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This pick should end Ernie's career here

The Kevin Seraphin pick last year was terrible and anyone who knows basketball will tell you that. The trade for Mike Miller and Randy Foye for a fifth pick two years ago was terrible. The actual belief that a team led by Jamison, Butler and Arenas would actually contend for a championship was terrible. Ernie Grunfield continues to build a mediocre at best team and for this fan time has run its course. Tonight's pick of Jan Vesely signifies that this franchise will never succeed with him as General Manager. Vesely is not what this team needs at all, he is all by all accounts a shorter Javale Mcgee. He has shown he does nothing well other than dunk. For those who do not understand, let me translate this means no rebounds, no jump shots, more turnovers and even less defensive prowess. Exactly what the wizards don't need. We need people with defined roles and star qualities that will enable our 2010 number one pick better. What we got tonite ladies and gentlemen is just another person for wall to throw a alley-oop too. The better pick would have been the lithuanian power forward , Kahawi Leonard, or Klay Thompson. These players all in body something that winning teams have, roles  The wizards have a bunch players with no defined role and its because the general manager does not understand his role to build a championship contender. He's playing the role he's been playing since he's been here, just putting players together. just my thoughts 

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Still don't buy that the Miller-Foye pick was terrible . . .

Considering that the Wizards were trying to make a move, Miller and Foye addressed immediate needs and provided immediate help and none of the picks outside of Evans and Blake Griffin provided immediate help in the draft. Of the best players available, you had some PGs available, but I’d take John Wall over anyone that the Wizards could have landed at the position in 2009.

The bet didn’t pan out, but it was a reasonable wager. As far as the Seraphin pick goes, he was #17 in the part of the draft where you might roll the dice. Calling him a bust at this point is ridiculous. Never mind that the pick in and of itself existed because of Grunfeld’s dealing — he also turned that trade into Jordan Crawford and now Chris Singleton — this for cap space and the rights to a second rounder.

The Vesely pick is a high-risk move for Grunfeld’s career. If the pick doesn’t pan out, then that’s a move that probably will cost him his job. The other ones not so much.

by Vegas010 on Jun 23, 2011 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Miller-Foye was horrible

a high lottery pick for two role players? Not even starters? And they’re gone within a year? The only saving grace is you could argue he was forced by ownership to do it.

by Rooper on Jun 24, 2011 12:39 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Or say that it got us Wall

No credit to EG, but I think we are all glad it happened.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Jun 24, 2011 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

So a miracle fell on EG's lap

Probably won’t happen again any time soon. Hope he gets fired.

by zimz on Jun 24, 2011 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

That pick wasn't horrible for the time

Wiz were in win-now mode and seemingly added a couple pieces that would help them do so. It didn’t work out as planned but no one saw it endign that way and it also doesn’t matter now.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 24, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team direction was totally diff at the time

Abe would’ve fired Ernie for not doing something with that 5th pick. Ted is not whispering to Ernie as much as Abe did, god bless his soul.

by thewiz06 on Jun 24, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

glad to see someone else saying this

you don’t hear people hollering about rubio anymore (which is funny to me now). ernie dumped salary, kept flexibility, gave us one more shot, then moved on. it was reasonable at the time. i’m not losing sleep over curry, or jennings, or derozan. big whoop.

bashing seraphin at this point makes no sense. for that matter, bashing any #17 that doesn’t work out doesn’t make a ton of sense, especially before it’s clear how he’ll turn out.

by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 24, 2011 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vegas..

instead of singleton we should have gotten Faried, We need toughness and players who have defined roles. He is making us look like a YMCA team

by Jay Evolution on Jun 23, 2011 9:44 PM EDT reply actions  

Bra..

Faried will defend small fwds in the league, and since no one on our team has a clue to what a rebound looks like especially in the starting line-up, he could easily make-up for what either Blatche or McGee doesn’t. Thats all I’m suggesting

by Jay Evolution on Jun 23, 2011 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

I certainly see your point.

And I was seriously pulling for Faried. Until NY passed on Singleton. Then I almost shatted myself…

Everything that Faried is, Singleton is too. Only better. The ONE exception is rebounding. On the flip side, Faried is a zero on offense. Singleton isn’t. I’ll take that compromise 8 days a week.

by jones-y on Jun 24, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 24, 2011 1:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Singleton is very tough and arguably the best defender in the draft.

