2011/12 Wizards Road Map, Boston Celtics Style: Rise Of The Real Big 3
A number of short-sighted historians scoffed at the national outcry over the forming of the Miami Heat's Big 3. The Celtics were first, they said. Put the obvious aside; Ray Allen is not Dwayne Wade, Paul Pierce is not Lebron James, and Glen Davis is not Chris Bosh (quiet, you). The Miami Heat's continuity is comprised of Dwayne Wade, Udonis Haslem, Mario Chalmers, the other two-thirds of the three-ring circus, and table scraps from the Free Agent-pocalypse. Boston was the result of years of careful crafting and hard work from all parties involved.
We've given Ernie Grunfeld kudos for the job he's done since the primary ownership transitioned to Ted Leonsis and Monumental Sports. Danny Ainge did not have the dubious "benefit" of Gun-gate (that's right...'dubious' and quotation marks). When he traded Antoine Walker, it was a disaster. It brought Ainge's friction with then-head coach Jim O'Brien to a head, and the Celtics finished below .500 in a season many fans expected playoff relevance. But through the turmoil, Ainge was drafting and scheming. He drafted Troy Bell and Dahntay Jones, trading them that night for Marcus Banks and developmental project Kendrick Perkins.
And it wasn't just Perkins Ainge would strike gold with. The Celtics did not fail to draft a significant role player or starter every year of the draft leading up to their status as contenders. In 2009 they had only the 58th pick, selecting Lester Hudson. Not what you'd call a fail, as most consider the pick largely worthless. Yet he followed up next year, obtaining Luke Harangody and Semih Erden at No. 56 and No. 60. But that's just the tip of the iceberg and (/insert french accent) we will continue our journey underwater, to the world the casual fan rarely sees. Tabling this past year's trade deadline (did you know the most common outburst before someone gets fired is 'oooooops'?), we have to be most concerned with what Ainge did right to get the Celtics to the big show.
There were plenty of dud deals along the way where luck and/or player development was on Boston's side. The Perkins trade is a slam dunk despite Marcus Banks being the objective. The Sebastian Telfair acquisition was a bust but both he and Theo Ratliff were key pieces in the Kevin Garnett trade. It's said it's smarter to be lucky than it's lucky to be smart, and Ainge had a knack for both, as well as turning his failures into successes. Or you could take the position that he simply sought to cover his miscues with grandiose experiments. 'I'll make 'em forget. This'll really blow the doors off.' What you can't argue with are the results. Let's take a look at the pieces:
- Celtics trade Wally Szczerbiak, Delonte West, and pick #5 (Jeff Green) for Ray Allen and pick #35 (Glen Davis)
- Celtics trade Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes, Theo Ratliff, Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair, the Celtic's 2009 top 3-protected first, Minnesota's first rounder obtained in a previous deal, and cash for Kevin Garnett
Assets utilized to make the trade:
- PG - Sebastian Telfair (trade from Portland)
- Wally Szczerbiak (trade from Minnesota)
- SG - Delonte West (trade from Minnesota)
- SF - Gerald Green (draft)
- PF - Ryan Gomes (draft)
- PF/C - Al Jefferson (draft)
- C - Theo Ratliff (trade from Portland)
Resulting in the 2007/08 roster:
- PG - Rajon Rono (trade on draft night)
- PG - Gabe Pruitt (draft)
- SG - Ray Allen (trade)
- SG - Eddie House (FA)
- SF - Paul Pierce (draft)
- SF - Tony Allen (draft)
- SF - James Posey (FA)
- PF - Kevin Garnett (trade)
- PF - Glen Davis (trade on draft night)
- PF - Leon Powe (trade on draft night)
- PF - Brian Scalabrine (descended from heaven)
- C - Kendrick Perkins (trade on draft night)
- C - Scott Pollard (FA)
- Midseason pickups: P.J. Brown, Sam Cassell
There are quite a few parallels to the Wizards. Ainge was trying to build through the draft, trying to move past an aging star (Antoine Walker, whose story is a tragic one), and trying to swing some kind of trade to bring the franchise back to relevance as assets accumulate. The Kirk Hinrich trade doesn't necessarily fit the bill of a premature swing for relevance, but I would grade that as a lesson Ernie already has under his belt. Ainge effectively used free agency to shore up his team's weaknesses, not condense it from the ether.
