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2011 NBA Mock Draft: Ranking Wizards Prospects With Three Days To Go

I'm sitting in an airport waiting for my flight back to D.C., where I'll spend about 15 hours before heading up to Newark and the 2011 NBA Draft. So while I'm here, a few scattered thoughts on where I'd rank the prospects in this draft, as they relate to the Wizards.  This list goes 20 deep.

1.  Derrick Williams: I'm on record saying I would trade JaVale McGee for him, and most of that is because of Williams' strengths rather than McGee's shortcomings.  I think Williams is the best player in this draft, and I'm not nearly as concerned about where he'll play.  The only thing preventing him from being a multiple-time all-star in this league is his defensive effort.  Offensively, he has all the tools as an isolation player and as a pick and roll finisher, though his athleticism isn't amazing (he's a two-foot jumper, and those can struggle to finish inside).  I sense he'll be highly productive offensively for anyone, and I think he'll be pretty consistently productive too.  I don't suspect there will be much of a learning curve on that end.  The question is defense, which I think will take a bit longer, but will also come around.

2.  Kyrie Irving: Because he has to be here.  But for the record: I'm not that blown away by him.  I think there's a chance, albeit less than 50 percent, that Brandon Knight ends up better in five years.

Star-divide

3.  Enes Kanter: Lots of people doubting him, but he's still a big man that wants to be a big man, which means a lot.  He's got great hands and phenomenal footwork inside, and I think that'll translate really well to the pros.  In that way, he reminds me a bit of Marcin Gortat, in that he'll catch and finish pretty much everything.  He'll be able to rebound for sure, and that immediately makes him valuable.  I suspect he'll hold up defensively, though that's going to take a bit longer.  Overall, he reminds me a bit of Marc Gasol, though without the passing skill.  My guess: he'll be a decent center, though probably not a star.

4.  Bismack Biyombo: I took him in the SBNation.com mock draft, and I should explain why I have him so high.  Of all the project internationals in this draft, I see the most upside with him.  His defense is already elite (2.3 blocks in 17 minutes in the ACB is insane), and he's a smart guy that should pick up the nuances of NBA defenses quickly.  His offense is awful, but as we discussed during the Finals, the role of the center in today's NBA is changing.  I realize the Wizards already have McGee, but bigs are meant to be collected, and Biyombo's defensive potential is too tantalizing to pass up for me.

(BIG DROP)

5.  Jan Vesely: I decided to elevate him over Chris Singleton and others because I liked reading about his abilities off the ball in this Draft Express article comparing the forward crop in different situational statistics.  He's not a great shooter or dribbler, but he somehow finds a way to score by moving and being in the right spot at the right time.

Not surprisingly, Vesely ranks amongst the most effective finishers off cuts (3rd), offensive rebounds (2nd), post-ups (3rd) and in transition (6th).

He was also able to draw free throws at the third highest rate (on 19.4% of his possessions) in this study, trailing just Derrick Williams and Jimmy Butler.

If Vesely can shore up his ball-handling and perimeter shooting ability, he has all the makings of an incredibly versatile player

Those may seem like huge areas to improve, but they're much less difficult than overall court sense.  I also think it's worth noting that Vesely has been a role player for one of the better teams in Europe for a few years now, and that's much more impressive to me than college basketball.  I don't care that James Gist is better than him.  If the Wizards draft Vesely, they're doing it so he can fill a similar role to the one he already fills on Partizan. It's not about a pecking order.

6.  Tristan Thompson: He's got almost no offense, but he's a phenomenal man-to-man defender and I think he can develop a 17-footer eventually.  Again, if we're thinking defense, I think we have to take a long look at Thompson.

7.  Markieff Morris: Kind of like Thompson, though I don't see as much defense.  His offensive skill seems to be much higher, and this team could always use more bigs.

8.  Chris Singleton: I still love his defensive potential, but his only skill now offensively is shooting threes, which is fine, but he lacks Vesely's court sense.

9.  Jonas Valanciunas: Just seemed like a big stiff when I watched him on tape.  He was beat to rebounds by quicker players, and he had trouble finishing inside.  He's big and still improving, which is rare, but he's also probably not coming over next season, and I don't really feel like sitting around and waiting on him when current buyout rules still only allow a team to pay $500,000 of the buyout.

10, 11, 12.  Brandon Knight, Kemba Walker, Jimmer Fredette: Not for this team.

13.  Kawhi Leonard: I've seen nothing from him that indicates he's actually all that athletic.  He's long and he plays hard, but I don't buy his reputation there.  And if he's not athletic, I'm not sure what's so great about him.

