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Nick Young, Jordan Crawford And The Black Box

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When I was a senior in college, I took a class called Introducing New Media.  I figured it'd be one of those blow-off classes I could get away with while blogging and slaving at the school newspaper.  Instead of taking a class where I had to learn brand-new concepts, I figured I might as well do something where I was embedded in that world anyway. 

As we all know, college classes are almost never what they seem.  This wasn't a new media class as much as it was a class about literature and the technologies used to transmit them.  There were a ton of papers and I definitely handed in at least one a week late.  But it was actually kind of a cool class, because we studied the way a medium affects the way literature is received.  At the end of the year, we finally got into the new media stuff, and there was one concept that really intrigued me: technological convergence.

The theory is essentially as follows: as our technology advances, there's a tendency to want to create one device that allows you to do pretty much anything.  That device is known as the "black box," and the theory is the "black box theory" for shorthand.  That's the idea behind the smartphone.  It's a telephone that lets you make calls, check email, go on the Internet, play games, (sometimes) watch TV, take pictures and, if you have an iPhone, listen to music.  Proponents of this theory suggest it's only inevitable that we'll soon get to the point where one device allows us to do practically anything. 

The theory's run into a lot of problems, though, for one specific reason.  Sure, it's nice to be able to do all those things with a smartphone, but when push comes to shove and you want to watch a movie, where are you going to do it?  Are you going to use your smartphone or are you going to curl up on your couch and use your home entertainment system on your 50-inch HDTV with surround sound?  As long as you're home, the choice is easy. 

Why am I telling you all of this?  Because I was thinking about this theory when thinking about Nick Young, Jordan Crawford and how to build an elite NBA team.

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What does it take to build a winning NBA team?  In recent years, there's been a trend towards wanting multi-dimensional players that aren't tied down to a position or a skill.  Your KGs, your LeBrons, your Josh Smiths, your Russell Westbrooks, etc.  The logical extension here is that the NBA will soon be a place where everyone on the court needs to be a black box. 

At the same time, is a "black box" team really ideal?  The Mavericks won the NBA title with guys who had fairly defined roles.  Jason Kidd was the distributor.  Jason Terry was the shooter.  Dirk Nowitzki was THE MAN offensively.  Tyson Chandler was THE MAN defensively.  They defeated a team of black boxes, with three all-world wing talents who did a lot of the same things.  Then again, the Mavericks also had Shawn Marion, the quintessential "black box" player, and the Heat were effective with a center who basically only was good at one thing (pick and roll defense).  See why this is complex?

Anyway, back to Nick Young.  In this analogy, Young is like your home entertainment system.  For specific uses, it's great.  For watching a movie, nothing is better.  For hitting a spot-up jumper, almost nobody is better than Nick in the league.  For watching sports?  Your home entertainment system is great.  For hitting transition threes?  Nick's pretty damn good.  But would you ever use your home entertainment system as a computer?  Of course not.  Would you pack your home entertainment system to watch a movie on the train?  You can't.  It has a specific use and it is very good at it, just as Young has specific skills that he does well.

This would make Jordan Crawford the black box.  Crawford is capable of scoring in bunches.  He can shoot open shots.  He can handle the ball and make plays.  He can fight on defense.  He can exhibit a sort of fearlessness that wakes up the whole team.  But at this point, does he do any of those things especially well within a team setting?  Will he ever specialize enough to do any of those things at an elite level?  At this point, the jury is still out.  Crawford's basically like your smartphone.  In a pinch, he can take pictures, upload video, watch TV, listen to music, check email and surf the web.  But like the smartphone, is Crawford really replacing any of your more specialized devices?  Would you ditch your computer because you can just use your smartphone to surf the web?

To make matters more interesting, Young is a free agent.  This is like if you're losing an income stream and need to decide what is worth keeping.  Do you need your home entertainment system when it could potentially soak up more of your resources, or can you get by with your black box when you want to watch a movie? Is it worth having your home entertainment system if you still lack a more foundational device like a laptop?

