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Raptors Vs. Wizards: Flip Saunders, Others Discuss Lineup Change

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Hello, Wizards fan. You're probably here to learn more about the new starting lineup Flip Saunders rolled out in the Wizards' first win of the season over the Toronto Raptors. As it turned out, this was a major topic during the post-game media session. Shocking, I know.

In the post-game press conference, Saunders revealed that he actually planned to make the change on Monday. He talked to Andray Blatche to reveal his plans, so this was not an injury-related thing. Blatche and Rashard Lewis actually ended up playing with the second unit in practice. In addition to that, Blatche also did injure his shoulder in practice, and the team wasn't sure either he or Lewis (ongoing knee pain per Saunders) would be able to play. Both ended up playing.

"I told [Andray] we needed some offensive punch, some stability from the bench," Saunders said.

For now, Blatche and Lewis seem on board.

"Even if it costs the job of me coming off the bench, if this is how it is all season long, as long as we playing like that I don't have no problem doing that role. It's all winning and making steps," Blatche said. ... "In that situation we won, and I like it that way, you know? As long as we got a win column on the list off a situation like that, why change it?"

(UPDATE: As DavidDunn noted, Blatche also said this: "It's fine to me, as long as we winning. If we're not winning, then that's when everything change.").

"Hey, if we can win ballgames every night, and me coming off the bench, Dray coming off the bench, let's do it," Lewis told SB Nation D.C.'s Michael Katz. "I'm all about winning. My whole motto my whole career is I do whatever it takes to win ballgames, and if we're going to win ballgames with us coming off the bench, then I'd rather win than be a starter."

Star-divide

Saunders essentially came to the conclusion that his units weren't balanced. His starters couldn't score, and the bench players were young and not scorers themselves. That's why he decided to change things up.

"To become a good team in this league, usually you become a bit better when you go to your bench," Saunders said. "Jason Terry's a starter. The good teams have somebody like that in there that's better than many of the guys they have on the floor, usually. So I thought tonight, I thought Book and Singleton played really well together, and defensively, we really got after it."

One Wizards holdover starter felt the move made a huge difference.

"We might have [a solution]," Nick Young said. "The guys we brought in from the start, Book and Chris, they bring energy and aggressiveness with me and John out there. We're trying to even it out."

Another Wizards starter disagreed slightly.

"You can't really say it's all about that," Wall said when asked about the change. "It's just all about everybody's energy. I think we all sacrificed, moved the ball and didn't worry about who was scoring."

Nevertheless, the move at least coincided in a victory. So is Saunders going to go back to the well again?

"I can't tell you that," Saunders said when I asked. "I don't want to give my scouting report to Chicago. You got to have something to think about."

He paused for a second.

"But those groups will play together, because those groups played well together."

Basically, expect the new lineup to return on Wednesday.

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I feel tears coming to my eyes

This is exactly what we all have wanted to see. Play-Wise, Energy-Wise, Quote-Wise…its beautiful. I can sleep soundly tonight my BF family. Believe that.

by Wizards Khalifa on Jan 10, 2012 11:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Watching them in person tonight...

I was happy to see the tempo of play picked up in such a fashion that it seemed purposeful (ie Wall not out of control going to the rim). C-Sing is earning his minutes out there, I’m very impressed thus far with his play.

by TerroristFistJab on Jan 10, 2012 11:26 PM EST via mobile reply actions   1 recs

Close!

Not quite that cheap, but I was sitting in the lower bowl for a Jackson and some change.

Bandwagon NoVa and MoCo jerks have inflated the price of Capitals tickets so I don’t even bother at this point. Wizards tickets are so cheap that despite the fact that the sales rep kept offering deals on a short-season plan, I told him I could just by tix from stubhub for cheaper.

by TerroristFistJab on Jan 12, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions  

i highly respect you as a commenter (for what little that's worth) but

on one hand you write passionate posts about how wizards fans shouldn’t vilify or turn on particular players, that it’s detrimental to everyone involved. then you go out and disparage a former player after we have some success?

really about the only argument you can make for blatche is that fans should be nice, and you’ve made that argument, yet here you are writing this, about someone else, who you seemingly don’t like.

hopefully i’m simply reading into this the wrong way or remembering your past posts incorrectly

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I just think Jamison throwing a fruit tray is funny

It’s a funny way to express anger, no? And at 11:27 p.m., the thought of Jamison (1) being pissed that the Wizards won a game, and (2) expressing that anger by throwing a fruit tray struck me as funny. Nothing more. You should know by now that I’m not the most mature person in the world.

