Washington Wizards Vs. Chicago Bulls: Second-Half Thread
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Ha
Booker going for the ball like it’s a jelly donut
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jan 11, 2012 9:17 PM EST reply actions
Anyone else want to strangle the guy
Who keeps yelling for Omer Asik when Chi is on offense?
Give JaVale some post touches Dammit.
And let’s see a Jan/Singleton at the same time lineup. Create some turnovers, start the break.
Vale as offense is a relatively new development
Maybe Flip will learn, aka read on BF, that Javale is turning into a legit post player. At least I think he is.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
First J of the season?
Yessss
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Chris Singleton <3
He’s going to be a better version of Deng one day soon.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:26 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Got in a fight with the equipment manager.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 PM EST up reply actions
power play vs Flip, trying to prove his value
or his shoulder hurts, take your pick
really?
they haven’t shot well, but he’s hardly been putting guys in position to succeed either. his passing has been entirely unimpressive, i hate to say
what shots has he set guys up for that they've missed?
he hasn’t set them up at all
in which case
wouldnt you be able to make that same excuse with any and every pg in the league. The idea with those special pure pgs (cp3, nash, kidd) is that they make their teams better, they find ways to make that pass that leads to an easy layup or shot, they weave in and out of traffic in the half court and find ways to open up lanes for their men, and thats why they are elite. They dont just do it with elite players, cp3 was stacking up assits with scrubs in NO, nash is doing it now with the suns. Steve blake could get 10 assists if he was playing next to ray allen and kevin durant, but that doesnt mean steve blake is a great pg….
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 9:26 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Down 8? I'll take it..we're shooting 32.6% from the field
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yea but could have been closer if flip didn't stick to his bum line up
his itching to put lewis back in the starting line up
When Seraphin has to eat Blatche's minutes
We’re going to struggle
Bulls look like they got 6 guys on defense at times
And five bigs on the boards.
by jones-y on Jan 11, 2012 9:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Even without Rose
They still have the best parts of their defense
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seraphin looks like he won a contest or something
that let’s him dress and travel with the team.
I don’t get it at all. He looks horrible all the time.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:23 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
still winnable
I mean, John Lucas, c’mon.
NY gonna light it up in the 2nd half and we get a road win!
I like the Bullets
Nice jumper Wall
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we literally just need a good 3rd quarter.
If we can get up, they don’t have much talent on offense tonight, not to mention we’re playing great D…
We seriously just need to get one thing going on offense. Anything.
I couldn't even see who made that play, but I already knew...
SING-SING
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:24 PM EST reply actions
Dang John
just can’t make a layup. It’s purely mental at this point.
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I think they have “at the rim”
Nice pass!
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Rose must be the MVP
because Chicago looks almost as inept on offense as we do without him.
3pt shot looks so good... remember when his 15 ft shot was bad
hoping that means Wall still has a chance
Not on defense though
That’s their bread and butter IMO
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
If I'm Flip, Singleton comes out only if he needs oxygen... and only then for 30 seconds max.
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:26 PM EST reply actions
100% agree
they should have a oxygen mask waiting for him so he can just play the whole game
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
He's by far my favorite Wizard
He doesn’t give one damn about personal stats. Will just do whatever he can EVERY SINGLE PLAY to advance the cause.
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
Such a good rebound
I don’t care how short he is.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:27 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Do you think Flip will figure out...
…that Blatche shouldn’t get minutes without earning them?
booker and sing sing need to keep starting
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:28 PM EST reply actions
Yea, good god we're just so, SO good defensively with this new lineup
Not “solid”, or “competitive”.
We’re a GOOD defensive team with those two next to JaVale and Nick (sometimes John)…
with that being said...
..all we’ve seen is the raptors, and Chicago without Rose.
BUT STILL :D!!!
Booker/Sing/McGee
We actually look beastly upfront!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:29 PM EST reply actions
Booker straight up out hustled him
He’s not THAT much slower.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
That was a lack of hustle
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
The future's bright ladies and gentlemen.