Where many of us feel our confidence approaching less than 100 percent is the Celtics track record in drafting and developing their youth. I don't want to get bogged down here, but with Flip Saunders at the helm, Nick Young has come around, JaVale McGee started showing flashes of consistency (if there was ever a phrase at war with itself...), Andray Blatche displayed enough virtuosity to land himself an out-sized contract (which he may yet grow into a la Luol Deng) and John Wall's progress has satisfied pretty much everyone who watched this year. So I'll go out on a limb and say player development is in hand.
Drafting has been a point of contention. Oleksiy Pecherov didn't work out for us (/tear), but we've seen real value with Ernie's draft picks, so as an evaluator of young talent, it's hard to knock him. He's definitely above average when it comes to executing trades, regardless of ownership (reference Kwame Brown for Caron Butler, any of the Kirk Hinrich deals), but the scarlet number branded on Ernie's forehead has been the number 5. Most won't argue too much about trading the 2004 No. 5 (Devin Harris) for Antawn Jamison, good value there. And Harris has had far more value as a trade piece than on the floor. Trading the 2009 No. 5 for the expirings of Randy Foye and Mike Miller attracts far more vitriol. Again, I don't want to get bogged down. I believe EG's success with the 2004 trade and the chance to add possibly the kind of impact Antawn Jamison had for a title run with an owner bellowing 'CONTEND!' drove the maneuver and while no one's happy with the result, few could have predicted the circumstances that followed.
It would seem the Wizards have the right philosophy, talent evaluation, drafting, trade practices, and franchise player in place. Here's the current roster, broken down as above:
- PG - John Wall (draft)
- PG - Shelvin Mack (draft)
- SG - Nick Young (draft) (Current FA - QO'd)
- SG - Jordan Crawford (trade)
- SG - Othyus Jeffers (FA) (Current FA - QO'd)
- SF - Jan Vesely (draft)
- SF - Chris Singleton (draft)
- SF - Larry Owens (FA) (Current FA - QO'd)
- SF/PF - Rashard Lewis (trade)
- SF/PF - Trevor Booker (draft)
- PF/C - Andray Blatche (draft)
- C/PG - Javale McGee (draft)
- C - Kevin Seraphin (draft)
- C - Hamady N'Diaye (draft) (Current FA - QO'd)
This list is one every hardcore Wizard's fan can reel off faster than Lebron James can pass to Mario Chalmers in crunch time. Indeed, the youth of this team is the prime concern of many, wondering where on-court leadership is going to come from. Like the Celtics, this is a team built through the draft (at the speed of light). They depended heavily upon their franchise player, Paul Pierce, and their coach, Doc Rivers (whose road was not so rosy, either), we'll have to do the same to pursue this model. The formula is in place; ownership trusts Flip and Ernie to do their jobs, they have plenty of leash from Ted and have earned more.
As Mike said a while back a perfect model for building a contender doesn't exist:
The Celtics used a stable of young, but inconsistent talent to acquire two superstars. The plan worked because Danny Ainge was smart enough to keep the right two youngsters in Rajon Rondo and Kendrick Perkins.
Yep, young but inconsistent talent sounds about right to me. Keeping John Wall is a no-brainer. But is Hamady N'Diaye our Kendrick Perkins project big man? Remember, Al Jefferson was considered by many to be the premier big man prospect in the league at the time. Is JaVale our Al? Is Chris Singleton our Tony Allen? There are no straight lines to be drawn here, but if the Wizards pursue the Celtics model, two things must happen this year as our situation currently stands.
1. John Wall must become the Man. Four things I'm looking for. The jump shot, man defense, improved FT shooting, and command of the locker room.
- The jump shot will force defenses to play honest and start throwing doubleteams at him, that will come in handy come playoffs.
- Jordan Crawford and Shelvin Mack handling some of the playmaking duties hopefully means John won't be as gassed on the back end, and can start developing some of his potential on the other end of the floor. Just because he has the tools doesn't mean he'll use them. Did Gilbert Arenas? But I don't believe for a second Wall will get complacent. He openly commented about watching the playoffs with a sharp eye, and not even a casual fan missed Jason Kidd's series-changing effort on defense.