14.  Jimmy Butler: Profiled brilliantly here by Chad Ford.  He's an incredible story, and he can play too, as evidenced by his standing in Draft Express' situational stats.  One of my sleepers in this draft.  He earns the requisite "can do a little of everything" label, and in his case, I think it's good.  There are two types of "do-everything" players.  Some have no standout skills, and instead kind of float through games, doing a tiny bit, but making little impact with the plays they make.  These are the Marvin Williams-types.  The second type are guys who are capable of being dominant in many different categories, but retain value by knowing when to exert those skills at what time.  These are the Grant Hill circa 2011 types.  I think Butler is much more like a 2011 Hill than many in this draft after reading more about him, and I'd love him at 18.

15.  Klay Thompson: Solid player, versatile scorer that can shoot well off the pass.  A good pick if he lasts to 18. 

16.  Alec Burks: Wrong team, but I think he can play.

17.  Marcus Morris: I'm a little dubious about his size, since I'm not sure he can really play consistently as a 3.

18.  Kenneth Faried: People who rebound like him and play their ass off like him almost never fail in this league, but it's really hard to find a place for guys like him on the court unless he can learn how to shoot.  The little I saw of him against top-flight competition didn't exactly inspire much confidence on that front. 

19.  Nikola Vucevic: Big and productive in college.  Hard to find guys like that.

20.  Tobias Harris: He's got a crafty little offensive game, is young and rebounds, but he also can't shoot, and while I like his defense, he's not nearly as athletic or versatile as Chris Singleton.

OTHERS TO WATCH: Marshon Brooks (though I'm eh on him), Tyler Honeycutt, Nolan Smith, Charles Jenkins, Malcolm Lee

STAY AWAYS (to me): Jordan Hamilton, Justin Harper (he got swallowed up in the paint whenever I watched him, and I don't think he's quick enough to be a 3), Iman Shumpert (ultimate measurables guy whose on-court skills are poor), Darius Morris (too slow), Jeremy Tyler (only at 34, no higher)

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Didn't like his shot selection

And I don’t think he can do much else – his defensive intensity leaves a lot to be desired, and I don’t think he’ll be able to score inside of 10 feet in this league consistently.

by Mike Prada on Jun 20, 2011 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah his shot selection did seem pretty bad

Faried will probably be a very solid role player, which in this draft is very good I guess. He has like no star potential though.

by NewCavsfan on Jun 20, 2011 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree 110% on Biyombo. He’s also got the work ethic to develop his talent. If he could eventually get serviceable on offense, it would be worth his defensive ability.

I really hope we get Biyombo, whether at #6 or a part of another trade.

by 8vechkin on Jun 20, 2011 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

And I don’t think he’s similar to Seraphin. He’s much better right now defensively.

by 8vechkin on Jun 20, 2011 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Me too. If we're looking to fill a 9-man rotation that can compete for a championship

I think Biyombo would have a huge role to play on that team 3 or 4 years from now. Our greatest weakness is rebounding, specifically defensive rebounding, and he improves that area immediately. Down the road, he should become among the league’s best rebounders and shot blockers, a true impact player when he’s on the court.

And as we cultivate players who can create their own shot (Wall, Crawford, Young… Blatche?), Biyombo’s lack of an offensive game won’t be nearly the detriment that his other attributes are a benefit

by Max Zamphirescu on Jun 20, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Valanciunas is a better defensive rebounder than Biyombo.

If you prefer Biyombo, it should be because of his intangibles, his instinctive feel for team defensive positioning/rotations and his vocal nature as a “quarterback” of the defense.

by yop32 on Jun 21, 2011 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could you imagine

McGee and Biyombo trailing on the break with Wall pushing? wow!

by Wyler98 on Jun 21, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

derrick williams = overhyped

when was the last time we saw a player succeed in the NBA where nobody knew whether he was a three or a four? offensively, williams will struggle to finish against taller players and will struggle to blow by faster players.

by bmitch585 on Jun 20, 2011 6:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Thad Young.

TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol

by Krobify on Jun 20, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

thad young? clearly a 3. no doubt, obviously a 3.

sure, he may play some 4 in the league. but he’s built exactly like you want a 3 to be built, and moves just like you’d want a 3 to move.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

there is a question whether williams has the speed to play the 3.

nobody has ever questioned whether thad young has the speed to play the 3. he definitely has the speed to play the 3. he is also very long, so philly sometimes plays him at the 4. plus philly has a much deeper backcourt than frontcourt, with lou williams/meeks/iggy/holiday.

the fact that thad young played some at the 4 doesn’t make him a tweener. williams is a legit tweener, with serious questions about whether he’s fast enough to play the 3 and big enough to play the 4.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't understand the distinction

