NBA Lockout Off-Topic Theater: Play Us A Song, Flip Saunders
Welcome to an NBA Lockout Series that will draw cinematic and/or literary parallels to present Wizards personnel. The lockout is long, and subjects to write on have become increasingly spare. Prepare for basketball-flavored gruel, and that is as close to an apology as you're getting.
Without further ado, the third edition of Off-Topic Theater will take a slight detour and address the renewed Flip Saunders debate with help of Mr. Billy Joel.
midnight's passed on the lockout date
the regular crowd's logging in
there's an old theme posted in front of me
Flip Saunders can't teach how to win
it reads, "Son, can you answer this memory
I think we all know how it goes
he needs veterans, grown men, and I'll say it again
we'll be better if he hits the road
Gil Gil Gil, no KG
Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG
take a look back, and agree with me
take a look back tonight
well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see
hope everyone's feeling all right
KG up in Boston's a star we know
brought in to form the Big Three
and the man never chokes and he brought a ring home
but there's one change that he'd like to see
'I have my own doubts about loyalty
youth ain't a thing you get back
if I had a shot to do it again
I'd leave Minny and never look back'
Gil Gil Gil, no KG
Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG
now Chauncey's the guy we all point to
who scored no rings under Flip
well if it's asking you need, he still points to Rasheed
thinks that cost them one championship
and what would have happened to Dirk?
if Mark Cuban the Mabs didn't own?
and what would you think of Coach Carlisle
if they didn't bring the O'Brien home?
take a look back, and agree with me
take a look back tonight
well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see
hope everyone's feeling all right
But we're here to talk about Flip Saunders
so what do his players have to say?
Flip'll win says KG and for all the trouble with Sheed
he hates Chris Sheridan more
you say the team is all younger players
well I think that management knows
they're aware of the coach that they've hired
'no jerks' policy could smooth out the road
Gil Gil Gil, no KG
Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG
take a look back, and agree with me
take a look back tonight
well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see
hope everyone's feeling all right
There's been a rash of bad news today with respect to the lockout, so I put today's piece on hold for awhile, and it looks like there will be something to write about come Friday. In the meantime, however, I still believe in Flip Saunders. When I look at his run with the TImberwolves, I see Dirk Nowitzki without Mark Cuban. Rick Carlisle did an amazing job with the Mavericks, but could he have done it without Cuban never sparing a single expense to give the team every edge money could buy? Who knows...maybe he made it harder. But a cut rate owner simply would have loosed Dampier at the All-Star break and I don't believe anyone thinks the magic happens without Tyson Chandler. That's not excusing Flip, and I don't think he would want to excused for not putting together a winner in Minnesota. But simply asserting that he had Kevin Garnett is not nearly enough. Especially when your supporting evidence includes names like Wally Sczcerbiak.
Detroit is a more damning scenario, because Flip was simply unable to cope with Rasheed Wallace's personality. Yes, Chauncey Billups is on the record as saying he thinks that dynamic cost the Pistons a championship (though he cites a lack of maximum effort), but many of us will likely see fit to lay that responsibility at Flip's doorstep.
The real question that seems to be on most of our minds, when competitive fires are well and truly stoked, is whether or not the team will trust Flip to make the right decisions. Ted has a 'no jerks' policy, which I think mitigates the possiblity of a Rasheed situation popping back up. What is going to have to happen is that as our team is growing, Flip is going to have prove to the team with his rotations, play-calling, and general game management that they don't have to wonder if he's making those right decisions. With that trust, we can run as complex or simple a system as we need to and ride it into the sunset. Our ceiling without it? Well, I don't think we'll make it an hour past an Eastern Conference Finals loss without a resounding chorus of 'I told you so.' Play us a song, Flip Saunders. We're all in the mood for a memory, this is your best chance to shine.
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Not a winning system, not a player motivator. Other than that a fine coach...
I’d like to say I like Flip. I appreciate that there has been incremental improvement in the play of some of the youngsters. He understands how to design a defense. He’s decent in making adjustments based on match-ups. I don’t like his demeanor with the media, handling things publicly instead of in house. And it seems he ticks off his players somewhat over time. And good god he needs to get over his ex-wife KG. BUt still, he’s a solid coach in many respects. A pro.
Still, more than anything I’m no fan of his offensive system. He works too hard to create bad shots, and his preferred methodology is not a great fit for our team’s best strengths. If you walk back through all years of available data on Flip’s teams, every year he is among the league leaders in jumpers at the ‘long two’, just inside the three point line:
http://hoopdata.com/teamshotlocs.aspx
(Yes don’t bother linking me the ‘shxt shot’ article, I’ve been saying this before he landed in Detroit).
Point being he consistently likes to run plays to develop open jumpshots for his off guard and face-up bigs. Whether this is staggered screens on curl patterns or pin screens in the pain or high post jumpers from KG/Sheed/McDyess etc. Flip would prefer to have his guys shooting with nobody guarding them, often after some motion or misdirection.
Solid plan, right? Shoot open shots? Fine, except what it leads to is a great deal of activity ‘til late in the clock, winding up in a low-percentage long range 2pt shot, taken with your bigs out of position to rebound, and since it’s an open shot, no chance for a free throw.
The system thrives best on smart savvy jumpshooters. Your Rip Hamilton, Chauncey, Wally Z types. This team has one player who has that skill set, in Nick Young, but 3 years into it he’s only 30 pages into that 700 page playbook. The system puts a great deal of pressure on the PG to take the ball up, make the calls and reads, and run the system. But this tends to work best with a savvy deliberate calm veteran floor general who can walk the ball up and watch what develops.
