Wizards pick up options on 4 Rookies, extend Qualifying Offers to 4 more
From Michael Lee:
The Wizards have picked up the third-year options on rookies John Wall, Jordan Crawford, Trevor Booker and Kevin Seraphin. They also extended qualifying offers for restricted free agents Nick Young, Hamady Ndiaye, Othyus Jeffers and Larry Owens.
Picking up the options on the 4 rookies is just a formality.... and extending QA's to Nick Young and Hamady Ndiaye is not a big surprise either...
But kudos to Othyus Jeffers and Larry Owens - who both deserve a shot at making the team this year.
Is anyone surprised that the Wizards haven't extended a qualifying offer to Yi?
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Jeffers and Owens are my favorite players
by believe_the_curse on Jun 18, 2011 9:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
and rec'd
I know you’re out there, imperialme…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 9:58 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
What!? No Yi!?!
Who am I going to pick to hate irrationally all season? Can we resign Laettner?
Please welcome to the newest addition to the coaching staff, big man specialist...
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't kid
That’s the kind of thing 25 years as a Bullets fan has gotten me accustomed to….
In a political town called DC
we are quick to find a scapegoat for everything. So it’s in our culture anyway.
Spoke too soon
By picking up the qualifying offers for Young, Ndiaye, Jeffers and Owens, the Wizards now have first right of refusal on any deals that they sign this summer — if the rules regarding restricted free agents remain relatively intact, whenever a new collective bargaining agreement is ratified.
So does it guarantee a full season contract and/or roster spot? Or could all three—N’Diaye, Owens, Jeffers—be cut by end of training camp for a partially guaranteed pittance?
I would hope we still have some flexibility because having 14 roster spots locked in would seem to hamstring our trade/acquisition efforts in the draft.
by Emmet O'Neal on Jun 19, 2011 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I believe it are offers for the league minimum
If another team signs them an offersheet (for more than the QO) the Wiz have the option to match. If no team offers them anything, they are automatically signed for the QO. They can be cut just like players who are signed and invited for training camp I believe.
If I’m wrong here, please correct
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions
O and this doesn't hamstring our roster spots cause they cannot be signed yet
They can be signed during the FA period which starts after a new CBA is signed
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 6:13 AM EDT up reply actions
H and Owens are guaranteed a spot on the roster at the minimum.
If no other team offers them a contract then they will be a Washington Wizard this coming season.
by jmpalomo on Jun 19, 2011 8:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
A player can elect to accept his qualifying offer and play the following season under its terms.
To summarize, a restricted free agent essentially has three options:
- He can accept his prior team’s qualifying offer, play for one season, and become a free agent again the following summer.
- He can sign an offer sheet with another team, which his prior team is given the opportunity to match.
- He can negotiate a new contract with his prior team that is independent of the qualifying offer or maximum qualifying offer.
So it’s my interpretation that, unless another team signs them to an offer sheet, all of those players that the Wizards extended a qualifying offer to will be playing with the Wizards this year.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
But can they still be cut after Training Camp?
Tnx for the update btw.
Typically, an NBA team goes into TC with 15 to 20 players right? And then during or after the pre-season, they cut players and their contracts don’t count against the cap.
Can Owens and NDiaye for example be cut in that way or are they guaranteed contracts that count against the cap?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Once the Wizards submit a qualifying offer – and that player accepts the offer… they are on the Roster, and their contract is guaranteed…
Obviously, they can still be cut – but their salary would still be paid in full, and would count against the Salary Cap…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If they decided to, could they sign before current CBA expires?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 19, 2011 10:04 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Utah trade
So if Ernie traded 6+18 for 3+12+Okur we would be at 15 roster spots & unable to sign anyone else other than 3+12+34 picks until/unless Young, Owens, Jeffers, or N’Diaye signed with another team, right?
by Emmet O'Neal on Jun 19, 2011 10:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If that is true, I don't understand why Ernie did it
Dudes like Jeffers, Owens and NDiaye are not worth limiting our options on draft night… They could be signed to ungaruanteed contracts going into trainingcamp right?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 2:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Larry Owens?!? Who?!?
