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NBA Draft 2011, Take Two(sday): Did The Knicks Screw Up By Not Taking Chris Singleton?

NEWARK, NJ - JUNE 23:  Chris Singleton from Florida State greets NBA Commissioner David Stern  after he was selected #18 overall by the Washington Wizards in the fduring the 2011 NBA Draft at the Prudential Center on June 23, 2011 in Newark, New Jersey.  NOTE TO USER: User expressly acknowledges and agrees that, by downloading and/or using this Photograph, user is consenting to the terms and conditions of the Getty Images License Agreement.  (Photo by Mike Stobe/Getty Images)

Note: Every time we talk about next season, pretty much for the last year, we've been obligated to tack on a parenthesis: (if there is one).  At this point, it's feeling fairly obnoxious, and with the NFL resolution apparently proceeding apace, it's extremely likely David Stern doesn't want to be the only major sports league without a chair when the music stops.  The confluence of lockouts has been a media shield of sorts, and speculation about what a lockout would do to spoil a golden postseason has been rife.  Personally, I'm fairly optimistic about a speedy resolution, and don't think a lockout would last more than a month, maybe two. 

Anyway, there were plenty of question marks in Thursday night's draft, but my favorite was the Knicks' selection of Iman Shumpert.  We can talk all we want about how New York's backcourt rotatation needed to be bolstered or how Shumpert's shot looked far stronger than expected at draft workouts to go with his 40" vertical.  The truth of the matter is that the Knicks were in a difficult situation. 

But when your superstars need rest (Amar'e Stoudemire played over 500 minutes during one two-week span, I believe), having a talent like Chris Singleton balance some of the offensive loss with defensive intensity that comes with a better catch-and-shoot game then you expected is imperative, isn't it? Mike D'Antoni might be able to figure out a use for Singleton in the half court, even if it's Phil Jackson's solution for Ron Artest (go stand in the corner)! You have to take Singleton there, right?  And when the guy can take on the burden of defending any first option at the 2-3-4 positions (leaving that much more focus on the offensive end for YOUR elite scorers, you have to take that, right?

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Of course, it's impossible to talk about the Knicks' pick without talking about Derrick Favors.  Those who didn't follow college basketball particularly closely looked at Favors' college stats, and were vastly underwhelmed.  A look closer revealed the Georgia Tech's guard rotation was so poor, Gani Lawal (the team's elder statesman big man) was needed in the low post while Favors was relegated to the high post (he preferred the low post ... and another reason why the Favors/Kanter rotation could be so intimidating) to space the floor.  Their guard rotation was so poor, teams simply collapsed on Favors and dared the backcourt to shoot.

Why is this significant? Because one of those guys was Shumpert!  But for all that, maybe he's grown to the point where he's worth that pick.  But with the crowd chanting "Singleton!" I wouldn't tell THEM that.  Did they make the right pick?  What's your take?

Hopefully by now, everyone has checked out Sebastian Pruiti's take on Jan Vesely.  This article turned me around, and should give you more of an idea of where he fits in the halfcourt.  Normally I'd have more for you, but there's really not much I can say that Pruiti doesn't.  Check it out if you haven't already.

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I feel will be a solid player for the Knicks. I don’t think it was too much of a reach in the draft. Prior to the draft the 2 potential best defenders were considered Singleton and Shumpert. The Knicks must have felt that Singleton’s offense wasn’t any better then Shumpert’s and they needed help in the backcourt more.

by DaGribb on Jun 28, 2011 11:28 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much where I am, right now

Jared Jeffries (don’t laugh :p) has been far more effective than most assumed…they can bring him back for cheap while still looking for a Center signing, and with Jeffries a possibility, it’s more likely they figured Singleton was at least partially duplicated and swung the needle to Shumpert

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 28, 2011 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jeffries is the same player he's always been

a role defender. Granted he’s skinny and will get pushed around more then Singleton would have, but I think the Knicks saw more potential in a strong/fast 6’6" PG who can possibly be a lock down defender

by DaGribb on Jun 28, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Knicks are as messed up as an Organization gets

apparently they live and die by the rule of “Thou Shalt listen to Isiah Tompson”. Honestly they needed Singleton more than they needed Shumpert, a high-motor guy who can provide defensive energy and can give your stars some rest is what they needed. I’m glad we got Singleton though, he’s going to be fun to watch especially when we play the Heat.

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jun 28, 2011 11:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Isiah Thomas*

This is what I get for being on here at work…

Dear Passionate fan, I know you are passionate, but please reply with a logical answer or I will ignore you.

by TerpsAllTheWay on Jun 28, 2011 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

They should have taken Singleton.

No brainer for the reasons you state. He’s what Boston wants from Jeff Green, a capable backup for Pierce and Garnett.