He can guard three, maybe four positions on the court at a high level. And he’s very athletic which fits with the Wiz’s current direction.

What you’re saying doesn’t make sense. Singleton is EXACTLY one of the major things the Wiz needed.

by phaze1 on Jun 24, 2011 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I rest my case..

No big man with Jordan Williams on the board

by Jay Evolution on Jun 23, 2011 10:43 PM EDT reply actions  

What???

I am a MD terps fan and I for one could see that Jordan wasn’t ready for the NBA. He struggled getting his shot off on larger defenders (which he will face in the NBA). He does rebound, but most of that was due to the fact that he was the only big man on MD’s team. I for one would have been pissed had we taken Jordan Williams.

by KonartistNupe on Jun 24, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Singleton isn't a finesse player . . .

He’s willing to do the dirty work. He is already an NBA caliber defender. His offensive skills are not great, but they are much more developed than Faried’s. On offense opponents won’t be able to leave Singleton undefended. I like Faried — he does one thing well — but he’s nowhere near as versatile as Singleton.

Time will tell, but I don’t see this as a close comparison.

by Vegas010 on Jun 23, 2011 10:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Don't think the Seraphin pick was horrible...

Hes a young guy, adjusting to life in the US, injured last year. Give him time to develop

by Joe_G on Jun 23, 2011 11:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed.

Too early to judge the Seraphin pick. The rest of the moves I’ve been critical of. really hated the miller trade when it was made. But Seraphin I’m willing to wait and see on

by Rooper on Jun 24, 2011 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good luck getting him more playing time

with the additions of both Vesely and Singleton. Our forward positions are messy as it is with Booker and Blatche in the mix already. Don’t know where Seraphin fits in the picture anymore. EG basically just wasted our #6 pick or the pick on Seraphin last year.

by zimz on Jun 24, 2011 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on Zimz

You’re just trolling now. Nothing wrong at all with adding competition to the Forward spot. It was needed. In a competition the toughest rise to the top and the Wiz need toughness. Make Blatche go hard every night or sit his tail down because there are others who will. No team is worse of for giving itself options with personnel.

The players will figure out who gets the minutes by their play. And Seraphin can still get on the court if he earns it. He’s very young. Give him time to develop. What the hell is it with fans these days thinking every player is going to be a superstar right away? Patience.

by phaze1 on Jun 24, 2011 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

I have nothing against adding competition to any position

But adding not one, but two SF/PFs yesterday is pushing the limits when we also have other positions to address (i.e. adding a legit backup C, adding a SG to limit Nick Young’s bargaining position, etc.). We now have a minimum of six guys competing for two positions- Vesely, Singleton, Blatche, Booker, Lewis, and Seraphin.

Also something to consider: now that we just took two SFs, what are the odds that we’d even consider drafting another next year, when the draft class is supposed to be extremely heavy in that position? If Vesely doesn’t pan out or becomes a long-term project and Singleton proves to be a one-dimensional player (which is fine, as long as he contributes defensively), we then face the prospect of using a first-round pick yet again for another SF next year. This year was supposed to be the year where we add a significant building block who has a defined role with the 6th pick. Instead, we took a tweener who can’t do anything but dunk. Can you really see Vesely as a building block for the Wizards’ long term future?

by zimz on Jun 24, 2011 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

With that said

I hope Ernie made yesterday’s decisions with the plan to boot Blatche out the door asap. Getting rid of Blatche would at least give us more playing time to distribute to and develop our plethora of prospects at the 3/4, and kickstart our rebooting of the team culture.

by zimz on Jun 24, 2011 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of your points but

getting rid of Blatche has now become impossible… No one on this team would be left to score in the half court. Blatche doesn’t even have to break a sweat in training camp to earn his starting job imho and I don’t like that at all.

As for Seraphin, he wasn’t worth a # 16 pick but he isn’t as bad as he has shown thus far. He was way better at Cholet, France. I think when the oppertunity arised to add the best possible mentor for Wall while also landing an intruiging big, previously out his range (with # 30 and # 35) I think Ernie jumped on it and all it cost an worthless old pick was capspace which we had plenty.