Did this guy really do enough in 4-5 games to warrant a qa?!?
I’m concerned that it appears the team is again trying to fill out the roster with cheap players instead of spending money on solid vets.
At least they let Shakur walk. Thank you Ernest.
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by averagebro on Jun 18, 2011 10:48 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
As I read the text quoted above..
They reserved the ability to match any offers, that’s all. They haven’t committed to keeping any of those four. If anything, this seems like less of a commitment to any player, and more of an effort to restrict their movement, which in turn creates a potential bargaining tool when dealing with other teams.
I'm not one with in-depth knowledge of the CBA...
… but I believe any of those players can sign the qualifying offer and be part of the team. For a guy like Nick Young, I’m sure he wants way more than a QO (i.e. a long term deal). For Owens, a QO is probably for minimal salary, but its there for him. Of course the team could always cut him for minimal expense.
Absolute Larry Owens!
He showed he can play lockdown D and he has a nice mid-range jumper. Guys like him and Jeffers push everybody else to become better players. Flip calls them “the junkyard dogs”— love those guys!
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
Disagree on Keeping Owens
O was impressive, but I did not think much of Owens. Furthermore, we are adding 3 players in the draft potentially who should come ahead of Owens, so I can’t see him on the team next season.
Yi does not surprise me, he did nothing to show much upside or value to this team. We need to make probably at least 2 roster spots for draft picks, so he should go.
Owens
Is an insurance policy, a guy who will go hard in practice and plays hard and he is familiar with the system. If he doesn’t play, that would mean good things for the season, but if the injury bug bites, the team will be alright instead of scrambling.
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
I'm not surprised about Yi
I always knew my heart would get broken.
Not surprised on Yi
Seraphin – hmm. I am not sold on him at ALL. At this point I’ll be happy if he’s good enough to play 15 minutes a game in 2 years.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 18, 2011 11:53 PM EDT reply actions
Even of he ends up as our long term rebounding defensive bruiser (and he is a real bruiser)
Than he wasnt a bad pick
Good point,
but I think his play suffered from an offseason lost to injury and the resultant lack of conditioning and rustiness. Not to mention the fact that he tried to put on weight (which the Wiz asked him to do) the wrong way. Not to mention the fact that he’s a rookie. Not to mention the language barrier. I expect him to be MUCH improved next year.
by jones-y on Jun 19, 2011 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
rec'd
And it sounds like he’s pretty much on track so far:
http://www.nba.com/wizards/news/1on1_with_kevin_seraphin_061311.html
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
by qthaballa on Jun 19, 2011 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
3rd year big man getting 15 solid minutes
I’d love for Kevin to be playing 15 minutes a game in two years. We did not pick him to be KG, but to be that banger off the bench with a nice touch… oooohhhh.
crush our enimies, see them driven before us, and hear the lamentations of their women!
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If we didn’t pick up the option, he’d be gone after next year. While right now he’s not fantastic, his potential is why we picked him at #17. We have to pick up the option to give us more time to develop his talent.
I don't disagree
2 years is not enough time, and picking up a 3rd year isn’t that risky. Personally, I think his development is going to be slow, even if he turns out to be a solid player at some point.
Getting buckets since 2003.
by Icantfeelmyface on Jun 20, 2011 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kind of quick to fill roster spots
Not sure about the wisdom of offers to both Hamady and Owens. I don’t think either will ever be a particularly useful NBA player, and I highly doubt any other team has interest in them, so they’ll be here at the minimum. Those, with the three draft picks, fill 14 roster spots. Are we about to trade?
I actually am slightly shocked that Hamady is getting another year. He was truly terrible, and is 24 years old. We’d have been better off signing some undrafted guy and giving him a chance. I’m glad we’re not resigning Yi.
Larry Owens is the only shocker for me
He at least played hard though so I have no huge problem with the offer.
