Bullets Forever "Be the GM" Contest [CLOSED]
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 11:00 AM EDT
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PrintWell, with just about every dead horse beaten to Jell-O, with the draft in a mere week, this is the perfect time to have a little fun before we all swallow a bottle of Pepto Bismol Thursday night. That's right, posters, it's time to see how you stack up against the pimp hand of Destiny. Without giving undue prejudice to what you would like to see, show me the draft as it breaks down for the Wizards, including any and all draft day transactions from our front office.
This is your chance to see how you stack up against Ernie Grunfeld and his peers. Twoeightnine design has gotten in on the act, donating the prize for our most prescient posting pontiff!
Conditions of the game; a brief review and a few liberties:
- You get the 6th, 18th, and 34th picks in the draft.
- You have $3 million to use in a single transaction, whether you're buying a draft pick or as sweetener in a prospective trade. Once you've used it, that's it.
- All players are available for trade, bound by reason and general sanity.
- Assume all trades will take place after Monday, 8PM ET. At that point comments will be locked.
- To keep things easy on the eyes when it's time to calculate, make all initial comments your scenario, and comment as you like as they're proposed.
- To win, get everything right. In the event no one calls it, we'll go by whomever is closest, to be determined by editorial fiat.
- Against the possibility of a tie, include your draft order, picks 1 through 15. Whoever picks closest to reality takes the cake.
Well, there's the stick, and here's the carrot. As the faithful are reminded now and then, there are a few 'Big Game James' t-shirts still in stock. With the James Singleton plying his trade for the Xinjiang Flying Tigers, we had abandoned all hope of finding a home for our remaining tees. What better way to memorialize Lebron James' epic defeat at the hands of the Dallas Mavericks and three former Wizards than with a sarcastic slogan in a color we'll be all too glad to forget?
Unfortunately, Mike tells me those are gone, so you'll just have to settle for one of the totally sweet John Wall custom designs from twoeightnine design (pictured below). They've graciously agreed to donate the prize for our little contest, make sure to check out their website! Sizes available up to XXL! Ultimately we're about the love for DC, and nothing says DC like these babies.
What are you waiting for? Whip out those crystal balls and get gazing!
That's right, you want me.
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JaVale McGee stays. That's my GM hat right there.
In recent weeks, both Jonathan Givony of Draft Express and ESPN.com’s Chad Ford have mentioned McGee as a player Minnesota covets. But while the Timberwolves have asked for him, dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft, the sources said. Trading McGee hasn’t even been discussed internally, according to the sources — especially since many within the organization believe that the 23-year-old McGee would be deemed a top three-to-five pick if he were in the draft this year.
Sounds like the office has a much
Different perspective on McGee than many BF members who would give up McGee for the #2 straight up.
I am with the staff on this one. Not always, but here I think they are on target.
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 11:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
If Lee has it right, sounds like
they were pretty much in line with my take on McGees value and what would be required to move him.
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 11:32 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Did anyone actually read the entire article?
especially since many within the organization believe that the 23-year-old McGee would be deemed a top three-to-five pick if he were in the draft this year.
If the organization deems McGee to be a to 3-5 pick if he were in the draft this year – then trading him straight up for pick #2 seems to be a fair deal… for both parties.
Just because the Wizards organization says publicly that they’re not trying to trade JaVale McGee – doesn’t mean they won’t…..
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 17, 2011 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Observations
1. Agree that trading the equivalent of the #3-5 pick to Minnesota for the #2 pick makes sense.
2. If the Wizards are concerned about being able to resign McGee to a long-term deal, you don’t shoot off your mouth about how he is the equivalent of the #3-5 pick. His agent probably fell on the floor laughing when he read that, and then ordered a sports car. So what is really going on?
3. I am so tired of the “if so-and-so were in this draft, he would be the #__ pick” argument. There are probably 80 guys in the league who, “if they were in this draft, would be the #1 pick,” so that argument is meaningless. You would rather have a 3-time all-star 27 year old point guard than a 19 year old unproven college kid? Wow, I am so surprised!
re: 3
It’s been repeated ad nauseam (thus, the nausea), but it seems to be the most logical way to calibrate value. While it may be applicable to 80 guys in the league, this is the scenario that seems most likely to evolve in a one for one trade, and I don’t see a better way to address balance in such a trade.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions
but it falls apart
when contracts and experience are included. Where wold JaVale go in this draft if he could only be signed for 1 year, while the rest will be at rookie scale for 4-5?
JVM coming up on a contract year is a HUGE piece of the puzzle for me. I don’t want to pay him like a starting center only to have his fans tell me he needs a few more years. Then lets pay him like a kid who needs a few more years, because he’s not a NBA Center.
The onus of developing him has lessened commensurately
It shows Kevin Love they are serious about getting competitive before his rookie contract is up.
It’s the NY conundrum, what’s he worth, what will he accept…ugh
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions
That's my read too
The Timberwolves came knocking to see if the Wizards would bite on a trade of McGee & the 6 for the 2 and the Wizards are spreading info to bring Kahn back down to reality.
Of course, the other way to read it is that they believe McGee would be a top 3-5 pick, but don’t want to trade him even for a 2nd because they’ve invested so much time in him, and they don’t have another legit center as a replacement.
In any case, here’s my prediction:
The Wizards trade McGee straight up for the 2nd and draft Williams.
They then pick Big Smack with the 6th pick.
Tobias gets taken with the 18th.
Darius Morris with 34.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jun 17, 2011 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Great. JaVale is worth as much as Brandon Knight (top 5 pick).
That sucks. Haha.
The Wizards (thanks to Sean) just denied having any internal discussions for JaVale.
That’s because he is worth more than any other play in this draft. IMO.
by jmpalomo on Jun 17, 2011 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
certainly not lying
But at this time of year especially we should take every bit of “internal sources” information with a nice dose of salt.
It’s more likely a trade of McGee doesn’t happen – and I’d be just fine with that – but it’s still possible. I can see why both sides would do it, so it’s way too early to write off.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jun 17, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
so known quantities have as much value as unknown quantities
7’1 centers have as much value as 6’9’ power forwards…
Sorry, that is not how valuations work in the NBA…from the same article…
The Wizards may have interest in moving up to get a desired player, but this draft — with so many question marks from top to bottom — isn’t the one that would convince the team to sacrifice McGee, a player that it has spent the past three years developing into a serviceable center in a league that is experiencing a dearth in talent at that position.
