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NBA Lockout Off-Topic Theater: Play Us A Song, Flip Saunders

Welcome to an NBA Lockout Series that will draw cinematic and/or literary parallels to present Wizards personnel.  The lockout is long, and subjects to write on have become increasingly spare.  Prepare for basketball-flavored gruel, and that is as close to an apology as you're getting. 

Without further ado, the third edition of Off-Topic Theater will take a slight detour and address the renewed Flip Saunders debate with help of Mr. Billy Joel.

Star-divide

midnight's passed on the lockout date

the regular crowd's logging in

there's an old theme posted in front of me

Flip Saunders can't teach how to win

 

it reads, "Son, can you answer this memory

I think we all know how it goes

he needs veterans, grown men, and I'll say it again

we'll be better if he hits the road

 

Gil Gil Gil, no KG

Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG

 

take a look back, and agree with me

take a look back tonight

well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see

hope everyone's feeling all right

 

KG up in Boston's a star we know

brought in to form the Big Three

and the man never chokes and he brought a ring home

but there's one change that he'd like to see

'I have my own doubts about loyalty

youth ain't a thing you get back

if I had a shot to do it again

I'd leave Minny and never look  back'

 

Gil Gil Gil, no KG

Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG

 

now Chauncey's the guy we all point to

who scored no rings under Flip

well if it's asking you need, he still points to Rasheed

thinks that cost them one championship

 

and what would have happened to  Dirk?

if Mark Cuban the Mabs didn't own?

and what would you think of Coach Carlisle

if they didn't bring the O'Brien home?

 

take a look back, and agree with me

take a look back tonight

well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see

hope everyone's feeling all right

 

But we're here to talk about Flip Saunders

so what do his players have to say?

Flip'll win says KG and for all the trouble with Sheed

he hates Chris Sheridan more

you say the team is all younger players

well I think that management knows

they're aware of the coach that they've hired

'no jerks' policy could smooth out the road

 

Gil Gil Gil, no KG

Gil Gil Gil, no KG, KG

 

take a look back, and agree with me

take a look back tonight

well we're all in the mood for a rebuild see

hope everyone's feeling all right

There's been a rash of bad news today with respect to the lockout, so I put today's piece on hold for awhile, and it looks like there will be something to write about come Friday.  In the meantime, however, I still believe in Flip Saunders.  When I look at his run with the TImberwolves, I see Dirk Nowitzki without Mark Cuban.  Rick Carlisle did an amazing job with the Mavericks, but could he have done it without Cuban never sparing a single expense to give the team every edge money could buy?  Who knows...maybe he made it harder.  But a cut rate owner simply would have loosed Dampier at the All-Star break and I don't believe anyone thinks the magic happens without Tyson Chandler.  That's not excusing Flip, and I don't think he would want to excused for not putting together a winner in Minnesota.  But simply asserting that he had Kevin Garnett is not nearly enough.  Especially when your supporting evidence includes names like Wally Sczcerbiak.

Detroit is a more damning scenario, because Flip was simply unable to cope with Rasheed Wallace's personality.  Yes, Chauncey Billups is on the record as saying he thinks that dynamic cost the Pistons a championship (though he cites a lack of maximum effort), but many of us will likely see fit to lay that responsibility at Flip's doorstep.

The real question that seems to be on most of our minds, when competitive fires are well and truly stoked, is whether or not the team will trust Flip to make the right decisions.  Ted has a 'no jerks' policy, which I think mitigates the possiblity of a Rasheed situation popping back up.  What is going to have to happen is that as our team is growing, Flip is going to have prove to the team with his rotations, play-calling, and general game management that they don't have to wonder if he's making those right decisions.  With that trust, we can run as complex or simple a system as we need to and ride it into the sunset.  Our ceiling without it?  Well, I don't think we'll make it an hour past an Eastern Conference Finals loss without a resounding chorus of 'I told you so.'  Play us a song, Flip Saunders.  We're all in the mood for a memory, this is your best chance to shine.

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Hey - welcome back Doc...

Haven’t seen you post in a while – always enjoy your stuff (even if I don’t always agree)….

One thing that people keep harping on is that Flip wants to generate open mid-range jump shots… but doesn’t necessarily like to run… And generally speaking, for most of ht

But I saw a change last year… especially in the second half of the year. Flip was constantly yelling at the PG (usually Wall) to push the ball. Constantly. Also, the second half (after the Arenas trade and the trade of Hinrich), he seemed to change the offense. Made it simpler. Scrapped his 700 page playbook and most of the “hawk” sets – and instead went to more pick-and-rolls – while giving John Wall (and Jordan Crawford) more freedom to create. There were STILL set plays, but usually those were initiated after the ball was pushed over half court- and there was no obvious mismatch- In other words, the half court offense usually started a bit later in the clock, after looking for a seam to drive, or a mismatch on the opponent’s switch from offense to defense.

Whenever we get back to playing basketball, I think the Wizards will be the fastest team in the League…. One of the most exciting fast break, alley oop and dunking teams in the League… They may not win a lot of games… but they’ll be very exciting. And I think Flip will continue to allow the players the ability to create – like he did in the second half last year…

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 2, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

That should read:

And generally speaking, for most of his career, you’d be absolutely right….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 2, 2011 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I believe

That would make it the second year in a row that Flip has changed game plans through the season.

I remember he went with a new offense when we traded every one away, giving the ball to dray for postups, and the two guard offense (i think it was called that) with livingston at point.

This past season it did seem that the offense started out with the gameplan going through Dray and Nick in the half court, but later on the in the season it seemed to be more geared towards John and Jordan.

So that shows Flip has the ability to adapt. I think the more he simplifies his offense, the better it looks. (at least with this group)

The big gripe I have with Flip is that he uses his past too much to determine his future. He used KG to model how to handle Dray. He used Rip to model how to handle Nick. He used Chauncey to model how to handle Gil. I wish instead of using previous examples, he would find a model for each individual player. I mean you have to use experience to help make decisions, I just think he goes too far with it at times.

I think Nick doesn’t need to be running around for most of the game, he can get the same shots off the dribble that he does off of a screen, and be more in rhythm.

I think Dray is a face up PF who uses his speed to get to the rim, instead of backing down and using his strength.

I think John is best served with Pick and Rolls designed for him to get to the rim, instead of dribbling parallel to the rim.

I think there are some changes that would help this team that I wish Flip would enforce. I just think he makes up his mind based off of previous players instead of current players’ abilities.

by gray16 on Aug 3, 2011 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

we were 2nd in the league in 16-23ft FGAs in Flip's 1st year

In Flip’s 2nd year, we led the league in that category with 24.5 attempts per night

by DCrez on Aug 3, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sad part is

We were dead last in fg% from that area as well…

by gray16 on Aug 3, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa! Heya doc!

Question: Is there a point at which an improved jump shooting attack led by Nick Young, but including John, Andray, maybe Trevor/Chris makes him a more viable coach for this team in your opinion, especially in light of how he’s been adapting his style and playbook to the roster? Or do you think it’s just a poor fit in DC and we’d benefit from bringing in an un-crazy version of Don Nelson?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Aug 2, 2011 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd x 100x

that is exactly what i have been saying, but far better than I ever said it. There is a large body of work from flip to look back on and the results are clear- midrange jumpshooting team that’s near bottom of the league in FTAs. He is what he is, and he is what we’ve got. We’ll see

by DCrez on Aug 3, 2011 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

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