Flip’s systems rarely take full advantage of one of the key weapons in any team’s arsenal (in the new no-hand-check era)— the attack off the dribble. The PG is the primary ballhandler, with the first pass often to the mid/high-post big (who is the secondary decision-maker while the PG runs a baseline cut) but the system is not designed to iso talented ballhanders to clear out the middle and force the opponents to check-up on D or foul when beat.. In fact the paint is often clogged with down-screening forwards to trap opponent defenders to allow for that open mid-range jumper.
Set plays rather than player creativity are the order of the day. And as such the team is easier to gameplan against in the postseason when coaches become familiar with the sets and can actually choose to defend the mid-range instead of letting you take a crappy low-percentage shot for free. And refs allow more clutching and grabbing to slow-up your complex offensive machinery.
All of which is a poor match to our team’s primary talent, and weaknesses. We have a length and speed and creativity mismatch (in a positive way) in 3 or more positions (Johnny Ballgame, N1-on-5, and uh, ‘Pierre’ McGee). Adding the bouncing Czech to the roster adds another similar read. These are uptempo improvisational artists more than cogs in an engine. And to be frank, many of our best talents aren’t winning any chess tournaments, you understand. Still, even putting all the decisionmaking in the hands of our rookie point is tricky — a cunning instinctive predator like JimmyWall has to check up and out-think an opponent instead of reacting quicker than thought. Speed of reaction is our forte. Run with it, literally.
Granted, to run uptempo, you need to force misses and collect rebounds. Still,aside from that shortcoming, this team would do best with a system like the Coach Cal Dribble Drive Motion system, that gives it’s players freedom to create. Even if Cal is a disingenuous and unctuous bastid.
So. Flip is a witty fellow, a longsuffering guy who landed in the wrong situation for what he thought he was getting, I just think his strengths are an awkward fit for this roster. I’d have no problem with that is I thought his was the right way, but so far it’s not proven to be an ironclad playoff-tempered method. So, if it’s him or them, I dunno. Them I guess.
Though Teddy will give him a year at least I’m sure. No point eating the contract for free in a shortened year.
by doclinkin on Aug 2, 2011 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
It's almost too bad Lawrence Frank got hired, because he had a great dribble-drive system in Jersey that unleashed Devin Harris
And Wall>>>Harris.
Good stuff, doc, and I generally agree that Flip has a year to prove himself.
Hey - welcome back Doc...
Haven’t seen you post in a while – always enjoy your stuff (even if I don’t always agree)….
One thing that people keep harping on is that Flip wants to generate open mid-range jump shots… but doesn’t necessarily like to run… And generally speaking, for most of ht
But I saw a change last year… especially in the second half of the year. Flip was constantly yelling at the PG (usually Wall) to push the ball. Constantly. Also, the second half (after the Arenas trade and the trade of Hinrich), he seemed to change the offense. Made it simpler. Scrapped his 700 page playbook and most of the “hawk” sets – and instead went to more pick-and-rolls – while giving John Wall (and Jordan Crawford) more freedom to create. There were STILL set plays, but usually those were initiated after the ball was pushed over half court- and there was no obvious mismatch- In other words, the half court offense usually started a bit later in the clock, after looking for a seam to drive, or a mismatch on the opponent’s switch from offense to defense.
Whenever we get back to playing basketball, I think the Wizards will be the fastest team in the League…. One of the most exciting fast break, alley oop and dunking teams in the League… They may not win a lot of games… but they’ll be very exciting. And I think Flip will continue to allow the players the ability to create – like he did in the second half last year…
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I believe
That would make it the second year in a row that Flip has changed game plans through the season.
I remember he went with a new offense when we traded every one away, giving the ball to dray for postups, and the two guard offense (i think it was called that) with livingston at point.
This past season it did seem that the offense started out with the gameplan going through Dray and Nick in the half court, but later on the in the season it seemed to be more geared towards John and Jordan.
So that shows Flip has the ability to adapt. I think the more he simplifies his offense, the better it looks. (at least with this group)
The big gripe I have with Flip is that he uses his past too much to determine his future. He used KG to model how to handle Dray. He used Rip to model how to handle Nick. He used Chauncey to model how to handle Gil. I wish instead of using previous examples, he would find a model for each individual player. I mean you have to use experience to help make decisions, I just think he goes too far with it at times.
I think Nick doesn’t need to be running around for most of the game, he can get the same shots off the dribble that he does off of a screen, and be more in rhythm.
I think Dray is a face up PF who uses his speed to get to the rim, instead of backing down and using his strength.
I think John is best served with Pick and Rolls designed for him to get to the rim, instead of dribbling parallel to the rim.
I think there are some changes that would help this team that I wish Flip would enforce. I just think he makes up his mind based off of previous players instead of current players’ abilities.
we were 2nd in the league in 16-23ft FGAs in Flip's 1st year
In Flip’s 2nd year, we led the league in that category with 24.5 attempts per night
Sad part is
We were dead last in fg% from that area as well…
Whoa! Heya doc!
Question: Is there a point at which an improved jump shooting attack led by Nick Young, but including John, Andray, maybe Trevor/Chris makes him a more viable coach for this team in your opinion, especially in light of how he’s been adapting his style and playbook to the roster? Or do you think it’s just a poor fit in DC and we’d benefit from bringing in an un-crazy version of Don Nelson?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
rec'd x 100x
that is exactly what i have been saying, but far better than I ever said it. There is a large body of work from flip to look back on and the results are clear- midrange jumpshooting team that’s near bottom of the league in FTAs. He is what he is, and he is what we’ve got. We’ll see

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