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Ernie Grunfeld Discusses Scouting Jan Vesely And The Whole 2011 NBA Draft Process

I, along with a couple other reporters, had a good chat with Washington Wizards GM Ernie Grunfeld after the press conference where Jan Vesely was introduced.  Grunfeld provided a number of interesting nuggets about Vesely, the team's history with him and how they approached the 2011 NBA Draft.  Here's a summary:

Vesely was on their radar for a long time: During the press conference, Flip Saunders said the Wizards identified Vesely "a few years ago" as a guy they wanted.  Grunfeld elaborated on that, saying the Wizards had followed him for "three years, at least."  He added that they "intensified that process" the last couple years, when Vesely was potentially draft-eligible.  He even said that they would have considered taking him last year had he stayed in the draft and had the Wizards not won the lottery.

"Last year, we [originally] had the fifth or sixth pick, and he was one of the guys in our wheelhouse as we were really looking at."

Grunfeld himself said he saw him play two or three times in person this year, and was also scouting him at the Euroleague Final Four last year.

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On Vesely not coming over until this year: Many draft experts pegged Vesely as a lottery pick in 2010, but he elected to stay in Europe for one more year.  In the press conference, Vesely said he wanted to mature a bit more and get some more minutes and a bigger role.

"The most important thing was to stay to play one more year, to get more minutes and to grow up, on the basketball side and with my personal life," Vesely said.

Once again, Grunfeld elaborated a bit on this.

"I think he had a very good relationship with his coach at the time, and he thought he could learn a lot from this particular coach," he said. "He felt comfortable in this situation, and maybe emotionally, he didn't want to change so drastically."

"Emotionally, maybe he wasn't ready," Grunfeld concluded. "Physically, I think a lot of teams would have looked at him last year too."

On how high Vesely was on their board: Not figuring to get much of an answer, I nevertheless asked Grunfeld which players they rated high on their draft board and where Vesely fit in on that list.  I was surprised to get a fairly candid response from Grunfeld.

"Every draft, you have groupings, and he was definitely in that top grouping. We didn't know what position it was (ed. note: translation: we know, but we're not going to tell you), but the three European players (ed. note: Enes Kanter, Jonas Valanciunas and Vesely) were in there along with [Derrick] Williams and [Kyrie] Irving and one or two other players. Tristan Thompson -- nobody thought he'd go 4 -- but he was in that grouping too."

So essentially, the Wizards' top tier was the top six players in the draft.  That's why Grunfeld said he was never worried about Vesely going higher than 6.

"You're concerned, but you have to be prepared," he said. "We knew our list, we knew who we wanted and we felt good that we had six players up on the board. We knew we'd get one of those six. So it just depended on what position, but it worked out well for us and for Jan. He comes to a team he likes, number one, and has a player like a John [Wall] that can make the game easier for him."

On Chris Singleton: Unsurprisingly, Grunfeld said the Wizards had Chris Singleton rated higher than he went.

"After the first seven or eight, he was in the next group of players. He could have gone 8 or 9 to some teams," Grunfeld said. "I think Charlotte really liked him at 9, but then they made the trade for Biyombo."

Speaking of Biyombo: Not that it matters, but in case there was any doubt, the Wizards never seriously considered him.

"We saw him overseas, but we didn't go to his workout," Grunfeld said, before pausing for the right words. "We were looking for different types of players right now."

Grunfeld relates to Vesely: You may not know this, but Grunfeld was actually born in Romania and immigrated to the United States as a kid.  When he got here, he didn't speak a word of English.  In this way, he felt a bit connected to Vesely, who left his home country to go to Slovenia and then to Serbia to play basketball.  Vesely said he taught himself Serbian in a month, and Grunfeld admired that because it reminded him of his experience learning English.

"I relate to him because he speaks three different languages," he said. When I came here, I didn't speak a word of English. The way he communicates and the way he understands -- even the way he understands jokes -- is not that easy for someone where it's not your primary language."