The Knicks? They are who they thought we were. Go ahead and crown their ass.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think they did...

they are contenders (well close to being contenders) so getting a defensive guru like Singleton to take down Pierce, Wade, Orlando 3pt shooters, and possibly Rose would have been a great help. I highly doubt this Shumpert guy can hang with any of the players I just named…

by ATLredskin on Jun 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

The Knicks don't care about winning

Plain and simple and that became obvious when they hired D’Antoni as the head coach and was cemented when they traded for Carmelo Anthony. It appears as if all this team wants to do is score, score, score with no defense. They have freakin’ Ronny Turiaf starting at C and Jared Jefferies as his backup and they expect to contend for what? Not only that but your core player Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony are mediocre at best defensively, it was a no brainer for them to take Singleton to balance out their team. But NOOOO, let’s take Shumpert because he can jump out of the building and get the crowd pumped up. Really they already had a rotation of Billups, Fields and Douglas, which really isn’t that bad, so I didn’t see the need for Shumpert for them. They could have got Singleton and use him and Shawne Williams at the 3/4 positions and that would have give them at least another defender to play at the end of games along with Turiaf, Jefferies, and Douglas to give them more versatility but instead they just added another player to a position that wasn’t really a glaring need. I guess we should send them a thank you card.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jun 28, 2011 11:52 AM EDT reply actions  

True

but they have a huge need in their front court for defense. They are looking at a front court rotation of Turiaf, Jefferies (Free Agent), Stoudemire, and Williams. It just seem pretty obvious that they need more depth there. The only logical conclusion I can think is they believe he’s going to eventually replace Billups.

by ThePGPhenomenon on Jun 28, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're forgetting one key element...

Coaching. You have to understand that Paul Hewitt was a terrible offensive coach. And this is from a Georgia Tech fan! Hewitt’s offense has been coined the “Clogged Toilet” offense due to its utter disorganization. The only time this offense worked in 10+ seasons was when Jarrett Jack was point guard, and that’s because Jack is a REALLY smart player.

Is Shumpert as smart as Jack? No, but that’s not an insult. Shumpert is incredibly talented and can score. D’Antoni knows offense, and Shumpert will be just fine. Will he be a Melo-Amare scorer? Probably not, but he will be great for the Knicks. They probably see him as just needing the right coach to set him free.

by Ramblin Wreck on Jun 28, 2011 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. I also went to Tech.

Favors lack of production was more on Hewitt than the lack of guard play. Hewitt has always recruited talented players, just never knew how to use them. He had one stellar season in ’04 with Jack at the point and a multitude of talent around him.

Point being it wasn’t Shumpert’s or GT’s guard’s lack of skills or inability to get the ball in the post. It was Hewitt’s lack of basketball knowledge. Shumpert has a lot of talent and a lot of potential, especially defensively, but also on the offensive end. I don’t think he was too big a reach for the Knicks.

Having said all of that, I’m glad they took him because we got Singleton!

"Blake Griffin is the American Jan Vesely" - Jan Vesely

by PhenomenalSwag on Jun 28, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm

I guess we’ll see, but that’s definitely a huge mitigating factor…

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 29, 2011 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

they may have carmello but they are the same old knicks

you gotta love em thank you mr. dolan or whoever fell asleep at the wheel and made that pick. as a wizards fan that couldnt have worked out any better,when the pick came up and singleton and faried were still on the board i figured the knicks would take one of the two and whoever they didnt take we would and low and behold they pulled iman shumpert out of their asses so heres to the knicks

by mal0378 on Jun 28, 2011 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Ssshhhhhhh

They might learn before the next draft…

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 12:32 PM EDT reply actions  

it was odd because

They balked at including Landry Fields and wound up including Galinari for Melo. Then given the opportunity they took a guy who is a lot like Landry Fields over SF. Shumpert is not a PG. He’s a guard.

Then again, they have so many holes to fill after the big trade that this pick shouldn’t be expected to shoulder the rest of the load in making them a contender.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 28, 2011 12:34 PM EDT reply actions  

The Shumpert pick

Is totally defensible on its own.

But I think Rook really hit the nail on the head when he said something along the lines of, do you really think Singleton would have meshed well with guys like Melo, Amare, and even D’Antoni. The first time Singleton tried to defend Carmelo with real effort, in practice, Melo would have thrown a fit and coach probably would have told him to save his energy for more important things.

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Jun 28, 2011 1:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think so....

New York would’ve definitely welcomed a strong defender. It is true that their team is going to be absolutely horrendous defensively but I think a good comparison would be the wonders Shawn Marion did for his Suns teams. Obviously I’m not saying Singleton would come in and be like Shawn Marion but a player like that would’ve really done a lot for that team.

I think the Knicks made a horrendous mistake and honestly I don’t see them as a top 3 team in the East. I think Boston will fall off a little bit but will still likely be a better team, the Knicks are going to do the Carmelo/Amare ‘take turns scoring’ offense while getting killed on defense. If one of those players is cold, they struggle. Landry Fields is a nice player but, honestly, does anyone see him becoming much better than he already is? Keep in mind that D’antoni offenses make players seem better than they are. A good example of this is, again, Shawn Marion.

by NY1 on Jun 28, 2011 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't think it's just that they should have taken Singleton.

Any number of guys would have been better choices. Reggie Jackson and Nolan Smith are better players from the same league and just as much of PGs as Shumpert. Faried, Singleton, Brooks and JaJuan Johnson all would have filled a need on that roster.

by Mr. E on Jun 28, 2011 4:03 PM EDT reply actions  

My Wiz First Team Defensive Unit

C- JaVale (a littlediscipline needed)
PF- Seraphin
SF- Trevor
SG- Chris
PG- John

Lock ’em Up and lock ’em down!

by jmpalomo on Jun 29, 2011 12:11 PM EDT reply actions  

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