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:30 PM EST reply actions
400 career blocks for javale
respect
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:31 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
if john wall learns to make that progress with his jumpshot
ill cream myself
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Haha Lucas trying to hide AGAIN!
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:32 PM EST reply actions
Wait
Didn’t they say last game that McGee hit 400?
Can't say enough about the improvement in defense
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Yeah man, Booker and SIngleton are the best thing to happen to Wall and McGee, seemingly more than others, they are young and impressionable..if the other guys on the floor with them are giving it up that energy is infectious
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 11, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
McGee playing great...andray not playing
should have been done years ago
5/8ths of a game
Under 50 points = Less than 80 a night
is that a complement for our defense?
or a shot at our offense?
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
Dudes do it here too..called the bigen
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
I hate it
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jan 11, 2012 9:44 PM EST up reply actions
Like I said
Singleton is our best 3 point shooter
I believe the dark image on his right arm
is a vagina
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Im picking him up in fantasy
Like, right now…
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:34 PM EST reply actions
Flip pissed off we came back
Inserts Seraphin
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM EST reply actions
He has CHI -11.5
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
and blatche
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
and blatche
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by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mcgee is tired. needs to take his time but playing well
Seraphin is crap.
you mean World Peace?
lol………………………………………….
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM EST up reply actions
haha Mobile rec
But I think he has way more beef on him than his reputation gave him, coming over. Could be much worse. Maybe he put on lbs over he summer, but he’s in better shape than I was lead to believe.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
and this has been another edition of words i thought I would never see....
jesus if turiaf was in we’d be so money right now
Seraphin is the worst player in the league
by baltimorebullets80 on Jan 11, 2012 9:37 PM EST reply actions
might be true
but Yi Jianlian just got called back up
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Singleton certainly seems like a potential perennial
all defensive team player….he is all over the place
so real
this is the squad that needs to start. No doubt about it
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions
Need to sub out John soon
so he can play most of the fourth
if Nick wouldnt be turrible this game
we would be dominating
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:40 PM EST reply actions
Also how to fall without hurting himself
I loved watching him drive to the basket
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 11, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
honestly though
what did we expect from a frenchman
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:42 PM EST up reply actions
We have no other big bodies
he has to play
by SkinsWizStangs on Jan 11, 2012 9:43 PM EST up reply actions
Find one...
He definitely needs time in the D League…no matter what his agent said…if his agent was smart, he would ask them to send him there so he can potentially get another contract at some point
I'm blaming it mostly on Seraphin
He’s clearly not ready
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
i say no way
but whatever, the key is to not invest too much time in him
And Singleton was 16
LOL
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
17 is not at all high
Most people drafted at 17 don’t end up being very good…
by Kenny Sky Walker on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
"Can't finish it!!!"
HUH? It was a MONSTER block
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions
McGee is the bombest player i have ever seen
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:45 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Stacey King...
Worse than Mark Jackson on the mic?
by GBurgNupe on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 PM EST via Android app reply actions
are the bulls commentators really biased?
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 PM EST reply actions
well
they are bulls commentators. If it means anything we bulls fans hate niel funk (white dude) just as much as anyone else, hes pretty bad. Stacey king probably annoys other teams fans, but hes kinda hilarious and gets super excited over everything, and hes comes up with hilarious nicknames and catchphrases, so while we get that he also kinda sucks, he has his merits. Our radio guys are gold though, especially chuck swirsky
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
Worse than Bostons crew
Stacey King is a straight up fan, while the other guy keeps mentioning our incompetence….also Gibson is the greatest thing since sliced bread
by GBurgNupe on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Can we just call him...
…“ohn Wall”?
by GBurgNupe on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Worst in the entire friggin league
I think
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
To be fair
Chicago doesn’t need Rose to play great defense, and the fact that we are able to hold them to this few of points shows were are playing defense as well
Certainly did.... only 28 in the 3rd
OT wouldn’t push it over.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Nick Young is sooo lazy
He never runs off screen on offense. He’s always jogging and on cruise control. Just look at his style of running of screens vs. Korver. Unlike Nick, Korver sprints and trys to get to the open spots very quickly. That’s why Nick is much less effective coming off of screens than other good shooter. We can’t overpay this guy.
