Links: Jordan Crawford Stirs The Pot, The Lockout Version Of Playing Chicken
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 12:24 PM EDT
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PrintHey, y'all. Mike's out this weekend, he'll be back on Monday. Lockout negotiations continue today, and it looks like a high stakes game of chicken. Are you watching closely? Here's a sampling of NBA and Wizards news heard 'round the Net for you starving hoops hooligans before lockout news drowns the blogosphere:
Mr. Michael Lee's wrap-up of the lockout league Impact Competitive Training series had an interesting quote.
If you look at all [the Dallas Maverick] interviews, they always said Dirk [Nowitzki] was the best player, without no controversy. They didn’t try to take no shine, so, I think that’s the main thing we’ve got to overcome.What I wouldn't give to know exactly what (and who) he's talking about. Oh, and Jan Vesely will be joining Wall and Co. in L.A. YES! (thanks to djnnnou) [Michael Lee]
As most of you should be aware, Kobe Bryant may be playing in Italy soon, and Ziller notices the timing. Maybe it's a bluff, and maybe it isn't. Meh. Of course this tweet from John Wall hits a little closer to home.
I'm ready to take a trip overseas to explore the world more!!It's fairly innocuous and he is a young guy, but as Ziller said re: Kobe, the timing can't be ignored. [Twitter]
No league is driven by its superstars like the NBA. Yahoo! Sports' Adrian Wojnarowski takes a look with some help from Dwyane Wade on just what superstars are really worth to their franchises and comes to the conclusion that not only are they underpaid, but very underpaid. You know what? I can't really disagree. [Yahoo! Sports]
SI's Ian Thomsen lays down a good primer for today's lockout meeting. If you need a quick refresher to get a handle on what's going down in New York, check it out. [Sports Illustrated]
Mr. West goes to Washington. Delonte West is gainfully employed at Regency Furniture Showrooms. If that sounds familiar to you, DC faithful, it's because the company is based in DC, Maryland, and northern Virginia. Great PR move, Regency, golf clap. [International Business Times]
Speaking of Lebron, Jonathan Tjarks of SBNation contrasts the fallout of The Decision, and Phillies pitcher's Cliff Lee's decision to take less money to play in a star-studded rotation. [SBNation]
More lockout tactics from the players' union: Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, and Chris Bosh have apparently planned some kind of "All-Star Event" at Florida International University. Details to be announced today, super readers. [Chicago Tribune]
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Vesely news
Wall has suggested that the Wizards organize a session in Los Angeles, since Wall, Crawford, McGee and Nick Young train there in the offseason. First-round draft pick Jan Vesely is expected to arrive in Los Angeles next week to work out during the lockout as well. Michael Lee
Heh
That’s what I get for rushing this out, great catch!
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Great news!
I was wondering when Jan would catch a plain.
Wonder though how his visa situation is now. Last yr they F’d up Seraphins’ visa and that was whithout a lockout…
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
*plane....
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Just goes to show
how stupid English is as a language.
If it were a programming language, no one would use it.
Although I think language influences culture, and English-speaking cultures certainly have plenty of accomplishments to their credit, so maybe there’s something to the ambiguity of a ridiculously amorphous language like English engendering flexible thinkers. Perhaps Steve Nash wouldn’t be such a creative player if, say, French were his native language.
Hmm. Perhaps I shouldn’t comment in these threads under the influence of caffeine …
"Now, obviously individual production does not unilaterally equal better team production, but there's a high level of causation."
by Vanilla Gorilla on Oct 1, 2011 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, it's not the language. I just suck at writing in english and typing in general.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Oct 1, 2011 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
believe me English is one of the easiest languages to learn
and that’s coming from a guy whose native language isn’t English…
I wuz tinkin da
saim tin an I iz Amerukan
by hambonejackson on Oct 1, 2011 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Speking of Seraphin
he’s playing right now!
http://www.sport24.me/streams/CreepyTV4.html
he already played a game and was killing it
in 29 minutes he had 21 points (7/9 and 7/10ft), 4 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1 foul, 2 turnovers
by daca on Sep 30, 2011 2:08 PM EDT reply actions 3 recs
Pretty in pink. Or is that puce?
Festival triplista y victoria for the highlights.
by djnnnou on Sep 30, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its gotta be Blatche that Crawford is referring to
I mean, nobody else on the team could possibly fit that mold. Which would explain why nobody came to workout with Dray except for Chris and Hamady.
Yep its Blatche.
Lewis has his newly wife and kids sitting in DC already. I assume, as the elder states man, he has a say and that actually means wifey has a say…
Hope this doesnt get ugly.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ya never know, he could mean Pierre or Nick
Those are the guys who are all out there together. Nick can hold his own against anyone on Earth in these pickup type games and Javale is pretty full of himself. Who knows what is going on out there with those guys. Maybe they bristle sometimes at Wall’s leadership?