"We could be related, who knows?" Grunfeld joked. Then, he paused and added, "When it comes to athleticism, maybe not."

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I have no idea why Wizards brass has had such a fetish for Vesely. I think he miht be a good rotation enegy dunk ona few guys make some game momentum changing type plays but it seems like they were really just enamored with him like he’s a star player or something. And its never that good for a Team president to have a personal connection type thing with a player it always tends to lead to over projecting of the talent.

I think Singleton and Vesely are gonna have some real battles in practice and its not gonna surprise me if Singleton comes out on top because realistically he could be arguing why is he a lottery pick and I’m 18th.

I just hope Vesely has more work ethic than he’s displayed in Euroleague play. Gotta fix that jumper .

by jazzy1 on Jun 27, 2011 1:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure about the personal connection.

I think there’s nothing more to read into Ernie’s comment other than the simple fact he could relate because he had to learn a language in a similar situation. Just because they scouted for 3 years doesn’t mean they are in love with him or say he’s a superstar.

I also doubt that most organizations would want to show like warm feelings towards their lottery draft pick during a press conference. Part of the reason for the press conference is to give Wizards fans hope for the upcoming year (or whenever we have a season). I’m not sure how good would it be to announce, “hey we also scouted Kanter for a few years but based on our draft position we got Vesely.” I don’t think that’s showing confidence in the person you just picked.

I’m not sure where the work ethic comes into play based on his Euroleague play. If that’s the case we would assume that John Wall didn’t have good work ethic in Kentcky because he needs to improve his jumpshot and lower his turnovers. While I wasn’t initially sold on Vesely, it’s encouraging that a lot of scouts and articles I’ve read have had the same tone on what type of player Vesely is: High motor, high IQ, athletic, and has the tools to be an above average defender, and is extremely athletic.

by Mojo_Jojo on Jun 27, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

i feared this reality before the draft. We were clearly enamored with Vesely even through the usual pre-draft smokescreens. I was not happy, because I think Vesely has high potential to bust. Doesn’t mean he will…doesn’t mean I want him to. For me, that risk is made a lot easier to accept given our selections at 18 and 34…lower ceilings and higher floors. Overall, I like the picks, and am much more comfortable with Jan, knowing we have Singleton as well.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

What is bust for Jan?

The only way I can see him being called a bust is if people set an unearthly ceiling for him, like becoming Dirk.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 28, 2011 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

A career energy player and not much more is a bust.

The question on Vesely is can he develop his basketball skills.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's about right

terms like bust and success are clearly relative. I’ve just seen too many highly athletic guys with limited skills and bodies not ready for banging in the league wash out.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's that right now

so he’s not a bust.

want to try again?

by Jheiser3 on Jun 28, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

that's the point

if he doesn’t go to the next level then he’ll be looked at as a bust.

by Staybon on Jun 28, 2011 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

any ideas

beyond “get better or he’s a bust”? I was hoping Wizards fans having fun posting about him being a bust could at least put more than 2 seconds of thought into it.Tell me what that means for him instead of a definition that’s the same for every draft pick.

Better? Cool. Looking forward to reading your next effort.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 28, 2011 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure why you employ dickishness as the main strategy here

I never said he’s a bust. I said he has high potential to be…AKA high ceiling and low floor. This is because he needs to improve pretty much every skill there is in the game…dribbling, shooting, rebounding, and defending.

To your earlier assertion that every player who doesn’t improve is a bust, I disagree. Some guys just need to maintain their skillset at the next level…Blake Griffin for instance. Granted, no Blake Griffins were available at 6 this year. Singleton was a safer pick in my mind, because he could not improve and still bring a tangible skill that helps teams win. His ceiling is way lower than Vesely’s however.

Save the attitude.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I've watched a bit

but there’s no doubt that my intimacy with ACC basketball helps to guide my comfort level with Singleton. You think I am wrong about his needed areas of improvement? Honest question…not a challenge.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm curious.