I don't have an answer for any of these things.  My point, though, is that most media scholars accept that while our world is featuring more black boxes, we will never reach a point where one device makes all the others obsolete.  Embrace specialization for what it is.  There's value in having players on your basketball team like Young who specialize.  Don't get caught up in having a team with too many black boxes.  At the same time, black boxes are helpful too, and a group of specialists means nothing without some black boxes sprinkled in.

Now you see why the Nick Young situations has no easy answer.

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Fabulous analogy Mike.....

Well written, well said.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 3:06 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Very interesting read

And a lot of great points in there.

by gray16 on Aug 16, 2011 3:07 PM EDT reply actions  

And Crawford CAN be a black box....

He just needs three things
1. To get a little better with his shot selection….
2. Improve his shooting percentages… or stop taking 3-point shots, because he does enough other things well that even if he doesn’t shoot 3’s, he’d still be a pretty good “black box”…
3. Change his defense from “energetic” to effective.

I have great faith that Flip Saunders and his coaching staff can help Crawford get there – It may take a couple years… but I have faith (and patience)..

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions  

If a “black box” is a do everything kind of player – then Jordan Crawford can become that kind of player…. If he has better shot selection (and therefore higher shooting percentages) , and gets better on defense (which he should, since he was only a Rookie last year)… He already does lots of things well…

He has good ball handling skills
He’s got terrific court sense/vision
He’s a pretty good rebounder for a Guard (3.6 per game as a starter)
He can obviously create shots for others (4.7 assists per game as a starter).
He’s pretty good at getting to the rim.
He’s got OK athleticism.
At 6’4", he’s got OK size ….(below average, but passable)
He plays with energy and focus (something not EVERY Wizard player did last year).

Again – if he improves his efficiency (shot selection) and gets better on defense…. He could be one of those do-everything kind of combo guards that a team needs. A “black box”…

to avoid being a black box, Crawford would have to specialize on one thing…. Become a PG , and run the team and dish assists…. Concentrate on 3-point shooting, become a shut down defender.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the upside of a black box

But really, the black box is a device that does a lot of things, but none particularly well.

by Mike Prada on Aug 16, 2011 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, not exactly

A black box is a device that does lots of things well… but nothing that it is great at….

Your cell phone takes a good picture – but not GREAT.
Your cell phone can get your email – but it’s slower than your computer…

So the cell phone does a lot of things… some of them well, but your cell phone is NOT the best device for any one of the things….

That’s exactly how I see Crawford….
He’ll never be as great as Wall at distributing the ball, but he’ll be good.
He’ll never be the best rebounding SG in the league, but he’ll be good.
He’ll never be the best finisher, but he’ll be good..
He’ll never be the best shooter, but hopefully he’ll be adequate….

So Crawford has the opportunity to be good or OK at lots of things… but I don’t see any elite skills there…

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not that lacking elite skills is bad.....

and hopefully Crawford continues to develop into a good player for the Wizards…

As far as elite – the Wizards have a few players with either elite skills or elite abilities….
Wall has the base skills, athleticism and mind set to become an all-around elite player.
JaVale is an elite athlete… with the POTENTIAL to be an elite defender.
Young is (in my mind) an elite catch-and-shoot 3-point threat

Then there are the guys with potential
Vesely has the potential to be an elite finisher (ala Blake Griffin)
Singleton has the attitude, raw skill set and potential to be an elite defender.

In my mind, the Wizards need another all-around elite player next to John Wall – and they need some of their other “potential” guys to develop into their elite-ness.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I think mike is saying

Jcraw IS a blackbox…. albiet not a shawn marion black box, but a “wizards black box.” and Jcraw being or not being a black box is not the final point he’s trying to make. his point I think and my comment is; Nick has a specialty that is much welcomed, and yes I think we need that specialty to be a perennial contender.

by Bcc on Aug 16, 2011 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

and

Jcraw is a wiz black box in his rookie year. As wiz fans all we has is patience.

by Bcc on Aug 16, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Best part about this situation

It will play itself out. If Crawford doesn’t improve, he will get passed by, because we have a better option sitting here on our roster in Nick Young.