I do reserve the right to disparage FORMER players, however. But how can you dislike Jamison? Well, he plays for the Cavs, there’s that. And he didn’t take too well to being benched. But he played well for this franchise and I didn’t disparage him then.

Believe me, I’ve got 30 paragraphs of Blatche jokes stored up, ready to use if he is traded. Until then, I hate to see fans turn on a Wizards player like they turned on Kwame, Blatche, and the list goes on and on.

by disgrunted on Jan 11, 2012 12:17 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I support immaturity

For the record.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 2:28 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

the key is balance

Remember everyone saying no one knew who the scorers were…

Now you have 2-3 on each team…done…

And you have energy motor guys in each line up…

It was Nick or Dray…and Crawford wasn’t going to start, so the only real option was making Dray a 6th….

Convince the guy he is Lamar Odom…and teach him and JC/Shelvin Mack to pick and roll/pick and pop…

so much to like about these rotations…

but Nick/John/Javale has to be hot….and Dray/Shard/JC has to be hot…for us to have a chance…

at least we now have options on the 1st and 2nd team…

I really hope we play well tomorrow…

by DavidDunn on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

There is an available Kardashian, yes?

Congrats, team. You git off the Schneid in fine fashion. Oh, and could somebody who was there tell me abot Vesely’s 5 steals in 14 minutes?

by khrabb on Jan 11, 2012 6:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Kardashian's are always available. Rings don't matter to them!

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 6:50 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

“You know, this could be a sign of things to come. You win all your cases, but with somebody else’s help, right? you win case after case, and then afterwards you have to go up to somebody and you have to say, “thank you.”
[pause]
Oh my God, what a f***ing nightmare!"

by steadyhand on Jan 10, 2012 11:33 PM EST reply actions  

A very funny movie...

a very underrated, funny movie

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 11, 2012 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

Blatche actually said

“As long as we are winning, I am fine on the bench….when we start losing then it is time for a change”

http://www.csnwashington.com/basketball-washington-wizards#

Sounds like a potential problem down the line…because I guarantee we have some more losses on the way…I almost got too happy

by DavidDunn on Jan 10, 2012 11:42 PM EST reply actions  

Not a problem, just Blatche being candid

We always hate it when a guy speaks his mind. He’s happy with a win, if the team loses in the same situation I’m sure we all expect Dray to be upset about losing his role and it not resulting in a change in the win column.

Either way, it doesn’t matter how he feels. Flip is the general of this team and this starting 5 decision is a step in the right direction of him showing so (even though guys were injured).

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 10, 2012 11:47 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I disagree...that is not necessary...

his exact words..

“I am fine with it, as long as were winning, if we are not winning, that is when everything changes”…

Sorry…the correct answer is…“I will do whatever is required to help the team”…

It was a bad quote….and not the right mindset…because he knows, just like us, that we won’t be winning continuously…I don’t want to hear…I am only ok with the coaches decisions when we are winning…

by DavidDunn on Jan 10, 2012 11:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I watched the video after the game

Heard exactly how it was worded. Didn’t bother me at all. Regardless of whether he said it or not, we all know he would be thinking/feeling it. That’s my point basically

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 11, 2012 12:05 AM EST up reply actions  

thats fine...I was just pointing out what he actually said

everyone can come to their own conclusion…

my hope…we keep it close against Chi and steal one from Philly at home based on familiarity from pre-season…

then we are 2-1 and the issue goes away….I just don’t want him to get frustrated or check out because I think the rotation works due to him being a threat…it balances out our teams…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 12:20 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

I dont care if he gets frustrated or checks out

I support every player on the team but they are professionals. Anyone doing that will tell me they aren’t professional enough to handle both sides of this game and it will hopefully make it easier for the organization to see what moves need to be made. Hopefully, it won’t come to that becuase I like the balance he brings to this current rotation as well.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't have any booers around me...but I said the same

exact thing to the people around me. “What are they trying to achieve by booing someone the first time they touch the ball”? Give the man a chance each game…he is still on our team you know….everyone seemed to agree.