How do these offers work though? Are there numbers involved? Or is this just like a first in the wait list type of thing when the contract negotiations begin?
I'm not going to think of something extra witty or clever to say, I don't want to convince you to see things my way, I just have 2 words for you: JEREMY LAMB
Likely minimal salary
and a bit of short term insurance should NY walk. That’s all. Likely can cut him with minimal impact.
by DavidDunn on Jun 19, 2011 12:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Yi was an absolute FORCE! Have you seen him play against those chairs???
This is up there with letting go of Big Ben, Webber, ’Sheed…
by tw10 on Jun 19, 2011 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Bye Bye Yi
The ratings from China were nice, but do we really give a s****? Can a brotha get a big man coach?! For the love of GOD. Big man coach and a training staff, a team chef, life coach, investment dude. Lets grow these young rich minds Man! (in the vioce of Bill Walton).
Long live Grown Ass Man.
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this means they actually have to sign Young
if he doesn’t get another offer, right? And he might not, $3.7 million might be a little high for his services.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jun 19, 2011 11:40 AM EDT reply actions
$ 3.7 is to much eh.... Well then, you are in for a surprise!
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Agree... I think Nick is on a LOT of shopping lists...
Starting with the Bulls!
The Bulls would kill to get Nick Young
They need a scoring 2 who can create off the dribble and create his own shot…Rose and Young would be a dynamite back court. Of course, so is Wall and Young.
by Marine4Life51 on Jun 19, 2011 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
And I think he actually deserves it too
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
None of these players deserve what they are making
It is a game after all……………..
But comparatively, to the rest of the NBA, I say he ends up with an 8 mil/year deal.
True
But don’t forget, we, the fans are making the market.
On NY making $8million, possibly, but I don’t know if Ernie would match such an offer.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess: $8 million a year for 5 years- Minimum
I could see it go as high as 9.5 million per year
by jmpalomo on Jun 19, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
new cba won't allow 5 yr deals, my guess 4 max (or three with team option for 4)
4 yrs at $32 mil should be Nick’s range in the brave new world of NBA.
If we see the Wizards draft Marshon Brooks at 18 that would send a signal that Nick will be going to the highest bidder. If not, then, we should expect EG to match any reasonable 4-year deal. I believe the Wizards want to keep him as he complements Wall nicely and makes a fine three-man backcourt rotation with JC getting his minues in relief at both positions.
Agreed
Brooks is intruiging though and would make Crawford the default starter.
4yrs/$25 would be my max for Nick i guess.
I think front loaded 4 yr max deals would reduce the risk for owners significantly btw
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
4yrs/25mil
I think is most people’s ideal area for his new contract. I think he’ll command more than that and will be upset if he is let go. But I’m also against overpaying (Young does a lot of watching sometimes on the court i.e rebounds, hustle plays).
I honestly believe Marshawn Brooks has at least All-Star potential and if he is around at 18 the Wiz should select him.
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Too High
I really doubt that guys like NY are going to get $40 million guaranteed contracts after a new CBA. I think his upper range is likely closer to 4 years $25 million.
I agree, though....
…It could be even less than that depending where the new CBA puts the 2012 cap line.
Right now $6.25 million a year would be about 11% of a team’s annual budget and that might be about right. But will the cap be $58 million on the other side of the negotiations or will it be lower? $6.25 million might be a much bigger piece of the pie soon. And how many teams have short term money combined with the ability to make the numbers work going forward? Team’s will be skittish if there’s anything approximating a hard cap coming in.
Basically, it looks like Nick’s becoming a free agent at the absolute worst possible time for his own interests. There’s a lot of guys on the market and there won’t be that much money to go around unless a super-amnesty reorders things.
If anything the cap will go up
If there is a hardcap installed, it will be significantly higher than $58m Teams like the lakers or Mavs are closing in on $100m with their payroll. They would have to waive Gasol and Kobe just to get under the cap, that’s not gonna happen.