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Our offense consists of
1. Wall in overdrive to the hole
2. McGee with increasingly efficient post moves
3. Nick Young (or JC) in an iso
4. Kick out to Singleton for 3
hahaha welcome to SING-SING
Sentence: LIFE!
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Seraphin is not very good at anything besides maybe setting screens. Makes you wonder wtf Ernie saw in him
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 9:48 PM EST reply actions
I think that's why I lean toward
Davis or Drummond. With Barnes/Jones/Sullinger as a backup
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:50 PM EST up reply actions
Flip had BETTER be setting this up
So the last 7-8 minutes are Wall/McGee/Booker/Sing/Young (or whoever)
Good coaches do that. I don’t want to see some shithole lineup out there midway through the 4th because guys are tired.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions
rashard just took some roids
and makes a shot
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions
Can we sign James Singleton, he can spell Javale
by KurisuDevil on Jan 11, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Do you know a source where i can find the remaining free agents out there?
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
John Wall did work last quarter!!
That’s what i’d like to see more of he’s being assertive, driving on the fast break gives him the best chance to score and had 3 assists alone. He’s only one of 2 pgs that can do what he does…. Also he keeps putting pressure on the defense and forcing them to sprint back that takes a toll on them too. He’s played great this quarter and made a lot of plays offensively and defensively. I cannot wait until he finishes his fast breaks at a higher percentage and knocks down a few more shots he will be BEAST.
I want javale in the dunk contest again
i swear he has even more bounce this year
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:51 PM EST reply actions
Okay it's the fourth quarter
we gotta start making shots now
I think we may come close to breaking a record
for the worst shooting team in history….
we literally have no one than has any shooters…
about deng
hes a system guy, not really a great shot creator for himself. In fact, no one outside of our point guards can create for themselves, i think this is an awesome experience for everyone on the bulls to learn where they are in terms of shortcomings offensively. I think people take for granted the production the bulls players not including rose put up, that most people that arent bulls fans forget how much the offense really centers on his ability to create for the rest of the team. He might not get assists, and he might take more shots than most people think a pg ever should, but he does it to help the team not himself…
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'd love to have Deng on my team
He’s exactly the type of guy you need on your team to win. He also plays really good defense and can guard superstars like Lebron and Carmelo. He had a bad shooting day today but he’s usually a safe bet for 15-20 pts too.
by Wizkid4eva on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hes a system guy
hes a good guy to get those open buckets, he puts the practice in, but right now hes being asked to sort of take the offensive load, and u can see him faltering, he cant do it. Hes a great team mate and a player i love on this team, but his success is a direct correlation with rose, he does a great job of sneaking around defenses when they arent looking at him, right now, the wizards are watching him, and nothings coming easy for him, and u can see his weaknesses glaring
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
how can john wall be this broke
just go in the gym and shoot jumpers, its so damn easy. Hire gilbert as a shooting coach
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 PM EST reply actions
Too deliberate
Too much hang time, too much wrist curl, just shoot the damn ball
Smh... Shooting isn't that easy it doesn't take 1 offseason to completely fix your jump shot.
But with time he’ll improve it. Derrick Rose had a worse jump shot his first two years and now look at it. Shooting a million shots doesn’t automatically guarantee you a wet jumper.
Lotta ball there...
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions
Is the referee from the movie Rebound
calling this game? Never seen so many late whistles in my life…
Buck and Phil are really objective
they never flip out on the refs, even though were a shitty team and could use some bias. Meanwhile the major teams have announcers that just suck their teams c**** the whole game
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 PM EST reply actions
yup
it’s tiresome listening to this
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 11, 2012 9:54 PM EST up reply actions
There really is something to it
When people say they’re the best.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
i dunno. i'm just playing devil's advocate
and Javale’s hit his j’s this game
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
I actually think SG is our weakest position
what about harrison barnes?
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:55 PM EST reply actions
Lamb isn't what we need IMO at 2-guard
I’d rather have a SG that can attack the defense on a consistent basis. Lamb is not that.
