Questions for the futue
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 5:05 AM EDT
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I'm not going to be negative anymore about Vesely. He is a Wizard now, he can do some stuff and can't do a bunch of other stuff and his girlfriend is hot.
I do have some question's and I'm wondering what you guys think
Minutes distribution
Lewis plays starting minutes at SF next yr. He is our only real veteran, he's paid the 2nd highest salary in they league behind only Kobe Bryant and he is under contract for the coming season and the one after that. Blatche is our best player at PF and is our default starter at that position. With the both of them playing 35 mpg (starters minutes) there are 26 mpg left at the forwards spots and 4 young forwards to fill them with. Singleton can play the 3, 4 and some 2 imo but at the 2 view minutes will be available if we resign Nick. Blatche can play the 5 but its not ideal for him to be effective, especially not defensively. Seraphin is a center, stuck in a PF body and he lacks the athleticism to make up for it, so he is best used at the 4 with a long (offensively skilled) center next to him.
So, how are we going to distribute the available PT in order to develop all of them? That's going to be difficult. Should we therefore trade one or two of them at the deadline for some other asset maybe? I know some will scream we should trade Blatche to answer this question but think about the lack of skill and scoring in our front court first. He is our only legit scorer among them (even if he doesn't really try all that hard).
Rebounding
With only 1 rosterspot left, McGee and Ndiaye are our only centers. Booker and Blatche are natural PF’s and Lewis and Vesely will be playing most of the SF minutes I presume (What about Singleton and Seraphin you say? See the above). This group is extrémely weak on the boards. Especially defensively. We all know what that means: extra possessions will be to easy to come by for our opponents and without rebounds/stops we’re not going to be playing a lot of transition basketball at all (which is about the only thing I see us doing above average next season). Nick starting at the 2 is not going to help us much either and we can’t expect John to log 82 double digit-rebounding games right? So how are going to get 40+ rebounds on a regular basis?
Next year's draft
Next year there is a plethora of wing prospects coming out. Currently NBAdraft.net has 17 (!!?) of them going in the 1st round, 12 of them 6'6 or bigger and 5 more if you count combo 2's. With Young and Crawford penciled in as our 2 guard rotation for the future, and Vesely and Singleton penciled in as our small forward rotation for the future, didn’t we address the wrong problem this yr? Isn’t our bigman problem much bigger in terms of rebounding defense and legitimate size? Are we gonna skip on the BPA next yr in 1 out of 2 possible cases?
Cheers guys.
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I don't think they have Vessely penciled in as 3..
I say they are preparing to “Forget about Dre” down the line….
Rebounding is still definitely a problem for sure. And will be the reason we are a bad team again next year probably.
The logjam at the SF sucks. Hopefully Vesely gets most of the backup PF minutes because I do want to see Singleton and Wall running together. Problem is Shart will be starting, Singleton backing him up. Same with Blatche, then Vesely. The odd man out is Trevor Booker more than likely, and I hate that.
Ideally, Blatche will have some major career epiphany, decide to put forth his best effort, and turn into a legitimate rebounding big man. He will take over all of the backup C minutes, because that would open up a lot of PF time where Vesely, Singleton, Booker, Rashard, and even Singleton can play.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 24, 2011 5:39 AM EDT reply actions
Good Qs..
Minutes distribution
144 minutes for SF, PF and C
How about:
McGee – 32
Blatche – 32
Lewis – 30
Vesely – 15
Singleton – 15
Booker – 15
Seraphin – 5
Rebounding
Only Kanter is a good rebounder who is also fit to the team in the draft, so unless we could get him, other options will not solve this problem anyway
I hope Vesely can pick up a few pounds and help out, if not, our target big name FA in 2 years should be a rebounding PF
Next year’s draft
Vesely is 6"11 and still growing, he should be a 4 instead of a 3
Get a SF that can shoot next year and we should be on the way to contend in 3-4 years
what do u guys think?
plus he's not part of the future.
i would have him sit at the end of the bench and collect checks.
by Staybon on Jun 24, 2011 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agree
I doubt he even wants to be on the court that long. Not to mention no one else wants him on the court that long. And I would bet you $5 he doesn’t play 70 games this season.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 25, 2011 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If Vesely can play the 4 consistantly
We can draft a Jumpshooting SF next yr, yes. But I’m not sure he can. He’s not good enough of a rebounder, isn’t strong enoug and he has no post game. His moter makes that he won’t be beaten effortwise…
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
He actually has a very good post game.
by spanishfalcon on Jun 25, 2011 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
No he doesn't
He scores pretty efficiently in the post by getting good position and then spins towards the basket. Most of his post game is going straight to the basket. He does’t have great footwork or polished back to the basket moves and his turn around J is very inconsistant.