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

because he seldomly does right

people just aren’t with him. He needs to be consistent and professional all the time

by WizKid27 on Jan 11, 2012 10:04 AM EST up reply actions  

that is fine outside of a game context

no need to boo him when we are trying to win a game and he hasn’t done anything…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 10:11 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

That booing was so lame.

The action of fans that deserve a team as bad as the Wizards.

by MR on Jan 11, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

thankfully i drink much less at games these days

because there’s a guy a few rows back of me this season who is constantly yelling stuff like “don’t dribble YOU IDIOT” when Javale touches the ball and even said “Lewis is a piece of garbage” during the Minny game….don’t think I can listen to that shit all year

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:55 PM EST up reply actions  

I took it very differently

To my ears, it sounded like he was just saying that the reason for the change is that they weren’t winning. It sounded nothing like a threat or a problem to me. So either you or I are hearing what we want to hear.

by Stanicek on Jan 11, 2012 12:59 AM EST up reply actions  

so you tell me...

Here is the quote -

It’s fine with me. as long as we’re winning. If we’re not winning, that’s when things change."

The bolded points are key….

“If” – We all know they will lose, so why state this caveat.
That’s when – Not, consider change or reevaluate….he said “that is when” things change. What was he talking about? Not the line-up. He was talking about personal feelings. “I am fine, but if we lose, I won’t be (that’s when things change)”.

I think as q said, it was candid. But it also revealed that he is not comfortable with being a bench player. Now maybe that changes over time, but the quote is a warning sign to monitor to me, if I am a coach.

The time to evaluate will be when we lose a few in a row again.

:Let’s hope he gets comfortable before that happens.

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 8:30 AM EST up reply actions  

He shouldn't be fine with riding the pine. No one should.

Players who get demoted to the bench should play as hard as they can and do everything they are asked to do on the coart to show the coach he was wrong to bench them. Thát’s the mentality every player should have, always.

I get how you think he means he will complain about coming off the bench if the team isn’t winning. That would be the wrong reaction and if he does, Flip should give him DNP’s CD, Ernie should try to trade him, or ultimately amnesty him next summer.

It’s that simple.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

Really...?
He shouldn’t be fine with riding the pine. No one should.


coulda fooled me….

Regardless…the point isn’t whether he is comfortable…the point is whether he creates unnecessary tension…his concerns and feedback on lineups should be voiced to the coach if they are negative…not the press..

which is why I said this needs to be monitored…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree Whole-Heartedly

This quote is a prime example of the entitlement Mo Evans spoke about the other day. What has Dray done to earn a starting spot. Wiz are 0-8 with Dray starting and 1-0 with him coming off the bench. They weren’t winning with him as a starter!!!! That’s why things CHANGED and he’s coming off the bench. After we lose 8 in a row with Dray coming off the bench, then we can revisit his role.

by OccupyJohnWallStreet on Jan 11, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions  

Being the 6th man on a championship contender /= riding the pine

Agree about unnecessary tension though. Hopefully, they stay competitive, he plays at 6th man level and all is well.

#thinkpositive

by jones-y on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions  

they are different...but that wasn't the context of the quote

Dray was discussing coming off the bench….not permanently riding the pine…so I am assuming that is what Dutch was referring to…if he meant no one should be comfortable in the Jack Haley role…well I am sure no one disagrees with that….

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I just wish someone would've told Dray...

that he played over 24 minutes. It’s not like he got the Trevor Booker treatment and played less than 15 minutes. He was out there. If Dray cares bout winning he’ll make the case for more minutes on the court (in practice and during games).

by TerroristFistJab on Jan 12, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he means that since we were 8-0 something needed to change. Not if we lose with him starting on the bench, then we should go back to him being a starter.