Thad went from being misused as a 3 to being one of the league’s best bench players as a small ball 4.

by Mike Prada on Jun 21, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

misused as a 3?

i disagree that young was misused as a 3, and i’d love to have him play the 3 for the wizards. like i said, philly is deeper in the backcourt. you want to put your best players on the floor. for philly, those players include holiday/iggy/lou williams/meeks. their frontcourt is weak. their best center last season was hawes, who isn’t one of their top seven guys. so when you have a weak frontcourt and a long 3, you might play him at the 4 so that you give your best guys minutes.

also, as far as “small ball 4s” are concerned, i can’t recall a small ball 4 ever playing for a contender. small ball 4s play for teams like don nelson’s warriors and rarely sniff postseason success. if young were a free agent, teams in need of a 4 would not be looking at him; teams in need of a 3 would be.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's a different NBA today

Rashard Lewis made the Finals and played for a contender. Dirk plays like a small ball 4. Chris Bosh kind of does too.

If teams get Thad to be a 3, they’re taking away a strength and turning it into a weakness.

by Mike Prada on Jun 21, 2011 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

bosh and dirk are very, very tall.

small ball says small. bosh and dirk are big. neither of those players is the least bit comparable to thaddeus young. not in stature or game.

rashard is a better comparison, but he still has more than a full inch over williams. and he played with the best defensive player in the league.

and the NBA hasn’t changed much. big teams still tend to win more than small teams.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

and my only point initially was that thaddeus young is not

a tweener. he’s just not. he has perfect size and athleticism for a 3. whether you would play him at the 4 is your prerogative.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does have the perfect size to play 3

But his ball handling is suspect. So is his jumper. That and the fact that he’s long and athletic enough to compete at the position makes him a four.

by jones-y on Jun 21, 2011 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he'll eventually more or less figure out the offensive side of the ball.

The problem is defensively and on the boards. The question is can he be good enough offensively to be successful as a one dimensional player? Or alternately, can he add something to his game?

by jones-y on Jun 20, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree that defense will be just as much, if not more of a problem

than offense. because like guys like jamison, the issue will be speed to guard 3s and size to guard 4s. the only big difference is that unlike jamison, williams has the strength to guard 4s. he’s a lot stronger than jamison. so i can see williams being able to guard 4s. rebounding is a good point though, though rodman was an undersized 4 who rebounded better than everybody through desire.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah but he's 6'8... How is he going to guard 6'11 PF's?

if he can’t and is also to slow, who is he gonna guard?! Offensively he is gonna meet some quicker, stronger and smarter players than he’s used to in college while jumping of two feet.

Not saying he isnt going to be a good player, but I’m still not sold on him becomming a star. Mind you, Beasly scored more AND rebounded better than Williams in college.

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 21, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

there are few 6' 11'' PFs in the league. will williams be able to guard pau

and KG? probably not, but those types of PFs are few and far between (blatche being among them). i just think that williams, due to his weight and strength, will be better off guarding 4s than 3s. i think of guys like rudy gay, lebron, melo, pierce, durant, and i can’t imagine williams being able to stay in front of any of them, or even making things difficult for them without fouling out very quickly.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Problem is that those few 6'-11" PFs are disproportionately distributed to the contenders

Now: Bosh, Nowitzki, KG, Duncan, Pau.
Future: Cousins, LaMarcus Aldridge, Greg Monroe, Dray (hopefully), plus who knows who

If Williams helps us in the regular season but hurts our chances of getting through to the Finals, do we still want him?

by yop32 on Jun 21, 2011 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bingo.

Not enough rebounding or defense for us. If we had a stout frontline to compensate for his deficiencies, then I’d be all for adding a potential one dimensional scorer to the mix.

by jones-y on Jun 21, 2011 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

yop32, i agree 100% and that was the point of my initial post.

i can’t recall a 3/4 tweener playing for a contender. if somebody can think of one, i’d love to know. i can think of jamison/beasley types who have had success scoring in the regular season, like you mention, but i can’t recall any of those types having postseason success.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

jamison is exactly who i think about. and jamison is/was/always will be

an awful defensive player, because he’s too slow to guard 3s and too small to guard 4s. so jamison was solid as a 6th man back in the day, and he can give you some instant offense off the bench, but you saw his shortcomings last year in the playoffs when KG scored on him whenever he wanted to.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

also, jamison's paint game is insane.

we’ve never seen anybody play the way he does around the basket. he’s got all those crazy scoop shots and deceptive moves. so offensively, it’s a tough comparison.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 7:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Overhyped

Or the next Carmelo!

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Jun 20, 2011 11:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

D Williams

1st step is just as good as Melo (if not better). I think D Williams will be just fine at the 3 with his overall length.