If he becomes pre-injury AK47 is that success? What if he’s a solid starter for years but never gets a whiff of the all star game? What if he is a career bench player but nobody else in the draft is much better? What if he’s bad but Kanter is worse?

I’d like to get some pre-season definitions of what people call ‘bust’ for him.

For me he’s a bust next year if he isn’t in the top 8 rotation (barring injury) most of the year.

by MR on Jun 28, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

ROMANIA!!

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by adamvolo on Jun 27, 2011 2:05 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

It's too bad the Wizards didn't take Vesely at #5 last year instead of DeMarcus Cousins

There would have been a blog post here that had 17,500 comments and 2 million expletives.

by disgrunted on Jun 27, 2011 2:39 PM EDT reply actions  

+1

It is nice that some people here are beginning to look hard at what goes down in Euroleague.

Vesely’s former team, Partizan, is really pretty special. Every fan is as big a lunatic as anyone on this site. Unlike at the phone booth, any opposing team fans foolish enough to show up there, much less wear their colors, would quickly regret their decision. No prisoners are taken in Belgrade.

I always got a kick from the Lithuanian flag wavers who showed up when Sabonis played for Portland… and I expect many Czech flags to wave in Vasely Valley, or whatever that section of Verizon comes to be called.

The Wiz may not make the playoffs in 2011-12, heck, there may not even be a 2011-12, but the Wizards game experience is going to get ratcheted up a tad!

by khrabb on Jun 27, 2011 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah - that's something that is really really different in EuroLeague

and ESPECIALLY with Partizan in particular – their fans are absolutely NUTZ…. Extremely rabid… standing the entire game… chanting… waving flags…

and then half time comes, and it’s like someone turned off a switch – …..crickets……………… until the second half begins.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 27, 2011 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

"but the Wizards game experience is going to get ratcheted up a tad!"

That’s where you are wrong. The Verizon Center’s “Spirit Crew” or whatever they are called will beat down and drown out the Czech fans with their canned “Defense” chants, KC and Sunshine Band songs, hostess what’s her name, and the Kiss Cam.

by disgrunted on Jun 27, 2011 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

You may have a point....

… of course the Kiss Cam will take on a new meaning after Draft Night….

I still miss Tiny and Hoops… but maybe they can include an end to all these sports marketing disasters in the new collective bargaining agreement….

by khrabb on Jun 27, 2011 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

the background info makes me feel better about the pick

its reassuring to know they scouted the kid for 3 years so even though he was an unknown to us they knew what they were getting into even if we as fans did not,and thats how it should be.as a lifelong fan of the local teams especially as a skins fan i have developed a deep distrust for our local gms moves and with good reason,but this sets me at ease at least for the time being.i wasnt sold on vessley before the draft or the pick when it was made but the more i hear the more i am warming up to the pick especially considering the draft pool and they didnt reach on any of the pics which is very reassuring and brings back my faith in grunfeld as a gm but with that being said the kid still has to play

by mal0378 on Jun 27, 2011 4:04 PM EDT reply actions  

If "the Wizards' top tier was the top six players in the draft"

Then why did the Wizards explore moving up in the draft? Why would they give up something in order to move up and take a player that they ranked the same as the player that would be available at 6?

by disgrunted on Jun 27, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I thought EG

said they explored it and the asking price was 18,6 and a future 1st rounder?

by Bcc on Jun 27, 2011 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

that was the highest asking price. but we dont know if they had an offer many of us would have taken. and we dont know if they didnt. his point was they tried.

by les boulez bomber on Jun 27, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not necessarily.

Its just that Kanter fits their (and half the league’s) biggest need. Big physical post presence. Theoretically, in the tier system, you go for the guy who is the best fit in his tier. Not that Ireally believe in the tier system, but I think that’s indicative of why they were interested in grabbing him.