But hey, Maybe Jan will be much better than we expect. Ernie has made mistakes, I agree, but he also has done a good job since Ted took over. Let’s see how this works out.

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

3 positions

Vesely SF/PF
Singleton SF/PF
Booker SF/PF
Lewis SF/PF
Blatche PF/C
Seraphin PF/C

Asuming McGee plays 28mins/game (foul trouble etc) that leaves 116mins =19.3mins avarage.

 I think that is fine when you consider that Levis is coming from injury and that there most likely be some minor injury/flu/whatever messing rotations anyway.

by vmr on Jun 25, 2011 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think you're overstating your case

For example: “The Kevin Seraphin pick last year was terrible and anyone who knows basketball will tell you that”

Actually, Seraphin was projected to be drafted around that place. NBAdraftnet had him going 22 in their last mock draft before the draft itself. I know hindsight is 20/20, but the draft is a lot like playing with 4 to a flush in poker. You look at the odds, hope it comes, but if it doesn’t it doesn’t mean you played the hand incorrectly. That’s just the odds.

I think EG has been a B- minus GM throughout most of his tenure here. It’s true, he struggles with getting role-players to get their specific niche. I also think he tends to swing for the fences with his picks, taking high risk players like McGee and Perechov over more developed talent. Nevertheless, he hits a decent amount and makes mostly good trades: Kwame for Bulter was fantastic.

I’d probably give him one draft to see if he can make the rebuild work. But, if he fails after that, he’s done.

by GJennings on Jun 23, 2011 11:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on

It took Kidd 17 years to win a title,
took Kobe 13 years to become an MVP,
took 4 years for Greg Oden to heal his legs/ feet/ whatever
may take Lebron forever to win a ring

one year of basketball is like nothing compare to a CAREER, go easy on those guys, everyone deserves a chance

by wync on Jun 24, 2011 12:07 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

no prob..

Kidd was a beast in high school(predicted to be the next Magic)
Kobe( dunking like Jordan in HS)
Greg Oden(overrated from the jump, no offense in college)
Lebron( Every wizards fan knows he always been heartless)

by Jay Evolution on Jun 24, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kobe was picked 11th

or around there. Not a prodigy, and he was traded away after being picked.

Skins rule

by Horcasitas4 on Jun 24, 2011 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

13th

Kobe was traded before being picked. In other words, the lakers had their trade partner (Milwaukee was it?) pick Kobe on their behalf.

On the flip side, who cares who Kobe dunks like? Harold Miner was dunking like Jordan in high school too.

Greg Oden had a GREAT post game in college.

by jones-y on Jun 24, 2011 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

no way

was oden overrated. injuries can’t be predicted. he schooled both noah and horford in the title game, and i’d kill to have any of those 3.

by Todd L on Jun 24, 2011 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

yall buggin...

Tobias Harris would have been a better pick. He’s a future Caron Butler type. Singleton is Al Thorton 2.0. In the model of Chicago, he could be what Luol is to Rose. Yall ridin the hype train that Grunfield is giving, our team is set up to fail once again. We did nothing to improve our rebounding, shooting or all around post play. Seraphin is a bum, Vesely will be Yi all over again(6’11 big who plays like a wing aka soft)

by Jay Evolution on Jun 24, 2011 12:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Huh

Several people on this board have been pro-Singleton. One of the editors wrote an article arguing that Singleton should be selected with the 6th overall pick. I don’t think anybody has jumped on the Ernie “hype train.” Honestly, read the draft thread before we picked Singleton, it’d make emo kids want to take prozac.

I think your overall point- EG doesn’t sufficiently consider the roles a player will take on a team- is a good one.

The rest of the stuff… it’s just crazy dumb.

by GJennings on Jun 24, 2011 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

what...

im not crazy about the vesley pick, but im willing to give the man a chance. comparing him to yi is suspect though, considering jan at least has the reputation for playing hard and likes dunking on people while yi just stands outside and takes 18 footers. after all, this team does need people who actually gives effort…

also, thorton never was known as the elite defender that singleton was in college. ill willing to give them all a chance at least…

by wm on Jun 24, 2011 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yi had the exact same rep in China

granted it was an asian league rather than Euro…but he was the dunk Champ and known to play with a nasty edge

by DCrez on Jun 24, 2011 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yi and Vesely

are essentially being projected at different positions. Vesely may never be a great rebounder though he he projects into a SF and develops, there will be mismatches.