I compare D Will him directly with Melo. Melo is better offensively, but I think D Will is better defensively (and longer/bigger)

by Wyler98 on Jun 21, 2011 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

Trying to sell myself on to Vesely, because it just seems like it's inevitable that we're drafting him

How long might it take him to develop a consistent jump shot? What’s he going to look like in 3 years?

Could we go big with him, Blatche and McGee on the floor at the same time? Blatche plays more like a “3” anyway, moving to the perimeter, taking long jumpers — as Vesley cuts to the open space from outside.

Though I do like how Vesely’s usage rates are so low. Seems like we’ll be able to groom him to fit a role and hopefully compliment what Wall needs in a teammate

by Max Zamphirescu on Jun 20, 2011 6:39 PM EDT reply actions  

He's got great court sense, which helps make up for some of his offensive issues

I don’t know about JV/AB/JM at the same time though, that’s tricky.

I think NBA GMs feel they can teach shooting + dribbling, but that few have Vesely’s court sense, and that’s impossible to teach. I don’t know how right that is, but it’s a fair point to consider.

by Mike Prada on Jun 20, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Vesely is such a bad shooter

That I think a lot of teams think there’s no way he can’t improve. It really is difficult to shoot free throws that poorly.

I guess you could say that’s both praise and criticism.

by Scizzy on Jun 20, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopla

Im only for drafting Vesley if Dave Hopla is signed with him. The man did wonders on Haywood’s FT shooting

by jsuh0 on Jun 21, 2011 12:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

this season FT rate does suck

2010-2011 shooting 3pt 32% (32-100), FT 46.9% (120-256), 60 games
2009-2010 shooting 3pt 31.6% (31-98), FT 67.4% (155-230), 68 games
2008-2009 shooting 3pt 11.5% (3-26), FT 48.4% (31-64), 22 games

No idea why did his FT drop to his rookie level this season.

Source: http://www.eurobasket.com/player.asp?Cntry=Serbia&PlayerID=78508&Stats=2011

by vmr on Jun 21, 2011 1:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love vesely's size. i know a lot of people are comparing him to

kirilenko, and i think based on the youtube clips, the comparisons are justified. he’s got tremendous size for a 3 and looks like an instant contributor on the defensive end as far as blocking shots and getting in passing lanes.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 6:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like the Kirilenko comparison much

 Both 3’s, both tall, both European… Playingstyle though meh.

Vesely can’t shoot, cant dribble and has no real post game. A quick first step and he jums out of the gym like McGee. In fact, I see more McGee in him than AK47

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 21, 2011 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

i mean in the way they move and their body type. both super long and skinny.

kirilenko still struggles to shoot and dribble, and has no real post game. so i’m surprised you would note those things and say that’s where the players differ. i think that’s where they’re strikingly similar. kirilenko never takes his man off the dribble, and never posts up. most of his points come off broken plays/transition/rebounds/jerry sloan’s flex cut offense. he’s definitely not an isolation guy and not a guy who attempts pull-up jump shots. so i don’t follow your logic. and in case you forget, kirilenko’s hops were crazy.

by bmitch585 on Jun 21, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Question

Is Biyombo must-have if JVM for #2 goes through?

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 20, 2011 6:43 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice mention on Butler, btw

I’ve been wondering when he was going to get a mention after that Ford article

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 20, 2011 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shumpert ran the point decently at G-tech...and dude is a legit 6-6.

i dont think you can say he has no skills. You can’t average 17ppg in the ACC if your a scrub.

by tw10 on Jun 20, 2011 7:10 PM EDT reply actions  

agreed

and he averaged a ton of steals. Don’t know if thats the equivalent of McGee getting a ton of blocks…as in goes for them all the time. I liked his interview too and without Shakur maybe Shumpert could fill in nicely.

by DaGribb on Jun 20, 2011 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Darius Morris is a true point averaging 15 & 7 and plays good man D

Real floor general and is crafty getting to the rim. Not really great athletically and doesnt have killer range but in if this kid lands in the right situation, he could turn out to be a true sleeper and great vallue at # 34.

