgee and allow him to use his athleticism.
or Lamb the kid is a shooter with long arms we need a guy who can simply make shots, Walll is struggling in the half court because no one in the starting line up can make an outside shot the lanes are clogged there is no room for his drives his technique on his drives are flawed but the corrections are fixable.
but we need a guy who can make a shot.
the only other caveat is Kidd Gilchrist he is gonna be a great nba player. he has a great will to win he could be the next Pippen I’d grab him if we got the chance. he plays harder than anyone in college basketball.
Barnes I don’t like has low motor and no handle at all. But he can shoot it and might be valuable being a shooter reminds me of a less tall deng without the handle.
who will make the extra pass if the shot isnt open?
That has a lot to do with my dession? And i don’t watch enough college ball (besides md and Georgetown) to know
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 12:28 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sullinger
watched him a a lot last year and always seemed to make the right play… coach’s son. Don’t know enough yet about Lamb.. haven’t had a chance to watch alot of college this year. But we obviously need SG along w/ a PF…
the thing is
And call me crazy but damn i love book at the power forward. What happened to all the Harrison Barnes hype?
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 12:36 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i hear you on Booker
gotta be real, real careful about switching him out for a guy like Sullinger who IMHO looks like he wont be able to guard anybody
so then who do we pick iyo
It wouldnt be fair to say who i would pick because my lack of knowledge right now in college ball
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i would have said Barnes but it sounds like everyone is down on him
and i havent seen enough of him this year to say.
that's what i would do also
He has skills and… He passes if the shots aren’t open
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I love me some Trevor Booker.. but as a back up
if we are going to be a contender in a few years I think we have to have a better all around PF. Book will be a hell of an energy guy off the bench… that said I’m not positive we should draft Sullinger b/c as bad as we been at SG that might be the better option… I always thought Barnes was a SF tho.. can shoot but doesn’t really bring anything else
is there any chance Book develops a reliable 15 footer?
that would make him a viable starter in my…Book
by DCrez on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
I see what you did there..
I hope he can. I just see his best contribution being energy and he’s giving up a lot of height down low
by koop1122 on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I just don't trust picking Sullinger
Maybe, maybe starting beside Javale he would work. But we see how well an active and mobile PF like Booker works beside McGee. Plus, I don’t think Sullinger will ever be an all-star. And I’d like to draft a guy that we can at least say has a chance of being one.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:56 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
JaVale and John suppose to be our all-stars...
do we really need to be drafting more players that were looking to be all stars. Obviously the more the merrier but I would rather pick some guys we feel will fit in well w/ our guys. I just don’t think Booker should be our starting PF for the future and we need a solid low post threat that will bang and rebound. Can’t say I’m positive thats Sullinger but I’m sure we’ll all have a better feel in 2-3 months
by koop1122 on Jan 12, 2012 1:04 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not go all ernie in my draft strategy
but i cant draft a non-athletic undersized PF top3 no matter what he does in college
of course
if we don’t draft him, he’s the next Kevin Love
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 12, 2012 8:31 AM EST up reply actions
Just cuz they're SUPPOSED to be all stars, doesn't mean they WILL be all stars
by mogoman on Jan 12, 2012 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Obviously
The point remains, I see Sully as a player with a much, much, much lower ceiling than should be picked top 3.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:32 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But I loved Love outta of school.
He just seemed legit. I kept saying if the Wiz could land him, he’d win a championship with Gilbert.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
But
I feel like there is pretty much no chance he’s never an all-star. I know its early to say that. But like DCrez says below, there’s just not enough potential there for me, and I’m even the type that appreciates the safe pick.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 7:01 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Neither of those guys
Are all stars, so we don’t have to worry about that.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
I like Drummond better
Sullinger isn’t athletic enough.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
i know nothing of that kid other than the scouting reports
and it’s troubling to say they least they describe him as unmotivated and guy who may just get by on natural talent…of course scouts are often wrong, but man we dont that around here if it’s true
Maybe
Honestly, I’ve only seen clips of him playing. But he looks like a monster in the making. They even say he could grow another 2-4 inches.
That said, I agree with you that if he’s a headcase, I want no part of him. But Sullinger looks to me like he could end up being more Oliver Miller than Elton Brand.
Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City "Sailor wanna hump-hump" bar, or is it getaway day and your last shot at his whiskey? Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
yeah i guess it's a tough call
we have to draft for need but on the other hand dont seem to be in a position to pass on the best talent available…i dont know really, he just looks like a beast in the making the few times i have seen him
We need someone who can shoot and create at a star level.