Maybe if they (and Kanter) had held it a little closer to their chests, it would’ve happened…

Oh well, maybe we can steal him in four years…

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

Correct

The tier system means you take a tier 1 guy over a tier 2 guy even if the tier 2 guy is supposedly a better fit for the team’s needs. So, Wiz could conceivably have ranked Valacunias, Kanter, Williams, and Tristan Thompson over Jan even if they see them all as equally talented if they felt the first 4 guys better fit the team’s needs.

As for Irving, everyone knew he was going 1 or 2 (or 3 at absolute worst); I doubt there was ever serious consideration as to what would happen if Jan and Irving were both available at 6.

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by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 27, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just because they ranked player in different "tiers"

Doesn’t mean that within each tier they didn’t have rankings… you think the Wiz would have picked Jan at number one just because he was in the top tier? No. its just a relative grouping….

by Bcc on Jun 27, 2011 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

disgrunted with a rhetorical question

while it’s a nice thing to say about Jan at his press conference and it makes some feel better about the pick, i don’t think cleveland or minnesota even thought for a second about drafting Jan #1… my thought is most are just being polite by letting ernie pass that one off.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 28, 2011 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

What type of player is Biyombo that Ernie had zero interest?

An 18yr old going on 26 type player? Or did he mean Biyombo is all defense and rebounding whereas EG prefers more bling in his guys? Kind of an interesting comment from Ern there

by DCrez on Jun 27, 2011 5:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Zero on offense, skillset duplication on defense.

And a herniated disk to boot.

Your question is interesting, given that Ernie has drafted Seraphin, Booker, and Singleton.

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

EG never said anything about the injury though

I mean, offense is of course important, but I have a hard time believing a strong, tough defensive player wouldn’t be on his radar. Clearly EG doesn’t like Biyombo much — my guess is he was just being diplomatic about it.

Getting buckets since 2003.

by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 27, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

do u think its fair for him to speak publicly on a prospect's injury?

has that ever happened? honest question. i’m not aware of any gm going on record about injury concerns pre-draft, or speaking on another team’s player’s injury post-draft (or any other time).

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

Did EG speak on his knees?

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 8:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

No

I think he was sitting at the time…

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by Rook6980 on Jun 27, 2011 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

later 1st rounders

the 6th pick is going to see more floortime than them….guess we’ll see if he is the defensive force some folks think he will be.

by DCrez on Jun 27, 2011 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

since when?

Jan is the 6th pick in the draft, the minutes are now his to lose.

by DCrez on Jun 27, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since forever.

Unless the player is an instant upgrade (i.e. he’s coming in to fill a roster hole), he earns his burn just like everyone else. That may well be the case for Vesely here, but if so then Vesely earned the minutes he gets here by playing well in partizan.

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 9:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

rec'd

Ernie said “right now”. Wiz already have some guys in the hustle, defensive type mold (Booker, Seraphin, Jeffers even if not long term, NDiaye), even if they don’t have that superstar defensive potential. Now Singleton joins the fold. Rebounding is still a need, but the Wizards need some players that are at least average 2-way.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 28, 2011 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now that the draft is done, how about those free agents...

We have a roster spot open, right? So we could sign a free agent. Of course, we have no idea how much cap room we’re going to have, etc. But that said, who might we want to target? I’m thinking a tough veteran rebounder with a low usage rate would be good — maybe someone like Reggie Evans.

More likely the team will just save the flexibility, but it’s an interesting topic of discussion…

by steadyhand on Jun 27, 2011 7:01 PM EDT reply actions  

no thanks.

I would rather hold onto the cap space and roster slot. for two reasons.

1) judicious use of cap space (and the ghost of vladimir veremeenko) yielded us seraphin, crawford, and singleton. maybe EG can pull it off again in february?

2) cost to benefit ratio will be too high.

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

In addition...

If you leave a roster spot open, you can:
1. Take on a player from another team..(ie: BOYD trade) WITHOUT having to send any player(s) back. My guess is that the Wizards could have $18 Million under the cap (obviously could be more depending on the new CBA, but I used a conservative cap number of $65 Million – last Owner’s offer was $68 Million)…. So, for instance, the Wizards could trade a highly protected second round pick for a BOYD player PLUS an unprotected 2012 first round pick…..