- Improved FT shooting, not that it's bad, should give John some added juice in crunch time. Defenses in a close game can gamble an average FT shooter barreling at the rim will miss from the line and body up. If John can become an 80-85% FT shooter, defenses will have to play that much more honest, and the Wizards will become that much more dangerous in what Scott Brooks called 4th-quarter games. No matter how you feel about his ability to win those games, his point that young teams need plenty of experience in said games is a salient one.
- Command of the locker room can mean a lot of things. In this case, it's John becoming the Voice of the team culture. Call it grit, wizardry, or ubuntu but he has to be one who represents what this team is about until his Tyson Chandler emerges from our boys and can share the load.
I'm of the opinion that if these four things happen, John Wall can take us to the playoffs all by himself.
2. But the next major criteria for following the Celtics' plan is Flip Saunders getting our young players to the next level. He's going to have to balance meaningful playing time for the bench while teaching the starters how to win, while figuring out who's a starter and who's not. As to how he might do it? I'll take a look at that next week.
If Flip is able to run that gamut, we're going to have a surfeit of role players, maybe even an extra starter or two, in the run up to free agency in 2012. If sign-and-trades are still on the table, look out. Even in a strike-shortened season, they may show enough to pull off that pipe dream for He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named, especially with Rashard Lewis' contract turning from cap poison into artificial sweetener. But mostly, what I'm saying is that while the same level of care and maybe superior foresight is bringing the Wizards to where Boston was, perhaps we're more like the Thunder ... but we can talk about that on Friday.
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Please tell me
that the he-who-must-not-be-named isn’t that jerk who made a certain “decision” last summer.
dwight howard
i believe is what he meant
by back_to_the_future on Jul 5, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
a few points
1. i think josh howard can be tony allen (with the knee injury)
2. theres really no one on this team with a proven track record (who would you compare to delonte west’s value with the current wizards’ roster?) also, heres a draftexpress reference
3. also ainge was extremely HIGH on rondo when he was drafted (link) who is grunfeld absolutely fascinated with on this roster?
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
This is Forty08.
He is real high on the kid he drafted this year
Jan Vesely. I hope for our sake he is good.
AKA UnkleWheez
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Who better than Danyon?
1. I'd like to believe Josh Howard could come back that strong
but with Rashard, Jan, Chris, and Trevor ALL with guaranteed contracts, I don’t see the Wizards bringing him back.
2. A track record as what? Trade bait?
3. Um, Jan Vesely?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 5, 2011 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Jan?
Cant help but note Ernie worked out Rondo at VC then drafted Pech.
Also, make no mistake, EG is “fascinated” with Javale and probably still Dray despite fans perceptions of the two. For better or worse, he sees them as a legit starting frontcourt IMHO
I'd hazard a guess to say he sees them (AB/JVM)
as our best front court. IMO if he could upgrade one or both of them, he would. In fact, he’s already trying.
by jones-y on Jul 5, 2011 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I dont see his effort to upgrade.
Jan is more of the same as far as I can tell.
You don't see
the five draft picks spent on players who can play PF/C in the last 2 years? On Jan: you can only draft who is available to you.
What would you have done differently over the last 2 years?
You see 5 players that could supplant either Mcgee or Dray?
I most certainly don’t, in fact I dont see anyone.
Markieff is a player that would have directly challenged Dray in his rookie year IMO
What would you have done differently over the last 2 years?
Come on, put your GM hat on. You got two years to replace Blatche and McGee. Have at it.
I just said Markieff is a legit PF prospect.
you just said Ernie sees AB/JVM as “our” best frontcourt but that he’d upgrade one or both if he could….then why did he just re-up Dray 2yrs early based on 30 good games? If EG was really looking to upgrade at PF he would have traded Dray last summer when his value was at its all-time high.
So....
Reaching for Markieff at 6 is your strategy? You can do better than that. I gave you two drafts and one free agent period, plus whatever (realistic) trades you could come up with, and all you got is Markieff Morris?