Anywhere on the floor. That’s our biggest need. The only way the current roster factors in is in terms of being able to absorb a scorer who isn’t a good defender. Other than that, if we identify a star SF, then we need to take him, regardless of who is on the roster.
Precisely
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:33 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I'm fine with that... only if there is a clear cut star at that position
which I don’t see right now… if we have a log jam at SF w/ young talented players it will only hurt their development and essentially waste at least one first round pick… which is something this team cannot afford.
As long as, in due time
Those young guys, the first round picks, get exchanged for at least equal value at a position of need. That’s the argument for drafting best available in a rebuild, even if it means a log jam at a position. You get the best players because they’re more valuable than not as good players.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 13, 2012 2:22 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I LOVE Gilchrist
But not for us. He can do everything but shoot
I am sitting here watch CP3 take over a game
seemingly going 10 mile per hour even though he can go 20…
granted..he has a J…
but this guy knows that controlled speed is key… if you are not under control…you lose all options…
hope John is watching….
Strickland is Calipari's assistant coach and worked with Wall at Kentucky
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
He is such a baller
I’d go as far as calling him unerrated.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions 1 recs
*underrated
Damn cell phone
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:58 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Chris Paul also has space to operate on da floor with chauncey and caron to space
by Wall is a Player on Jan 12, 2012 12:39 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
No doubt in my mind about that
But if Wall can develop at least an average jumper and control his speed, he’ll be right there. Sadly, we are miles away
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Chris Paul is just way more intelligent than
John. They’re really never going to be comparable players to be honest. CP3 was league’s ahead his rookie year too.
wade just got a late call on the fastbreak thatt wall would not get
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You have to earn calls like that.
They don’t come from no where. Wall needs to be a pretty solid finisher rather than the out of control kid he is now.
if he would get that call he would learn to gain more control eovertime he drive
He will focus more on control with the foul as insurance if he misses. Not getting any calls is the most frustrating thing that could happen to a pro especially when he misses a lay up as a result of it. Its only going to slow down johns development when hes not getting calls and its on the refs to call it
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
hard to blame Wall's development on the refs...
there’s a lot he needs to learn and improve on that the refs have no control over
by koop1122 on Jan 12, 2012 1:12 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
don't get me wrong
I was just pointing out that they could be slowing it down a little. Imo all john needs is a strengths coach and Sam cassel should be working with john all day everyday. Im not blaming the refs barely at all i just don’t think they’re helping the situation
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
If you are worried about Sullinger draft Thoma Robinson dude is a beast athletic good moves strong just short at about 6'9
I just don’t think Booker is a fulltime starter at pf . Doesn;t score enough Robinson or Sullinger would and could get buckets.
But Kidd-GilChrist is gonna be a major star incredible heart effort, athletic, smart, can dime board and defend .
The reason I actually like Sullinger is because
he’s 6’9", doesn’t really rely on athleticism, but seems to have a very refined smart offensive game and he’s obviously a strong player defensively/on the boards. We don’t need to develop some freak athlete like with McGee/Wall.
I sorta agree.thats why I said Sullinger 1st
But he’s getting fat dude injuries he’s not very fit and we’ve already been through the chubbies with Blatche.
I like Thomas Robinson same size more athletic and durable. Similar Iq and character.
I think whatever player
We undoubtedly need to address our back court issues. We dont need All star players at every position. With McGee’s emergence we can get away with both Booker and Singleton starting right now with John. We’ll just need a hell of a Jeremy Lam—- I mean SG :).
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Maybe when we are relevant I will care about him.
But we’ve gone in opposite directions since our series of 4-5 matchup’s between 06-08.
I still hate LeBron,
biggest scumbag in the NBA. We were the first team to hate him. Refs gave Miami two crucial calls!
We hated LeBron before hating LeBron was cool.
by koop1122 on Jan 12, 2012 1:40 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Took the words right out of my si... I mean mouth.
We’re as hipster as NBA fans get.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Does Crawford belong on the bench
Does seraphin belong in the d league
Do we still hate Gerald walace
Do we want to be named the bullets again?
These questions come to mind when you asked if we still hate lebron
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:33 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
answers
1. yes
2. yes
3. I don’t, but many say yes
4. me no, but many say yes
two definite yes’es out of four (and many will say yes to ’em all) mean that Wizards fans still overall hate lebron
by thewiz06 on Jan 12, 2012 1:35 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
you passed with 100% NICE
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
okay im not a wizard fan so i dont know
how can anyone hate gerald wallace, that guy is heart, fearlessness, effort, and “the little things” personified, hands down my favorite small forward in the league, and this has been true since 2005 before many knew who he was. And you say you hate him more than lebron, lebron id like to cry to refs, not finish in the 4th, and showboat and dance around sucky teams (and i mean literally dance)…..what has wallace done that is so bad that you have dropped him below lebron freakin James??!!