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Agreed
I’d still take Barnes if we were going in that direction
by mindstaterev on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
For sure
I think he’d fit in perfect. Have Sing at the 3
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
He's another Jordan Crawford though
undersized SG who just shoots
If you hate Jordan Crawford
You’ll probably dislike Austin Rivers, even though Rivers is a better shooter
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I'd prefer Lamb over Rivers
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree. Lamb has a 7 foot wingspan
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
seriously
i love booker, hes such an enforcer. BOOK DONT TAKE NO SHIT!
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
I would put Nick Young in front of a tv
and show him play after play after play of Hamilton, Allen, Korver….
that is the way he could stay in the league until he is 35…
but he won’t stick with it…
by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 9:56 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
You see how Korver runs off screens?
Nick never runs, he jogs, and it hurts our offense. We CANNOT RESIGN HIM.
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fuck you crawford
i hate you. You dont play defense and you shoot the whackest shots ever. Youre the whackest
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:58 PM EST up reply actions
Being outrebounded 23-13 this half
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hehe
Yep.
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Defense getting leaky
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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
hes so stupid
and has the most inflated ego ever. No wonder atlanta bounced him
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Ive never seen an attitude like crawfords
ITS THE WORST. get the fuck out of here
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 9:59 PM EST reply actions
He really isnt. Korver is nothing more than a spot up come of the screen shooter. Why do u think he doesnt start. If you force him to put the ball on the floor he is a ghost. Dont get me wrong he is an elite shooter. He comes from a family of shooters
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
yeah but i dont want an elite shooter who cant play defense, is slow, and you have to run a play for to be effective. That is Kyle Korver in a nutshell
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 PM EST up reply actions
He really is
He plays with more heart. He runs off screens, Nick jogs. Nick is more talented, but Korver is more valuable to the Bulls than Nick would be is they acquired him.
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by DMVLeGenD on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
sit him
NOW
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions
crawford is the biggest headcase on this team. that is saying lot with a team with nick young and andray blatche
by gregjohnson1229 on Jan 11, 2012 10:00 PM EST reply actions
We are getting fucked so bad by the zebras tonight.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:01 PM EST reply actions
what the heck is that....
We just have to accept that Crawford is a nut job…
No concept of a team game…
javale has the MOST BOUNCE!!
dunk contest round 2!!!
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions
Good thing Flip has Chi -11
SING SING has disappeared
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:02 PM EST reply actions
It's cool though, he's only +12
While Shard is -12
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
I dont understand Flip
I would sit crawford for the rest of the game. and maybe the next game
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
cmon flip
take a timout. sub crawford. figure it out.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 PM EST reply actions
Crawford trying to win the game by himself
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
These refs are ridiculous...
so many pushoffs by the Bulls
they've actually been suprisingly fair all game up to now
but we are playing the bulls in chicago…and the refs have their orders
Without Wall's speed or athleticism
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
You guys know Crawford wanted to be an NBA allstar this season!
The article is in Slam…I mean…Come the fuck on…
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions
he put it as his top priority
all you need to know
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
seriously that shit should not be acceptable on any team
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions
and his defense is putrid
"hindsight is 50-50" - Steve Spurrier
by little stevie colter on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST up reply actions
I am not joking...he plays like his goal is to get numbers
any way possible…and get out of dodge….
At this point I assume this is what ATL saw in practice…
our defense with the new line up is much improved
Glad to see Wall switch on Korver he’s faster can keep up with him and block that shot.
Book/McGee/Sing/Wall/Young
That lineup has been owning it all night.
Sing has only 5 more minutes PT than Craw… its MADDENING I say!!!
He’s gonna eff my Wiz +11 ticket right in the poopshoot!
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 PM EST reply actions
reward your big man flip!!
jesus christ i thought that was standard stuff
he prioritizes being an all star over wizards making the playoffs
when i read that i gave up
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't we ever try to flop on moving screens?
The opposing team would be called more more if our guards displayed some theatrics.