So....you'll just ignore that fact that EG re-signed Dray last summer?
And continue to claim that Ernie is trying to upgrade at PF/C…just because you say so?
And the premise to your question is no good either. What would I do differently in just 2yrs…how many different moves do you want in such a short timeframe?
Morris brings interior defense and rebounding something 70% of this board claims JVM/Dray lack….so yes, he was a legitimate alternative to Vesely, and a player who would have immediately challenged Dray for minutes.
To be clear, I am not saying Markieff Morris was clearly the answer for long term starting PF….I am saying that Ernie is not making any attempts to push Dray/Mcgee, so imho, he sees them as a legit frontcourt for the organization.
That's where we disagree.
I think he sees them as “what we’ve got”, and, being that an upgrade is costly and hard to find, he’s giving them the opportunity to round out as players. Given that neither of them is within 3 years of peaking…
Or scratch that, i think he just can’t judge a good frontcort player. He just doesn’t know what it takes to win. He’s a bad GM get him outta here.
Well now you're putting together a strawman, jones-y
Or scratch that, i think he just can’t judge a good frontcort player. He just doesn’t know what it takes to win. He’s a bad GM get him outta here.
you're all over the map.
EG wants to upgrade, but will wait 3yrs since neither of his two handpicked guys are at their peaks yet?
IMO, he is committed to both of them and there is certainly no one on the roster capable of pushing either in the coming season.
Not quite what I'm saying.
A general manager is always looking for ways to improve the roster. That’s their job. That’s what Grunfeld is paid to do. You really think he’s ok with the way we got killed in the paint last year? Of course not dude. But half the teams in the league have the same problem…. Its the hardest, most expensive roster problem to fix.
There was no upgrade available (for a price that fits with Ted’s vision) in FA last year. All the top tier post players were gone by 5 in this draft and 7 in last year’s draft. There has been no reasonable trade available (that fits the vision) involving either AB or JVM that brings in a better big man.
I liked the resigning last summer, and don't hate it now
We’re paying Dray less than we paid Etan Thomas. The extension made sense because it locked him up to a very reasonable contract (by bigman standards).
He’s underperformed, no doubt, but the guy’s contract isn’t exactly an albatross. And he needs to put in exactly 1 month of solid effort to become an attractive trade piece again – specifically because the contract is long and reasonable.
I don’t know much about the Morris twins, but I have trouble believing that either one could compete for starter’s minutes right out of the gate. They were mid-tier prospects in a weak draft. And while this team may need defense and rebounding, it also needs players who can get buckets.
There wasn’t a solution to our PF problems waiting at #6 in this draft. So Ernie went with BPA. I’ll judge Ernie on how well Vesley works out, but not on much more than that.
by sierradave on Jul 5, 2011 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hopefully Vesely will push Blatche.
He seems like someone who needs pressure on him.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Heck Booker pushed him last year...
It would’ve been interesting down the stretch had Booker not broken his foot.
Agreed
And hopefully Seraphin starts coming around in the next couple of years.
Booker competing for minutes immediately. Seraphin competing for minutes soon and the starting spot in the future. Dray needs to get his rear in gear.
Wish we had the pieces to push JaVale the same way.
When did Booker push Dray for minutes?
7Day was playing 35+ until he got hurt. Looking back on his year, he averaged 23/10 on 50%FG the last month of the season….man it will do wonders for the team if that’s the guy who shows up
Right, they had people who should have pushed Dray, but didn't
The man played over 30 minutes a game in 75 percent of his games and over half the game in all but three games.
He was their best frontcourt player and played both positions.
Booker and Seraphin both got minutes along side him, so I don’t necessarily think that he was limiting their opportunities.
My point (and DCrez's) is that they didn't really "push" Blatche
At least in terms of poaching on his minutes.
When Dray went out...
Booker is the reason why Dray put those numbers up at the end…
I don't know if that's an assumption you can make
If Booker stays healthy, who is to say he gets more minutes as the season goes along? Given the way Flip played Blatche so many minutes earlier in the year, it’s a leap of faith to say he’d dramatically change the rotation late in the year.
Keep in mind that the staff was working with Booker on his jumper so he could play more 3 and play with Blatche. Then, he got hurt.