Maybe the definition of dearth changed, but as far as a I know, when a commodity is scarce it is worth more. Call me crazy….
not to mention...when you have made the investment in something
you actually would like to make a profit on it….
I am surprised by the earlier comment…
Turning a Raw 18th Pick
Into the #2 overall pick in the draft would be considered making a profit on an investment, IMO. Also IMO, JaVale will never be worth more in terms of trading value than he is right now.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
May or may not be true...but that isn't the basis for the discussion
The discussion is about his expected value vs. Williams expected value. If you have made an investment, then when you sell the asset, you would expect to get a higher expected value in return than what you are selling, unless there is a reason you are willing to take the loss. So when the earlier comment says they have similar values, thus the deal is fair, that does not account for the Wizards earlier investment.
There's a Difference Between Perceived Value and Actual Value
Back in 2005, the perceived value of real estate was extremely high. So many people kept buying even in the face of record-high prices. But in reality those prices were just a reflection of a bubble. Say you bought an investment house in 2002, and by 2005 saw that you could now sell your house for a 50% profit. So you sought advice from different people. Those who told you to sell and get out then were the smart ones. Those who said, “hold on to the house! It’s value will only go up!” were the ones to ignore.
Likewise, I believe JaVale McGee’s perceived value to be a reflection of a bubble. Nobody wants to trade for McGee based on what he brings to the game today. They only want him for what they think his future upside is. If he doesn’t become a star in this league over the next few seasons, then that perceived value will come crashing down.
In terms of our initial investment, it was of the #18 overall pick in the draft 3 years ago. If we sell today, we stand to make a tidy profit, albeit in the form of another player based on future upside. But that player will be the #2 overall pick, not the #18 pick. I like the chances of Derrick Williams developing into a star a lot more than the chances of JaVale McGee developing into a star at this point. In three seasons, I think you’ll see that those two players don’t have “similar values” based on actual performance. We need to cash in while they still do in perceived value.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
I think it's mainly Wizards fans who talk of Mcgee being garbage right now
but “potentially” great at some future date. Many other teams probably (or at least Minny) see him as a decent C right now who has gotten better every year and clearly has a large upside. The stats dont lie in this case….Pierre is a good offensive C who blocks a ton of shots. There is real value in that as-is. It’s not at all a stretch to think if he was just given the FGAs, he’d be an 18/9 C who of course blocks a ton of shots. That’s a legit player, even if not the ideal guy given his various lapses and misadventures in the open court.
point being, they arent trading for some wished upon future player….they are trading for what the guy has proven he can do right now AND where they see a natural progression taking him as he heads toward his peak over the next 5yrs
i do think 18/9 is higher than he'll ever reach - at least on a winning team
i’d be happy with 12/14-11 though.
he's 23yrs old and was better than John Wall last season.
7’2", young, and statistically thebest player on the team. Has improved every season, if there’s even a 35% he pans out, no way you can trade him now. They aren’t considering it imho, 6’8" aint 7’2"
by DCrez on Jun 17, 2011 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
really, mcgee last yr was a better player than wall last yr?
He has improved every yr, but he still has bad habits that he was never close to breaking. And I dunno if wall wants to wait two three yrs for mcgee to be a top 10 big man assuming he hits that level.
by thewiz06 on Jun 17, 2011 8:18 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Good point.
Another point, cuppett, is that his value certainly won’t crash. Not as long as he’s 7 feet tall. Its possible that it drops, but crash isn’t really possible.
His TRADE value will most certainly crash
if the Wizards resign him at $9-10 Million per year – and he does NOT develop into an All-Star Center….
Try to trade him then………….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Exactly
JaVale has one more year to prove himself before he gets another contract. His next contract will still be based more on what he could become rather than what he is. Sell now and you sell high. Wait and you might get burned badly.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
only one problem
selling now IS selling low.
Only if You Think JaVale is Going to Continue to Improve
$9 – $10 million per year is too much for an average NBA 7 footer. He’ll get that contract because of his potential, not because of his current play. If he doesn’t live up to it, he’ll be an albatross on Ernie every year when he tries to stay under the hard cap and still keep this team competitive.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
I do.
$9 – $10 million per year is too much for an average NBA 7 footer.
But that’s the thing. Its really not. Have a look around. $10m is the going rate for a good center.
who cares about trade value if he’s not on the trading block?
a good center is worth $10m rook.you know that. so YOU don’t even believe your own statement. hey that one word in caps thing is kinda cool…
If He Doesn't Get Much Better
Then you better believe he’ll be on the trading block full-time. The problem then is that nobody will want him. But maybe I’m wrong.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
he's 7 feet tall.
there will always be a demand for 7 feet.
What will happen is some GM will take a look at him and say to themselves that they can get more out of him. There are countless examples of exactly that. And even when his remaining potential is gone, there will be GMs who take one look at him and consider him an upgrade to their current center.
Darko is the case study
And people laughed when Kahn signed him at 5m per
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
And I'm STILL laughing
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Darko ( a # 2 pick in a strong draft ironically) is not in McGee's league
McGee already is among the better half of the the centers in the league that log more than 25 minutes according to his advanced stats and he is much younger than most of them.
Darko is a bust and never showed his skills in the NBA, he never showed anything that warranted the Kahn signing, but hey, it’s Kahn we’re talking about here.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Consider the fact that
Aaron Gray (yes THAT Aaron Gray) made a difference in the playoffs. Without him, NO isn’t remotely competitive against LA in the first round.
Size has intrinsic value. Because the rim is ten feet off the ground. This is a fundamental FACT of the game.
We agree that his perceived value is high
The question is does a highly valued center in the NBA, perceived or realized, equate to a single #2 pick in a lowly rates draft. If the market value is higher you should not sell below market rates. Now if you know the house has a bunch of leaks and the former owner never took care of it, you dump it. But you are still getting more in return than the actual value. But if you spent a lot of money on the house, you can be sure you are going to want a return.
I am not here to argue about whether McGee is going to be an all star. My point since this has started is that his value due to size and position and age must not be undervalued because of our local perceptions based on seeing every minute he has played. The market seems to be saying his value is higher than what BF want to think. This is partially because we have the 6 pick, which in my opinion is skewing people’s opinion. If we didn’t have 6, would we make this trade? Some may say yes, but the point is the 6 really has nothing to do with ensuring we maximize our return for one of our most valuable assets.
