On Ernie's Drafts, Grotesques, and Overvaluing Talent
Ernie G took the reins of the Wizards on 30 June 2003. The goal of this piece is to dispel a myth about Ernie---that his drafts have sucked---while examining some truths about his tenure.
Myth: Ernie has drafted like a dolt
Let's start with last year's first round pick, John Wall. This was a no-brainer: everyone in the NBA would have picked Wall, and he was the best 2010 draftee in the 2010-2011 season. No credit or blame for Ernie on this one.
Now let's split Ernie's other picks into groups:
- High 1st Round Picks: Vesely (6-2011)
- Intermediate 1st Round Picks: Singleton (18-2011), Seraphin (17-2010), Booker (23-2010), McGee (18-2008), Young (16-2007), Pecherov (18-2006).
- Second Round Picks: Mack (34-2011), McGuire (47-2007), Veremeenko (48-2006), Blatche (49-2005), Ramos (32-2004).
The second round picks are okay. Blatche may not be that great, but he represents good value for a second round pick. Ramos and Veremeenko were stiffs. McGuire was feisty bunch presence. Mack could be an acceptable backup point guard, which ain't saying all that much, but what do you expect in the second round?
A fair assessment of Ernie's draft record is to say that he got good value given his draft slots.
Truth: Ernie has a predilection for grotesques
Look again at the list of 1st round picks. They share a common characteristic: they are very good at a few things, and awful at others. Part of this is a consequence of picking in the middle of the first round a lot---by that time, the well-rounded guys are often gone. But Ernie has acquired grotesques in a variety of ways. Here are some examples of grotesque Wizards, past and present:
- Nick Young (my favorite Wizard): Young can defend and score efficiently. He cannot pass or rebound. At all.
- Javale McGee: Runs the floor beautiful (when not dribbling), finishes at the rim, blocks shots. He can't shoot, he has a limited post game, he doesn't rebound well, and he is not a strong defensive presence.
- Chris Singleton: Great defender. His offensive game is lacking, particularly the ability to shoot from distance (which, alas, is a handy skill for a defensive specialist).
- John Wall: Explosive offensive talent, good passer. Can't defend or shoot.
- Antawn Jamison: Great (and unorthodox) scorer, good rebounder. Can't defend.
- Andray Blatche: Good rebounder, skilled for a big man, decent shooter. On the downside...well, really, his work speaks for itself.
Some of this is Ernie's fault, but some of it is also a consequence of being neither good enough or bad enough. When you have the 17th pick, finding a good player is hard enough without also having to pick a complement to your current players.
Truth: Ernie's real problems have been overvaluing his players and bad luck
Andray Blatche was a fine second round pick. Ernie's mistake has been thinking that he is more than that.
Ernie traded the 5th pick in the 2009 draft to make a title run with a team led by Arenas, Jamison, and Butler. Enough said.
Ernie traded the 5th pick for Antawn Jamison. I love Antawn, but he creates as many problems for his own team as he does for its opponent.
So far as bad luck is concerned, Arenas's knee injury was a devastating blow. Ditto Caron's injury problems.
Truth: The Wizards should start over
The Wizards current roster is a mess: full of players with some skills that don't mesh into a team. The GM, whomever it may be, has to identify the pieces that can fit together, strip away the others, and look for reinforcements. Next year's draft should be a strong one, so that will help.
If I were in charge, I'd keep Wall and pair him with a shooting guard who can defend and shoot. Singleton and Vesely should be given a chance to show that they are the answer at small forward, though I'd really prefer a small forward who can shoot from distance. Either the power forward or center has to be a defensive presence. If such a player is available in the draft at power forward, keep McGee; otherwise, it is time to move on at both positions. Mack, Booker, Crawford, and Seraphin can stay around as bench players (McGee too until he becomes too expensive). Nick would be an ideal bench player, but he wants to get paid, so he is gone.