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Hahah, he fell on Gilbert Arenas' knee
in May 2007 and tore his MCL. Arenas and the Wizards haven’t really recovered since.
I hate that he did that but...
Gerald Wallace comes to play, and play hard, every night. Give me five of those, please.
by khrabb on Jan 12, 2012 2:43 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Imagine if he plowed into Derrick Rose's knee
Effectively ending his career and exposing his true face as kind of a nut job. Gilbert was the most beloved sports figure I will have as long as I’m a sports fan. Fair or not, I can hate Gerald Wallace for cutting that short… :’(
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by returnofswagger on Jan 12, 2012 12:41 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i think it depends
diving for a loose ball or something, id be upset, but i dont think i could hate gerald wallace for it. Although i hate james posey for shoulder rushing hinrich, and body slamming deng, but cuz he had every intention of harming my players. I think id hate the situation, and hate the play for life, but i dont know if id hate a player like gerald wallace, who really isnt a dirty player at all, for a freak accident….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 12, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
i don't hate wallace
but he is out of control. they don’t call him crash for nothing
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 12, 2012 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
I had to answers these questions
1. no
2. Yes
3. Hell Yes! — Still mad at Gil too for screwing up that day which caused him to be taken out of the starting line up. If he would have started he wouldn’t have been in the game at the start of the 2nd quarter.
4. It took me 5 or 6 years to get use to Wizards. I find with the name staying the same.
We are contractually obligated to hate bronny
It’s in the Bullets bylaws.
They won too!
So happy so it negates our loss!
Caps win! Negated by Wizards Loss, but spirits are back after a Clipper win over the Heat!
damn blake griffin wines after every call/ non call
Im glad john doesnt act like that. No matter how good you are its the easiest way to get disliked in the league
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 1:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions
well once we start winning consistently
if john’s on our team, he will expect the calls. These players on the stud teams apparently don’t think they ever foul…..
i really really really hope thats not how john turns out
Even if he becomes the next Jordan. Its ok to a certain extent but griffin didnt even shake the other teams hand. Grow up your in the nba and your good… Be humble. I didn’t think he played all that well today though and from the ganes iv been able to watch he just seems to roam around. Idk i don’t watch enough to know and he did kill us last year so…
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 2:23 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
that's what Im thinking Haha
I hope not i liked him when he first came out even if he beat jw on the Roy award but now im not so sure but that’s my opinion
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 12, 2012 2:48 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I blame the media
I followed him all through Oklahoma and he hardly even used to react.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Hope no-one took the Wizards +11 last night...
Why the Blatche DNP?
Wizards 2 main needs
1) Jeremy 2) Lamb
I’m so excited we have found partial identity and the front court rotation is starting to come together. This back court we have though is possibly as bad as they come. They just simply aren’t getting it done (I won’t even mention Lucas lighting the team up b/c I didn’t watch). Between Wall, Young and Crawford they shot a combined 10-36.
-Crawford has been playing 1 way since he got here so I’m not concerned with him.
-Wall arguably doesn’t know how to play NBA basketball
there doesn’t seem to be much more to his game at the moment than to outrace his opponents and hope to draw contact at the rim.
-Young Sushi I expected so much more from but he can’t even be relied upon as a knockdown shooter now which is disturbing. And game by game I see him slowly reverting back to his old impromptu-self, which would be cool if he was at least moving towards the rim…
By all intents and purposes BigaVale, Booker and Singleton have been holding it down but the team needs scoring out of the back court and more importantly Wall needs someone to relieve pressure off him.
Do the right thing, draft Jeremy Lamb. Thanks
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Lamb is the right choice for sure
Lamb’s main flaw on offense imho is that he isn’t great at driving to the rim….which is John Walls forte…I think they would compliment each other perfectly
by HIBACHI GOLD on Jan 12, 2012 11:33 AM EST up reply actions
Just finished watching the game
- Booker and Singleton in the starting line up is a great decision.
As soon as Shard and Crawford came in the defensive intensity lowered and into the second half and especially that embarrassing 6 offensive boards stretch late in the fourth..
- We take some bad, bad shots man…. dishearteningly bad.
Crawford, and Young stood out but really it’s the whole team. They just throw it up there, it’s really ridiculous to see. The problem doesn’t stop with taking bad shots, they are passing up good shots too! Only to settle for a lower % one….