If Crawford does get better, then Nick better do so too. Or he will lose his starting job to the do-it-all young guy.

All this just demands that Nick doesn’t get overpaid aka handed a starting job with a starter-level contract.

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Aug 16, 2011 3:26 PM EDT reply actions  

One year deal

That would seem to make the most sense for Nick.
He will become an unrestricted free agent, and there will be fewer SGs on the market in 2012, but more teams with cap space because of Howard and Paul (and maybe Williams). Plus, Young and Crawford have the same representation. Seems like it’s in the best interest of their agent to have them on different clubs.

by djnnnou on Aug 16, 2011 5:37 PM EDT reply actions  

What if we did a front loaded contract

Give Nick bucu bucks next year, like 8-9 mil, then his 2 years after that give him 4 mil. That’s a 3 year 17 million dollar contract. We don’t need the money next year, that is clear, and 8 mil wouldn’t hurt us financially even if we wanted to do moves, and then we would have plenty of money the following 2 years to use on other players.

And at the same time, if Nick does well, we get him for three years (or he’s a great trading piece), if he does bad, he doesn’t hurt you financially down the road. Win-Win.

What do people think about this, and to Tom or Rook, is this possible? I thought I read that something similar happened with Nick Collison or someone.

by gray16 on Aug 16, 2011 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes - the current CBA allows for front loaded contracts....

But they rarely ever get done… Agents tend to want to get the maximum dollars for their clients… and that includes the 10% maximum raises allowed by the current CBA…

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 16, 2011 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well

If we really want to keep Nick ,and another team offers him a little more than we should pay, this would be the way I would go to try to get around it. I don’t see why Nick or his agent wouldn’t agree to more money just because it’s a front loaded contract, but if they did, it’s their loss.

by gray16 on Aug 17, 2011 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that I read what happened with Collison

I realize that his deal was a contract extension with a signing bonus to include all the money that OKC was under the cap for, over 6 mil. We can’t do that with Nick since he is a FA.

Guess that throws that option out the window.

by gray16 on Aug 17, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

But if there aren't any other road bumps

I guess we could always combine our ideas. Sign Nick to a 1 year contract, and extend him while giving him extra money next year. Either that or simply sign him for a decent 1 year contract and just simply extend him half way through (I guess that would be easier lol)

by gray16 on Aug 17, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

You got to love JC’s swag. (in the past)When NY misses a few shots or doesn’t get a call, he loses focus and gets what I would call a hang dog attitude. Things seem to affect his game. When He’s hitting the lean back j he’s awsome. It’s when he’s missing or getting beat on the break due to crying about not getting a call.
On the flip side I’ve seen nothing like that with Crawford. Like a baller he could miss and grab the rebound and give his opponent a facial. Since He’s moving toward the basket (mostly) He’ll get calls that NY won’t with his fade. God love NY start Him, but let JC start if He’s more of an asset.
FYI I went to the KY pros vrs DR last night. Lots of love for the pros who just couldn’t get it going, Wall sat on the bench alot not sure why. He wasn’t that deadly with his j.
Don’t go to the 2nd game tonight too far.

by Janber on Aug 16, 2011 10:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Don’t = didn’t
damn iPhone

by Janber on Aug 16, 2011 10:51 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

okay I see the Young/Crawford thing is hott

I like this Mike.

But a few things I quibble with the Nick Young lovers about . His place in the league pecking order.

Nick averages 17pts 2.7 boards, 1 assist,.7 steals. 44% fg

when I look at him friom a stat perspective and evaluate his talent overall and his potential the things that are clear to me are.