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 4:20 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
#2 pick in a lowly rates draft.
When that pick is Derrick Williams – then YES the value is there…
Williams is the one player in this draft that has the potential to become a multiple time All-Star… Those are not JUST my sentiments – but I’ve read that from multiple sources – - – Sources that I trust. (ESPN, SI, DraftExpress, etc…)
JaVale McGee does NOT have that potential – in my opinion…
So the question is NOT whether you trade a Starting Center on a crappy team for a draft pick in a poor draft….. but rather, do you trade JaVale McGee (and all his “potential”) for Derrick Williams (and his “potential”)…
So – if you think JaVale McGee will become an All-Star Center , then you are on one side of the fence; and you should be willing to say you’re happy to pay him a 4-year $45 Million contract extension…
On the other hand, if you think he’ll still be the defensive liability, Sports Center highlight seeking, wannabe Point Guard in 3 years – you have to be in favor of a trade.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 17, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Which Brings Up One of My Other Points
I don’t do this deal unless I know I have Kanter, and unless I know that Minny has Williams. If Cleveland decides to take Williams #1 overall, then all bets are off. I don’t think Ernie pulls the trigger unless he knows what he is getting and what he has to fall back upon.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
Your Follow-Up to My Analogy is a Bit Off
Now if you know the house has a bunch of leaks and the former owner never took care of it, you dump it. But you are still getting more in return than the actual value. But if you spent a lot of money on the house, you can be sure you are going to want a return.
There were a lot of people with perfectly good houses, in great working order, who lost a lot of money on the housing crash. It wasn’t because the house they bought was bad. It was because the market was pricing houses based on where people were predicting it would sell for later, not what it was actually worth. It was all an illusion that came crashing down around people.
Likewise with McGee, he has some inherent value as an average NBA center with defensive liabilities. But I promise you he’ll get a much bigger contract next year than such a player would typically earn. He’ll get a much bigger contract because whoever pays him will expect his value to go up by a lot. Whoever holds that contract will be up shit creek if he doesn’t become a star, just like Rook said above.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
Finally...
Just because the Wizards organization says publicly that they’re not trying to trade JaVale McGee – doesn’t mean they won’t…..
From the same article and bolded above….
But while the Timberwolves have asked for him, dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft, the sources said.
So the source says, McGee is not considered an option to move into the top three, and the consensus so far is that this means the Wizards think McGee’s value is commensurate with…wait for it…a top three pick (#2).
Am I missing something? Or are you just saying you believe Michael Lee third sentence (sources say he would be a 3-5 pick) but you don’t believe his second (he is not being considered as an option to move to the top three).
Help me understand?
Doubletalk is coming out of the Wiz camp
dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft
isn’t nearly as conclusive as you may be thinking. Lee could simply be referencing the #6 and JVM for the #2
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I am not sure how that differs.
If they are saying McGee on his own is too much for #2, wouldn’t that mean they think McGee and #6 are too much?
Or are you saying that they are saying they wouldn’t include McGee in a package with 6? I feel like that still speaks to their assumed value of McGee and what they expect in return.
Can you clarify?
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 4:26 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I Will Try to Clarify
This is how I understand it. Dealing McGee in order to move up into the top 3 is not an option. I interpret that to mean that adding McGee to a package that includes the #6 pick is too much, and I would agree. But trading McGee straight up for the #2, as long as that #2 is Derrick Williams, would be a better deal for the Wizards, and not technically “moving up” because we would still get to keep the #6 pick. So maybe that’s still an option to the front office.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
by cuppettcj on Jun 17, 2011 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
I don't understand your distinction
“Moving up into the top 3” doesn’t indicate how you do it. You can do it by offering draft picks. You can do it by offering a player. Or you could do it by offering a combination of players and draft picks (and taking back players and/or draft picks). If the Wizards are honestly saying that McGee is off the table, that means to me he’s not being offered for Minnesota’s pick, either straight up or in a package including draft picks. Of course, the Wizards may not be honest in their assertion that McGee is unavailable.
If I move, I have to leave where I am
That’s the definition of moving. Otherwise, you’re acquiring an additional pick.
Or leave who you have
Really, do you think the Wizards meant to make this sort of shifty lawyerly grammatical distinction? But even under your definition, you could also move up by leaving behind something you own.
In which case I'm still leaving it
I don’t think they were trying to be clever, but why should we assume anything but the generally accepted meaning? I wouldn’t say “move up” if I meant “trade for the pick”. Would you?
Silly argument in any case, and I think it gets covered again a few times below.
What I'm saying is that
Just because the Wizards organization says publicly that they’re not trying to trade JaVale McGee – doesn’t mean they won’t…..
I thought that statement was pretty clear…. but maybe it needs elaboration…
The Wizards organization (ie: Ernie Grunfeld) will NEVER admit talking about trading any specific player. They (he) will ALWAYS deny reports and rumors (even if they are true).
So a source within the team that says “dealing McGee isn’t considered an option” – means absolutely NOTHING.
In the end, if the Wizards (ie: Ernie Grunfeld) believe that they can improve the talent level on the team by making a trade, OR if making a trade it will put the team in a better financial situation (the Arenas trade) – they will do it… no matter what they have said to the contrary in the past.….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
well, we are having a huge draft party for the sth's
And like last yr, and that could be a sign that we are making a move. I don’t see the organization just treating us to a free dinner with us getting biyombo, vesely, or kemba and with no move that day…
by thewiz06 on Jun 17, 2011 8:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree with any of that.
I am referring to this trade, not whether try would move McGee.
From the two threads, it doesn’t even seem like we can come to agreement on what the trade is.
But I think in the end, I understand your position. You think McGee’s value is lower than Williams. I think McGees open market value is higher. This is not an attempt to imply McGee would beat Williams one on one or compare them directly. It is based on the scarcity of centers in the NBA, age, and size as well.
However, none of us that I know of have Ernie on speed dial probably worth stopping here and enjoying the suspense. Lets hope that whatever Ernie does leads us on the right direction for the rebuild.
Cheers.
by DavidDunn on Jun 18, 2011 12:19 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree with any of that.
I am referring to this trade, not whether try would move McGee.
From the two threads, it doesn’t even seem like we can come to agreement on what the trade is.