It worked in Europe but against bigger, stronger, quicker athletes in the NBA I’m not so sure he’ll get it done in the post.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 25, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Another SF?
I hope that Vesely will be our 3 for the future because he’s shown no defensive rebounding ability to qualify him as our permanent 4. I seriously doubt he’ll be growing (unless you mean filling out) since he’s 21 already. The Wizards’ big weakness, as Dutch points out, is rebounding. Even with the addition of Singleton and the continued development of McGee, Booker, Vesely, Blatche and Seraphin, rebounding is still likely to be the team’s biggest weakness next season. The ultimate answer is to draft a Sullinger-type player next season. Otherwise, this team’s ceiling is high lottery/low playoff seed mediocrity.
rebounding has been and always will be an issue with this ballclub
the one strength:athleticism (trust me after reading several other blogs, the athleticism on this roster is certainly desirable by other teams)…mcgee, wall, and vesely and run with it
J.UST E.NJOY T.HIS S.HIT
This is Forty08.
Finally agreeing with Dutch
Dutch, I’m glad you’re curious about our curious selection of 2 SF’s when next years draft is loaded with the. If Singleton slipped to 18 this year he may have slipped to 2nd round, next year! Vesley may not have been lottery. What are we going to do when we’re on the clock next year and the 3 next BPAs are all SFs??? Pick a big man project?
I’m a big EG fan, so I have faith that he knows a lot that we don’t, especially re: Vesley. Maybe it’s the simple fact that he’s super athletic, 7 feet tall, and has a big IQ – that might be enough – or could be disaster. Anyway, good post. They may showcase Lewis beginning of the season for a trade to get him off the books – and to keep him away from Vesley’s girlfriend.
by mogoman on Jun 24, 2011 9:27 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Trading Lewis at the deadline.... That would be a master piece
Maybe the new CBA sorts things out with Lewis’ contract. For now we need his shooting and experience.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
There is always the trade deadline
To make moves and move assets. Really feels like we’re throwing shit against the wall though to some extent. Seraphin, Booker, N’Daie, Vesely… where’s the size and rebounding. Where’s our Big Baby? Where’s our Perkins? Where’s our Mutombo?
by Unselds on Jun 24, 2011 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Terrific post Dutch
You are exactly right and that’s why imho this draft was really not that good other than Singleton falling to us….and he may not be able to get enough minutes. But what can you do? Hope for the best, and call for EGs head if it doesnt work out
Tnx dude
Ernie and Jan get the benifit of the doubt for now, but my pitchfork and torch are close by ;-)
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
so ...
would you have traded Vesely and Singleton for Enes?
Thats a hard pill to swallow for me…
RIght now we have too many you guys, Seraphin getting 5 min next year is now realistic, and to me thats rediculous that a young guy like him will be warming the bench for a second straight year.
With all these assets, I’d like to see a trade of Blatche and Serapahin for a LEGIT PF starter like david west (pre injury)
by NotGivinUpOnDray on Jun 24, 2011 10:58 AM EDT reply actions
Remember we got lucky at # 18 though
You’re right, Vesely AND Singleton for Kanter is too much but in Singleton is a lottery talent and we got lucky he fell to us.
Normaly # 6 + # 18 for # 3 and picking Kanter and Darius Moris or Nolan Smith would have been a better draft. Obviously, Utah and Cleveland wanted more..
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Trade Dray?
NotGivinUpOnDray – sounds like you’re giving up on Dray. Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
Lewis should be starting because it would just not be right to have the 2nd highest paid player coming off the bench
but I really hope he doesn’t play starters minutes. He’s clearly declining, but still a good locker room presence. I’d like to see him start but have Flip rely more on Singleton, Vesely, and Booker to take some minutes at the 3.
by PhenomenalSwag on Jun 24, 2011 11:03 AM EDT reply actions
I'm not sure he's a good locker room presence
Obviously, Mo Evans was. I’m not trashing Lewis, I just think the assumption that he’s been great in the locker room hasn’t really been supported by what I read.
I actually think Lewis should start but only because he has 3 point range. Absent Lewis, there’s only one guy with 3 point range on our team. To have a good drive and kick game, I think you need two of them.
I agree that lewis is needed for his 3pt range
Though, if I’m right Singleton was somewhere around 35% from college 3 right?
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Start Lewis at PF.
Make Blatche and McGee fight it out at C.
Have we forgotten that this team couldn't score without Blatche on the floor?