I think a hardcap will be installed at around $75m with amnesty rules and exceptions to teams currently over that number.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Exactly....
with the hard cap set at somewhere slightly south of the current Luxury tax line ( $69.92 million)…. and an amnesty clause… That would allow teams like Dallas and LA time to get under the hard cap.
And I believe the hard cap will also decline over several years.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I think that will likely happen too rook
with a hard cap that declines over several years, along with rollbacks, etc. But that’s assuming we have no lockout…….
do you follow the NFL at all Dutch?
there is a hard cap, but the team from DC spends virtually as much as they want every season. Never is there a player the Redskins cant manage to sign to a contract far higher than their worth. Point being…I suspect even with a hard cap in place teams will be able to spend plenty if they want to through various amnesty clauses, restructuring deals, etc etc. There are owners like the Dolans and Cubans who dont mind spending, and they will not give up the competitive advantage they enjoy in that regard
But in the NFL
You can cut a guy, and his salary is no longer counted….so you can make room for the latest, greatest FA signing…. You can’t do that in the NBA.
In the NFL, you can go to a player and tell them you want to “restructure” their contract – you can’t do that in the NBA.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
You will be able to do those things (or some of them) under new CBA
The owners want non-guaranteed deals….which would likely lead to the same NFL scenario in which players restructure to guarantee themselves more money and lower that year’s CAP for the club to sign someone else. My guess at least
I don't think the players are going to give up guaranteed deals.
Personally I think they are the bane of the sport, but I don’t see them going away. We’d lose a year of NBA before that happened.
The owners have been willing to make the contracts guaranteed to at least some degree
I would imagine the Gilbert Arenas clause will also be added in too as a player “concession”.
@DCrez
No
Outside of the NBA I don’t like other American sports much. Besides basketball I follow soccer (my Ajax season tickets are golden!!) and F1.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
That seems a bit out there as a projection....
While there’s some teams with a mammoth payroll, a cap line “significantly higher” than $58 million would not really reconcile the owners core point of wanting to shave some hundreds of millions off of total salary expenditures.
The initial proposal the NBA made during All-Star Weekend in 2010 would have reduced player contracts in length and eliminated guarantees, to the point where owners would recoup $700 million off the top of revenues before the rest was split with the players, creating a system that would have essentially given owners 61 percent of revenues, with players getting the remaining 39 percent. Stern said on Friday that both sides have come off of those initial positions, but the owners still want a major BRI shift in their favor and are holding firm.
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/features/david_aldridge/06/20/morning-tip-labor-breakdown/index.html
I’d suspect that, all said and done, the big picture compromise works to where the players are giving up about $300-to-400 million. It’s going to be hard to bring anything up in that context and teams will have to plan spending out well ahead if there’s an honest to goodness hard cap (though I’m thinking there’s probably some sort of a give on the bird rights, at least to an extent; ie. I doubt it’s “100% HARD!” but rather “kinda hard, wink-wink”).
To me, the likelihood is then that there is not a grand flux of teams with both short and long term flexibility in relation to the glut of wings, swings and perimeter forwards available in the next signing period.
There’s also about three 2-guards looking to get taken in the top 15-20 range.
To back that up further....
….we can engage in wonky math based on the following 2010 salary numbers:
http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
By my admittedly lazy and haphazard calculations in averaging out the total expenditures, in aggregate, each team this past year was over the $58 million dollar cap by an average of $9.5 million. That is, The Lakers were $33.5 million over and the Kings were $14 million under and in compiling the whole thing, you’re at $285 million over divided by 30 teams which means $9.5 million per head or average payrolls of just over $67 million.
So, by these numbers – however dicey and informal they are – the players giving up $300 million would have the cap down to $57.5 million (though presumably revenue was up, so maybe a bit higher based on that). Giving up $400 million would have the cap down to about $54 million per team.
It would be better to calculate that based on more solid BRI numbers, but, well….that sounds like a big pain in the can and the results would probably be similar anyway.