- Wall did not play as bad as people point here
Yes his jumper is atroucious and yes he missed some mind mindbogglingly easy layups and that’s inexcusable. However, he is mostly taking shot’s he needs to take (and make but misses) More importantly he really tried to get the team into the offense, found guys even-though the spacing at times was horrible, Wall made plays. He even showed had a full-court fastbreak and pulled it out because he had 3 Bulls guarding the paint. Tháts progress in that regard in my book.
- Crawford.
He is the most frustrating player on this team to me. He is a COMPLETE black box. He doesn’t care about anything, just getting as many shot’s up as he can. He doesn’t even look to pass like he did last year and he doesn’t even try on defense. The way he got run of those screens by Korver made me yell at my laptop.
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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh
I forgot something on Wall
or rather John Lucas the 3rd.
Lucas got into the lane and scored most of his points against Mack and Young, Mack had a bad game on both sides of the floor but as a (second round) rookie after having a few good ones in the limited minutes he plays, I can live with that. However, Lucas the D league-er almost had a triple double and makes it look like Wall got outplayed by him. That’s far from the truth. Wall also did a much better job on chasing Korver.
What really bothers me is that our bigs and forwards just let Korver run off those screens. I mean, the guy setting the screen has a defender on him to doesn’t he? Make Korver run into you! Hedge it! Make the screen setter go through you and create havoc down there.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 6:35 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
Picks and screens are a major weakness for this team.
On both sides of the ball. Not having a training camp kills us in that the only place to work on those things is in a team setting, that’s not something you can practice individually.
great point about John taking the shots he should but just missing them.
what i dont understand is why he doesnt probe the defense a little more, he’s too athletic for me to believe he can only go in straight lines. Handle issue? Hope not, but he needs to keep the ball in hands longer and make the pass after he’s caused the defense to leave something open. Easier said than done of course
I didn't realize this last night...
but other mentioned it and it flew past me…
CHICAGO — Tom Thibodeau was asked before whether or not John Lucas III was starting in place of Derrick Rose, Thibodeau responded affirmatively.
“Yes, he is,” Thibodeau said.
“And who’s going to back him up?” the same reporter responded.
“Lucas,” Thibodeau said.
Everyone around the veteran coach laughed. Turns out Thibodeau wasn’t kidding.
The Bulls really didn’t have another option on this night considering Rose was out with a turf toe injury, C.J. Watson was out with an elbow injury and veteran point guard Mike James — fresh from the NBDL — didn’t arrive at the United Center until a couple minutes before the National Anthem.
Doesn’t that seem like something a coach would try to take advantage of? Run the guy of screens…pick him up full court every time…etc etc…
Is this type of info known to the opposing team before hand? Don’t the active lists provide this input?
I turned on the Miami/LA game and difference in the level of play really is astounding. Granted…those are two of the most talented teams in the NBA, but the talent difference and difference in play just jumps off the screen. We have such a long way to go.
Even if they didn't know, tghey could have adjusted on the fly
they should P&R lucas to death, haunt him like Bradley haunted Crawford in the Celtics game, have John run off screens when he is off the ball. Not to get him the ball but to let Lucas feel Booker and Seraphin bruising him.
Mindboggling to me how we didn’t try to exploit this
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 8:04 AM EST up reply actions
Michael Jackson
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
John Wall's offense is a "?" and his defense is just as bad
JLucas, who has been clawing and scratching to be in the NBA since leaving college almost has a triple double….so we can’t guard the perimeter or keep the smallest guy on the court off the boards either…..EG has a lot more work to do.
so wall is in his second year and looks worse than the rookies
at some point the excuses for wall don’t pan out
I disagree with your assessment of John's D
The parts I saw, especially in the 4th, John was playing very tough D on Korver for a good bit when they switched him on to KK. Moved his feet well and great denial. We’re all disappointed in his run so far this season, but I’ve actually seen glimmers in the last couple of games of John being able to play excellent d. That being said, Flip’s end of the game (last 5 minutes) rotation. When you have young, mcgee, and lewis in at the same time, you have a definite lack of quickness (and hustle) for rebounding purposes. Young overall is so frustrating … he moves like his is in molasses and NEVER breaks a sweat. Thank god they did not give him a long extension. Let him go at the end of the year. Of course, that means Ernie needs to go too, because in a world brim full of shooters, he can never find one. The Wiz could have won this one if not for lack of execution (somewhat forgivable as they are young and not a very high bball iq team) and intensity (inexcusable) in the last 5 minutes. Oh, and play Vesley more … he is so active out there that it is a breath of fresh air for this team that has way too many players who stand around and watch (so little off ball movement or defensive rotations) when they don’t have the ball or their man doesn’t have the ball. Ultimately, this is a poorly coached team.