2. If injuries hit particularly hard at one position, they would have roster room to call up a D-League replacement… or sign a guy on a 10-day contract…

3. They would have the flexibility to make an unbalanced trade (trade 1 player and get 2 back). Particularly important to keep that flexibility for this year’s trade deadline as Rashard Lewis’ contract is only guaranteed for $10 Million next year – and there may be a team that would want to save the remainder ($12 Million)….by trading for his contract, and then releasing him in the Summer.

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by Rook6980 on Jun 27, 2011 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

But then again...

Aaron Gray is opting out. He’s 26 so best years are in front of him. That’s intriguing…

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Meh... the problem is he adds to the logjam at forward.

And he doesn’t add anything to the mix, skillset-wise.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

he does seem like a raw versio nof Blatche

there’s really slim pickings in this year’s FA crop, so I’m glad we’re not looking at or looking for signing any major contributors

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 28, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I actually agree

But it’s fun to consider the possibilities. There might actually be someone that makes sense, and frankly I wouldn’t bet on N’Daiye or Sellers being part of our long-term solution, so I would cut them to make room for a deal, or a free agent with long-term potential.

by steadyhand on Jun 28, 2011 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sellers?

Jeffers?

Oh, and look above, what do you think of Aaron Gray as a backup center in FA?

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess it depends on how much he costs

and I haven’t watched Gray play much lately, but I recall him as being lumberingly slow. No thanks if that hasn’t changed.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Aside from Chris Paul (obviously), he is why the Hornets were competitive against LA in the playoffs.

Just having his big body in there to bang with Gasol and Bynum made a world of difference. We need that. I’d pay slightly less than (or up to) the MLE for that.

And he’s 26 so he’s still another 2-3 years away from peaking. The only question is, like you say, how much he costs, and what contenders can underbid us and get him anyway?

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is big and slow. But his post defensive technique has improved.

But we have nothing but athletes. We need some 7-foot beef in the worst way.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just not sure if slow is going to fit with Wall

i know that beggars can’t be choosers though…which is why I won’t say we need a Tyson Chandler clone.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he doesn't need to run. We've got a bazillion athletes for that.

I’d strongly consider him if he can be had for somewhere in the neighborhood of 4yrs/$15m

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I guess

Seems like an oversimplification to say he doesn’t need to run though. Not a whole lot of lumbering big men that are effective in the modern era.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Centers that run the break are the exception, period.

As for effective, you’ve got Bogut, Kaman, Bynum, M.Gasol, Al Jefferson, Hibbert, etc., and I’m sure I could come up with a few more if I looked at reserves.

The Nene’s and Camby’s of the NBA aren’t driving the big guys into extinction. Its the other way around, the dearth of skilled big bodies is giving rise to the undersized athletic center.

That’s why Shaq dominated. There were guys as athletic as him, they were just 4 inches shorter and 40lbs lighter. There were guys (nearly) as big as him, they were just slow and couldn’t jump over a credit card.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ok, but

if memory serves, Gray is slower than all of them. The guys you mentioned can get up and down the floor. Shaq has no place in this discussion…freak athlete AND huge. The guy used to go coast to coast on the regular. Modern day Shaq on the other hand couldn’t get up and down the court…and is gone.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's no slower than any of them getting up and nown the court.

He can get back on D (etc.) as well as any of them, That’s not the same as breaking. None of them run the break.

Anyway, he doesn’t need to be them. Just defend them in the post, and battle them for rebounds….