But Dray just about said so himself.
When he came back from his shoulder injury, he said something to the effect of “I saw how hard Book and those guys were playing and it made me realize not to take anything for granted.”
At least that’s the way I took it.
I like
Booker and Dray on the court together. I’m pretty big on Booker T and hopefully he gets some ‘veterans’ minutes next season, at least early on.
But where does that leave Jan, Singleton, and Shard this year? Such a log jam.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jul 5, 2011 5:41 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I like
Booker and Dray on the court together. I’m pretty big on Booker T and hopefully he gets some ‘veterans’ minutes next season, at least early on.
But where does that leave Jan, Singleton, and Shard this year? Such a log jam.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jul 5, 2011 8:53 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seraphin will be competing for center minutes.
If Perkins can play center then Seraphin can.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
You never know, but....
…what are the odds that Seraphin will be a good center?
The GM and Coach need to decide who to invest time, effort and money into — and who gets what minutes. If you think back to Tapscott, his man to develop was McGuire. But even getting the minutes didn’t help McGuire to develop, and it cut into another player’s minutes.
So, the Coach needs to invest minutes in those players most likely to develop. It’s not obvious though. For example, Lewis wouldn’t get any minutes in my world. Yet most people would have him starting.
Let’s see who the Wiz play and if their selections are correct. The track record in DC isn’t great for picking the right big men.
I would like McG to get 28 minutes at center, Seraphin to get 15. H/Blatche/small ball can get 5.
Of course I think it all should be decided in training camp/practice/who comes in shape etc.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Taps felt McGuire was playing best, which is why he played
He didn’t choose to develop McGuire at the expense of the others. In fact, you could argue that by giving McGuire minutes, he was developing the others more by trying to show them you don’t just get handed PT.
It may have been misguided, but it’s a mischaracterization to say he made developing McGuire a priority.
Whatever the reason, here is the playing time
Of the total available minutes:
McGuire 53%
Young 47%
Blatche 43%
McGee 29%
Critter 29%
Players need minutes to improve. Wall will be much better next year. A large part of that comes from experiencing and practicing the skills that the competition showed him were lacking. Would he be expected to be that much better if he got only 29% of the minutes?
In a developing mode (which the Wiz have been for years), my point is that you need to know who to develop. That might not be the best sub at the moment (e.g., McGee).
obviously I dont think Vesely was BPA
but aside from that, imo, it’s not the money that matters re: Dray’s contract. It’s the fact that he’s been in the league 6yrs and Ernie has seen him everyday since he was what…19? If EG doesnt know what he is getting with Blatche, what does he know?
I wasnt against Blatche’s deal either and obviously it’s easy to point out missteps in hindsight….BUT, hindsight is how all GMs are judged so EG should be no different.
At any rate, IMO ern does believe that Dray can be our long-term PF
a few more points
1. ainge had a rough time with guys like ricky davis, mark blount, antoine walker, and gary payton, who were pretty lazy and bad locker room guys. Clearly he prefers a different pedigree of player personality:
Second of all, I look for guys that are self-starters – that are getting themselves going in the game emotionally and just playing with great effort and intensity. And third, I look for guys to see how they deal with adversity – how they can respond to foul trouble or a bad call or being benched or a teammate missing them on the break. I look for players that can fight through that.link
has grunfeld has similar bad experiences with any of the “vets” of the team?
2.ainge and kendrick perkins (as opposed to al jefferson) were tight from the beginning (who is ernie tight with on this roster)
It’s also because of who Kendrick is. He’s a class guy.
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
This is Forty08.
1. I think Gungate qualifies as a bad experience…
2. I’m sure Ernie’s relatively tight with Javale, and with John certainly
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 5, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm all for a good DLeague success story but
I’d rather the Wiz re-sign Mo Evans and let Larry Owens walk at this point. Evans is a crafty, hard-working veteran who can help foster Wall’s locker room leadership.
He seems willing to pull guys aside on AND off the court unlike Rashard Lewis.