But I think in the end, I understand your position. You think McGee’s value is lower than Williams. I think McGees open market value is higher. This is not an attempt to imply McGee would beat Williams one on one or compare them directly. It is based on the scarcity of centers in the NBA, age, and size as well.
However, none of us that I know of have Ernie on speed dial probably worth stopping here and enjoying the suspense. Lets hope that whatever Ernie does leads us on the right direction for the rebuild.
Cheers.
by DavidDunn on Jun 18, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I don't disagree with any of that.
I am referring to this trade, not whether try would move McGee.
From the two threads, it doesn’t even seem like we can come to agreement on what the trade is.
But I think in the end, I understand your position. You think McGee’s value is lower than Williams. I think McGees open market value is higher. This is not an attempt to imply McGee would beat Williams one on one or compare them directly. It is based on the scarcity of centers in the NBA, age, and size as well.
However, none of us that I know of have Ernie on speed dial probably worth stopping here and enjoying the suspense. Lets hope that whatever Ernie does leads us on the right direction for the rebuild.
Cheers.
by DavidDunn on Jun 18, 2011 12:21 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
David Alrdridge
@daldridgetnt David Aldridge
Just so that you’re clear: there is no chance the Wizards include JaVale McGee in any deal to move up to two
Yesterday there was chatter about JVM AND #6 for #2.
It’s possible that Khan wouldn’t settle for JVM alone. So if the deal is off then it makes sense to reassure JVM that he’s still your guy…as if they had never considered trading him for #2. Doesn’t mean they wouldn’t consider trading him for something else.
by MR on Jun 17, 2011 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
December 1, 2010
“It isn’t true. I wouldn’t tell you if it was true but I am telling you that it is not true.” (Leonsis on a potential Arenas trade).
17 days later “it is not true” became “it is true”.
There is no rule that NBA owners or GMs have to tell the truth.
by MR on Jun 17, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
my point is that not going out of the way to explicitly deny JVM is at all available for trade is a big neon sign “MAKE ME AN OFFER”
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait...are you saying you think this
Is saying the Wizards are trying to imply through the leak that they are ok with moving McGee by himself but not with the six?
If so, I read that differently. I see McGee will not be included in any deal for the #2. That doesn’t make him untradable and no one implied that. The question from me has been is #2 enough and the Wizards seem to be implying the answer is no.
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 4:31 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
The way I'm looking at it now
They’re okay with moving him for the right price, whether or not that’s just the #2 is something only they know. I would say it is enough to pull the trigger, maybe they also want the #20…but yes, Javale is available, but if MN wants the #6 they’re going to have to put a hell of a lot more value on the table.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't disagree and have never implied
That McGee is not tradable for the right price in terms of management. My point has always been I think the number 2 pick is not commensurate with the value McGee as an asset presents.
I have written a lot in the last few days, but all of my comments are directly related to a value vs value assessment (without regard to the fact that we have 6 and could replace him). I know the fact that I am arguing against 1for1 may make it seem like I am arguing for keeping McGee. I see both sides. But I try to stay very specific but I can’t make this point after every comment. Regardless, I just hope what ever action we take is a step in te right direction.
by DavidDunn on Jun 18, 2011 12:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Right
But we’re talking about management, I think JVM for the #2 is still in play…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, move up does not automatically imply
Giving up a pick. It could also simply mean getting and earlier pick for other assets. That being said, I see your interpretation, even though I think it still means they are also not willing to do 1 for 1.
by DavidDunn on Jun 17, 2011 4:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I hate word games…. and let’s be very clear here… these may be Michael Lee’s words, and not someone within the Organization… At least the SPECIFIC wording may be Lee’s -
dealing McGee isn’t considered an option for the Wizards in order to move into the top three in the June 23 NBA draft,
MOVE UP – If we want to pick this apart – that’s the key in my book…. That tells me (if it really tells me anything) that they don’t want to trade JaVale McGee to MOVE UP…. ie: move from #6 to #2 ….. or more plainly, trading McGee PLUS the 6th pick for the 2nd pick is NOT under consideration…..
It does NOT say that JaVale McGee couldn’t be traded straight up for the #2 pick…. It does not say that McGee is not available for trade.
If I were the GM, and I wanted to really quell any trade rumors about JaVale McGee – I’d say something like - “JaVale McGee is not available” – or “We will not consider any offers for McGee”… or “JaVale is one of our core players, and as such, is untouchable”…..
They said NONE of that…. They didn’t say “dealing McGee isn’t considered an option to obtain the 2nd pick”
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
that quote doesn't say 'move up'
i don’t see room for your interpretation.
I think an earlier sentence says move up.
But I still dont assume move up means exclusively giving up your pick. It seems to me that you can move up to an earlier spot without implying losing your current spot. But I also see the interpretation Rook is implying.
But I agree with him that I dislike word games. I don’t happen to think the leak is intended in that manner, but I do see where the two referenced comments are coming from. Regarding the fact that they would move him, I never disagreed with that.
by DavidDunn on Jun 18, 2011 12:37 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Seems like a very lawyerly distinction
Saying that “moving up” means trading draft picks but not trading a player for the draft pick seems like a very fine lawyerly distinction. Rather than attempt to square a circle, I think a better explanation is that the Wizards are either floating a true or a false story.
What's worse, it's a distinction premised on the idea that what's being said is somehow accurate or truthful
Which seems like a very non-lawyerly approach. Smokescreens abound in the days leading up to the draft, I don’t buy any of this.
Word games are exactly what everyone's playing...
We are masochists when it comes to rumors.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 18, 2011 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Lawyerly = GM speak
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Couldn't it also be
Barking up the value of McGee as a trading chip? I tend to talk things up at my garage sales too.
Like this?
Seller: Oh no- that vintage JaVale McGee is not for sale…. I don’t know how that got out here on the lawn…. No way I can let that go for $1.50…….. That’s not for sale..
Seller: Wait …………how much did you say?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 18, 2011 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Give me kanter and jordan hamilton.
and i’ll be a happy duck. Good luck to anyone who goes all out on this contest.
Geting it done.