1. Nick won’t get much better his numbers I’d suspect will fluctuate between 17-19ppg in his career if he remains a starter lower if he becomes a 6th man.
2. Nick Young is very talented on skillset he’s like a broke Kobe very poor man but he has similar skills though not as athletic. If Nick maxed his talent with fearlessness he could be an elite 2 guard.
3. Nick has a low hoops IQ the way he see’s the game is so narrow he only see’s himself as a scorer he doesn’t rebound, get steals or assists to a broad enough level that would help aid the team in differing ways so you need to fill those needs with other players on the court. he has the ability to do more but his focus is so narrow because scoring is the way he grew up playing and has always played its not a Flip Saunders thing its a Nick Young thing.
4. Everything about Nicks game numbers and the way he see’s himself screams 6th man. Jason terry, Jamal Crawford, JR Smith all similar to Young in how they play the game all 6th men on good teams incidentally all were starters on teams prior that were losers ie Nick Young NOW.

5. Nick Young’s hope for getting paid lies in getting a quality team to bite on him as a 6th man and can fully utilize his game the right way a bad team takes the bait and he’ll sink them like the Wizards.

IMO Nick will never fit his appropriate role on the Wizards simply because any demotion to 6th man will ruffle his feathers because of his experience being a more veteran player on the current team. so he’ll need to go elsewhere to fit his proper NBA Role.

as for crawford he’ still very raw but as you said in the article he’s a black box he has all the requsite skills to aid the team and inspire teammates in ways NY can’t. Crawford see’s the game much more broadly. He see’s value in being a play maker, he see’s value in being a go to guy in the clutch and coming through. he’s a tough competitor that backs down from no one.

Crawford plays wild out of control a whirling dervish takes bad shots, forces plays commits turnovers.

But this was his rookie season and he already see’s the game broadly enough to make the game easier for lesser teammates. he pushes the ball with great speed up the court with Wall creating an actual identity for the team he enables Wall to be the finisher sometimes something I think Wall quite enjoys at times thats why I believe Wall and Crawford play much better together than Wall and Nick do.

it would seem as if Wall and Nick play well together because of Skillset but I think it puts more pressure on wall to create all the time and not be a finisher on the break or get himself set up for open jumpers at times.

I think the teams plays to its strength more with Wall and Crawford they get out and run. Mcgee, Blatche, Booker and others can get out and use their athleticism. With NY there just isn’t the same push of the ball others don’t run as hard with him because he won’t pass.

With Crawford the Wizards have an identity with Nick Young they play halfcourt too much which is counter to their talent.

by jazzy1 on Aug 17, 2011 12:53 AM EDT reply actions  

Point #3

In this manner, Nick may be the ideal third man, that we talk about Crawford as. Usually you ask your bench players to be good a few particular things. And at least offensively, that’s what Nick is. I still see him as a guy you want to bring off the bench as your sharpshooter.

Another thing, I agree that Nick has seen himself in a very narrow view. We know his confidence has come and gone through his young career. Now that he has his confidence in the important aspect of his game(jumpshooting), I still think he will expand a little bit. Getting to the line and to the hoop more. Maybe even add some playmaking for others.

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Aug 17, 2011 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

has to have those specialists be

great at other categories from their primary roles. Kidd was still a shooter and had to be respected from deep and he was still great at defense. Terry was a good distributor. And Dirk played good defense and played a lot more physically during last year’s championship run.

by thewiz06 on Aug 17, 2011 8:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

OK...

So you pointed out two All-Star type players from the most recent Championship team….

But what about the three OTHER starters?

Chandler is a rebounder and defender… that’s it. He has no offensive game that isn’t created by others. He doesn’t create offense for others. He’s a very specialized player, playing a SPECIFIC role on a Championship team. He doesn’t do everything well…. He only does a couple things , but what he does, he does at a high level.

Deshawn Stevenson is in the starting line up for Dallas simply because he can hit the 3-point shot (39%) – and he plays a little defense. He does very little else. He doesn’t help on the boards.. nor does he create offense. He doesn’t make mistakes, and he doesn’t turn the ball over (9.0 TO ratio)… He only does a couple things well…

NOT EVERY PLAYER IN THE STARTING LINE UP HAS TO BE A SUPERSTAR..!!!!