"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980

"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)

by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 7:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Ideal draft scenario if Irving goes #1

-Take Derrick Williams at #2 via Minnesota (acquired from dealing McGee)
-Biyombo at #6
-Klay Thompson, Alec Burks or Marcus Morris at #18
-Jeremy Tyler in second round

by zimz on Jun 20, 2011 8:02 PM EDT reply actions  

all three of those #18 guys will probably be going higher

Don’t think Burks makes it out of the top 10, Marcus Morris is the more highly rated of the twins,
Klay Thompson probably doesn’t make it past Phoenix…]

by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 20, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

imho Tyler will be a 1st rounder

it will be hard to draft Vucevik with Tyler’s vastly superior athleticism sitting there

by DCrez on Jun 20, 2011 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're right

Mostly wishful thinking on my part. But I’ll be happy with just netting Williams and Biyombo in the lottery, and taking whoever falls to us at 18. I think Wall & Williams could form a potent duo, and Biyombo could complement them well with his defense and dirty work

by zimz on Jun 20, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Charles Jenkins

assuming the fact he’s 22 turns some teams off him….but he can play, terrific shooter/scorer and a smart player

by DCrez on Jun 20, 2011 8:12 PM EDT reply actions  

There's another hugered flag about Derrick Williams besides defense.

Rebounding. He got out muscled by college sized big men at times.

IMO he’s a one-dimensional scoring forward, which means he’s not a key piece to a contender unless he’s an elite scorer playing on a front line that can cover for him defensively and on the glass. That also means that if he’s not an elite scorer in the NBA, then he could very well be a huge bust.

by jones-y on Jun 20, 2011 8:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Jimmy Butler's "situational" stats sound impressive

On the other hand, Singleton’s sound dreadful. From the DraftExpress article:

Chris Singleton is known as one of the best defenders in this draft class, but his offensive efficiency of .86 PPP leaves a lot to be desired, as it ranks 2nd worst in this group after Chris Wright.

Singleton’s mediocre ball-handling skills seem to be the main culprit here. He turns the ball over at a fairly high rate, (14.2% of possessions), which ranks him 6th in this group.
bq. He gets out in transition more than any prospect at 3 possessions per game, but ranks dead last in scoring efficiency in this category, at a dreadful .905 PPP.

by satchmore on Jun 20, 2011 8:18 PM EDT reply actions  

When you turn the ball over at a 14% clip, you'd better be good at defense

In fairness, the turnovers probably have a lot to do with the fast break offense they were running (long outlet passes).

by satchmore on Jun 20, 2011 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Plus

At Florida State, That was a very poor offensive team. Point Guards couldn’t penetrate. Shooting Guards couldn’t knock down shots… Singleton was relied upon to create shots and create offense for his team – and that does not work to his skills. He’s a low usage type player that was forced to become a high-usage, shot creator.

He’s a pretty good catch-and-shoot shooter. And with other high-usage players and shot creators like John Wall, Jordan Crawford, Nick Young and Andray Blatche – Singleton should fit right in….

He's "delightfully cranky"

I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.

by Rook6980 on Jun 21, 2011 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would consider Brandon Knight if available. I think He could. be complementary to JW. When Wall was on the the bench getting a breather

Knight could come in knock down a bunch of threes. It would be lights out. I’ll take either Enes Kanter or Knight if available. If you get Knight you got a smart guard who’s a scorer, whereas with Wall you got a fast guy who’s a passer. If they played togather Knight could be the person who actually sinks the ball from a pinpoint Wall pass. No one else seems to be able to. I’d take Knight and platoon him with JC at the SG,

by Janber on Jun 20, 2011 10:25 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

i disagree

everytime i watched kentucky play, knight missed everything. he is not an effecient scorer. i cant see where this is coming from.

by back_to_the_future on Jun 21, 2011 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Could anyone quickly say something about Kawhi Leonard, what he's good at, and how he fits in with the Wizards?

I need it for my SBNation First Round Mock Draft post (you guys voted for Leonard), and I couldn’t find any one great, detailed comment with each of those three aspects.

by KGMN on Jun 20, 2011 10:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Leonard

Would fit the biggest “need” of the team. I put need in quotes cause I think the Wizards really need everything but a PG. But they have at least something at every other position besides SF (unless you count he decaying corpse that is Rashard Lewis).

Pros: long, athletic, big hands (does not smell like cabbage), hustler

Cons: can’t shoot

People look at Leonard as a guy that could develop into a good defensive player. His offensive game remains a “work in progress”

by Rooper on Jun 20, 2011 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also crucial

Pro: rebounding

I have no good signature ideas.

by Juice over Whine on Jun 20, 2011 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe late but

If I had to say one thing that would sum up the Wiz picking Leonard, it would be to continue the whole culture change that our front office is pushing for. Kawai is known as tough, and scrappy, and a doing the dirty work type of player. He takes care of the little things and not so much about putting the ball in the basket or making highlight reels.

Not to mention, the biggest hole on our roster is at his position, SF, and he is really the best pure, NBA-ready, SF available in this draft. He’s a solid rebounded for his position, and we are a weak rebounding team. And he is supposed to be a great defender, something this team is very bad bad at. So he brings two things that the Wizards need, rebounding and defense, to the weakest position on our roster, SF.

