Chad Ford's Latest NBA Mock Draft Has Wizards Taking Enes Kanter
by Mike Prada on Jun 15, 2011 1:40 PM EDT
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PrintChad Ford just came out with his latest NBA Mock Draft, and in a bit of a stunner, he too has Enes Kanter falling into the Wizards' lap at No. 6. Here's his explanation:
The Wizards know they aren't taking a point guard -- not with John Wall in the fold. So the questions are: Who's the best player on the board and what do they need? The Wizards are very high on Vesely, but in this mock he's off the board.
Kawhi Leonard is an option. He brings toughness, defense and versatility to a team that can use all three attributes. But the Wizards are really looking for rebounding help up front and Kanter is a very good fit here. He's tough, he isn't afraid to be physical and he has good size. Tristan Thompson is a dark horse here as well.
Ford has Jonas Valanciunas going No. 4 to the Cavaliers, because he's hearing the Cavaliers are "cooling" on Kanter. He then has the Raptors taking Jan Vesely at No. 5. As many of you know, Draft Express has been pegging Kanter to D.C. for a while now.
This seems like a dream scenario of sorts, to be honest. It's also a bit surprising to me because from what I understand, Kanter is very much in play for Minnesota at No. 2, and dropping to No. 6 is a hard fall. But Ford definitely knows more than me, so who knows.
Other draft links:
- Ford has the Wizards then taking Jordan Hamilton at No. 18.
- A couple really good Bismack Biyombo features from Ford and Scott Howard-Cooper of NBA.com. Jonathan Givony of Draft Express also remains very high on him. I honestly think Biymobo's not getting enough love here and is being victimized by the reputation of guys like him. He strikes me as having a ton of defensive potential in today's NBA, and I'd be really careful passing that up even with JaVale McGee on the team.
- Don't know how reliable this is, but The Hoops Report is saying the Jazz are looking to trade down from No. 3, with the Wizards mentioned as a possibility.
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Biyombo
I’m with you on him. He’s getting a lot of praise from scouts and draft experts. I like his potential fit in DC. It would allow Blatche another season to figure out where he’s heading, plus it would allow the perimeter defenders to gamble more knowing that they have two of the league’s best shot blockers playing behind them.
Bismack and Mcgee on the floor
would mean Pierre is our PF on the offensive end. He’d surely love that, not sure if EG and Flip see it that way tho
by DCrez on Jun 15, 2011 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Excellent Smithers
I’m all for this scenario, but alas I feel like we’re being set up for Vesely and Valciunas. I mean, this is Ernie we’re talking about here.
jonas is the second best prospect for us
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
If we can get Kanter, I'd feel a lot better about trading JaVale for the #2 pick
I am not giving up on JaVale, am hesitant to trade him, and Kanter is no sure thing, but it is exciting to possibly be able to field a lineup next year of Kanter, Blatche, Williams, Sushi, and Wall, with JC, Seraphin, Booker, and the #18 pick off the bench. Wowza
I also watched the Nike Hoops Summit and was very impressed with Biyombo. Totally raw, but in this draft, I think he is being underrated. He has a lot of Serge Ibaka in him. There is not much in this draft with star potential, and Biyombo offers that.
They complement each other.
You need an aggressive defender and someone to cover the weak side on defense and for rebounds.
I love that line up as well....
Perhaps the Wizards can get Honeycutt at #18…. He could be a real sleeper…. Other than Singleton, he has the best chance of being a very, very good defender… and although he didn’t shine in Howland’s UCLA offensive system, the same can be said about some other terrific NBA players that came out of that same system (
Howland’s half-court slowdown offensive system does not lend itself to showy offensive statistics, but usually the players that come out of that system adapt very well to the NBA…. (see Russell Westbrook, Kevin Love, Jrue Holiday, and Darren Collison).. And his (Howland) perimeter players all play exceptional defense….
So – I’d be willing to take a short reach at #18 for Honeycutt (who is slated in the LATE first round by most mock drafts) ….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Agreed. He was an early favorite but slipped on the boards lately
Brooks is also someone who intrigues me with # 18
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"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Honeycutt looks terrible
In the footage that the team released from the workout the other day, he gets his pocket picked, gets beat back door, and just looks like the worst player out of the group.
Question is whether or not that means anything. Maybe he stunk the place up, and those clips are representative of the entire workout. Or maybe they love the kid and are releasing the bad stuff to spread disinformation to encourage other teams to pass on him.
I like Honeycutt. Bball IQ, rebounding, passing, defense (both on and off the ball), and outside shooting (including the ability to make shots coming around screens). I think there’s a chance for some major synergy with him.