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You guys, who really cares about any of this stuff
Crawford sucks, whatever. I am just so excited watching McGee, he is a new player this year. Legitimate All Star in the making. How many Centers put in work on a hook like McGee and shows this much improvement this fast? He is gonna be a star once the organization realizes it. Everyone just be as happy as me haha
Yeah, but the scrubs are getting weeded out
It’s obvious the organization notices the bull crap and will change it. But McGee is great to have and his future is bright
by FNFWizardsFan on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't we try camping Young and Singleton and Lewis beyond the arc?
Should open up tons of space for Wall and McGee to operate down low, some open 3 point looks
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:05 PM EST reply actions
Singleton 4-6, nowhere in sight.
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
Like how wall switched and started to guard korver.
He has his flaws but you cant doubt that he plays hard and wants to win.
FUCK!! FUCK YOU FLIP!!!
THIS IS ON YOU DICKHEAD
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I'll read the rules later, sorry if that's unacceptable here.
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by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
It takes Flip 6 games to figure out stuff
that we all can see
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions
you're obviously not counting all of last season
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
your right
its way more than that….hes so stupid
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:10 PM EST up reply actions
first well timed time out of the game
actually, nick youngs was good
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:08 PM EST reply actions
Singleton
has to be scratching his head right now… wondering why he isn’t in the game…
Because Shart is -15, and Flip thinks it's like golf.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha
i dont know…flip saunders might have down syndrome
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I really hate watching Nick Young play
He plays like he doesn’t even care out there.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
very bad switch by Flip
no reason Wall should be guarding Korver…
if anything switch Singleton and Nick…
bad coaching decision imho…
But John played good D
just a great pick set
Crawford 4-11, 0 ast 3 rbd 14 pts -13
what is not getting through?
Literally, someone like Ted needs to have a talk with him…
wow
Lewis stands there and watches the ball instead of rebounding…
WHAT THE FUCK!
THIS DOESNT HAPPEN WHEN MY MAN IS IN THE GAMEE
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions
This game was there for the taking. Horrible game management by Flip. It really is puzzling.
by Bassanova on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
he's paid
he’ll retire once the contract is done. course he doesn’t care.
by young, loud and Scotty on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST up reply actions
Sing woulda had 4 rebs on that possession.
Or at least boxed out someone that allowed someone else to get a REB
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
flip has to go
Where the fuck is sing at
Crawford seriously the only good thing that came from your sorry as is the 18th pick
Young can’t shoot these last couple games
Mcgee goaltends waaay to much (but other than that had a great game)
4 fucking rebs 4 fuckin rebs
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 11, 2012 10:12 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Really? McGee needed that bashing?
He was the ONLY good thing about this game. Had a tremendous all around game tonight.
i know i gave mcgee all the credit just the goaltends
Im one of javalles biggest fans. He had 4 goaltends and i was talking about the bulls had 4 offensive rebs not bashing Mcgee
by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
JaVale didn't box out well at all tonight... no one did.
Asik got rebounds and kept balls alive on him a number of times… I still like what I’m seeing from him though.
He had 14 REBS against a team known for its solid frontcourt....
Are you nuts?
I guess if he’d boxed out, he woulda had 30.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, what does this have to do with McGee again?
By your simple math, it would have been 62-32 without him.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
it's not math it's putting your body between your man and basket
JaVale played well but still needs to do a better job of using his body instead of only his length… you can play good D like we did but doesn’t mean much when you give up 23 offensive rebounds
by koop1122 on Jan 11, 2012 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I seriously have no idea what game you just watched.
McGee had a great game.
And I know what boxing out is.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
This is ridiculous
4 offensive boards for the Bulls. Terrible.
they're full of one liners that aren't even that good
unless you work for ESPN/TNT you shouldn’t be making different stupid catch phrases every other sentence. But yes, obviously they’re right…
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or unless you're Buckhantz
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by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
but yea I watched the game with Chicago announcers, awful
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
This is so much more tolerable a game
wayyyyy better than the beginning of the season. Defense….real live defense
I disagree
we’re getting outworked by scrubs. This is the exact same thing. They just can’t score becuase they’re all role players.
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lol they are NOT scrubs
they just dont have their best player
by KurisuDevil on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
John Lucas? that's a scrub
Omer Asik? role player. Kyle Korver… role player but I consider him a scrub.