I'm just happy
to see Mcgee so dominant against Noah after reading the BlogABulls FanPost slam each of our matchups. He has been a real bright spot (aside from our hustlers).
yeah Noah has been held up as the guy who Mcgee could never be due to lack of iq
so much for that theory.
what is distressing, with John’s play this season we are finding ourselves in a situation wherein if Javale leaves the franchise is well and truly fucked. we are quickly headed to a scenario where the Wiz will have no choice but to match ANY offer mcgee receives
Wall is trying hard to add scoring to his game
That said, it’s not working out. We need a top notch scorer on the roster. NY’s famous LA fadeaway is AWOL.
by Janber on Jan 12, 2012 9:37 AM EST via mobile reply actions
didthewizardswinlastnight.com
Piling on or comic relief? Does it matter?
Reason #1 why the Wiz almost won:
Derrick Rose was on the bench wearing a walking boot.
by clarkgriswold on Jan 12, 2012 10:09 AM EST reply actions 2 recs
I don't want to be the guy who sounds too cheerful here
but it seems like there’s way more pessimism than there should be. Not all losses are the same. There were games we played in this year where we looked like we’d lose to a McDonald’s All-America team. This was not one of them.
We competed extremely will for 3 1/2 quarters against one of the marquee NBA teams. They executed better in the fourth (not surprising given our youth rebuilding nature vs their experience) and the basket had a lid on it tonight. Nick won’t always shoot that badly. Dray won’t always be out (I know y’all hate him, but dude can score). Wall will have better nights and (hopefully) his jump shot will fall one of these days.
In other words, we did exactly what I hoped. We showed progress. Anyone thinking that we just needed to win eight in a row to be back in the playoff hunt is deluding himself. We didn’t win last night, but I don’t see this as a regression to last week.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jan 12, 2012 10:23 AM EST reply actions
Should have played Singleton at the 2 towards the end of the game
With NY and Crawford being ineffective on offense there was no need for them to be out there the last 6 minutes of the game, especially when they couldn’t guard Korver coming off screens. I think Singleton would have done a better job defensively and made smarter plays on offense.
by Juice34 on Jan 12, 2012 10:49 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I still maintain that we should try as hard as we can to trade for Cousins
I would offer anyone on the roster not named Wall or McGee. Vesely, Young, Booker, 2013 1st round pick for Cousins and Francisco Garcia. I would try to make the pick protected but if they insisted on it being unprotected I would still pull the trigger. This team just lacks talent. Young is gone after this year anyway. With the 2013 first rounder I dont care as much because we already will have too many young guys as it is.
We need one more guy on this roster heading into the offseason that can be labeled as a core guy. Wall and McGee are both core guys in my opion. Singleton is a keeper. Cousins would be another one. Everyone else on the roster can go. You go into the offseason with 3 legitimate starters in Wall, Cousins, McGee plus one legitmate contributor in Singleton. Bring in a new coach (I would love Calipari) and maybe a new GM. You have A TON of cap space after you amnesty Blatche and hopefully trade Shard’s expiring or he agrees to a buyout + a top 3 pick. You can find your other two starters + bench guys with those resources. Draft Barnes and overpay for Gordon so the Hornets dont match and you are looking at Wall, Gordon, Barnes, Cousins, McGee with singleton + whoever else we sign off the bench. But it all starts with trading for Cousins.
I'm with you man
Cousins a head case? Yes. But a damn talented headcase.
We only have useless headcases right now.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 12, 2012 11:27 AM EST up reply actions
I have to stop waiting for the day after to post to the Post-Game thread
I am pretty sure this has been said already but The Wiz are establishing a foundation here. We have lacked an identity for years since the Big Three left and we finally seem to have found another one.
48 minutes of Defense coupled with intense hustle for all loose balls. I love it and it works for me. That is something to build around.
During the losing steak you couldn’t tell what part of the team needed improvement because they stunk in every facet of the game. Now our faults are more identifiable. We need a shooter. Actually we need two. If Blatche doesn’t buy into the defensive intensity that the younger guys are displaying then he can go and we need to acquire a new low post scorer.
The only thing that saddens me is that it seems that Booker and Singleton are playing for the same position. Unless Booker can develop more of an offensive game I don’t see how both of them fit on this team together.
Yes the defensive effort is a strange and wonderful thing to see from this franchise...
We could have beaten a number of teams with our defense last night. Unfortunately the Bulls were not one of those teams.
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