At least that’s what i hope he means.

by FTT on Jan 10, 2012 11:48 PM EST up reply actions  

listen for yourself and tell me if you think that is what he meant

I am pretty sure it wasn’t….body language and facial expressions gave away his point of view…

I expect a competitor to have that mindset…but he should also keep it to himself…

by DavidDunn on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST up reply actions  

This is exactly how it seemed to me

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jan 11, 2012 12:06 AM EST up reply actions  

wonder if aaandray will really cause trouble

when he sees his numbers increase coming off the bench…of course his numbers increasing work if he buys into the whole Lamar Odom thing

by jaffejoe on Jan 11, 2012 12:14 AM EST up reply actions  

Sounds fine to me

Really, I don’t sense any negativity in that statement at all. And you know what? TOO BAD if he doesn’t like it! Time for Dray to put on his Big Boy Pants!

by gbkdc on Jan 11, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

Even if they lose...

…this line-up (and minutes for Vesely) makes sense. Let the potential prospects play. At worst, Singleton, Booker and Vesely will end up being decent bench players. At best, they may attract attention around the league and become part of a mega trade. It seems so painful to get to this point. Jeez.

by Izman on Jan 10, 2012 11:52 PM EST reply actions  

for the firat time in almost 9 months

We put a w in the win column and dam it felt soo good. Happy to hear Blatche and Lewis are ok with the move. They played better off the bench anyway

by no more kwame's in dc on Jan 10, 2012 11:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

this is hugely disappointing

now i’ll have to find a new place to dump all my irrational anger.

great game book!

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 10, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

this is what shoulda happened against minnesota

All we ask for is effort and put the right starters out. We better bring the same effort tommorrow! I’m not expecting to win but if we do, I might pour champaign on myself! Ballin!

by Objdadon on Jan 11, 2012 12:32 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

i just watched Bulls vs Minny

Rose is so many levels above Wall currently we need to do John a favor and stop comparing them for now….I mean, Derrick just annihilated Rubio and Ridnour in the way we all want john to but he just hasnt so far. I’d like to see John get 15 assists vs the Bulls, that would be good stuff and it’s realistic.

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:14 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

+1

i would be happy if he gets 10 assists / stops shooting contested jumpers – just look for teammates.

by isum on Jan 11, 2012 1:24 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

John was 3-12 tonight, utterly abysmal

My man cant make layups….it’s really distressing, at this rate he is going to shoot 30% on the season….this just can’t be

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:28 AM EST up reply actions  

he is turning into a tall version of rajan rondo......

good for a team where every position besides pg can make buckets son, but we don’t have that so he looks like garbage…. Also like rajan, john is regressing at the free throw line.

by thewiz06 on Jan 11, 2012 9:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

except

Rondo steadily makes around 50% of his shot attempts

by jsuh0 on Jan 11, 2012 10:20 AM EST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

He sneaks to the basket bc his HOF teammates suck up all the defensive attention.

Taking nothing away from him, because a lot of it has to do with his ability to distribute. But on a team where he doesn’t have that advantage, he would struggle. Especially in his rookie/sophomore years

by jones-y on Jan 11, 2012 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Glad Tom only has one day

to game plan….but that is probably still enough for Chicago to cause us all types of trouble…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 10:17 AM EST up reply actions  

Yea I wasn't comparing Wall to Rose, they're clearly different players

Just hoping John plays well against one of the best PGs in the league. They’ll likely be guarding each other for 30+ minutes.

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jan 11, 2012 2:00 AM EST up reply actions  

the same game where rubio/ridnour shot 14/22 for 35pts 14 assists 6 boards and 7 steals? 2 sides to every game

by Mr. E on Jan 11, 2012 2:46 AM EST up reply actions  

AND

Rubio guarded Rose, but Rose didn’t guard Rubio…. and Rubio, once again, carved up the defense for 13 points (6-11), 12 assists, 4 rebounds, and 4 steals.

Rose mostly guarded Ridnour, who went 8-11 for 22 points, 2 assists, 2 rebounds and 3 steals….

So, although Offensively Rose may be in another stratosphere; defensively, he still sucks.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 11, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions  

part of that is likely the don't put out too much effort

on D because I am the offense, but that isn’t an excuse…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 8:34 AM EST up reply actions  

i think Rook is a little offbase here

the Bulls give up 87pts/game and Rose is on the floor all the time, he’s not that bad

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

His defense isn't nearly on the level of his offense

but he’s improved his d significantly this year. Saying he “sucks” is definitely an exaggeration.

by MeToo on Jan 11, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

did you happen to watch the game?