You can have guys like Nick Young starting. Guys with limited games. Guys that have only a couple things they do well… AND still compete for a Championship.

Chicago started Keith Bogans 82 games last year. Keith Bogans !! And they were in the Eastern Conference Finals last year – and for most of the year were considered a serious Championship contender…. Still are!

Other than being a bit older and a better rebounder, Jason Richardson is a very similar player to Nick Young… He’s a great catch-and-shoot guy. TSP in the mid 50’s. PER=15.02 . Low turn overs. Average defender. Not very good with the dribble… Doesn’t get to the rim much. (2.9 FT per game last year). Not much of an assist guy. Yet, Orlando was considered a contender….

Sure – it would be nice if you had a Shooting Guard that put up 20 points every night on 45% shooting… shooting 40% from 3-point line, grabs 5 rebounds, and dishes out 4 or 5 assists…. But then you’ve got KOBE BRYANT!!!

This team needs scoring… and specifically; this team needs long range shooting. The Wizards need someone that can consistently knock down the long open outside shot. Without that skill on the floor, and if the other team cuts off the fast break, John Wall becomes a frustrated jump shooter.

The Wizards will be unable to generate any spacing. John will be unable to drive the clogged lane. Opponent defenses will simply sprint back on defense to cut off the fast break and pack 5 guys in the lane and dare John Wall (29% three point shooter), Jordan Crawford (24% three point shooter), Othyus Jeffers (25% three point shooter), Andray Blatche (22% three point shooter), and Rashard Lewis (35% three point shooter) to beat them from outside..

So for all those opposed to re-signing Nick Young… remember that the Wizards will HAVE to have that skill on the roster to compete. So they would have to to either develop someone in house (Singleton? Vesely? ) or go out and obtain a guy like Jason Kapono, or Peja Stojakovic, or Kyle Korver, or Anthony Morrow…. (by the way, all guys that can shoot the 3, but do very little else)

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 17, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I know this question is pretty case specific

And I definitely know how you feel about our SG situation.

But ideally, do you want your black box, not great at anything but capable of doing everything, coming off the bench to relieve the starter(let us assume the starter is just a ‘specialist’, not a star)? Or do you want your black box playing more minutes, with your specialist coming in when his shooting or rebounding or defense or whatever, is needed?

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Aug 17, 2011 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I have a preference....

In the case of dynamic Point Guards like John Wall, Russell Westbrook and Derrick Rose – I’d want a wing player (either SG or SF) to be an absolute dead eye knock down 3-point shooter. Hopefully they would play a little perimeter defense too…

The other wing should be a “black box” type player; capable of scoring all over the court, rebounding, creating shots when necessary, etc…and also a good defender. I’d want BOTH wings to be terrific finishers on the break – and I’d want my Center and PF to be terrific rebounders. One of those front court players should also be a low post offensive threat….. And the team as a whole should play terrific team defense.

Chicago has a near perfect match for my “ideal” team….
Dynamic PG = check
Defensive Center that can rebound = check
Low post scoring threat = check
“Black box” wing = check
Terrific team defense = check
Athletes and specialists on the bench = check
Elite perimeter shooter = NO

They only lack elite perimeter shooting….

As for the Wizards, I think they could be rounding into shape:
Dynamic PG = John Wall
Defensive Center that can rebound = JaVale has the potential
Low post scoring threat = Nope (one reason I wanted Enes Kanter)
“Black box” wing = Either Crawford, Singleton or Vesely cound be the answer
Elite perimeter shooter = Nick Young
Terrific team defense = The Wizards ARE getting better (and tougher) on defense.
Athletes and specialists on the bench = Booker, Jeffers, Seraphin

If Crawford is the starting shooting guard, then the Wizards will need a small forward with elite perimeter shooting skills….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wall and Rose are completely different types of dynamic point guards as well, which makes the needs for shooters and finishers even greater.