This represents the view of the user who wrote the FanPost, and not the entire Bullets Forever community. We're a place of many opinions, not just one.
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When your team is predominantly first and second year players
You’re already starting over.
The problem is that EG tends to focus on BPA, rather than on role. It’s the difference between the Thunder rebuild and ours.
Clarification accepted...
That’s fair—-I guess what I meant by “start over” is that the team should unload Young, McGee, and Blatche (and Crawford), which represents a lot of the current core. If those players could be moved for picks in next year’s draft, that’d be great.
I don’t accept the Thunder comparison. The Thunder lucked into Durant and then had 3 other top 6 lottery picks soon after. The Wizards got John Wall and have had 1 other top 6 pick (Vesely). There should one more pick in the top 6 next year, and perhaps 1 the year after that. But the key here is Durant, and drafting a player like that isn’t really model—-it’s luck.
Durant, Westbrook, Harden
vs.
Wall, Vessely, Take your pick of any college or european player in the universe…
Do you think we would have a chance in a best of 7 the next 5-8 years?
We better hope Westbrook’s ego is too big to stay…
Regardless, those top 6 picks are not looking like they are going to pay off as well…
We'd have no chance, I agree---but that's not the point
The key is Durant, not Westbrook or Harden. Those guys are good, but he may be the best player in the league. We got John Wall, they got Kevin Durant. That’s not due to a model—-it’s due to good fortune. The Thunder would have picked Wall, just as EG did, and EG would have picked Durant, just as the Thunder did.
Ditto for Westbrook and Harden. Westbrook was perhaps controversial, but I don’t believe Harden was. The past two drafts have been stinkers, and that’s when the Wizards have had their two high picks. Just like the Wizards got the top pick in the Kwame draft. The Thunder, again, had better fortune.
Just to be clear, I’m not apologizing for EG. He’s been the boss man for 8 years and the returns have been less than impressive. I would replace him. But I think this talk of a Thunder model is idiotic—-being in position to acquire the best player (perhaps) in the league with the second pick is good fortune, pure and simple.
NH
We are starting over.
the only group that probably has got to go is some combination of Blatche/McGee/Young.
Wall is here for at least his first contract until he shows the world that he’s the next Kwame.
With regards to trading the 5th pick in 2009,
he did what Abe Pollin asked of him. Abe Pollin was in win-now mode and did not want to draft for potential at #5, he wanted proven assets that could put the team over the edge. Grunfeld just did what he was told to do. Sure, the trade didn’t pan out and Mike Miller/Randy Foye really aren’t that great, but that’s a pretty good pick-up if that’s the plan you’re following. If Pollin had told Grunfeld to use the pick in the draft and find a stud, I’m sure Ernie would have made a pretty good pick there.
"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely
He did what Abe Pollin told him.
Since you’re giving Ernie a pass for the 2009 draft/trade fiasco, it would be worth discussing how you know Abe forced Ernie’s hand. Is this a guess or is it a known fact? Because either way it’s not a complement to Ernie – if you’re right, it means that Ernie let himself be rolled by Abe despite his better judgment, and if you’re wrong and Ernie was the author of this trade, it means that Ernie decided to trade the future for the present oblivious to the serious nature of Arenas’s knee injury. Moreover, a smarter GM would have known that the consistently out-rebounded Wizards primary need in 2009 was interior defense – a need that neither Miller nor Foye were capable of filling.