Rose completely took over the 4th quarter, to say he was by far the best player on the floor is an understatment, he is backing up that MVP for sure

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

spot on, rep rep rep

i agree the bulls will most likely own us tomorrow(like they do to 85% of the league), but i want those rotations every game because it actually looked like nba team basketball!

by FTT on Jan 11, 2012 1:09 AM EST up reply actions  

rose re-injured his toe

noah looks injured]
rip hamilton may or may not play his first game after 5 missed
cj watson, our main backup guard is injured
boozer plays like hes injured

so you guys have a chance to add win number 2 tomorrow

I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!

by piccolomair on Jan 11, 2012 2:05 AM EST up reply actions  

But Rose is ballin' like boss so far

I watched 2 Bulls games completely, some partially and some highlights. That dude, man, just unbelievably awesome to watch.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 7:14 AM EST up reply actions  

caveat

Offensively awesome…..

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jan 11, 2012 8:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Yup. And it was really pretty easy.

Simple, easy, decisive passes. Nothing special, yet our guys failed to do it game after game until last night.

by yop32 on Jan 11, 2012 7:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice win.

this is the kind of game that we should expect to win — beating what is at best an average team, on the second night of a back-to-back at home. Overall, there were plenty of positives in terms of energy and defensive hustle. It’s nice to see that Vessely is shaping up to be another high IQ player to complement Booker, Singleton and the veterans. Mack appears to fit in that category as well.

On offense, however, the ball still got stuck in a man-to-man game — Crawford in particular gets locked in on a man-to-man game. He doesn’t seem to see the floor very well and his shot selection is consistently bad. It’s much better that the minutes go to Mack, as he is the closest thing that we have to a back-up PG. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, that the Wizards best performance this year have happened when Crawford’s minutes were limited to closer to 10 to 15 instead of 20-25.

Agree with DCrez regarding the usage.

Part of the frustrating part this season is that the Wizards have taken a big step back after games where they appeared to turn the corner (e.g. following the Boston series, and then following the Knicks game). The next stretch of games is going to be a hard test for the team. Hopefully some of the energy from tonight carries over in Chicago. No one expects a win, but it would still be a step forward for this team if we see some consistent effort and solid execution tomorrow night.

by Vegas010 on Jan 11, 2012 1:10 AM EST reply actions  

All I want to see at this point is more effort like we saw last night, and...

a commitment to develop the young low-usage guys who can become a strong supporting cast to Wall and the high-usage star we hopefully draft this year.

It is not just that we won last night, though that was both a relief and a joy, it is how we won. I have been calling for Flip’s job because thorugh 8 horrendous games he had failed to make the lineup adjustments necessary to deliver on Ted’s development strategy.

Vesely, Singleton and Mack can all be extremely useful guys on a team with a couple of real blue-chip players, which is why I never questioned their selection in last year’s weak draft. So hopefully we can spend the rest of this season securing what will be our base of players going forward. If we have a chance to deal Blatche for Mayo, all the better.

by khrabb on Jan 11, 2012 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

Fools Gold

Pyschologically, it was fun and a real moral-booster, but face-it, Toronto came to town running on fumes. I support the new line-up, but this same group is gonna look real ugly when trying to score against well-rested teams or even average teams.

by MrHoops on Jan 11, 2012 8:56 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

oh make no mistake, we still suck

but at least we passed like an actual team last night. We will definitely lose more than we’ll win, but i’ll still enjoy the games if we play the rest of the games like last night. Players will develop if we play like that every game.

by FTT on Jan 11, 2012 9:07 AM EST up reply actions   2 recs

Debbie Downer ;)

The new rotation, not a line up in particular is better in my opinion, increasing our chances of success. I just want to look like an NBA team at this point. I am not assuming we are going to all of sudden become world beaters….

Let’s enjoy the win for what it is…we can get back to our regularly scheduled programming tomorrow…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 9:08 AM EST up reply actions  

true

Any win is good, but let us not get ahead of ourselves

by thewiz06 on Jan 11, 2012 9:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Playoffs!!