by Aquamaneastfish on Jun 24, 2011 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah

dude…weak argument….just weak. these guys are professionals, they are going to have access to coaching, training, etc. its not like the skill sets they have right now in their ROOKIE SEASONS is going to be their ceilings.

have some patience, lets let these guys develop, let alone step on a court together before we start pulling out our pitchforks. if you call yourself a true wizards/bullets fan, you should know the meaning of the word patience.

why not take some risks in one of the weaker drafts in recent history? i think EG did a good job with what was available, and we filled some needs. youre a fool if you think we were just going to solve all of our problems in one weak draft. idk about you guys, but im looking forward to seeing vesely catch some alley oops on the fast break….

by proghead33 on Jun 24, 2011 12:42 AM EDT reply actions  

I for one am a huge vesely hater.

But even I know, that if he pans out, he’s going to be an absolute nightmare for opposing teams to guard. Even if I believe that there’s a 75% chance that he will be a huge bust, there’s still a 25% he won’t be, and in a draft like THIS? I’m going to take that chance.

Ernie put faith that good players would fall to him, and you know what. He was right. Singleton and Mack are absolute steals. The downright best damn defender in the nba draft and a guard that took his team to back to back NCAA Finals appearances, sprinkled with a little bit of hustle, motor, heart, and a european high risk/high reward player. IN A DRAFT LIKE THIS. It’s a recipe for good team building.

I’m eating what ernie is cooking.

Geting it done.

by Knowledge92 on Jun 24, 2011 1:46 AM EDT reply actions   3 recs

Except, it sounds like he should have taken those picks in a different order...

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on the NBA’s backwards value system, Singleton was a reach at 6, and Vesely would’ve been picked at 8 at the latest.

Of course you can pretend they were picked in reverse order. Whatever helps…

by jones-y on Jun 24, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

That is working for me thus far ;-)

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 26, 2011 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Rec'd, fantastic post bro

-Anyone who knows basketball will tell us the Seraphin pick was terrible? Is this a fact? I mean did you really discuss Seraphin’s draft spot with EVERY single entire person that knows basketball? If so, my bad.

-It’s also very foolish to think that a team led by 3 All-Stars can contend for a championship, I agree with that. And Mike Miller will definitely not ever play a role for a Finals team…

-EG’s trading Gilbert Arenas and giving the team a year of huge salary relief was dumb. Then he traded Hilton Armstrong and Kirk for leftovers from the Hawks. Now we can’t even run the 3 PG lineup anymore. Mismanagement of the roster definitely.

-Then we drafted Jan Vesely who doesn’t fit the Wizards fast paced, open floor offense at all. Why? We could have gotten Montejunas at 6 who should be a great shooter and is big, so what if he doesn’t really play D or has a great motor or passion for the game and he went 20th.

Or we could’ve reached for Klay Thompson at 6 too, even though we have core pieces at that spot (NY and Crawford) and not SF, his dad played in the league so it would be better to have him.

-EG is also just “putting player together” like clay or legos, with no regard for anyone’s feeling. You hit everything spot on. Thanks for this post

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 24, 2011 2:09 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Answer me this..

Name one person on this team right now that we can rely on to do anything besides John Wall? Everyone left is here from Grunfield era. Eight years and no significant players outside of Wall. Seraphin has no Basketball IQ whatsoever, in fact he and Booker are just players to make up for the previous seven years of drafting soft players. And you are hyped by the fact we drafted a 6’11 guy who averaged 9pts and 4 rebounds, cause he can keep up with Wall? The trading of Gilbert was clean-up for giving him too much in the first place, he should have had the balls to let Gilbert and his ego, antics and bull-ish keep going. In fact we could have signed a better point guard in Baron Davis at the time and saved the Pollins $40 million. We haven’t had a decent post player since Juwan averaged 20 and 9, Im no general manager and i know that. And while we at it as far as drafting Klay Thompson, he was the best shooter with prototypical NBA size and athleticism in the draft. Do we have any shooters, No.. And if Im correct Jordan Crawford was a Combo guard coming out of Xavier, so that means he can run the point as he done in College as well since he’s been with the wizards. Oh not to mention if Nick did decide to leave we have a great shooter for Wall to kick out too when drives the lane. So to close “bro” Ernie is a doing a great job in your eyes and I respect your opinion but to me for the last eight years have been blunder after blunder. And as person who pays his season tickets bill every year for the last ten years, i want a new GM who understands what it will take to build a championship team not a mediocre playoff team

by Jay Evolution on Jun 24, 2011 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm feelin you, even though I dont want to