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by adamvolo on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
for 22 million a year or whatever the fuck he's getting
i would literally end every game with my dead body on the floor covered in throw up
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Oh shit, I just realized Sing has 3 fouls
He must be saving him for 4OT or something.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
Flip is the cause of this? This team is garbage
by tw10 on Jan 11, 2012 10:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
ur tripping
the starters beasted…figure it out
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Lewis just gave up....
Hes old and completely gave up there. incredible
I'll take games like this
over poor effort games any night of the week though
so this is what a team with no inside presence
and 1 semi good jump shooter looks like when you draft
3 Defensive energy players and a back up PG, and make no substantive FA signings…
if we hadn't gone back to one on one ball
we win this one…. these guys rode the short bus to school i think……
Last season I don't remember as much Cussing
Some of you new guys need to chill out a bit
by FNFWizardsFan on Jan 11, 2012 10:14 PM EST reply actions 2 recs
I've never once seen you post on here
Why the reference to new guys? WTF?
by Kenny Sky Walker on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
he's been many times
and he’s right. The cursing should dial it down a bit.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
What's the normal policy
I dropped about 10,000 comments on the Os blog and cursing at the Os is encouraged when the suck up the joint. I’ll obviously abide by whatever here. Every blog has a different set of rules.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:52 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly
1. Less strict than Blazersedge, but more strict than Camdenchat.
2. You can curse, but try to keep it to a minimum. If we see it happening again and again or out of context, that’s not good. No one is going to freak out it you drop an f bomb or two, but if keep doing it in the thread directed at the same target, it will probably get called out.
3. No personal attacks
4. None of the usual horrible stuff that gets you banned elsewhere.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Hey guys, guess what? That fanpost that guy over at the Bulls SB Nation blog wrote about us was SPOT-ON!!!!!!
i know but the bulls guy was definitely not SPOT ON!!! with 8 million exclamation marks
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
serious = sarcastic
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
who cares this is a veteran team
yea they don’t have rose…but they played like shit. they know it, their coach knows it, and their crowd knows it. shouldn’t have been this close
Rose is this team's engine. We were just beaten by a giant piece of metal on wheels.
Being pushed by John Lucas.
by tw10 on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
We make lucas
look like drose damnit
by MurlandTerps on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIT
Flip had CHI -11, I never had a chance man. Just wish he’d clue us in ahead of time.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
JaVale hardly put a body on him 2night
played well at times but if he’s going to be a very good center he needs to box out more instead of just using his length
by koop1122 on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
lmao
Now it’s just funny
Hey Flip (waves middle finger)
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:15 PM EST reply actions
NIck and crawford takin bad shots
is why we lost and shart not playing hard
by MurlandTerps on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
for God's sake we need to get rid of Crawford.
He’s Blatche in Guard form.
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by TerpsAllTheWay on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
No he hasn't
No way in hell Stacey King has ever seen a better game played at the Y. I hate that BS.
by Kenny Sky Walker on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
"I've seen some better games at the Y"
Chicago announcers on the Wiz end of game play.
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 PM EST reply actions
Rashard is awful. Crawford is awful. Nick had a bad game. Really respect the effort of Wall, Singleton, Booker, and JaVale though. Just not enough help tonight.
nick is awful too,
i mean unless he’s hot, what does he do
by KurisuDevil on Jan 11, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Well -he doesn't play matador defense.....
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Yea
nick has no bball iq, Everytime he hits i feel like it is dumb luck
by MurlandTerps on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Get Wall off the ball
and him work on the j, and mack will work it into the big men
by MurlandTerps on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
yes, yes.
but we need a second SG…its such a joke. Imagine if we would have Amnestied Rashard and signed afflalo. Could have worked nicely. We’d be defensive beasts
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
Solid -33 out of Shart/Crawford
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
haha everytime i read shart i laugh
at least we have some solid nick names for this team now
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
We lost because we couldn't make shots
That’s gonna happen with this squad, especially with a good defensive team (if not the best in the league)
BUT
We played good defense, so I’m not too mad about this game.
flip back to his old ways
Poor! rotations in the second half
John Wall got outplayed by John Lucas tonight
no way around it
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 PM EST reply actions
he never takes pride in outplaying the opposing starting PG
I think its cuz his man to man D is terrible and he knows it…
We were missing Evans and Mason!