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 9:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Great to Get a W.... Toronto is Bad

We no doubt played our best game of the season and by no means do I want to diminish that. And I know Toronto was on the 2nd night of a back to back and probably arrived in DC very very late the night before…. But talk about an uninspiring roster. We’ve received plenty of criticism lately for having the “worst” roster in the league. What about Toronto? DeRozan can play a little and Bargnani has a lot of offensive skill, but other than them, is there a player on the roster you would really want? Ernie has taken a lot of heat in DC lately, but what is the plan in Toronto? I would not want to trade places with their fans.

by OccupyJohnWallStreet on Jan 11, 2012 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Uhm, Toronto is not a bed team. They played a bad game. There is a difference.

They are very capable of making the 8th seed in the east this yr imho.

Who won? Who lost? Who cares?! The NBA is Back! - David Aldridge

What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 9:53 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

You may be right....

They may have just enough talent to keep them mired in mediocrity… which in the NBA is the worst place to be. It’s a roster full of uninspiring average NBA players with limited ceilings imho.

by OccupyJohnWallStreet on Jan 11, 2012 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

if there's a next Dirk it's Andrea

of course there is no next Dirk, but Bargnani can light it up for sure….a team that defends and has him as primary scorer can win some games

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

They lost Bosh

I mean, I would hate to have what happened to Cleveland or Toronto happen to me.

by Unselds on Jan 11, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

"It's fine to me, as long as we winning. If we're not winning, then that's when everything change."

I love how Blatche places more of the burden on the current starters than he did on himself when the team had the 8-game losing streak. I certainly didn’t hear him lobbying for a bench role the first eight games.

by Bassanova on Jan 11, 2012 11:09 AM EST reply actions   2 recs

Such an intelligent point

I didn’t have a problem with quote until now.

But its the whole entitlement thing. Of course he thinks, he’s better than Booker and deserves to start. If anything, because this is his team and his town as far as he’s concerned.

My problem, he knows damn well there is going to be a lot more losing. So this comment comes off to me as once they need me again, which they will… when in all reality, Booker does give is a better chance to win.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 11:29 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Subunits
But those groups will play together, because those groups played well together.

I think we’ve found some subunits that play well together.

JaVale’s gambling/wild play doesn’t work with Blatche or Lewis. Until JaVale becomes more of a grizzled vet, we’re better off surrounding him with teammates with the necessary athleticism to adjust to him.

Blatche and Lewis are much headier, steadier players. Playing them together makes sense. They can’t cover for their teammates very much, but they don’t require help from their teammates as much, either.

I think Booker, Singleton, Vesely, and Turiaf (when he gets back) can complement either style. They have the athleticism to adjust to JaVale’s chaotic play and also have the discipline to play well with Lewis/Blatche.

Seraphin probably needs to be used as a sub for JaVale. He’s too raw to play with JaVale or with Lewis/Blatche. Like JaVale, he probably needs to be in there with two of Booker/Singleton/Vesely/Turiaf.

In the back court, Nick and Crawford don’t mesh at all. Wall, Mack, and Mason are much more adaptable, but the pairings I like best are Wall-Young and Mack-Crawford.

by yop32 on Jan 11, 2012 11:25 AM EST reply actions  

I think Crawford can play well with Wall

But thats in limited minutes. Unless Jordan is really taking advantage of his matchup or just hot on a given night. Otherwise, I’d like to see him play about 15 mins behind Nick and let Mack get all of the backup PG minutes. Crawford and Young is what isn’t productive.

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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

Wall Crawford have the worst +/- together of the entire team

I think we will be seeing a lot less of that going forward…

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 11:37 AM EST up reply actions  

did fans know what Flip had in Mack before he did?

i really hope last night wasnt an aberration and he continues to get burn

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 11:34 AM EST up reply actions  

It isn't ... Flip said so...

He basically is removing Jordan from PG responsibilities…he now has two PGs…Mack and Wall. He has moved JC to the 2 for the time being….

by DavidDunn on Jan 11, 2012 11:38 AM EST up reply actions  

If performance is any factor

Then he should keep getting pt. He showed vision, the ability to control tempo, and a jumper like nobody had on this squad. A couple times last night I thought, “ohhh good decision Wall, you must be learning.” Only to realize it was Mack with the ball making the good decision, not Wall.

Flip of all people should appreciate the true PG nature of his game. And the sweet stroke is a (mini) canteen full of water in the Sahara that is our team of non-shooters.