Aim for the head baby Jesus

by Doncosmic on Aug 18, 2011 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

what i mean is that all players need to

be able to contribute in other areas besides their primary roles, especially when things don’t work out in any particular game. But yes, even with a team made of few if no “black boxes”, the team is the sum of its parts and its parts are still adaptable.

by thewiz06 on Aug 17, 2011 1:02 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

While it's true that Nick Young (and other specialized players)

bring very little other than their specialty – the reason these players are “specialists” is because they are particularly good at what they do – in other words, there should be fewer times they have “bad games” doing what they do…

For instance – Nick Young is relied upon by the Wizards to be a scorer – and last year, when he started and played 20 minutes or more, there were only 4 games he scored less than double digits.

As a starter, Nick averaged 37 minutes per game, 20.2 points (43% , 40% from 3), 3.6 rebounds, and 1.6 assists. Other than the assists, that’s damn good production (and even his assist rate was were higher than when he was coming off the bench)….

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 17, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice to point out the rebounding numbers were respectable for a guard.

As with assists, I think the fact that our team isn’t very good at shooting the ball overall does lower those numbers across the board, but even then, I couldn’t see Nick averaging over 3 dimes a game.

by thewiz06 on Aug 17, 2011 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

One promising sign

We started using Nick as a pick-and-roll ball handler more and more as the season progressed, and he showed a bit of ability to make the pocket pass to the roll man when that’s what the defense gave him. If he can learn to make that same read/pass when he receives the ball coming around a screen, he will be one of the best SGs in the league.

by yop32 on Aug 17, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

problem with specialist is they offer nothing if their shots aren't falling

so if Nick is having a bad game he brings nothing else to the table. thats pretty daunting espeically if he’s still getting his fgas and is forcing things.

an all around better player can find other ways to help you win.

NY is an ideal 6th man unless you have another all court player who can take up the slack he’s lacking doing other things.

by jazzy1 on Aug 17, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

problem with specialist is they offer nothing if their shots aren’t falling

And as I pointed out – last year, that happened very little with Young… He started 39 games. He failed to score in double digits only 4 times…and shot under 35% from the field only 8 times as a starter…. most of those bad games came AFTER he injured his knee.

And as usual – you failed to take into account that he increased his rebounding in games he started to a more respectable (for a shooting guard) 3.5 per game. (sorry, I miscalculated in the above post that said 3.6)…. So as a starter, Nick would have been in the top 20 rebounders for shooting guards in the League. Not great… but certainly not worth ignoring.

So if we want to continue……
He was an efficient scorer as a starter (54% TSP)
Shot 47% on catch-and-shoot shots; 45% from three.
Rebounded better…as a starter (but still a bit below average for a SG)
Passed the ball on 60% of his touches (more than any other non-PG on the team)
Played (at least) average man-on-man defense
Scored at a very consistent clip from game to game.
Had very few bad shooting games – and even fewer bad scoring games.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 17, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

how many SG score, defend, rebound, and dime better than Nick?

only the best in the league at the position, guys rolling around with max contracts or $12mill/yr deals. As long as Nick always does his share on the defensive end, he’s a net positive on the floor imho. I thought last season he really made opposing 2s work to get theirs, that’s more important than dropping dimes i think

by DCrez on Aug 17, 2011 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sure – it would be nice if you had a Shooting Guard that put up 20 points every night on 45% shooting… shooting 40% from 3-point line, grabs 5 rebounds, and dishes out 4 or 5 assists…. But then you’ve got KOBE BRYANT!!!

I absolutely love that line. Its nothing but the truth. What the heck do people expect from NY, hes a freakin SG that can well… SHOOT his a— off. And just becuase Crawford sat the bench all year in ATL and was super ready to play, WIZ fans wanna discount all the hard work that NY has put in.