But yeah, probably did mean Dray
by DCrez on Sep 30, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Too much uncertainty to be sure
Dangerous to read too much into it…for now…but we’ll be watching closely for a follow-up quote, that’s for sure
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Talking about the 'G' Team....
tubing me some Wiz Khalifa but stumbled on the 2.0….. This shit is real good!
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd have to agree with this
possibly referencing Blatche wanting more touches last season? I mean, I don’t think Crawford was here yet then but there was probably a lot more behind the scenes.
So what if Kobe goes?
Is he ready for soda cans and trash thrown at him at visiting arenas?
Cops will turn their heads.
Is he ready for cheap shots from opposing teams who are jealous?
Ref’s will turn their heads.
This is pro-ball overseas. Georgetown style.
No guarantee’s overseas, except that you will not be treated as a superstar away from home like you are here in the good ‘ol US of A.
Hope it’s worth it.
Worth it to send a message?
Like Tom said, it’s Kobe. But even if it sucks…you’re spending your downtime in Italy.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The message will be to make sure Kobe gets most of the salary cap space.
I think it will backfire on the NBPA.
If he’s successful then the Big Time Player Agents will say "see, all of our Superstars need to get paid $30 to $40 million. You can divey up the rest of the ($14-24million) for the rest of the team.
If he’s unsuccessful, like quitting or the Triangle floor and players around him suck, then it will be a catastrophe for the NBPA. It will show no options. They will come crawling back to the table.
Ha! I think he couldnt make more than 7 million over here
Basketball aint no soccer and we’re having a little trouble of our own unfortunately.
His status means a lot less here where over half of the population thinks he might be some sort of american idol participant or something.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
not true, imho
Are you saying there is a league somewhere that Kobe isnt good enough to be successful in? He’ll do just fine in Italy….and the threat to the owners is this- last thing they need is for the best player on every team to go play overseas somewhere. Ted isnt going to sweat Trev playing in Israel, but if John signs overseas and plays…that’s the totality of his franchise’s worth, playing somewhere else, possibly injured, possibly liking it too much etc, etc.
If the Union wants to punch Stern in the face, the big dogs need to start signing elsewhere
He will be coddled more in international play than in the nba
the fans there will actually love him, even opposing teams will be excited at the revenue they will make when their team plays the legendary kobe bryant. I think this idea that international players will give him a hard cheap shot is so fictional. He is a cash cow more in international games than in nba games. Kobe is the number 1 favorite nba player in international countries. No ones hurting him, players are bound to ask him for autographs after games before trying to hurt or injure him.
I dont care what the D.N.A. Says, the Guy wearing number 12 Cannot be Kirk Hinrich, he is definetly Kurt. Kirk can actually play basketball!
re you saying there is a league somewhere that Kobe isnt good enough to be successful in?
Hell no, he’ll be the best player on what ever team he’ll play for.
He will be coddled more in international play than in the nba
Yes, that’s true but like I said. Basketball aint no soccer, not by a long shot. The best of the best make even less than the league average for the NBA you know… All the really big corporate sponsorship’s are focused on soccer because that’s the #1 #2 ánd #3 sport over here.
Think of it as the difference between american football and basketball. Times 10.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
they're offering to pay Kobe $3mill for 10 games
that’s big money even by soccer standards isnt it?
Wow.... that's more than I would have tought indeed.
Guess I underestimated it then. For 10 games??? That’s absurd. Especially in Italy who, financially, are not in a great shape at all.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
by Dutch Hoopfan on Sep 30, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
The key figure is "$3million." That's nothing to the NBA
So Kobe is going to go overseas and for $3million he is going to risk losing $25,000,000 this year alone.
Enjoy your Taj Mahal in LA Kobe. No need risking that kind of change.
by jmpalomo on Sep 30, 2011 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
One thing is for sure after Georgetown. No Big Dog's playing in China.
And you can take that to the bank.
No big dog’s playing in Turkey either. They might not pay you.
Those Dan Grunfeld articles have been good, eh?
Although I had to swallow my gorge at the ‘Losing a year of Lebron in his prime’ bit…once I got past the title, it was a great read
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There are already nba guys playing in china
Kobe has the highest selling jersey in China, more than Yao or Yi and Chinese fans loved the Redeem Team at Bejing. Throw guaranteed money at players and they’ll go imho
I hadnt looked at it like this
The owner of every team has to see his best player as invaluable to his business. So if the best player on every team really did find another job, that is putting more pressure on the league than I used to think it would.