The key cogs all along
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
How about -- 12 foul attempts
Trouble scoring? Get to the line
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
12 shots in 18 minutes and a solid -18
way to go Crawford…i hate you
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:21 PM EST up reply actions
He is also the only player to hit 3s
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
and?
if roger mason put up that many shots he’d hit 3s too
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Who gives a shit...
We weren’t having a 3-pt contest tonight. We were trying to win a basketball game.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
Crawford had 14 points and led the Wizards in scoring tonight …!!
That’s all that counts, right? That Jordan Crawford shoots more than everyone else, and gets his points!!???!
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Singleton + Crawford, only players to have more points than field goal attemps
Crawford stinks, but he’s not the reason we lost this game. far from it
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Nobody is shooting well
It’s a collective effort.
Shooting well, OR getting in the position for good shots
Much of the blame lies with Flip.
There are no cuts to the basket, no open 3’s, no layup attempts, no driving to the basket looking to get fouled.
Our offense is flat out terrible. Forget inspiration, forget rotations, Flip’s offense needs to be replaced
by Max Zamphirescu on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
actually....he played pretty significant role
as to why we lost by so much…
it was his minutes in the 4th that were the key to the game…
but yeah…32 percent won’t do it…
his defense is the WORST
and he destorys any semblance of flow by going 1 on 1 for an hour
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure anyone is saying Defense..who cares...
Two people can have bad games…and one can have a worse game…
Not mutually exclusive…
Rook is quoting JCraw
or imagining what goes through his head
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
aside from the -33 from Crawford and Rashard, how about the assists.
Other than Wall, there were 4 total assists.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Veteran teams finish games. young teams don't.
yall need to chill. only person i’d put the blame on for this is flip…terrible subbing in the final minutes.
by jaffejoe on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Yezzir, flip was tripping hard
but crawford and shart…jesus
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
if he was a shooting guard
but our frontline is on point
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
OK. Crawford and Young had no assists (not ONE) in over 60 minutes of combined playing time tonight.
And people wonder why we can’t win.
by Bassanova on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
young hit seraphin with a pass
and off course he muffed it… probably was in shock..didn’t expect it
might as well throw mason in there
on nights like this
Singleton was a +3
Booker was +1
Nick Young only a -1
Crawford -18
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
same
ppl say its just as bad as the other games, but really, we played D really well. It was better than the other games in that respect, so yeah. Better
by KurisuDevil on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
its not as bad as the other games
who said that??? lol
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
hahahaha
yes, no and maybe. I love you guys
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
personally i love gil…id bring him in as a defacto shooting coach and make john wall move in with him
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeit, he can even bring his guns if he wants.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
hard to admit this, but we could've used Blatche... He scores the ball
by CVC on Jan 11, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
He would've killed the second unit of the bulls.
PS – Boozer DISAPPEARED tonight. Total non-show.
by Craig_ on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wizards need shooters....
Unfortunately, I think the best player in the upcoming Draft for the Wizards is Sullinger…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If Young moves on as many expect him to do, couldn't Barnes fill that role?
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM EST up reply actions
I'd be pumped with Barnes
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
has wall
Outplayed ANY point guard this year. I’m serious.
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
by MadDog21 on Jan 11, 2012 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Has any point guard played for a worse team?
by hambonejackson on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
does any point guard
Have worse finishing ability? Props to walls passing though. Could of had like 15 asts
"The Wizards won thanks to John Wall JohnWalling to John Wall for the bucket for John Wall. If not for John Wall, the Washington JohnWalls would never have JohnWall’d the Utah NotJohnWalls."-mike prada
by MadDog21 on Jan 11, 2012 10:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Letting crawford model the new jersey with wall
was the worst decision….
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:25 PM EST reply actions
Vesley got manhandled
Gibson was having his way with Vesley and clearly too powerful for Ves.