Then, factor in that you’ve got Jason Richardson, Marcus Thornton, Vince Carter, Arron Afflalo, Wilson Chandler and a whole host of bigger swingers and small forwards available.
So, end of story, I don’t think Nick is looking at a huge payday.
Haha all that to say Nick isnt getting to much
Great points of view though. Apreciate it
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 21, 2011 6:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Yi has shown flashes of why he's a legitimate NBA player
But that’s just made the experience that much worse. He may someday turn into a decent role player, but he’s years away.
Have to get the hands to match first though
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YI decision is NOT final
The Wiz have until June 30 to offer Yi qualifying offer as Nick and others
by jmpalomo on Jun 19, 2011 7:50 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I just see no way that they risk it and he signs and we’d hv to pay him $5M next year
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 19, 2011 10:07 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If we don’t make the qualifying offer, we can still sign Yi right? Just would not have right to match offers. If no offers from other teams, we could get him back for less than q.o. Maybe even as little as vet min. Hope not.
by Emmet O'Neal on Jun 20, 2011 1:16 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
On July 1, Yi becomes an unrestricted Free Agent.
And any team (including the Wizards) can sign him…. for as little as the vet minimum.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
So the Wizards likely would have done the same thing (declining to pay him 5.5 million) even if they want to bring him back next season, right?
by Emmet O'Neal on Jun 20, 2011 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes
If the Wizard design the ad revenue from having Yi on the team is worth giving him the 15th spot on the team, they could give him a veterans minimum contract. I don’t think it’ll happen, but it’s not completely impossible as a business decision.
Guaranteed profit is kind of hard to pass up
I think Yi might be willing to sign for less to stay with the Wizards, too.
I don’t know if he really cares too much about his NBA salary. Even before he pays U.S. taxes, a big chunk of his paycheck goes straight to his old team in China and to the Chinese government. His take home pay from his NBA salary might be only 20-25%.
I think his primary aim is to just become the best player he can be. He’s playing for national pride and to develop his skills so he can lead the Chinese national team in the Olympics and World Championships.
Continuity would be beneficial for his development. In four years, he’s had four different head coaches (five, if you count the two games with an interim coach after Lawrence Frank was fired). I think he’d be willing to re-sign with us for less in order to have the chance to actually get comfortable in a system. The kid has some skills. I, for one, would like to see how he looks when he’s not looking lost.
Yes - but now it becomes a Roster issue...
UNDER CONTRACT:
1. John Wall
2. Jordan Crawford
3. Andray Blatche
4. Rashard Lewis
5. JaVale McGee
6. Trevor Booker
7. Kevin Seraphin
QUALIFYING OFFERS:
8. Larry Owens
9. Hamady Ndiaye
10. Nick Young
11. Othyus Jeffers
DRAFT PICKS:
12. Draft pick # 6
13. Draft pick #18
14. Draft pick #34
That’s 14 roster spots…. and I believe the Wizards will go into the season with ONLY 14 roster spots; leaving one open for emergencies / unbalanced trades etc…
I think Yi is OUT.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
If we cut someone like Owens mid season then we are out his minimal salary against the cap for the year. But could free a space.
What if someone like Owens gets cut BEFORE training camp?
BTW this also speaks to trading down in the draft for multiple picks (less likely), buying a pick (less likely), and draft-and-stash pick (more likely).
Also makes Yi and Howards returns unlikely. Plus it makes re-signing Bibby nearly impossible.
IMO
No way do Owens, Jeffers and Hamady all make the team. We’re holding onto them for the summer thru camp.
So how does that work?
We don’t have to give them a guaranteed contract?
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes they do
My question is, does it limit how much additional draftpicks or BOYD players we can take on at the draft???
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe so
and I’m not really seeing the sense in qualifying Larry O (unless you see a hidden 3&D gem in him), but I can see it for Jeffers and H.