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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 11:41 AM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

+1 on the mini-canteen

someone on here said if Mack plays a lot that Wall will feel the heat….cant make pronouncements on 1 game, but if Wall is going to shoot 30% it’s not hard to envision a heady player like Mack looking pretty damn good when he’s in

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Wall's take

he doesn’t seem to buy any of it other than everyone involved had more of a spirit of cooperation. and shaed the ball/

LMAO at Blatche’s comments. so basically he’s saying the next loss and I’m calling bs on this bench thing. so how long before the winning streak ends and there’s a problem what less than 10-11 hours LOL.

the way Flip is handiling this whole thing is cowardly. Just bench the guys ad say this is how it is. All this conversation and rationalizing this crap is silly as hell.

You don’t have to justify your actions with a 1 win team come on coach man up.

Last nights win to me is a by product of the opponent not of the Wizards figuring things out. more trouble ahead.

by jazzy1 on Jan 11, 2012 12:29 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I think John is very disappointed in himself

3-12 for 8pts….that’s just garbage and he feels it.

but yeah, Toronto was terrible last night we probably would have won if Blatche and Lewis started…Dray had the highest +/- on the team and Lewis played his best game of the year

however the dynamic with Book/Singleton in the starting lineup is just much better, gotta stay with it.

to your point about flip’s rationalizing, he also had to say that Dray/Lewis whooped the first team in practice…agree with you, he should not be justifying everything and spinning angles just do it

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm all for Booker/Singleton

I don’t even want Blatche/Lewis on this team. who cares about them beating the starting line up why even put that out there. almost seems like Flip made the change because he was nudged to make the change by EG or Ted.

Wall is frustrated you can see it in everything he’s doing on the court. every jumper he takes its not in rhythm when he drives the lanes are clogged. The team is not built around his skills and the style of play not to his strength’s.

he is to blame for some of his woes but I put it o the coaches and also the organization. Rose has shooting and scoring around him, Rubio has shooting around him Wall has high volume gunners around him. Not a shooter on the team.

by jazzy1 on Jan 11, 2012 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

This
You (Flip) don’t have to justify your actions with a 1 win team come on coach man up.

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What seems to be the officer, problem? - Randy Marsh

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 11, 2012 12:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Blatche is even less articulate than Saunders.

I don’t think we can decipher what he intended to say with any degree of confidence.

As for the “rationalizing” by Saunders being “cowardly”: He still has to try to win with these players. He still has to try to coach them, to try to get them to play together as a team.

They’re going to win few games anyway. Without some scoring from Blatche and/or Lewis, they’re not going to win any. And winning no more games would not help anyone on the team, in the organization, or among the fan base.

Is Saunders helping perpetuate a culture of entitlement? Certainly. But since Grunfeld refused to support any of the few moves either Jordan or Saunders made in trying to curb the egos and actions of players, I’m not sure what else the coach can do (other than just quit, and it seems highly unlikely he’s going to do that).

As it is, Flip’s trying to transition from “good cop” to “bad cop.” It’s probably too late for that transformation to be effective, and if you’ve ever coached, or taught, or even been a parent, you know how difficult that effort is.

by MeToo on Jan 11, 2012 1:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Flip is a pushover

and the reason Dray feels perfectly comfortable basically threatening the lineup HIS COACH CHOSE is because Flip is the kind of guy who goes to the media and makes a point of massaging his vets egos.

by DCrez on Jan 11, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm just glad it came out that Blatche and Shart were on the bench by the coaches decision, rather than injury.

The move has so much more impact if he comes out before the game and says the young guys are starting because the vets aren’t doing what they’re supposed to.

Instead, like you said, he’s the pushover that is worried about the feelings of players who put themselves before their teams.

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by returnofswagger on Jan 11, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I feel like Flip has read everything on the blog

and made every change we suggested. Got the starting lineup we wanted, which involved benching Blatche and got Mack in there. It was so good to the younger guys play well. Hope we put up a solid effort against a much better Bulls team.

by DaGribb on Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM EST reply actions  

Mike and I used to chat with him every night

over a cup of cocoa and some gingersnaps.

Then they cut Othyus and I’ve stopped returning his calls.

The artist formerly known as ledellforlife.

by Sean Fagan on Jan 11, 2012 3:59 PM EST up reply actions   2 recs

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