Ohhh my God.

Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!

by returnofswagger on Jun 20, 2011 11:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Not late

I think I’ll take this for my final post on Ridiculous Upside, if that’s okay with you.

by KGMN on Jun 21, 2011 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

He came in as a decent offensive player.

His SR year he averaged over 23 pts on 59% shooting, 57% from 3pt, 72% from the line. And 3 steals, 10 boards, 4.3 assists per game.

by MR on Jun 21, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bismark Biyombo=Ben Wallace!

Even without an offensive game, with his body, wingspan and defensive presence, he’s Ben
Wallace out of the gate. A team could do a lot worse. I think Jimmer Fredette is going to
be a Gilbert Arenas-like scorer. His shot is so great! His range is incredible. Just needs a team that needs what he brings. Marcus Morris will get buckets! He’s Al Harrington Light and has a place in the NBA. Agreed on Valanciunas. He may develop into a little somethin’ or other, but with his frame, I don’t see him as NBA ready, and seriously, what’s his ceiling? People are gushing over him like he’s David Robinson light!!

by Herb Harris on Jun 20, 2011 11:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Valanciunas at 9?!

You may have seen him get beat to rebounds, but the fact is that overall he was absolutely dominant on the boards. I think his per36 stats were 18 pts and 17 reb on 70% shooting. He was incredible

by zl on Jun 20, 2011 11:07 PM EDT reply actions  

He also committed over eight fouls per 40 minutes

So his per-36 stats aren’t nearly as meaningful, since he’ll never stay on the floor.

by Mike Prada on Jun 21, 2011 12:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

How "meaningful" are stats regarding Euro fouls?

Fouls seem the most subjective, league-dependent of stats. The basket can be the same height, the 3-point line can be the same distance from the rim. But a foul in the Euro league is not necessarily the same as a foul in the NBA.

by satchmore on Jun 21, 2011 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

A more quantifiable point.....

is that he led the Euroleague in total rebounding percentage at 22.7% (and TS% too).

http://www.in-the-game.org/?page_id=9936

by Hoopalotta on Jun 21, 2011 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

His team only wanted him to play 15 minutes per game anyway

So that foul rate may have been on purpose. 3.1 fouls per game, so it’s not like he was fouling out every other game, leaving his team without options at C.

When he plays in junior tournaments and is a focal point of the team, his foul rate doesn’t seem to be a problem.

by yop32 on Jun 21, 2011 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

One rival executive is "almost positive" the Wizards will take Kanter with the sixth pick, or look to trade down.

Per Ken Berger:

One rival executive is “almost positive” the Wizards will take Kanter with the sixth pick, or look to trade down. Washington would grab Biyombo with the 18th pick if he’s still available, and otherwise would be comfortable with Kenneth Faried.

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/11838893/30162715

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 20, 2011 11:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Portland?

They were rumored to be interested in Kemba….maybe that’s too high up but I did read that there were at least a couple of teams that were interested in moving up

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 20, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’ll be hard for Portland to trade up- they have the 21st pick in the draft and I doubt we’d be looking to move down that much. I wonder what else they would throw in to sweeten the deal- potentially a pick in next year’s potentially loaded draft?

by 8vechkin on Jun 21, 2011 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anyone who wants Jimmer.

I know the 6 is high for Jimmer, but a lot of teams are high on him. I am sure there are packages out there with teams that want to move ahead of the Jazz (like the Knicks with my previously described "maybe we can get Landry Fields" scenario). We’re probably undervaluing the pick though, because any trade partner will want to look at it like a #10 or #11 pick (which would be necessary to jump the Jazz at #12), not a #6 pick. I doubt we get something more valuable than Kawhi Leonard or Tristan Thompson. But we should be on the phones.

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by Juice over Whine on Jun 21, 2011 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jimmer, Kemba, Leonard, Vesely, Valanciunas, Tristan T...

As they say in real estate and Russian roulette, It only takes one.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 21, 2011 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps we’d try to trade down a few slots to get Biyombo and nab Faried later?

by 8vechkin on Jun 20, 2011 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sounds good

But that would be ALL defense, not directly addressing our scoring issues at all…wouldn’t be the worst thing though I guess

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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 20, 2011 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

wow, no thanks

Bismack and Faried? Lets get players who are valuable at both ends. A 6’9 center with no offense and a 6’6 PF with little offense, thats an overreaction to our defensive problems.

by Jheiser3 on Jun 21, 2011 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

plus that sounds a lot like Seraphin and Booker...

…though those guys have slightly more offense and less defense.

by Kenny Sky Walker on Jun 21, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

good stuff but

1.- I think Williams will be just like Beasley. Moments of brillance offensively but a whole lotta struggles with the size of 4’s and quicks of 3’s an athletic jamison type David West type just not that impressed at all.