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

True, but he's also coming off his best season, trending upwards,

and played the best ball of his career in the playoffs. Against one of the best front line’s in basketball. That might just earn him a nice check…

Rather bring him into a sound, hardworking locker room and give him a fair shot than waste space and cap on Nazr.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oops, I meant Owens. Not sure where I got "Sellers" from

I like Jeffers more than Owens (he’s younger, better and plays harder).
As for Aaron Gray, I’d swap Hamady out for him, but I’m not sure how much value he adds. He’s what we need in terms of a 3rd string BIG man, but wouldn’t be my first choice. (Although I hardly remember seeing him play, so I’m extrapolating from a general impression that he reminded me of every other slow-footed 7’ journeyman I’ve seen in the League.)

by steadyhand on Jun 28, 2011 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

So who would be your first choice,

all other things (budget especially) being equal?

Hornets fans have a favorable impression of Gray, judging by their SB nation site. They seem more worried to lose him than David West.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah i really like the quick turnaround

i’m more confident on our roster now.. more athletic, young, tough and high energy guys (except you andray)

by Spartacus07 on Jun 28, 2011 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hard not to like what he's been doing

I, for one, am not really concerned about his past dealings when we’re so far along in the new era. Wiz can potentially challenge for a playoff spot next year!

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by qthaballa on Jun 28, 2011 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

To be fair about Ernie in the new era

You’ve got to look at the whole picture.

He made some good to great trades. I still think he got too little in the 2010 fire-sale but dealing Arenas, turning Veermenko in Hinrich and a pick and then turning Hinrich in Crawford and another pick are good (if not great) trades.

However, the jury is still out on his drafts. We lucked into 2 no brainers in John Wall and Chris Singleton (who was projected to go mid to late lottery), so I don’t credit Ernie for taking them. Trevor, Kevin and Jan truly are his picks. Booker is a career backup role player type talent. Seraphin and especially Jan are potentially much more but could also become busts. We’ll see, but i’m not jumping up and down over his draft choices so far.

As far as dishing out extensions during the Ted era, there has only been 1 so far, AB. It was to early in my opinion given the fact his old contract would still have him on the roster for next season (and half the price). The benefit of a relatively low contract would have still be there this summer, unless Blatche turned into an bonefide All Star (in which case we would still be cheaper this yr than waiting till he would become a FA in 2012). I’m curious to see how he handles Nick’s extension…

As far as coaching staff decisions, we haven’t upgraded at all… No bigman coach hired as of yet, no defensive specialist no improvements on the medical staf, no improvements on player personnel (how can you not hire someone to full-time assist your rookies, especially Seraphin to get used to (a new country) the NBA, living on their own, making sure they have a proper diet etc etc.

All in all, a mixed bag imho. He’s very crafty in his trades and good at saying nothing with a lot words (a good quality for politicians ánd GM’s imo) but the jury is still out on his drafting and there is much to be desired in other area’s.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

It’s funny, but I think our medical staff has gotten a WHOLE LOT better now that our old vets have been replaced by young players. Maybe Cleveland and Dallas hired some of our staff because their ex-Wizards are always injured and of course injuries to Wizards are always the medical staff’s fault.

(note: sarcasm alert)

by MR on Jun 28, 2011 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sarcasm understood. On a serious note however..

The fact that injuries were lingering for Blatche, Seraphin, Yi, Wall, Lewis etc, etc, are alarming.

It might suggests that the medical staff chronically diagnose the problem incorrect (like with John’s knee issue diagnosed as tendinites then stated as a bonebruise and finally they discoverd it was growing pains). A wrong diagnose leads to the wrong treatment i.e. not solving the actual problem but treating the sympthomes. This causes the player to reinjure himself, thinking that he is good to go, while he is really not.

The fact that players get injured so frequently and have been for many years might suggest there is a physiology problem. Physiologist, medical specialists and coaching staff would ideally colaborate to determin the proper amount of exersise and time table for a returning player.

Look, i’m no doctor ofcourse and am probably pretty oblivious on these fields of expertiese but it has been hapening for years and I haven’t heard anything that suggested they adressed it.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn't luck into Singleton.

He traded for the pick. He makes his money outside the draft lottery, and I will probably never again question him not packaging picks to move up…

And both Kirk Hinrich trades were great trades. The second one was a fleece job.