Ves is better suited to guarding big 3s and perimeter 4s, not banging 4s
until he starts shooting and/or rebounding he wont matter much either way
this team is not nearly good enough for an “intangibles” guy to make a difference
John Wall should move into the gym
and shoot jumpers all day every day
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST reply actions
While Crawford rebounds for him.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
Haha... Wall would never get the ball back.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
not enough
He needs a floater
he needs to slow down on those drives
He needs to learn how to get assists off of the pick and roll
He needs a post game. He is 6’4" and should’ve taken that mouse Lucas on the block
agree with all points except the last one
he doesnt have the shooters to prevent the defense from collapsing on him
Its all about the jumper though
You’re right, he needs those things too. But if he gets the jumper our half court offense will be SO much better. And he will be pretty unguardable. The jumper is most important. Other things are fine tuning.
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
no reporter has the balls to ask tough questions
they are scared of being ostracized by the players
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
b/c he'll give them the death stare and never talk to them again
unless your chris miller…they’re boys
It would be considered bad form in the locker room
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 10:40 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
nah...hes too new to the game
cant risk that
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
i hope wall goes on like PTI or something
wilbon would do it
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
Mike has asked some exceedingly tough questions
but you direct the tough ones at Flip and Ernie. Flip will answer candidly, EG will ruminate and avoid.
Not even Mike Lee would say “Hey John, it looks like you’re having a lot of trouble with your jumper.”
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I'd direct all the REAL tough ones at Seraphin...
What’s he gonna do about it? lol
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
Uh not answer
because he doesn’t speak english that well. Honestly, Seraphin and N’Diaye are usually first out the door because no reporter ever asks to speak to them
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Well N'Diaye is literally the first out the door.
Out in Dakota now right? For some odd reason I follow him on Twitter, haha.
Will work for Recs.
by Wieters Wieners on Jan 11, 2012 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
honestly?
b/c he would never answer the question directly. and then proceed to ignore you for the rest of the year
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
Its too different an atmosphere to jude
with coaches calling fouls and ect, it tends to be very ad hoc. For the most part, yes, the starters torch the backups if they play against each other.
The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.
I agree with Wall needing a post game
He had that midget Lucas checking him. He woudl’ve been able to dominate him if he had a post game. And he desperately needs a floater.
Formerly know as iNFamous SWaGG
it was close for most of the game
not like the games where were down 20 in the first quarter and the game is already basically over
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
I liked our effort on defenses
But, man our half-court offense is non-existent.
Damn!
john wall posterizing the other john was NASTY
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:36 PM EST reply actions
Nick Young
I think other teams have figured him out
Play him close because he doesn’t have blow-by speed
Run two defenders at him from time to time.
On defense, run him ragged through screens…. Which tires him out…and negatively impacts him on offense
Stop Nick, and the Wiz have a hard time scoring
I doubt Nick scores 20 plus more than a dozen times this year
that's what im saying.
why you have him guarding korver is confusing…he’s your main offensive threat and your running him ragged on d. No reason why Sing isn’t guarding him. Again, why i blame flip for the loss.
I hope to god flip doesnt overreact
and change the starting lineup…that would suck hard
by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 11, 2012 10:39 PM EST reply actions
My favorite quotes from the bulls announcers tonight:
On Crawford:
“This young man is a gunner”
“See, he just wants to score”
“He WILL NOT PASS THE BALL, he’s not doing it”
“Thats just not a good shot, even if it went in
On the Wizards:
“I’ve seen better games played at the Y”
“Everyone is just trying to get theirs”
“I don’t understand what the Wizards are doing. All night…Seraphin had an open 8 footer and he didn’t take it…He tried to force that pass in there instead”
“They have no concept of spacing…Even when they have an open shot, a teammate is essentially forcing a defender to run at them”
“The only one trying to get others involved is John Wall, but as soon as he passes the ball he may as well run back on defense because he ain’t getting the ball back”
“The Wizards…Even John Wall!… have no idea of what a good shot is, just absolutely no idea. Thats just not a good shot, even if it went in”

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