2, Kanter just doesn’t seem like a player with much upside or star potential just another big guy Pachulia is who I see when I look at him.

players I’m not convinced on

Leonard-reminds me of Dominque Mcgwire.
Tristan Thompson- dude does nothing well just an athlete

all of the Euro’s aside from Vsessley why because he has fire in the belly he likes dunking on dudes he has some grit and dudes with his sorta fluid athletiism that don’t mind grinding and going hard with grit sorta find a way. I’d bet he can help us now being an athlete sorta savy guy who can get in the lane get some paint scorers and run the floor and play with enthusiasm passion is a very underrated aspect to analsysis I tend to favor dudes who have it.

Biyombo I think will be a defensive stud and ridiculously foul prone. can we use him for short bursts when we play he and mcgee together or if he backs up Mcgeee surely. But another passionate effort guy will find a way and could end up like ben Wallace.

I think we’re gonna be mad we did draft these guys, klay Thomson great shooter, enough junk in his game to be a real scorer and contributor from jump, Burks will be great creating his own shot will be 15+ right out the gate and have teams kicking themselves for not getting him, Walker same thing will be a spurt scorers deluxe and make teams think damn we coulda had him, and Singleton I think he’ll be so good on defense we may regret not snagging him once we see how disruptive he is on the floor.

by jazzy1 on Jun 20, 2011 11:35 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't like Vesley, but in the interests of completeness....

There was an article with some word on his defensive Synergy stats:

According to Synergy Sports, Jan performed very well in iso possessions, where he held his opponents to 36.4% shooting and a third of the iso possessions end in a turnover. Shows good balance and footwork on the perimeter. Great agility for guy his size, keeps his feet underneath his hips well.

His post-up defense graded out just as well—held his opponents to 26.7% shooting. Though, Vesely will need to add a few lbs. to his frame to better guard post-ups in the NBA.

http://thepaintedarea.blogspot.com/2011/06/2011-international-draft-prospect_17.html

So, there’s that in addition to the mixed bag that was the DX offensive information.

I am not an advocate, but I figured more information couldn’t hurt.

by Hoopalotta on Jun 21, 2011 2:21 AM EDT reply actions  

Interesting

I wonder whether he might be a Nick Young or Jared Jeffries type of defender where you watch him and aren’t impressed, but his crazy long arms make him more effective than you realize.

by disgrunted on Jun 21, 2011 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really like the Jared Jeffries comparison

I watched some Jeffries highlights again and his game I think is definitely similar and both have similar builds. I was happy with the way Jeffries played for the Wiz and would be happy if Vesely was the next coming of him.

by DaGribb on Jun 21, 2011 8:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Vesely has the lowest usage rate of the forwards reviewed

but one of the highest TO rates at 15%. Buyer beware.

by DCrez on Jun 21, 2011 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally off topic

But can I just say that BF is the greatest website in the history of the Internet? Seriously… I’ve been hopping around SB Nation blogs to check people’s draft opinions and no one else has fostered such a vibrant and insightful community. I’m so thankful to have this website in times like this, and will be even more thankful Thursday night that I’ve been slightly pacified on Vesely due to this thread.

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by Juice over Whine on Jun 21, 2011 8:51 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

Does anybody have any details on Vesely's workout?

It happened yesterday, but basically nothing has leaked.

Jonathan Givony published his new mock on Yahoo! today and has us taking Vesely (please NO!) This is what he had to say about the pick.

Vesely had an average workout in New Jersey on Sunday in front of Wizards brass. He was coming right off the plane after having his flight delayed from Europe. This was a tough situation from his perspective, as he’s not considered an overly skilled prospect. Nevertheless, he measured out well (6-11 barefoot) and was able to show the athleticism that makes him such a coveted prospect. The Wizards are reportedly still high on his talents, especially if Enes Kanter is off the board. He would make an excellent running partner for John Wall.