I’ll tell you right now that Singleton is 5x the player Vesely is and what may save EGs bacon is he LUCKED into him at 18th. So a few years from now when yet another Ernie euro-mystery pick quietly disolves it’ll be like “but he got Singleton who is balling!”

that’s great, but Jan is the 6th pick in the draft. There are a million red flags on this kid, if he doesnt pan out EG needs to be canned. I mean come on, a SF that cant shoot AT ALL but isnt a rebounder or lock down defender? Where is this NBA that Ernie watches where tall, long guys just run up and down the court scoring on fastbreaks that happen without defense or rebounding? Insane.

by DCrez on Jun 24, 2011 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hmmm.
Name one person on this team right now that we can rely on to do anything besides John Wall

Define ‘anything’

Eight years and no significant players outside of Wall.
Define ‘significant’
Seraphin has no Basketball IQ
Acknowledged project
he and Booker are just players to make up for the previous seven years of drafting soft players
How do you know this?
you are hyped by the fact we drafted a 6’11 guy who averaged 9pts and 4 rebounds, cause he can keep up with Wall?
We are reconciled, and becoming informed. The risks aren’t exactly hidden.
The trading of Gilbert was clean-up for giving him too much in the first place, he should have had the balls to let Gilbert and his ego, antics and bull-ish keep going.
Perhaps you forget Abe loved him. And had a max contract all set to go. And that Gilbert was rapidly approaching Superstar status. Context.
could have signed a better point guard in Baron Davis at the time and saved the Pollins $40 million
1. Hindsight. 2. No, thank you.
We haven’t had a decent post player since Juwan averaged 20 and 9, Im no general manager and i know that.
Pretty sure everyone knows that (assuming you’re only referring to offensive post presence, otherwise Brendan Haywood wants to have a chat with you).
Do we have any shooters, No..
Nick Young?
And if Im correct Jordan Crawford was a Combo guard coming out of Xavier, so that means he can run the point as he done in College as well since he’s been with the wizards.
Why is this relevant?
Oh not to mention if Nick did decide to leave we have a great shooter for Wall to kick out too when drives the lane
This makes no sense, but I’m going to assume you meant it sarcastically. Didn’t you just say we had no shooters?
the last eight years have been blunder after blunder
I will be shocked if ANYONE agrees with you here.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 25, 2011 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Don't forget re: Baron Davis, if we're playing the hindsight game

That Rashard will be much more valuable at the trade deadline than Baron will be, especially if that knee is looking good

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 25, 2011 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 27, 2011 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

@ qthaballa

Preeeaaach… LoL

I wasn’t a fan of the Vesely pick, but his athleticism fits the direction the Wiz are going in so I will hope he adds more facets and strength to his game going forward.

Singleton and Mack are GREAT picks. Steals.

by phaze1 on Jun 24, 2011 2:40 AM EDT reply actions  

Hate to say it but, you are more correct than wrong

even if over the top at several points there.

The most annoying part is now Jan gets the whole “he needs time to adjust blah blah” that saves Ernie’s bacon for several seasons. Folks already say that the upcoming season is really Seraphin’s “first” for various reasons. I swear Ernie loves these mystery picks that have built-in grace periods and then can be forgotten aka Pech when they are lousy a few years later.

by DCrez on Jun 24, 2011 9:50 AM EDT reply actions  

That's what it takes to get good big men.

Its like good linemen in football. throw draft picks at the position and see who sticks.

by jones-y on Jun 24, 2011 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

I don't understand why people are hating on Jan

Almost every analyst is saying that the Wizards were one of the best winners of the night. We drafted a freak athlete that’s already been playing an important role for a winning team in a tough league. Not to mention that he is very young, and brings to the table of what we may lack most, freaken basketball IQ. We know that at worst Jan is going to be a key role player because of his energy and high basketball IQ, and he’s definitely a great fit to Joh, so how in the world is that such a bad pick. There was no one else to draft at that position anyway.

by Young Wook Lee on Jun 24, 2011 1:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Context

I think you need to put some of the initial Jan backlash in context. This has been the Wizards fan draft experience.
Pre-lottery- Let’s go Wizards!! Derrick Williams! Enes Kanter! Harrison Barnes! Perry Jones! Jared Sullinger! This is great. C’mon no. 1 pick. Heck, anything in the top 5, I think will give us a good piece.