A strong GM doesn’t let himself get put into the position of a yes man for his boss (as a counter-example, Red Auerbach threatened to leave the Celtics when one Celtic owner tried to tell Red how to run the team). And a top-rank GM doesn’t trade the future for the present unless he’s absolutely sure he’s got the building blocks in hand to make that move. Whichever way you want to evaluate Grunfeld’s role in the Miller/Foye trade, it doesn’t reflect well on his record as a general manager.
by Koperro on Jan 1, 2012 4:00 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
not sure how long you've been around BF
but there was quite a lot of discussion back then about trading away the 5th for vets, and if I recall, the general view was that the organisation was going all-in to win for Abe given his ailing health. Now, whether that meant Abe expressely told Grunfeld to trade the pick for vets, or whether Grunfeld made that operational decision given the strategic directive from the owner, I’m not sure. But either way, when we were in win-now mode, it made logical sense to trade the pick. Secondary issue is whether we got good value from the trade. Clearly in hindsight, the answer is: no. But at the time, I think people on BF were equally divided (or maybe even slightly in favour of what we got from the trade)…
What is this with Singleton and Vesely lacking shooting distance?
Is shooting a 3 far enough away? Because both can hit them.
Really? That is good to hear.
Hambone:
If Singleton and Vesely are good three point shooters, that’d be awesome. I looked at Singleton’s three point percentages in college—-33, 30, 37—-and was not awed. I didn’t watch many FSU games though, so I’ll happily accept correction.
As for Vesely, I know next to nothing. My impression, mostly from this site, is that he runs the floor well, finishes well, defends well, and just generally knows how to play. I had thought that he struggles to put the ball on the floor and is a so-so shooter. Again, if that is false, so much the better, as I’d really like to see the team win.
NH
I have seen Jan play and he is not a good shooter
He is inconsistant and if he is forced to drible, he’d be better off passing it back to Wall. If he does shoot, it should be a catch and shoot.
Think about this: he is a low usage player who dunked on the majority of his FG attempts, how in the world did he only shoot 50% from the floor? (hint it wasn’t because he was missing dunks). Also, he stuggles from the FT line, barely hitting them at a 50% clip.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jan 2, 2012 7:56 AM EST up reply actions
welcome to the site
you make some good points. good luck.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jan 1, 2012 9:08 PM EST reply actions
EG acts like...
….a small market GM. That is, he’s looking for value in the shoals. For example, he’ll chase international players, tweeners, and projects.
DC is a big market. We need a GM who thinks big and acts aggressively. For example, the 6th, 18th, and 34th picks in last year’s draft were not going to fill this team’s voids. According to the Post, we could have used these 3 picks to trade up, which many people said at the time, we should do.
Why anybody would have confidence that EG would pick wisely in the upcoming draft is beyond me. But, more importantly, one draft choice isn’t the answer for the Wiz. There needs to be an overall strategic plan that fills each position (and ultimately the bench) with synergistic players. EG hasn’t demonstrated that he gets it. If anything, he runs scared.
by Izman on Jan 2, 2012 9:20 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Unfortuantely Ted is the one making him behave like a small market GM
signing Gil from GS was a huge, bold move as were the moves to put together the Supposed3. But Ted wants to go slow, and cheap, because that’s the “right” way….fair enough, however EG has never shown exceptional acumen for assessing draft talent, he has always been better about making moves re: current players.
Actually
For example, the 6th, 18th, and 34th picks in last year’s draft were not going to fill this team’s voids. According to the Post, we could have used these 3 picks to trade up, which many people said at the time, we should do.
Wait a minute – don’t let FACTS get in the way of you making your point….!!!
The deal was the ACTUALLY 6th, 18th AND the Wizards first round pick in 2012….. to move up.
From Ted Leonsis, Owner of the Washington Wizards …..
Before we begin, we did have a discussion on moving up in the draft. The price was our 6th pick; our 18th pick; AND our first round pick for next season.
Now Izman – tell me you would have done THAT trade! Tell me that Derrick Williams or Enes Kanter was worth three FIRST ROUND PICKS!!
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
his record speaks for itself
his biggest problem is that only singleton plays defense
only wall rebounds well for his position- jamison is ok as you noted
it is hard to win consistently in this league giving up 103 or more points a game
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 11:26 PM EST reply actions
defense and rebounding…they are inter-related when talking about giving up too many points every game
by les boulez bomber on Jan 3, 2012 11:28 PM EST up reply actions

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