It was a really disconnected thing for me to think Kobe or Dwight Howard would go oversees. And it was probably the same for Leonsis. But for me to think Wall and the biggest asset for each team will find work elsewhere, that’s a pretty real threat at the owners.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Oct 1, 2011 11:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
game of chicken
the owners are assuming the players have to cave because so many big time guys stand to lose so much money…..however it does a 180 if the players dont cave, and suddenly all the talent is looking to earn a few million here or there overseas. Then each owner sits up at night thinking “What if my guy shreds his knee on some sloppy court in Bucharest?”
To localize it…just think of the hammer blow it would be to Ted if Wall signed a $6mill deal overseas. That is dangerous territory on several levels that the owners should not want to get into.
Yeah
When I looked at it like Wall and Ted rather than some distant thing, that when it hit home.
Wall is Ted’s guy, he’s the guy he would take under his wing, or give whatever he needs, the guy he plans on paying 100’s of millions, and his one biggest asset(maybe in all of his businesses).
And now we are talking about Wall giving his services to someone else, and somebody else signing his paychecks. And what if Wall up and tears his body up playing for some other owner.
Maybe that’s all nothing but I think if you are a proud business man, that stuff has an affect on you.
I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.
by returnofswagger on Oct 1, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think the players will allow decertification if there's still a shot at a season.
Which seems like the only context in which agents will wield that much power. Other than that…you seem to be assuming the opposite of Woj reports Dwayne Wade telling him. The agents are agitators, but if there’s no superstar will, there’s no bounce. No bounce, no play.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Sep 30, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Who's team
When a player start paying salaries, it’ll be his team, until then shut the F up.
I was somewhat surprised by a comment on Vesely's Twitter page..
Regarding John Wall’s encounter with (now retired former Wizard great) Zydrunas Ilgauskas:
The funniest basketball fight ever!!! Hahaha http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W-YAu5Z48c
But even as he mocked John Wall’s pugilistic skill, Vesely may have endeared himself to another Wizards player. In response to a question of 4/2/11, “VCU or Butler today?”, the young Czech replied:
@JRSportBrief Butler all day!
More at http://twitter.com/#!/24JanVesely/
that's not Vesely's official Twitterpage...
That’s made by some Serbian fan (all of his tweets are in Serbian) doubt it that he wouldn’t tweet some stuff in Czech…
I was a fan of the Ron Artest incident, myself...
Everytime he lies down on the table, it kills me
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 1, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it's a "little guy vs. big guy" thing
I don’t read that — at all — as “mocking Wall’s pugilistic skill.” People here like to stir the pot, I tell you that.
by Kenny Sky Walker on Oct 3, 2011 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of like David b****-slapping Goliath...
in that light it is pretty funny…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Oct 3, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Wade punches Stern!
No, but I am sure he wanted to.LeBron and friends said" Lets get out of here" after hearing Sterns offer of 46%. This, after talks were described as “spirit of cooperation”. I really believe any split with players had better have a 5 as the 1st number for anything to get done. I must wonder how serious Stern is to continue to low ball. He can’t offer something that won’t get voted through the Union. So Stern to say they are far apart is self serving. At least offer 48% so the goal posts look like they are moving. I am afraid both sides are starting to dig in.
The problem is the bigger market teams are not interested in revenue sharing, so Stern is offering Sacramento salaries to these players. What Stern needs to do is accept contraction as a viable alternative.
Stern credits himself too much with the success of the league.
Players have far, FAR more to do with the game’s success than Stern does not that he doesnt also deserve credit.
And isnt he talking out of both sides of his ass when he preaches how popular the league was last season, but then condemns Wade for getting the Heatles together? That’s exactly why the league did so well last year
I think Stern is mad at Wade
for saying in public that he can make 50 million if there were no cap. Fridays meeting was 5 hours with no proposals. So what did they talk about? What I did over the summer? They must betalking about something. That something might be contraction. The cap is set at the lowest common denominator. Its not set by Mark Cuban. For Wade to say what he said is to bring up contraction in public.The Union can’t talk about it because its lost jobs and Stern can’t because he represents the owners.So out comes Wade.Lets just blow that cap away. The only way they can do that is by contracting the league.
by hambonejackson on Oct 1, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Re: revenue sharing
“While the labor agreement remains out of reach, one critical piece of the N.B.A.’s new economy — a broader revenue-sharing plan — is nearly in place. Stern said the league would triple its revenue-sharing pool next season and quadruple it by the third year of a new labor deal. The league has presented the outline to the union, which had been demanding more information about the revenue-sharing plan as part of the negotiations.”
Howard Beck in the NYTimes
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/01/sports/basketball/another-day-passes-without-nba-deal.html?src=recg
Interesting
I was just reading yesterday the big market teams were saying no. Maybe Stern told the big market teams not to worry, we will take it out of the players salaries. We all still be pulling in the same big profits we always do.
by hambonejackson on Oct 1, 2011 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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