I think you are ignoring one big thing in the KG trade
and that is that the TWolves did not get equal value back. Whether it’s because of the personal connection between Ainge and McHale or because McHale’s history with the Celtics or maybe just because he wanted to land KG in a good situation after years of loyalty… but the TWolves made an imbalanced trade and we can’t expect that to happen to us.
Also a lot of those pieces of the KG trade were just filler. Al Jefferson was the key piece. Telfair, Ratliff etc could have been substituted for other players if the C’s didn’t have them. So it’s not like Ainge collected this perfect amazing group that was exactly what the TWolves were looking for.
The larger point stands
The huge collection of players that were shipped out to MN were just that…a huge collection of players and contracts. Ainge doesn’t get special credit for assembling that crew.
The way to follow the Celtic model would seem to be to get Wes Unseld a job as the GM in Orlando.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think that's overstating it
Ainge got lucky that McHale was Minnesota’s GM, but he had plenty of tradeable assets to be used for a move like that, ones he assembled. He never missed on a draft pick, as BNIE mentioned. When he got that big expiring contract, he made big moves with it. If he didn’t get KG, he was probably going to get somebody. Who is to say they couldn’t have traded for Pau Gasol with that same package? It would have been better than Memphis’ offer.
At the time, the package the Celtics gave wasn’t ridiculous for a superstar. Jefferson was one of the best prospects in the game. Many of those other youngsters had some promise. It didn’t work out, but at the time, the return for KG was more than the return for, say, Iverson or Ray Allen or Pau Gasol or someone like that.
by Mike Prada on Jul 5, 2011 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
IIRC
it was really Jefferson, two firsts, and a bunch of throw ins…along with the expiring Ratliff contract.
KG wasn’t going to sign an extension unless he went to the right situation, so he clearly held a lot of the cards.
Anyway I have a long standing beef with that deal because I think there was clear collusion (if that is the proper term) to deal KG to the Celtics.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
League approved collusion by Kevin Mchale
who’d already been busted for circumventing the rules with Joe Smith. I hate that deal too, stinks of “It’s good for the league for the Cs to be good”
Hard to get back true value for a superstar
and many would say impossible. WIth Garnett likely leaving, who was going to offer the Timberwolves a better deal?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 5, 2011 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Many of those throw-ins were decentish prospects
I don’t know whether it was collusion, but again, even if it wasn’t KG, it was going to be someone else they got eventually.
by Mike Prada on Jul 5, 2011 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think Pierce, Allen, Gasol gets you a ring.
While Gasol is the superior player in some ways, I don’t think the team would have achieved what they did without KG.
by MR on Jul 5, 2011 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
KG was the straw that stirred that drink
almost impossible to overestimate the effect he had/has on the team’s defense
Agree
I think the lesson of the Celtics “blueprint” is that if you have a chance to get one of the few game changing superstars, do not be afraid to trade quantity. Not that they are likely to have a shot, but the Wizards should be willing to trade every player in any combination (with the exception of Wall) for Dwight Howard.
And to stir up some controversy, I would do a trade that included John Wall and another player or 2, for Howard.
more and more I dont believe in any blueprint
drafting Durantula, Westbrook, and Harden is lightning in a bottle for instance, to say our plan is to draft like that is to say we have a 20% chance of success. To emulate the Cs Big 3 requires another team apparently looking to help us (or perhaps Stern’s invisible hand). To eschew a monstrous FA because Ted’s plan says “not yet” could be a massive mistake. Etc Etc
I’m thinking Ernie just has to make the right decisions 3-4 yrs in a row based on the landscape in front him, and Flip needs to earn his paycheck. If those two things happen we’ll be alright
by DCrez on Jul 5, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
no way on Wall
1. Wall is our guy. We drafted him number one and he has already connected with the fan base. That means something. He is ours and nobody elses
2. You don’t trade a star that young with such mind blowing upside to start rebuilding around an older one. True MVP or not
3. We need to add talent, not exchange our best player for someone elses
For the people who hang around this team....
…. do you think the players will hang together this year when the going gets tough, or will there be more finger pointing?
What I'm hoping for
is that the bevy of competition at hopefully every position means that when someone is slacking, another hungry player is there to talk with their play, rather than point the finger
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 5, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So Pierre
is our 3rd string PG ahead of Crawford. lol!

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