Still don’t want him though.

by iNFaMOUS SwaGG on Jun 21, 2011 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Haha

The more I learn about this draft the less I know.

by Wieters Wieners on Jun 21, 2011 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

here is an excellent scouting report on him

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/draft/players/1831123/jan-vesely

Scouting Report

Positives: Vesely plays within the team concept, making him a nice fit as a combo forward once his game matures fully … Has to improve his core strength, but shows good court quickness for a player his size, along with big hands, long reach and a large wing span to potentially alter shots (once he improves his leaping ability and timing when elevating) … More comfortable scoring around the basket and has success on putbacks and broken plays … Still better with his inside game, but has shown marked improvement as a perimeter shooter the last two years (made just 14.7 percent of his treys two years ago, but after working on a higher and quicker release point, those numbers improved to 31.6 percent in 2009-10 and 31.3 percent in 2010-11) … All-out hustler who has become a crowd favorite for the way he hustles after loose balls and takes charges … Knows how to use his size to his advantage vs. other small forwards, as he can dominate those men with his improved low post game (has made 66.85 percent of his field goals from around the basket, compared to 29.6 percent from the perimeter) … His low post skills have resulted in success scoring in transition and also shows good “hops” on his dunks) … His higher release has resulted in a much more fluid follow-through and his large hands have also been beneficial scoring on catch-and-shoot situations … Might get bounced out of the paint when trying to establish his position vs. NBA big men, but has good lateral quickness and stays low in his stance … Looks comfortable moving without the ball and has a smooth, quick release when handling assignments in transition … Efficient slasher with very good lateral agility, getting down the court on the fast break … Agile for a player his size with good court awareness, especially when working with a point guard on pick-and-roll plays … Has just an adequate vertical leap, but his length leads to blocked shots against perimeter players … Can go above the rim to secure the rebound, but is not good at pushing the opponent out around the paint … Still a work in progress, but showed a better understanding of post offense and is developing a decent touch from six to eight feet from the basket … Best when playing close to the basket and shows good coordination … Gets many of his rebounds on second and third effort (would still like to see more aggression is his game when trying to establish position in the paint) … Not a classic banger, but has the quickness to stay with small forwards … His long wingspan is an asset; is developing a half hook shot.

Negatives: His athleticism and potential are worthy of lottery consideration, but financials might be a roadblock — Vesely is under contract to Partizan until 2013 and an NBA team must be confident it can buy out his deal before using an early first-round pick to acquire him … Lacks the core strength to withstand the rigors of an NBA schedule and could be more inviting for a team to use a mid-first-round pick on him, with intentions of keeping him in Europe for another season … If his NBA arrival is sooner rather than later, he’s best served on a team featuring depth. At present, he’s a role player who’d benefit from brief spurts of minutes at both forward spots … Must improve his shooting mechanics from the free throw line, as he is one of the worst performers from the “charity stripe” in this draft (made just 55.4 percent of his free throws during his career and is down to just 47.5 percent this season) … As stated, his core strength is marginal, perhaps the reason for his lack of a “back to the basket” skill game, and even at 240 pounds, his frame looks frail (poor muscle definition) … Not too creative off the dribble and is turnover prone when he tries to keep the ball on the floor for more than a few bounces … Despite his long reach and big wing span, he is not an efficient rebounder (3.49 rebounds per game for his career) and has to develop better aggression under the boards and establishing position underneath (very hesitant operating on the block, failing to prevent the centers and power forwards from pushing him around at will) … Gets bounced out of the paint often by the more physical big men and seems slow of foot when he has to move out on the perimeter to defend … Lacks a strong offensive game, getting most of his points on put-backs and broken plays … Marginal passer, as he seems to lack vision, especially when trying the kick the ball out vs. a pressure defense … Predictable shooter who favors his left side too much and when forced to fade back, he gets off-balance attempting a mid-range jumper.

Compares To: TONI KUKOC, ex-NBA — An NBA team could be rewarded for its patience if willing to wait for Vesely’s game to develop in the Euro Leagues for another year. Like Kukoc, he might be better served coming off the bench as a combo forward. Both his offensive skills and defensive game are still developing and will be greatly enhanced when he adds needed core strength. He is a big, mobile and quick player with nimble feet who just needs great coaching to unearth his hidden talents.

by jasonj on Jun 21, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

this guy sounds like he will make our offense very diverse.

just imagine him at SF with his cutting abilities and running pick and roll with wall with lewis at the 4 camping at the 3 point line and of course McGee lurking around the basket for the lob. He makes our front court VERY flexible IMO and thats not bad at all. BUT i do think he will struggle defending 3s his 1st year but will get better with time(also his shooting). Plus Young Sushi wants him on board so im with it. So if not Kanter, i wouldnt mind seeing Vesely in a wiz uni.

by CantWait90 on Jun 21, 2011 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Pretty much a full ist

-Tristan Thompson reminds me of Booker in terms of offensive rebounds and slightly with defensive ability.

-Marshawn Brooks (pending Nick Young’s situation), Chris Singleton and Tobias Harris are much higher in my pecking order.

-Brandon Knight>Kyrie Irving, before long, if not already

-Valanciunas looks big and stiff and I would like for Washington to avoid him entirely, I’d rather Vesely who I’m warming up to.

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by qthaballa on Jun 21, 2011 11:50 PM EDT reply actions  

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