Jonathan Givony (DX) on Biyombo
In the podcast with David Locke and Jonathan Givony….Locke said that in every draft, there is an average of 2 players that make the all-star team and asked Givony who his guesses were of the 2 players most likely to make an all-star team and Givony said Irving and Biyombo.
Givony does this for a living and his stuff has always been very good, so if he says Biyombo, then I’m going Biyombo if I’m drafting for our Wizards.
For a guy like Biyombo to make the all star team ALL of the following have to happen:
1) His team is one of the top 5 in the NBA
2) His team is one of the top 3 defensive teams in the NBA
3) He is considered one of the top 3 interior defenders in the league
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Somewhere in the stories Mike linked to...
Biyombo is quoted saying he’s going to lead the NBA in both rebounds and blocked shots. If he can do that he’ll probaby find his way on an all-star team at some point.
by Johnnie Futbol on Jun 15, 2011 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Guess that makes sense. As long as the team doesn't suck.
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
he will be signed away in free agency if the team sucks...just like ben wallace was
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Pretty sure Wallace never signed anywhere as a free agent
Until he went to the Bulls. I think we gave him away for Ike Austin and then the Magic sent him to the Pistons in the Grant Hill sign and trade.
it was a sign and trade type deal. his contract with us was expiring and we would not pay up for him
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but they did not want to resign him because they did not want to spend the money on a defensive only center
that was the reason he was traded. I followed them back then.
they were the dark years that led to kwame brown
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
partially true
But I remember Wes going on and on during the press conference about how he felt we were giving up a lot in Wallace, how he was a promising player, etc.
which wallace?
you mean a gm trades away a popular player and says it was a tough decision lol
in 94, the bullets! obtained howard and webber. in 95, they obtained rasheed wallace. in 97, they finished 44-40 and lost to jordan who said afterwards, the wizzards were the future of the nba. in 98, they went 42-40. after the season, they started breaking it up:
they gave away webber and went 18-32 the following season (99), strickland was old when we got him (trade for r wallace) and was high all the time, ben was not resigned (99), and that horrible howard contract was finally tradeable in 2001. they went 29-53 in 00 and 19-63 in 01.
bottom line, they made howard the nba’s first 100mm dollar player in 1996 and got rid of all their talent over the next few years bec abe was cheap. though he would do it for a season or two here or there, abe was never comfortable living in luxury tax land.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
we know that. he was traded because they did not to pay to resign him
the team saddled themselves with juwan howard and abe had no appetite to ring up the payroll on a team that wasnt contending deep in the playoffs.
so they traded ben (99) in lieu of losing him to free agency (like we should do with JVM). and they traded webber (98). and they were stuck with strickland and howard until 2001
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Wallace didn't really play alot until his 4th year
Great. Let’s draft a guy and wait for him until he develops right before his restricted free agent year. No thanks. Just another Adonis Foyle IMO. Let someone else develop him then we can sign him when he becomes a free agent.
He was the best rebounder on the team
and Chris Webber was in front of him at first!
I am not sure who you are referring to but anyone we draft at six will need the years until the are a RFA to develop. They all need work
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Miami was responsible for the Howard contract.
At the time everybody thought Stern was saving our bacon by nullifying the Miami deal.
Afterward, Dennis Rodman refused to honor his contract, saying something like “it’s not my fault that a scrub like Juwan Howard is getting a hundred million. Pay me mine!”
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
Miami still wanted him initially, and there was a trade there if we wanted.
Everybody was pissed he traded away Rasheed and Webber. Howard was the only all-star left on the roster. He chose to overpay to appease the fan base and continued to blow up the roster to keep the payroll in line.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's not fair though...
Kevin Love did make the All-Star team this year as a rebounding stud. If Biyombo leads the league in rebounds and blocks then yeah he’ll probably find a way to make the all-star team.
True. But Love also scored 20ppg, 2.5 assists, shoots 85% from the line, PER of 24 etc.
In Biyombo I think we’re talking about a strictly 1 way player. That would be a lot harder.
And Love was an alternate I think.
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
you are right.
but he is a great complement to an offensive minded four which we might grab in next year’s low lottery selection.