I'll give it a shot
Not going to predict any trades, because the odds of getting that right are practically zero. So Ernie will stay put on draft day, and these are the picks he’ll make:
6: Enes Kanter
18: Tobias Harris
34: Nikola Vucevic
Mock Draft:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Brandon Knight
4. Jonas Valanciunas
5. Kemba Walker
6. Enes Kanter
7. Jan Vesely
8. Kawhi Leonard
9. Marcus Morris
10. Alec Burks
11. Klay Thompson
12. Bismack Biyombo
13. Tristan Thompson
14. Markieff Morris
15. Chris Singleton
My PIcks
Washington trades the #6 pick and #18 pick for Utah’s # 3 pick.
- Enes Kanter, KU
- Nolan Smith, Duke
1. Derrick Williams
2. Kyrie Irving
3. Enes Kanter
4. Jonas Valanciunas
5. Jan Vesely
6. Brandon Knight
7. Kemba Walker
8. Marshan Brooks
9. Kwahi Leonard
10. Chris Singleton
11. Bismack Biyombo
12. Jimmer Fredette
13. Tristan Thompson
14. Marcus Morris
15. Klay Thompson
by jmpalomo on Jun 17, 2011 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Toronto likes the Foreign Players
Less resistance from players abroad than American Players. American players hate to play in Canada- too much red tape and cold as heck.
Remember all, comments locked Monday 8 PM ET
If you posted a scenario first, you get credit. No copying off other students’ tests, please!
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 12:10 PM EDT reply actions
Ordered my shirt anyways :)
Wiz stay put at 6 and 18 and keep jevale
#6:Jonas v. #18:Honeycutt
1:kyrie Irving
2:Derrick Williams
3:Knight
4:vesely
by believe_the_curse on Jun 17, 2011 12:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Wiz buy #20 for 3million. Wiz trade #20 & #6 for #3 and Okur.
3. Kanter
18. Harris
34. Mirotic
1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Kanter
4. Valanciunas
5. Walker
6. Knight
7. Veseley
8. Biyombo
9. Leonard
10. Burks
11. Marcus Morris
12. Montejunas
13. Jimmer
14. Singleton
15. Hamilton
But they might not sell it to us ..
.. if we don’t deal for their #2. Out of spite, perhaps. They’d sell it to the Knicks before they’d
sell it to Washington.
And relieved them of Foye and Miller.
Pierre is the smooth operator. @JaValeMcGee34 is the monster you've grown to know on the court.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jun 17, 2011 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Relieved Them?
That was no favor for them. They had value both as players and as expiring contracts.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
The wizards traded for a draft pick
So they didn’t really free up cap space by taking on those contracts. And while it seemed like they would have some value, it’s pretty hard to see any with hindsight.
Pierre is the smooth operator. @JaValeMcGee34 is the monster you've grown to know on the court.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jun 18, 2011 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ernie Waiting to See if Kanter Drops to Him Before Pulling the Trigger
I’m predicting, and maybe it’s just my wishful thinking, that Ernie won’t be willing to trade JaVale unless he knows he has Kanter ready to replace him at the center position. But if Kanter indeed does fall to #6, then I predict (and hope) that Ernie will trade JVM straight up to the Timberwolves for Derrick Williams.
My Top 6 Mock:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Brandon Knight
4. Jonas Valanciunas
5. Kemba Walker
6. Enes Kanter
Then, after Ernie has Kanter in his possession, he executes a pre-arranged deal with Kahn that sends JaVale to Minnesota straight-up for Williams. The deal gets announced later on in the draft.
If the Wizards don’t get Kanter, however, I think they take Kawhi Leonard and stay put on trades.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
What are you thinking as re: the 18 and 34?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Number 18
Kenneth Faried. It’s really hard to get my wishful thinking out of the way, but he’s the guy I would want at that position. I don’t project him to be an NBA starter, but he’s the kind of guy I would want to turn to off the bench for rugged defense and rebounding.
Number 34? That’s difficult to project, but since I need to go on the record, I’m going to say Travis Leslie, hoping he falls there.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
Wall, Crawford, Booker, Kanter, Williams would be a pretty sweet young core to move forward with. Need a shot blocker.
by MR on Jun 17, 2011 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're Right, That Needs Fixing
How about, “Need a shot blocker that won’t give away all of the positive effects of his shot blocking by committing 3+ goal tends every game.” Is that better?
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
that seems like a legit scenario
one issue for the Twolves….mcgee remains a restricted FA at the end of the season no matter what correct? Would they realistically be willing to trade Derrick Williams for a player who could easily leave the following season?
He Would Only Leave if the Timberwolves Won't Match, Correct?
If so, then of course they do it. If they value JVM as high as Derrick Williams (or higher), then matching any offer made to JVM would be a no-brainer, especially since that offer would be made under the new CBA.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
but they'd essentially be putting themselves into the same position that we're ostensibly trying to avoid
by trading him now. Seems like a huge risk on their part, they have Love’s impending deal to afford as well
Everything's a Risk
But with a new owner-friendly CBA, and a player they like better than Derrick Williams, I don’t think they’ll lose too much sleep over it.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
last I saw
franchise tag would be a year by year thing, and contingent on the player’s approval…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 17, 2011 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Dream Draft
Trade McGee for MN’s #2 pick and draft D. Williams.
Trade MN’s #20 for 3 Million.
Trade our #6 and #20 for Utah’s #3 and Okur in salary dump.
Draft Kanter at #3.
Draft T. Harris at #18
Draft N. Smith at #34
Mock Draft:
1. Kyrie Irving
2. D. Wiiliams
3. E. Kanter
4. J. Vesely
5. B. Knight
6. K. Walker
7. J. Valanciunas
8. K. Leonard
9. A. Burks
10.Marcus Morris
11.K. Thompson
12. J. Ferdette
13. C. Singleton
14. B. Biyomo
15. T. Thompson
16. D. Montejunas
17. M Brooks
18. T. Harris
So in my draft Wiz end up with D. Williams, E. Kanter, T. Harris, and N. Smith.
It’s highly unlikely Wiz trading up for both #2 & #3 picks of the draft.
But hey this is my dream draft.
Here's mine
Since I am an Associate Editor here at BF, my entry is ineligible for any prize… But I still wanted to get my prediction down before the draft.
On draft night:
The Wizards will trade JaVale McGee to the Minnesota Timberwolves for Nikola Pekovic and the 2nd pick in the 2011 NBA Draft.