NY does have a kinda low bball IQ, but he proved that he can learn. NY signing is a no brainer. Next move is benching Blatche, get in his head and make him think he won’t play unless he plays the right way. Blatche can ball but his head aint right. Lastly trade McGee for a real center with a brain, he will NEVER get it.

Question… What players on the wizards roster could you see playing for good teams, ie, Miami, celts, LA, dallas, chi?

Blatche is talented enough but NO and Mcgee, hell NO. Crawford??

by CharGrayJ on Aug 17, 2011 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Crawford sat the bench all year in ATL

And yet, in his Rookie year, Crawford got nearly as many total minutes (1025) in 42 games (26 with Washington) as Nick Young did his Rookie season (1185) in 75 games…

It wasn’t until THIS past season that Young was given more than 20 some minutes per game… regular rotation minutes….

What players on the wizards roster could you see playing for good teams, ie, Miami, celts, LA, dallas, chi?

To answer your question – Assuming you mean which players EXCEPT John Wall….

I could see Young as a GREAT fit in Chicago or New York as a starter. Dallas is another team that would love to have Nick’s shooting – and I have no doubt he would be a starter there. Utah is another team that needs a starting SG that can spread the floor. But that’s just the contenders – then there’s Indiana and Minnesota,- both could both use Young as a starting SG. I think Nick could beat out Marco Belinelli for the starting job in New Orleans…. (he’s a better defender, and more consistent scorer)… With Vince Carter gone in Phoenix, Nick Young could start there -

I think just about any team would be interested in JaVale McGee – starting with Miami, Atlanta, Boston and the Houston Rockets.

Jordan Crawford couldn’t sniff the court, even as a back-up in Atlanta… so until he improves his defense and shooting, there wouldn’t be much interest from other good teams.

And that’s about it… We don’t know enough about Vesely or Singleton yet. Booker might get some minutes off someone’s bench as an “energy” guy. Any coach that’s good enough to be coaching a contending team wouldn’t allow Andray Blatche near his locker room.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 17, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

What the hell do we do with Andray?

As much as I’ve crossed my fingers, closed my eyes, and hoped that Blatche would “get it” in a Wizards uniform, where are we headed with him in a post-lockout NBA?

‘Contrairiwise,’ continued Tweedledee, ‘if it was so, it might
be; and if it were so, it would be: but as it isn’t, it ain’t. That’s
logic.’ — Through the Looking Glass, Lewis Carroll

by TerroristFistJab on Aug 17, 2011 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Any coach that’s good enough to be coaching a contending team wouldn’t allow Andray Blatche near his locker room.

So what does that say about Ernie Grunfeld and Flip Saunders, the two men in charge of this team?

by DCrez on Aug 17, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Loyal to a fault?

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Aug 17, 2011 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

imho EG fully invests in these guys and expects them to succeed based

upon his faith in his own ability as a judge of talent. I bet Ernie envisions Pierre as a top5 Center within 2 years

by DCrez on Aug 18, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

They got duped?

Made a mistake on a player that convinced them he was improving (remember the last 30 games of 2009-10?)…. and gave him an extension… Now they’re stuck.

If you don’t play him – you’ll NEVER trade him…

So they’re stuck playing him.

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 18, 2011 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

6yrs Ernie has known Dray, since he drafted him as an 18yr old

For all the stuff we know about Blatche (hookers, partying, etc) there must be 3x as many minor incidents that EG is fully aware of. If he was duped, he has no one to blame but himself imho

by DCrez on Aug 18, 2011 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that's in the job description

If he ‘got duped’, then that’s one way of putting ‘he didn’t do his job very well’.

And yet, I am still holding out. Have some faith that he might put it together.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 18, 2011 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

They are stuck on the potential of Blatche

And trying to make themselves believe he will give a damn.

Towards the end of the last season when blatche got into shape, that boy looked GOOD. He is very skilled. He just doesn;t have the heart maybe or the mindset to be the best he can possibly be. I think hes lazy and skates by on his bare talents without working to improve.
He plays really well when KG and the celts come to town. KG probably got in his head and he doesn’t want to look like a slouch.