Then all nearly of the players dropped out. We got a terrible lottery selection. Nevertheless, we were still excited that Enes Kanter would fall to us or that we could work out a trade to get either of them. However, something terrible happened:
KAAAAHHHHHNNN.

When we draft Jan V, it seemed that he was what fell to us. He was what we got “stuck with.”

After we got Singleton and Mack, I think most of mellowed a bit on Jan. It may turn out to be a great pick, but I think it’s understandable why we have apprehension about a player who shot less than 60% from the FT and is suppose to play SF.

by GJennings on Jun 24, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

This is word for word the thruth GJennings

Rec’d

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 24, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

What we got "stuck with"

Might be better than what we hoped for.

by Young Wook Lee on Jun 26, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Study up Jay

Your heart is in the right place, but you sound like Jay Glassie.

by jones-y on Jun 24, 2011 4:34 PM EDT reply actions  

Jan is the riskiest pick in EGs career.

Not sure why for this ONE prospect all the shooting stats get brushed under the rug as if they don’t matter. Remember they blamed his poor shooting in the NJ workout on the long plane ride? You think it was worse than what actually happened in the games? 18% off the dribble?

i’m just saying….if Jan is a bust imho that should be EGs head

by DCrez on Jun 26, 2011 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's 33.3% from 3pt range

and 30.5% overall as a set shooter. (Not much, but those numbers do demonstrate that there’s some skill there to be improved upon.) He’s also 65% in the post. So he’s got at least one above average offensive skill and one average one.

When you have John Wall as a shot creator, those #s are FAR more important than his poor shot creation ability for himself on the perimeter (11.8%). My biggest worry is the charity stripe.

Is there risk that he’s a bust? Sure… But it depends on the ‘level’ of busthood he reaches. If he’s nothing more than a post threat against SFs, energy defender and rebounder, garbage points guy, and occasional three point shooter, then its a win. With no jumper he’s a meh… Take away his jumper AND his post offense, THEN you’re in bust territory…

But you’ll get energy, defense, and garbage points no matter what. So if he’s a 15-20 minute, zero-on-offense, energy guy off the bench, then yeah he’s a bust. Anything more than that and he’s at the very least an ok pick.

by jones-y on Jun 26, 2011 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

And even if Jan's a bust

EG has done far too much right over the last two years to be in the hot seat.

by jones-y on Jun 26, 2011 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Im a real wizards fan..

I appreciate the words, but I no longer can watch my team be set up by a GM who does not be realistic about what he has and what it takes for us to be the team my city needs. I look at the Thunder, Bulls and Grizzlies as models, and we are not following the blueprint they set. No one whose commented has given me a answer as to what role any other player not named Wall serves, we are constantly just picking up people on the guess not what we know and it sucks. Its so many times I’ve looked at the team and just said why? Every player we’ve had the last eight years either doesnt have heart or playing out of position with the exception of Wall, who one day if this front office doesnt realize its ineptness will do what every franchise player is doing…. making “The Decision” and we’ll be another ten years from where we need to be. You say my heart is in the right place but i think you guys are as you still believe this current front office is building a title contender. Ill support none the less, but it gets harder as I watch more and more teams rise from pretender to contender

by Jay Evolution on Jun 24, 2011 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

It's 100% pure, unadulterated LUCK that singleton fell to us.

If Ernie valued defense the way you are saying, he would have drafted singleton with the 6th.

by DCrez on Jun 26, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why?

Wiz needed to take the best player at that point that wasn’t PG. Even with all his current deficiencies, Vesely was definitely that. Wiz got Singleton anyway so its irrelevant.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 27, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

EG made his own luck. He traded for the #18 pick. He gets credit for singleton.