With the 2nd pick, the Wizards select Derrick Williams
With the 6th pick, the Wizards select Enes Kanter
With the 18th pick, the Wizards select Marshon Brooks
With the 34th pick, the Wizards select Nikola Mirotic
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I Think That Would Set the Record
For most guys named “Nikola” acquired by an NBA team on a single day.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
Unless
they trade for Nikola Pekovic
Select Nikola Vucevic with #18
and take Nikola Mirotic with #34
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Here's the reasoning....
I’ve believed all along that the Wizards want Derrick Williams – the only trade chip that would come close is McGee… The Wolves made a mistake with Pekovic… He’s a terrible Center.. and they’ll be ready to dump the two years, $9 Million left on his contract… So Minnesota gets McGee and dumps $9 Million – and the Wizards get a 3rd string center and Derrick Williams.
The 6th pick is tricky. Kanter’s value seems to be all over the place… Cleveland, Toronto and Utah could all throw a wrench into my plan by drafting the Turkish Bull… But I think Utah will take Brandon Knight. Cleveland will go with Valanciunas and Toronto will choose Vesely. (I hope) – leaving Kanter to the Wizards.
With the 18th pick, the Wizards will hedge their bets. With Nick Young’s pending Restricted Free Agency, they will need to be sure they’re not caught off guard by a huge offer by someone. By drafting Marshon Brooks, they can ensure they don’t have a hole to fill at Shooting Guard. He’s not the shooter that Nick is, but he defends well, and is a terrific rebounder for a guard. Brooks, like Nick, will have to learn to play off the ball. If Nick resigns, having a guard rotation of Wall, Crawford, Young and Brooks is still pretty sweet.
Since the Wizards are adding 3 MORE Rookies to an already young squad, the Roster is now becoming pretty tight. If they resign Nick Young and bring back Jeffers, that would be 12 roster spots filled… We know that Flip would like to add a veteran or two to the roster, if nothing else to show these young players how to be professionals. So I think the Organization will look to draft and stash here… Nikola Mirotic (20 years old, 6’10" 210, Power Forward) is perhaps the most fundamentally sound player of all the European prospects. He has a terrific shot (43% from 3 in ACB play) and is a pretty good defender. BUT he has a large buy out…. and will probably stay with Real Madrid for another year or two. He is just the kind of player that the Dallas Mavericks or the San Antonio Spurs would love to draft – but if he’s still available at 34, I think the Wizards will take him.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Ah! Rook! Your mistake here is in your sheer competence
Unfortunately, I’m preparing to be gravely let down on draft day. I never fail to underestimate the Wizard’s brain trust, yet still – somehow – I’ll be gravely let down.
I think you are on to something...
I would offer this variation:
I believe the Wizards (a) will definitely keep McGee, (b) will match any reasonable offer up to $8.5 mill a year for four years for Nick Young, and © really do want to draft Enes Kanter. The social and traditional media traffic has pretty much convinced me that Kanter wants to play ball with Wall and vice versa.
For this reason, unless Kanter goes in the top two choices, I believe the Wizards are VERY likely to trade #6 and #18 to the Utah Jazz for the rights to Kanter at #3 and the expiring contract of Memo Okur. Utah is essentially in full rebuild mode, so the deal makes sense for them as it will save them $10 million of Okur’s salary and give them the 6, 12, and 18 picks, with plenty of options to find a point guard prospect and more. Okur, meanwhile, gives the Wizards an excellent veretan presence and a mentor for his young countryman, as well.
At #34, Michael Lee’s very fine Father’s Day piece on Nolan Smith, his sister and Mom and their Dad, the late Derek Smith (I had forgotten he was just 34 when he passed so suddenly, such an odd coincidence of numbers here), has pretty much convinced me that the Wizards will select Nolan Smith to be their fourth guard… and it will be an excellent decision all around giving the WIzards a second two-way guard off the bench, and a young player of great character and poise.
Anyway, that’s my guess and I cannot imagine a better draft for the WIzards this year given the picks they have and the quality of the draft class.
Four more days….
ERGO 1-15
1-Irving to Cavs
2-Williams to Wolves
3-Kanter to Jazz, rights traded to Wizards for 6 and 18
4-Jonas V to Cavs (their next Lithuanian center…)
5-Kemba W to the Raps (their next Mighty Mite)
6-Knight to Utah
7-Vesely
8-Leonard
9-Marcus Morris
10-Biyombo
11-T. Thompson
12-Jimmer
13-Singleton
14-Burks
15-Brooks
makes too much sense to happen
…
I would love the Kanter/Okur-for-6-and-18-deal. All the uncertainty whether the 6th pick can supply a legitimate building block in our rebuilding process should really be pushing the front office to make a move.
Maybe we can buy the 20 from MIN if we think there’s someone out there in this supposedly weak but deep draft.
I like the Bullets
By the way
The headline of “Bullets Forever ‘Be the GM’ Contest” is a little redundant, don’t you think? All we do here at Bullets Forever is pretend we are the GM.
by disgrunted on Jun 17, 2011 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Or
We secretly hope that the actual GM of the Wizards reads this site and listens to what we have to say. Or sometimes we just like to bitch to people who understand our frustration. Wives and girlfriends don’t meet that need for most people. God bless you if you are partnered with somebody who can.
"It's OK for the Bullets to trade baskets, as long as they can score on their end." -- Words of wisdom from Phil Chenier
"JaVale has five highlight plays a game. Unfortunately, there's about 200 plays in a game. He's got to get more substance than style." -- Flip Saunders summing up Javale McGee perfectly
Chaos theory
Not my preferred draft, but a guess. No Wizards trades.
6 – Kawahi Leonard
18 – Markieff Morris
34 – Bojan Bogdanovic
1 – Williams
2 – Kanter
3 – Irving
4 – Knight
5 – Vesely
6 – Leonard
7 – Walker
8 – Valanciunas
9 – Biyombo
10 – Marcus Morris
11 – Tristan Thompson
12 – Singleton
13 – Motiejunas
14 – Marshon Brooks
15 – Jimmer
I will hate it but ...
No trade
6 – Jan Vesely
18 – Markieff Morris
34 – N. Smith
1 – Irving
2 – Williams
3 – Kanter
4 – Valanciunas
5 – Knight
6 – Jan Vesely
7 – Walker
8 – Leonard
9 – Biyombo
10 – Marcus Morris
11 – Tristan Thompson
12 – Jimmer
13– Singleton
14 – Motiejunas
15 – Marshon Brooks
Could be fun to see Jan running the break with Wall
But that’s about it. You and I both have Markieff Morris at 18, we should cross our fingers that he falls that far.