FLip is a push over punk and he doesn’t demand that Blatche be a real leader or bench him. He doesnt demand that Javele stays down on the pump fakes and doesnt try to dribble like a point guard. Ernie is just trying to save face and act like we can’t see that Blatche faked him out. I dont think Ernie is being loyal, i thnk hes holding out hope that Blatche will get his mind/body/soul together and if he does, the Wizards got a real team.

by CharGrayJ on Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Tough as nails

After he retires, how about trying to bring KG in as an assistant? KG can get into Blatche’s head every day. JaVale, too.

KG knows the system and the entire coaching staff, inside and out. Also, he’s never been a teammate of any of our guys, and he’s like a decade older than any of our core players. Those factors might help smooth the transition to becoming more of a management/authority figure.

by yop32 on Aug 18, 2011 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

There’s a reason why uber intense, hyper competitive players make poor coaches…

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Seriously

Have you seen Dray on the court against Garnett lately? I have never seen one player so scared and rattled of another.

Garnett would make Dray cry and quit playing basketball. I know this for a fact.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 18, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

It always seemed to me that Dray never backed down to Garnett… If anything, Garnett got in his head to make him mad, not scared. I even remember Dray getting in Garnett’s face and Flip getting mad over it. I’m not seeing this back down to Garnett stuff…

And Garnett would be a horrible person for player development imo. Has he ever been well with young teammates? The younger the Wolves got, the more drama there was. The younger the Celtics get, the more drama I see. Not saying Garnett is the main culprit, but I’ve never considered him helping the situation.

by gray16 on Aug 19, 2011 7:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also

I doubt Dray is scared of someone who has gotten punked by the likes of Anthony Peeler.

Garnett can talk a tough game, but let the fists start flying and he’s the first one to run in the other direction.

by gray16 on Aug 19, 2011 7:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

W-L vs player development

Today’s KG is probably too intense to be a good head coach or primary assistant. He would end up putting too much pressure on players to perform well in games. KG’s intensity would be extremely welcome in practice. In games, it’s too much.

But that game-time intensity can easily be tempered as long as he is only charged with player development. If necessary, don’t even let him talk to our players during games. All in-game comments get passed through and filtered by Flip or one of the primary assistants. Most of KG’s observations can wait until practice or film study the next day, after he’s had time for his emotions to settle down. If necessary, he could even do like MJ and watch the game from somewhere other than the bench.

by yop32 on Aug 19, 2011 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Then you guys didn't watch a Celt's game last year

I remember one in particular where he really just stayed around the 3 pt line when he was on the court, and took jumpers. He is just rattled.

And no he wasn’t always like that about KG. But when I said lately, I meant last season.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 19, 2011 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

*wasnt like that about KG always

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 19, 2011 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't remember Blatche playing particularly poorly against KG

As I remember it, Dray stunk against KG when he stunk in general, against everyone. When he was playing well, he also played well against KG.

by yop32 on Aug 19, 2011 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Um

he did that for pretty much the entire season lol… just stood around the perimeter taking threes. If this makes him afraid of KG, it makes him afraid of David West and Luis Scola, both guys I remember seeing him do it against…

by gray16 on Aug 19, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Taking threes...

I don’t know what I was thinking there lol…

Meant taking jumpers.

by gray16 on Aug 19, 2011 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I thought I said last season...

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 20, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

So your theory is...

Dray has suddenly become scared of KG because he played against him the same way he played against everyone last season… That in one offseason Dray went from not being scared of him, to being rattled? Ok…

by gray16 on Aug 20, 2011 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

My theory was that I saw him act different towards Garnett last year

Like I said.

I'm a Wizards fan. We've been trying to tell you about Lebron for years. Hated the man before it was cool.

by returnofswagger on Aug 23, 2011 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Craw; NO/ Nick yes.

by thattheway on Aug 17, 2011 9:14 PM EDT reply actions  

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