Seriously, what's the best comparison for Derrick Williams?
by abovelegit on Jun 16, 2011 4:09 PM EDT
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PrintI'm reading a lot about D-Will, and I keep seeing comparisons made by NBAdraft.net and Draft Express saying that he's like David West....I just don't see it...nor do I see him being like Antawn Jamison. He doesn't have the post moves Jamison utilized in his arsenal, Derrick is more of a slasher that can step back and hit the three.
I really view him as a Danny Granger or Caron Butler type player, except he doesn't run off screens as often as Granger does (though I can see him improving in that regard).
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"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
Good call
Paul Pierce in a power forward’s body.
I think Rashard Lewis is a good comparison
Long athlete with a very good touch who likes to float and face up.
Wally's World
Lewis was always a pure shooter #1.
everything else was based on people tryin to defend his shooting. Actually Lewis was teamed up with the player he most plays like – Ray Allen. 5 inches taller but had that same game. Playing at PF in Orlando though probably has taken its toll on his body so he’s aged quicker than he would have if he had stayed playing SF all that time.
Trevor Booker with a jumpshot???
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
I don't like that comparison
Williams is much more talented offensively.
by iNFaMOUS SwaGG on Jun 16, 2011 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I wish Mash had posted up more in his NBA career
he could have been better than he was
Aim for the head baby Jesus
Paul Pierce all the way
His jumper looks better than pierces and williams will probably be quicker then pierce even in his prime.
Geting it done.
Paul Pierce is all about creating off the dribble
That ain’t DWilliams
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 17, 2011 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes it is.
Zona has several sets built to get him the ball in space so he can dribble drive. I was impressed by one because he kept getting the ball on the left wing beyond the 3pt line. If they played back he knocked down the shot. If they took that away he drove using his left hand. If there’s a weakness there it’d be his pull-up game. Never really needed it at Zona.
They also ran sets to get him the ball at the top of the key, one of Pierce’s sweet spots as well. Let him iso from there. It was their go-to play late in games because he could get his shot or create open shots for others.
The Wildcats loved to force opposing big men to guard Williams one-on-one outside the paint, and 12.3 percent of his offensive possessions were in isolation situations. Of players who had 50 isolation possessions on the season, Williams ranked third in the nation in efficiency, at 1.1299 points per possession. The only players ahead of him were Butler’s Shelvin Mack, a 6-foot-3 combo guard, and Ohio State’s David Lighty, a 6-5 wing. Williams is a 6-8 hybrid forward who could not be contained off the dribble. His ISOs resulted in free throws an amazing 29.9 percent of the time, which is by far the highest rate of any player who appeared in the top 50 in ISO efficiency.
Williams
is better as a roll man on the PnR than Pierce…. Pierce is the much better defender… at least from what I’ve seen of Williams defense.
But a quicker Paul Pierce is a good picture of Williams
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Pierce even matches body type pretty good.
Pierce had spent more time on the perimeter coming out of college, but still lots of similarities.
Carmelo
He obviously isnt nearly as skilled as melo yet, but he reminds me of him a good deal. Basically the same size and if i remember correctly, melo played a lot of power forward in college also
define way better
Melo at Syracuse: 22/10/2ast/1bk in 36 minutes, 45% FG, 71% FT, 34% 3P
DWill at Arizona: 19/8/1ast/1bk in 30 minutes, 60% FG, 75% FT, 57% 3P
hilarious
to hold one above another because he had better teammates. The numbers don’t reflect that.
Carmelo also faced much tougher competitionThe Big East had guys like Ryan Gomes, Mike Sweetney, Emeka Okafor, and Craig Smith for Carmelo to go against.
The Big East had guys like Ryan Gomes, Mike Sweetney, Emeka Okafor, and Craig Smith for Carmelo to go against.
The Pac10 had no prospective NBA PFs this year. I watched Derrick Williams get outplayed by non-NBA quality Reeves Nelson from UCLA twice this year. (Nelson vs Arizona this year: 24pts-10rebs on 10 of 12 shooting, 27pts-16rebs on 10 of 13 shooting.)
by yop32 on Jun 20, 2011 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
did you say Mike Sweetney?
So now the argument moves from “His team won” to “His opponents were better”. This sounds like a BCS non-BCS argument all of a sudden. Look who’s on my schedule!! No sister of the poor there… Sweetney and and Okafor? What do either of those Centers have to do with Carmelo? He was playing the 3 at Syracuse. All he had to do was play one side of the 2-3 zone with Hakim Warrick on the other side.