Mostly because everybody else is betting on the "Kahn hearts Pierre" trade or Kanter falling to us, I wanted to play out a trade where Kahn goes need and takes Kanter with the 2nd pick. I’m not sure it’ll happen, but I think the more likely scenarios have already been picked.
In response to Kanter not being available, the Wizards trade back with Charlotte getting the 9th and 19th pick. Wizards buy the 28th pick from Chicago. While not as "flashy" as landing Derrick Williams, the Wizards add shooters in Hamilton and Thompson, depth in the front court with Boyombo and Tyler, and Nolan Smith to spell John Wall for a few minutes a game.
Wizards end up with:
9- Bismark Boyombo, PF
19-Jordan Hamilton, SF
20-Klay Thompson, SG
28- Nolan Smith, PG
34- Jeremy Tyler, C
Lottery Selections:
1. Kyle Irving
2. Enes Kanter
3. Derrick Williams
4. Jonas Valanciunus
5. Brandon Knight
6. Kawhi Leonard
7. Jan Vesely
8. Kemba Walker
9. Bismark Boyombo
10. Marcus Morris
11. Alec Burk
12. Jimmer
13. Tristan Thompson
14. Chris Singleton
15. Marshon Brookes
I thought maybe the Wizards would trade down in this draft; but I doubt that anyone would trade 2012 picks to improve their position this year. In fact, I think there will be less moving around this year than in years past, especially in the top 15. For example, in the scenario given, Charlotte trades two picks for one pick so they can move up 3 spots. They’d be more than happy with Biyombo at 9.
I agree on the 2012 pick
I think it’s unlikely anybody trades away a 2011 for a 2012. However, I think it’s perfectly reasonable for the Bobcats to want Leonard. He’s the perfect replacement for Wallace and most of what I’ve read has stated that Sacramento will pick him at 7.
I could see some teams trading a 2011 pick for a 2012 pick
If you think your team is going to be a title contender in 2012 you may be willing to trade away your 2012 pick for another team’s 2011 pick. To take an extreme example, I’m pretty sure Dallas, OKC or Miami would offer their 2012 pick to get Cleveland’s first pick. And to take a less extreme example, I think the Lakers or Celtics would be willing to part with their 2012 pick for our #6 pick.
True
I probably should have been more specific in my language. In general, I think teams are reluctant to move 2012 picks for comparable picks in this year’s draft. 2012 picks just have more value. For example, trading our 6 and our next year 1st for the 2nd overall pick would have been discussed far more favorably in future drafts than this one.
2012 is just a much better draft. With Barnes, Sullinger, and Perry Jones added to Anthony Davis, Quincy Miller, and Michael Gilcrhist, I think we’ll get at least 3 all-stars in the first six picks.
You’re right, however, there may be some movement on 2012 picks. However, I think the Wizards won’t be one of the teams trading away their 2012 pick.
No Wizards trades.
6 – Kawhi Leonard
18 – Nikola Vucevic
34 – Malcolm Lee
1 – Irving
2 – Williams
3 – Knight
4 – Kanter
5 – Valanciunas
6 – Leonard
7 – Vesely
8 – Tristan Thompson
9 – Walker
10 – Burks
11 – Klay Thompson
12 – Marcus Morris
13 – Biyombo
14 – Singleton
15 – Jimmer
by steadyhand on Jun 18, 2011 3:10 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wizards stay where they are in the draft
6. Kawhi Leonard
18. Jordan Hamilton
34. Josh Selby
1. Kyle Irving
2. Derrick Williams
3. Enes Kanter
4. Jonas Valanciunus
5. Brandon Knight
6. Kawhi Leonard
7. Kemba Walker
8. Jan Vesely
9. Bismark Boyombo
10. Marcus Morris
11. Chris Singleton
12. Jimmer Fredette
13. Tristan Thompson
14. Klay Thompson
15. Marshon Brookes
Pierre is the smooth operator. @JaValeMcGee34 is the monster you've grown to know on the court.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jun 18, 2011 6:00 PM EDT reply actions
I couldn't have come up with a worse outcome if I had tried.....
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Selby is the only one I really raise an eyebrow over
Hamilton looks to be a good shooter. We could use that. I do think drafting two small forwards in the same draft is a bit odd though.
My 2 cents.....
The Wizards trade #18 to the Raptors for a future protected 2nd round pick and stay at # 6. Toronto, in return, selects Vesely leaving Kanter to us.
The Wizards then buy the #23 pick from the Rockets and select a ‘Poor Man’s’ John Wall in Darius Morris.
1. Irving
2. DWilliams
3. Knight
4. Valanciunas
5. Vesely
6. Kanter
7. Kemba W
8. Tristan Thompson
9. KLeonard
10. Motiejunas
11. Marcus Morris
12. Singleton
13. Alec Burks
14. Kenneth Faried
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 19, 2011 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
My Best Guess
No trades, BOYD or pick buys.
6. Leonard
18. Montiejunas (the new Yi)
34 Travis Leslie
1. Williams
2. Kanter
3. Irving
4. Knight
5. Vesely
6. Leonard
7. Walker
8. Valanciunas
9. Biyombo
10. Burks
11. Tristan Thompson
12. Klay Thompson
13. Marcus Morris
14 .Singleton
15. Fredette
Any word on the Vesely workout?
Did they have to break out the smelling salts to revive Ernest? Or was the Czech’s outside shooting the only thing that stunk?
Best option (realistically)
Trade the 6th and the 34th to Charlotte for the 9th and the 19th. Charlotte’s happy because they can get a big man like Biyombo. The wiz can pick up Singleton at 9 to run the floor with Wall as well as add a defensive presence. Then add Brooks at 18 and a big man of their choosing at 19. Gives them 3 talented young players to add to their core, all of whom are top 20 talent. That way you can shore up multiple need positions in one draft with out having to deal with the backlash of a “failed pick” if Leonard, Vesely etc. don’t pan out at number 6.
1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Knight
4. Kanter
5. Valanciunas
6. Biyombo (Trade to CHA)
7. Leonard
8. Vesely
9. Singleton *Trade with WSH
10. Burks
11. Tristan Thompson
12. Walker
13. Klay Thompson
14. Marcus Morris
15. Fredette
16. Markieff Morris
17. Tobias Harris
18. Marshon Brooks
19. Donatas Motiejunas *trade with WSH
My Crazy Wizards Draft.