And we drafted two guys who can’t shoot.
That was when Wall couldn't shoot. If Wall's jump shot is true, that makes a huge difference.
Last year, when we had, say, Wall and McGee on the floor, that meant that we faced two defenders who were free to just camp out under the basket.
Next year, if Wall’s J is respectable, defenses will have to respect our pick and roll, and both of those defenders have to step outside to defend.
With a good pick and roll, spacing improves enough that we can play a guy like Vesely alongside Wall and McGee.
With a good pick and roll, Blatche’s playmaking abilities won’t be needed with the starters. We can bring him in off the bench and run the second unit’s offense through him. Start Rashard instead, both for his veteran presence and because his catch and shoot ability meshes nicely with Wall’s game.
Why is Lewis needed?
Lewis is clearly not part of the team’s long-term, or even medium-term, future. Every minute he’s on the court is at the expense of the development of our young core of forwards – that is, unless you see some teaching value the youngsters may receive from his example. I hope Lewis receives minimal minutes next season. We’re not going to be contending for the title next season so the main focus needs to be on developing the talent of Vesely, Booker and Singleton. And the best way to develop that talent is to maximize their minutes on the court.
Question:
If theres an amnesty clause in the CBA, do we for sure use it on Rashard?
Who else?
Dare I say….Blatche?
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol noooo
Definitely Rashard.
Nobody is willing to go out of their way to give up a solid asset for Dray at the moment, even as affordable as he is, but plenty of teams would jump all over the chance at signing the guy as a free agent.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 25, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Sorry - but I have to interject here.... Why NOT Blatche?
Rashard has really only one season left on his contract. He is owed $22M this year (2011-2012), but his contract is not fully guaranteed for the 2012-2013 season – and he can be released in the Sumer of 2012 and only $10 Million would count against the Wizards Cap.
On the other hand – Blatche has 4-years left on his contract, including this year:
2011-2012 = $6,442,083
2012-2013 = $7,118,502
2013-2014 = $7,794,921
2014-2015 = $8,471,339
Total = $29,862,845
So which would you prefer – save $22 Million off THIS year’s cap and $10 Million off next years?
Or Keep Rashard for this season – and by the Summer of 2012 he would be a very VALUABLE trade chip (Save a team $13 Million off their cap) and save Blatche’s $29 Million over the next 4 years….?
Now think about Dwight Howard potentially being a restricted Free Agent in the Summer of 2012 – and demanding a trade…..
Wizards could offer:
Rashard Lewis expiring contract (worth $13 Million savings off the 2012-13 season’s cap)
JaVale McGee, Jordan Crawford and Booker – and a couple draft picks…
That’s three players that were 1st round picks + cap relief + picks
The Wizards could take back a bad contract (Hedo Turkoglu) and get Dwight Howard
PG – Wall, Shelvin Mack
SG – Young, Othyus Jeffers
SF – Singleton, Hedo, Larry Owens
PF – Seraphin, Vesely
C – Howard, Ndiaye
That’s a superb defensive team with lock down defenders at 2, 3, and 5
Only lacking shooting…. but with Dwight Howard onboard -the Wiz would have their pick have any number of veteran Free Agent shooters lining up to go for a ring.
So is using the amnesty on Rashard STILL look like the best option?
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
That's a KILLER line up to go against the Heat.... at least defensively
Wall pestering
Young and Jeffers to slow down D-Wade…
Singleton to keep LeBaby shooting blanks…
Vesely is mobile and quick enough to bother Bosh….
(and if nothing else, Seraphin can foul the crap out of him 6 times)
and Howard making sure no one gets to the rim….
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Dude!!
You’re absolutely right. You got me pumped just thinking about it!
I noticed next yrs #1 is in the trade.. Ahh i could live with that if it gets us Howard.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 25, 2011 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I think of Shards contract
As the equivalent of Gil’s contract. Obviously not the case. My silly misconception.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 26, 2011 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Huh?
Howard would come here to play next to Seraphin and Singleton? Highly unlikely. He’s more likely to
end up in NY.
The Dutchman is right. This draft did nothing to fill the Wiz’s two biggest weaknesses. And hardly anybody on the roster sans Wall is coveted around the league.
by Izman on Jun 25, 2011 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This assumes that Howard wants to come here
If Howard doesn’t want to sign with us, this trade can’t happen (we’re not going to give Orlando all those assets to rent Howard for a year). I’ve read that Howard’s top preferences are LA and NY (what a surprise!). So, to make this happen, we need to convince Orlando to trade within the same conference AND we need to persuade Howard that DC and this team is where he wants to complete his career.
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