Williams put up big numbers as the primary option at Zona. The Hive Mind is struggling to keep up their negativity on the kid because no matter how you slice the numbers he is the best player available in this draft.
Carmelo elevated his game more than Williams did in the tourney. He flat out played better than Williams in money time. He carried the offensive load and didn’t take defensive plays off in the tourney like Williams did.
He was flat out better in college. And Williams will not top him in the NBA.
Seems you have quite the attachment to Carmelo.
Carmelo
vs. Manhattan 17/9
vs. Ok State 13/8 (GerryMc and Edelin carried them)
vs. Auburn 18/8
vs Oklahoma 20/10
Solid stats but the only game in which he carried them was after they got to the Final 4. He had 2 great games there. Williams lost to the eventual Champion before he got there.
Meanwhile Derrick Williams through 4 games:
vs Memphis 22/10
vs. Texas 17/9
vs Duke 32/13
vs UCONN 20/5
Williams out-scored him, out-rebounded him and shot better percentages (just like the regular season). He also actually dominated games (dook) in money-time. I’m not suggesting you love Carmelo any less than you do… but people do need to open their eyes to how freakin good Williams was this season.
Williams was damn good this year. I don't deny that.
But I won’t let stats tell me something about games that I mostly watched for myself.
Melo played bigger in the bigger moments, stats notwithstanding. In particular he played harder defense and fought harder for rebounds and loose balls during the tourney than Williams. Williams looked lackadaisical out there for stretches in the tourney. The TOURNEY. The playoffs. The big dance. Money time. Melo came up bigger in money time. Stats be damned.
Williams was one dimensional in college, Melo wasn’t. Melo is one dimensional in the pros. What do you think Williams will be?
And that’s my problem with Williams. His defense and rebounding are suspect. So if he’s anything short of a GREAT, Melo-level scorer, he’s a bust. Say what you will about Melo now (and by the way I’m not a huge fan of his – not sure where you got that from) but he was both a better rebounder AND a better defender in college.
Say what you will about Melo now (and by the way I’m not a huge fan of his – not sure where you got that from) but he was both a better rebounder AND a better defender in college.
Rebounds/40, pace-adjusted stats:
Williams also got a ton of rebounds out of his zone too. And Melo’s defense always left something to be desired. DWill ain’t Melo, because he was a year older and the competition was worse, but I don’t see how he’s that far behind.
Melo played both forward positions, so he was out of rebounding position more.
Williams got out muscled and out hustled for rebounds more often than I am comfortable with.
Stretches? Never saw that. A play her or there? maybe
so if he’s anything short of a GREAT, Melo-level scorer, he’s a bust.
This is an absurd statement and a ridiculous bar to set. 28 a night or he’s a bust, think about that.
As is getting on the kid for effort when he was clearly carrying his team. For christmas sake he played more than half the year with his RIGHT hand taped up because of a broken finger.
They said the same things (lackadaisical) about James Harden when he couldn’t win by himself at Arizona State. And If DWill gets in foul trouble who scores for Zona?
Upon review, that is a little extreme.
But I still think he’s likely a one dimensional player in the NBA, and because of that, his bust potential is high.
As for effort, there are no excuses. Its the tourney. Leave it all on the floor. That’s what separates the very good players from the great ones.
Shazam!!!
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
by Krobify on Jun 17, 2011 2:29 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs
I keep thinking Kevin Martin for some reason
Just in that he seems like he’ll be a pretty efficient scorer (assuming his game translates) who gets lots of threes and free throws but who won’t do a lot of other things. Maybe Carmelo?
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i don't think its a good comparison...
just no clue if that’s the comparison being made or not. neither seems close.
there it is
now that sounds right. A little less of a finesse player than Lamar though
by zl on Jun 18, 2011 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Villanueva is not an especially efficient shooter – Derrick Williams is a terrifically efficient player… and he rebounds much better than Charlie V.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Charlie Villanueva, if he learned to get to the FT line.
Villanueva pulled down exactly the same number of rebounds per game as Williams in their sophomore years, but did it in fewer minutes. Like Villanueva, Williams is going to be a pretty mediocre rebounder.
Pretty damning that you don’t try to claim that Williams’ D is any better than Villanueva’s. Nor do you try to claim that Williams is any less of a black hole than Villanueva.
There's a monumental difference in usage + efficiency.
Villanueva was a middling usage/middling efficiency guy. Williams is a extremely high usage/extremely high efficiency guy.
Uh....
Glen Robinson/Rodney Rogers/Al Thornton
in no particular order (pretty much a combo forward)!
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