I going to go nuts with this and have some fun. The Wizards pull off a blockbuster 3 team trade with the Timberwolves and the Pistons. Below is the trade breakdown:
Wizards get:
2nd Pick
Austin Daye
20th pick
Wolves Get:
Charlie Villanueva
$2 mil Cash from Wiz
6th Pick
Pistons get:
Luke Ridnour
Andre Blatche
18th Pick from Wiz
First round of Draft (1-20) then proceeds this way:
1. Irving (Cavs)
2. D.Williams (Trade to Wiz)
3. Brandon Knight (Jazz)
4. J. Vesley (Cavs)
5. Katner (Raptors)
6. Valanciunas (Wolves)
7. K. Leonard (Kings)
8. B.Biyombo (Pistons)
9. K. Walker (Bobcats)
10. A. Burks (Bucks)
11. J. Fredette (Warriors)
12. Marcus Morris (Jazz)
13. T. Thompson (Suns)
14. Montiejunas (Rockets)
15. K. Thompson (Pacers)
16. M. Brooks (76ers)
17. D. Morris (Knicks)
18. C.Singleton (Pistons)
19. T. Harris (Bobcats)
20. J. Harper (Wiz from Wolves)
FYI: This trade is espn trade machine tested as successful. There would be more trades but I don’t have the time to do all that.
I figured its a Win-Win-Win for all teams involved
by FireErnieNow! on Jun 20, 2011 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions
The way I evaluate it
It’s a big win for DC, dropping a big contract (that many consider a mistake) for a guy on rookie scale, dropping 18 to 20 in order to go from 6 to 2. That’s a steal.
Wolves drop from 2 to 6 and get a little cash and a no defense fwd (a position they don’t need to fill) who has a terrrible contract. Plus they have to give up their starting PG. I don’t think this is anywhere close to realistic.
Detroit might do it. Exchanging Vil for Blatche is a sideways move, they get Ridnour almost for free. Moving up two slots.
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, my mistake. I flipped who had the #20 to begin with.
The trade just got worse for MN. Tell my why you think they do this trade?
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Who is on a great contract.
And has remaining potential to improve.
Well I don’t want to get into a Blatche discussion with you right now.
But what’s in it for MN?
Going from #2 to #6 AND giving up Ridnour AND their #20 (which they could sell for $3 mil) for Villanueva? CV can’t even start on his own bad team. He’s stuck behind guys like Wilcox, Maxiell and Jerebko. Plus he plays the same position as Love.
If I’m DC or DET I jump on that trade. If I’m Minnesota I laugh at it.
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnny Flynn is the Starter not Ridnour
They also have Rubio next year. Ridnour is the a salary drop. Sure the wiz could give the full 3 mil and tie in next years second for the wolves. I really think this is doable. Villanueve can and has played center in the past. He has the size.
by FireErnieNow! on Jun 20, 2011 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Ridnour started 66 games for them last year. Flynn only 8.
And I believe that was when Ridnour was injured.
I think there are still significant enough doubts that Rubio is really coming. No way they paint themselves into a corner with only Flynn.
Ridnour only makes $4mil.
I still don’t see the angle for MN. CV would be horrible at center and is not a solution at that position.
by MR on Jun 20, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
According to Rubio, he's coming.
I agree this isn’t a good trade proposal for Minny though. Villanueva isn’t the fish they were looking to catch.
In other news, Cleveland has confirmed that Irving is the #1 draft pick. So things are starting to take shape.
My Wizards Draft
First of all, there is really one of the best sports blogs out there and allows me to follow my Wizards despite being in Arizona.
Trades…
Chicago with trade up with their #28 and #30 picks to get our #18 pick;
Utah trades P. Millsap and #3 to us for the #6, #28, #34
We buy Minnesota’s #20 for $3 million
3. Kanter
20. Jordan Hamilton
30. Josh Selby
1. Irving
2. Williams
3. Kanter
4.Valanciunas
5. Vesely
6. Knight
7. Leonard
8. Tristan Thompson
9. Walker
10. Burks
11. Klay Thompson
12. Fredette
13. Marcus Morris
14. Biyombo
15. M. Brooks
by Aquamaneastfish on Jun 20, 2011 12:37 PM EDT reply actions
My ineligible guesses
6- Kanter
18- Jordan Hamilton
34- Jeremy Tyler
1- Irving
2- Williams
3- Knight
4- Valanciunas
5- Walker
6- Kanter
7- Fredette
8- Leonard
9 – Marcus Morris
10 – Burks
11 – Vesely
12 – Thompson
13 – Biyombo
14 – Singleton
15- Brooks
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by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 20, 2011 7:22 PM EDT reply actions
Tried to mix it up a bit
Irving
Williams
Knight
Kanter
Leonard
After the lottery I expect the worst. This would be it for me. In this scenario we move back. Charlotte includes 9, 19 and 39. We send them 6 and 34. In this case Jordan moves up to pick… Jan Vesely? One can only dream.
At 9 WAS selects Klay Thompson, G/F Washington State
6 is too high to pick him. 9 keeps us in front of Milwaukee and GS. Adding #19 makes it worth it to take the best shooter in the draft. His size helps mitigate his lack of agility defensively. Size also allows him to play SF when we go small. If we resign NY, Crawford can play on the ball more. If we don’t, we’ve got a player with NBA-ready skills that dovetail perfectly with the head coach’s offensive system.
Wizards trade 18 and 39 to Indiana for 15. (other idea was 18 + 1.5M cash for 15)
At 15 WAS selects: Markieff Morris, F/C Kansas
I move up to make sure I get Morris ahead of Philly and New York. Very happy to add a big, athletic, defensive-minded rebounder with a jumpshot. He does a lot of things well and he’s still getting better.
At 19 WAS selects: Tobias Harris, SF, Tennessee
A blue chipper, McD AA, and he showed up when almost no one else from Tennessee did. Harris has the all-around skill set we need. He has the potential to be a two-way player. Another high IQ kid, as in one of the youngest in this draft.
Space the Floor. Defend the Rim. Add talent on the wing.
We still have room to add a veteran or two.
I apologize for all the ground rules I just broke.
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