And Singleton is a huge reach at 6, so your argument is “if EG really valued defense, he would have reached.” He does that and we have a real reason to complain.

by jones-y on Jun 27, 2011 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Even if Ernie's a mediocre GM

Ernie’s still head and shoulders ahead of the horrific GMs we had in the 1980s and 90s (was there ever a worse GM than Wes Unseld)?

by Koperro on Jun 25, 2011 10:01 AM EDT reply actions  

Yup

EG took the wiz to 4 straight playoffs. Name the wizards last 4 playoff runs before that…

He’s not the best GM in the league. But for the last year or two he’s been performing like a top five GM.

by jones-y on Jun 25, 2011 11:24 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Pick shold end grunfield career

I absolutely agree with the gentlemans comments. First of all, if a culture change is needed it absoutely needs to start with grunfied being gone. He is the one that presided over the wizards having collection of players that are tweeners. no players with a defined skill that leads to winning as a team, just a bunch of assholes with skills. Want a change of cultrue, cut of the neck of the snake.

by Ve on Jun 25, 2011 10:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Hmmm to reply....

My man, Nick Young is a scorer in fact he was more of a slasher in college. As far as the Crawford statement, it shows why need a true jump shooter. Not someone who can hit a jumper when he’s got it going, but a guy whose speciality is nothing but. We don’t have that if Nick misses a lay-up first quarter he might finish with thirteen. So I suggested drafting Klay Thompson, a guy who can hover the three point line and when Jordan and John drive the lanes they will have a legitiment knock down shooter. Again something we DON’T have!! As far as me saying he’s getting defensive players now as opposed then speaks for itself. Why do we need a “culture change” now as opposed to then? Everyone in the league knows the Wizards are not a good defensive team and have known that again FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS!!! So thats where the blunder after blunder comes in, because if you are a professional league GM then you more than anyone should know this. If you truly and honestly believe that those three players are going to take you somewhere than why not take what they don’t do namely play defense and rebound, and get them whats needed.Get them that low post threat thats needed to win and if not trade them off while they still have value and you can replace them with whats needed for the team to contend, he never makes the proper move. Every organization thats winning has a team on the floor with defined roles, we don’t. And its a reflection of the poor decisions our GM keeps making. Now supposedly we got two forwards who are athletic and defensive minded, along with a combo guard who can play either guard spot. Now lets refer back to this last draft n trade deadline, we got the exact samething. A project in Seraphin, a tough,hard nosed, and athletic forward in Booker and then to top it off we get lucky and get Crawford, who was a combo guard coming ouf Xavier. Its no wonder Booker wrote “confused” on his twitter, what is that saying to him? But you good with that, no prob….

by Jay Evolution on Jun 26, 2011 9:00 PM EDT reply actions  

You're talking about the old Nick Young.

Dig thru the archives here. Rook did an article about his shooting around december or January if I recall.

a guy who can hover the three point line and when Jordan and John drive the lanes they will have a legitiment knock down shooter.

Nick Young is a career 38% three point shooter. He shot 39% last year. He doesn’t take stupid shots anymore. Oh yeah and he can slash too. That’s a good thing because he’ll be running the pick and roll next year in between running off screens and spotting up for threes. And he’s a good defender.

As far as me saying he’s getting defensive players now as opposed then speaks for itself. Why do we need a "culture change" now as opposed to then? Everyone in the league knows the Wizards are not a good defensive team and have known that again FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS!!!

You sound like you don’t want a culture change? Don’t you want a tough defensive team with high character high energy guys who compete every play? Isn’t that your biggest complaint? That’s my biggest complaint. We’re fixing it through the draft. I wonder how long its gonna take or if I should expect things to change overnight?

Get them that low post threat thats needed to win

Now see there, that’s something Jay Glassie would say. Do you know how hard it is to get that? Half the teams in the league (the bottom half) don’t have that. Every team wants that and could use more of that (except teams like Dallas and LA – they have the money to get that). Teams draft knuckleheads like Zach Randolph and Demarcus Cousins because they might be that.

 There weren’t any legit post threats left for us at #6.

no wonder Booker wrote "confused" on his twitter, what is that saying to him?

He wrote ‘confused’ because they asked him to prepare to be a small forward, but then they drafted two small forwards. Booker is a natural PF, who can play some at SF. The only natural SF on the roster was Rashard Lewis. There weren’t any legit post threats left so we took a small forward. And then the best defender in the draft fell to us at 18. Just so happens he’s a SF (who can play a little PF) too. We had to take him. You’re going to love him homie.