And Flip and crew was a HUGE coaching upgrade. He was also Grunfeld’s first hire in his tenure here. I’m all but sure the assistants do assist the rookies.

And oh yeah, let’s sign Phoenix’s medical staff in free agency…

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

But Flip IS an upgrade in terms of player development. Eddie Jordan was clueless.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ed Taps was director of player development under Eddie.

Ed Taps is director of player development under Flip!

I can only assume it’s a title moreso than anything else…

by DCrez on Jun 28, 2011 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know enough about him to say

but it sure would be convenient if we could all agree that Ed Taps was terrible. This would allow us to always refer to him as Ed Taps…that ass!

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep

only way you can really get into Ernie over the past 18 months is if you selectively remove decisions/signings/picks. It all counts.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 28, 2011 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes he did luck into Singleton

Yes he traded for the pick in the Hinrich deal and yes he didn’t package the pick in order to move up but there was no way of knowing a concensus mid to late lottery type talent would be sitting there at #18.

As for not questioning Ernie for not trading up, would you have said the same if we hadn’t drafted Singleton but say Tobias Harris or Motiejunas? That were likely Wizards pick at # 18 and reasonable value at that pick. Singleton is a either a steel at # 18 (and thus we are lucky he fell that far) or other GM’s know something Ernie and all mockdraft sites did not.

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"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ernie said it himself at his post draft presser

He wanted to draft him at #18 but didn’t think it would be realistic. So when he was still there, it was a no brainer i.e. we got lucky to get him

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's only a no brainer because he valued Singleton highly

clearly it wasn’t a no brainer for the Knicks. I gotta give credit where it’s due here.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

You sound like a hater.

“He didn’t do a good job. He just got lucky.” That’s the definition of hating.

by jones-y on Jun 28, 2011 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I said Ernie's tenure is a mixed bag so far in the Ted era

Good/great trades
1 questionable extension
Jury still out his picks

So, you’re putting words in my mouth without arguing against perfectly legitamate reservations without actually debating them and then you call me a hater?!

Agree or dissagree whith me but atleast debate your standpoint without calling me names or just say nothingmat all

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 29, 2011 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry. Shouldn't have called you a name.

I think overall, I am with you, except for the fact that I don’t see how trading for a pick and drafting a guy who slid 4-5 slots can be called luck. I am ONLY debating your assertion that Grunfeld got lucky. Guys slide all the time. Especially defenders.

Good fortune? Okay… Luck? Not in my book.

Grunfeld has made many good-to-great picks outside of the lottery in his career as an exec. Shouldn’t that be considered a skill of his? Or has he been getting by on ‘luck’ all this time?

If it is luck, then the draft itself is nothing more than an exercise in luck.

by jones-y on Jun 29, 2011 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nothingmat all

Just wanted both options covered.

by Jim America on Jul 2, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

As far as getting the foreign players acclimated to this country,

… I thought that they would use hockey players as mentors such as Caps goalie and fellow countryman Neuvirth for Vesely.
   In the case of Seraphin, maybe he got paired up with some burly Quebecois defense man who would have advised him that "Nobody gets in the crease " (“Personne entre la territoire de but”).

by BobbyD1978 on Jun 28, 2011 6:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Good idea! Cross-interaction between Teds teams on a player level would be really inventive

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

*n'entre

And oui, I know this makes me bilingually annoying.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

He payed a fine instead

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wait, did he?

I thought he just had to go to one day of “John school”. This is critically important as his ability to evade consequences after soliciting an undercover officer and surviving a bullet to the chest are pretty much all I still liked about him.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Well, I just assumed he paid one but I really cant remember what he did or did not pay to be honest

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 28, 2011 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whew

don’t scare me like that, Dutch.

My people are from Texel by the way.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh please

Sign me up for the try to pay to bang a cop and get an extension plan please.

by Jim America on Jun 28, 2011 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

You have to consistently produce to get paid well

i don’t think this had anything to do with it.

He shall heretofore be known as the Teflon John.

by Jim America on Jul 2, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

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