Jeffers is a perfect fit for the fourth guard in the rotation. He can guard all three wing positions and is tantamount to defensive insurance if Young skips town. I could see a handful of teams in need of perimeter defense grabbing him if we didn’t qualify him.
H gets another year at least to show something. Having size affords him that privilege. If he does, then at the very least we could flip him for an early to mid second rounder; that would be a net gain (he was picked 56th). He strikes me as the type you keep at the end of your roster until either you’re positive he won’t amount to much, or you find a better use for that roster spot.
Agreed with your assessment on them, but
couldn’t we have signed them as RFA’s instead?!
I mean, áfter the draft, áfter we know who our rookies are ánd after we know what we need to fill out our roster with.
These QO’s could effect future determining draft trades while Othyus &Co are NOT future determining players
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with both of you.
As Jones-y said, I see Jeffers (keep him!) and H. Not sure I see the angle in Owens. Actually I would have guessed they’d keep Shakur over him. Unless the FO knows something about the next CBA that we don’t.
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah we could've signed them as RFAs but
1. we would have run the risk of possibly having to bid a little higher for their services, and
2. we would’ve lost the opportunity to make a statement to the young players on our team.
Those are the only reasons that I can see to do it now, and I agree in principle that those really aren’t good enough reasons.
They are guaranteed a Roster spot, even if no one else offers them a contract.
So the Wizards officially have 11 players on the roster. They have the right to match any offer for Nick, Owens, Jeffers and H. If no one offers them a contract then they become Wizards this year with a one year guaranteed contract. If they sign an offer sheet from another team then the Wizards have one week to match the offer and the player stays a Wizard or they let the player go to the new team.
Exactly
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 20, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Having said that
I don’t see us bringing him back. At least I hope not.
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 20, 2011 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Wort case scenario for Yi(from where he sits)
Is he doesn’t land an NBA spot and has to go back to his home where is a national hero, and play a style of basketball that he is apparently much better at.
He will be fine without us.
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by returnofswagger on Jun 19, 2011 10:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Someone will take a flier on him
At worst, you get a guy who rides the bench but draws in the Chinese market (such as it is).
The Chinese market is significant... they buy lots of gear (they also make it in all likelihood)
Yi would lose face if he had to return to his own country. He will be in the NBA somewhere.
Well yeah
Not only is there this aspect of it, but he is good enough to be in the NBA. I was just saying he doesn’t need the NBA really. The man has his options.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 20, 2011 3:17 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
More like
the NBA needs him. Especially with the questionable status of Yao!
The NBA needs to continue to tap into the largest basketball fan base in the world!
If Stern gives us DWilliams, we'd be happy to carry his carcas along for another season or two and give him garbage minutes in blowouts ;-)
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 20, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
DWilliams is the second coming of Jamison.
Minus the rebounding.
Jamison was always great with the numbers
But his rebounds were empty rebounds much of the time (if that makes sense). But, if you minus the rebounding for Williams, add the Defense.
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I disagree.
I think Jamison got a lot of 50-50 rebounds.
From what I saw, I think Williams got three rebounds a game just for being a power foward, and another two just for being 6’8.
As for defense, I disagree there too. That’s his big question mark going into the draft. I don’t have a hard time imagining him being as awful as Jamison defensively.
Jamison was a very good rebounder.
Box out? Meh. Overpower? No. Quickjump? YES.
He was a legit rebounder.
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah that was me
Its a “what have you done for me lately” type thing. During his last few years as a Wizards he didn’t look as good around the boards. Maybe it was just due to age.
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Question
How do qualifying offers work with trading players and their salaries?
I was actually wondering if the Wizards need to add a bit of salary to a deal, that having a few extra players under some sort of contract would work well. I just wasn’t sure about how the mechanics would work.
We can't trade them
Its an offer that they can execute during the FA period which starts after a new CBA is signed, so after the draft. Players can sign offersheets with other teams that the Wiz now have the right to match and then the players stays. Or if they don’t wanna match, the player goes to that other team
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 21, 2011 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
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