This franchise is under new ownership and is going in a different direction. No need to live in the past anymore homie.

by jones-y on Jun 26, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

rec'd

Also, the defending champion Mavericks don’t even have a true low post threat (And I assume he’s referring to offense). I also agree with the SF strategy. This draft sort of forced EG’s hand. Ideally, we’d had gotten a big or guard at 18 (Faried, Brooks, etc) but, it was almost impossible NOT to select Singleton at that point.

Vesely at 6 was also a no brainer because he was the best player available at that point (Kemba may be better now but we don’t need another point and Vesely has a much higher ceiling). Plus Wall and most people in the organization wanted him, which is enough for me.

I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB

by qthaballa on Jun 27, 2011 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Click 'reply' when replying, makes the conversation easier to follow
My man, Nick Young is a scorer in fact he was more of a slasher in college

1. Scorer does not preclude shooter 2. Slasher in college, the boy has grown

As far as the Crawford statement, it shows why need a true jump shooter
And if Im correct Jordan Crawford was a Combo guard coming out of Xavier, so that means he can run the point as he done in College as well since he’s been with the wizards.
This statement??
So I suggested drafting Klay Thompson, a guy who can hover the three point line and when Jordan and John drive the lanes they will have a legitiment knock down shooter. Again something we DON’T have!!
You say that like it’s a reasonable solution, a guarantee. I’m sure that’s what Miami thought they were buying with Mike Miller, ditto Chicago and Kyle Korver. It’s not as simple as you’re pretending. Plus, dude doesn’t exactly project to be an all-NBA defender.
Why do we need a "culture change" now as opposed to then?
1. Ownership 2. Gungate
THE LAST EIGHT YEARS!!! So thats where the blunder after blunder comes in
This statement is so fantastically uninformed I hardly know where to begin, so I’ll go for the easy and be done with it. Gilbert, Antawn, and Caron were blunders?
If you truly and honestly believe that those three players are going to take you somewhere than why not take what they don’t do namely play defense and rebound, and get them whats needed
I guess that’s what Brendan Haywood, Deshawn Stevenson, and Dominic McGuire were supposed to help with.
Get them that low post threat thats needed to win
Needed to win? No longer true.
he never makes the proper move
Are you ignoring the past year?
Now lets refer back to this last draft n trade deadline, we got the exact samething. A project in Seraphin, a tough,hard nosed, and athletic forward in Booker and then to top it off we get lucky and get Crawford, who was a combo guard coming ouf Xavier. Its no wonder Booker wrote "confused" on his twitter, what is that saying to him? But you good with that, no prob….
jones-y retorts just fine, for my taste.
Its like good linemen in football. throw draft picks at the position and see who sticks.
There will be blood. Booker never shys away from a challenge, he won’t shy away from this.

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jul 2, 2011 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I give up..

We can all agree to disagree, to me Grunfield is terrible and to you all he’s doing just fine. I respect everyone’s opinion and move forward because at this point the only opinion that matters is Ted’s. So we’ll watch as the season progresses and see the fruits of Ernie’s decisions and our ticket prices. Wiz 4 life!!!!!

by Jay Evolution on Jun 27, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Yeah Ernie's career is really in trouble now......
The Kevin Seraphin pick last year was terrible and anyone who knows basketball will tell you that.

Didn’t the Bulls make the pick at # 17 and didn’t we trade for him and get Kirk Hinrich and cash in exchange for draft rights to Vladimir Veremeenko and then we traded Hinrich and got Crawford? EG looks like a genius here.

The trade for Mike Miller and Randy Foye for a fifth pick two years ago was terrible. The actual belief that a team led by Jamison, Butler and Arenas would actually contend for a championship was terrible.

Admittedly but wasn’t it all really a “win-now” attempt for the benefit of a dying Abe?
Tonight’s pick of Jan Vesely signifies that this franchise will never succeed with him as General Manager.

Can I use your crystal ball for some stock market picks? I like Leonard too but we picked pretty much the best available talent it seems.
The wizards have a bunch players with no defined role

Like who?

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

by GeoFly on Jun 27, 2011 6:53 PM EDT reply actions  

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