Tobias Harris at 18 and with Wall and Young, you could have a pretty nice core that would still need a little time to develop and support another late lottery pick or two.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
right, but what is your point:
love made the all star team on his rebounding and offense
wallace made the all star team on his rebounding and defense
there is precedent for biyombo to make an all star team as a defensive specialist and shot blocker.
mutombo made many all star teams with that resume
marcus camby was nba defensive player of the year and had no offense. but over time, he has developed, including a 30 point, 13 rebound performance in the playoffs this season
i know you dont have a crystal ball, but biyombo has the athleticism scouts like, the measurements scouts like, the motor, desire, leadership and maturity scouts like. why do you think he is even being considered in the low lottery?
i am sure most people on this team would be happy with a ben wallace, marcus camby, or dikembe mutombo type in their prime on this team. the fact that he is quick and athletic enough to play the four or five is a bonus!
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think Camby ever made the all star team.
Mutombo was a 10-12 ppg scorer. From what I understand Biyombo is not that.
I think a more apt comparison is Theo Ratliff, who made one all star game when he was a dominant defender on one of the top teams in the league who had one of the top defenses in the league. Same with B Wallace. And Ratliff scored like 12 ppg that year.
If you are going to be an all star as an all defense, no offense player you’d better be completely dominant, play for a really good team that is known for its great defense.
If you are going to be an all star as an all offense, no defense player you can play for a so so team. (Gilbert).
Mutombo was a garbage scorer most of his career, just like BB will be. The guy is going to get points- garbage buckets like JVM gets now, Camby and Mutombo did. He will be in the 6-12 point range.
Who cares if he is recognized as an all star. That skills profile- defensive stopper, excellent rebounder and shot blocker, is very valued. And pairs very well with a PF that can score.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
he is 18- a little early for that
he is interesting. you need more than one playmaker. but the question to ask is if he needs the ball in hand to help us? i think he is too young a prospect to know the answer to that.
In the video clips I saw, he had a high basketball IQ and moved well without the ball so I think that answer is probably no
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
true, true...He seems to have a decent jumper. Not saying he cant develop into a good fit..
but other guys might fit in better immediately…so if you think in the long-run he will be better by all means we should go for it
We need outside shooting, bball IQ (passing and help D), and rebounding
Tobias Harris could be a perfect fit.
Still there's no proof how old he is
outside of Biyombo himself, of course. I just don’t understand why it is so difficult to verify this. Send a guy to his hometown to talk to his family, go to his old school, that kind of thing, and write a story about it.
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Because a lot of African countries its not registered at all outside of the big cities
Often times people register their children years after they were born. So chances are, he doesn’t know exactly himself.
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"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
but the reports I’ve read said that he parents were relatively high level government employees, lived in the city. It’s not like they lived on a farm. I’m still suspicious, really. And now that he’s walking around stating his birthdate in interviews (why didn’t he before, when questioned?) you have to wonder if there’s a character issue. Due diligence would require you to make sure you checked it out, is all I’m saying.
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
i imagine someone told him to mention it. either ford or his agent
it’s the big question mark and the best audience to clear it up.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Didn't know his parents were high level government employees.
Then we can assume his age is correct but it ain’t prove
But somehow they apparently can’t come up with prove, what’s up with that?
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Wizards trade up to #3?
To me, it only makes sense if (1) Williams will be there; or (2) they really like Valanciunas. Otherwise, I think they should just take whoever is there at 6. Even if both Knight and Walker are still available, two of Kanter, Valanciunas, Vesely, Leonard and Biyombo will be available. If Knight is gone, three of those guys will be available, and if both Knight and Walker are gone, the Wizards are guaranteed Kanter or Valanciunas. That’s the dream draft.
Based on Givony and Ford’s mocks, it sure seems like all the noise from Kanter’s agent about the Wizards was him looking for a floor at 6 for Kanter.
If EG is sold on Kanter I think he's worth the trade up if the cost is #18.
Then go out and buy a low-teen pick.
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Here here
Trade # 6 and # 18 for # 3 and buy # 20 from Minnesota
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
some missing logic in these points
If #20 or a low-teen pick is for sale, why would Utah trade #3 for 6 and 18?
I’m not sold on Kanter at #3.
If #20 or a low-teen pick is for sale, why would Utah trade #3 for 6 and 18?
Money. If Utah were to turn around and sell #18, they’d make a cool 3 million. I find it unlikely unless Utah has no preference between Walker and Knight, but it’s not impossible. Very little went back and forth in the Tryus Thomas/Aldridge trade, for example.
then why dont we just give them 3mm and swap picks 3 and 6
I think you are overcomplicating it
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Because than we over complicate things for the Jazz
Anyway, they move down 3 spots. We move up 3 spots. There going to want something in return for that and I agree that #18 alone might not be enough. We could take on a contract, or add a player to the package.
Bottomline is, if Ernie feels Kanter is a core piece a trade with Utah should be considered. As I said before, we need to focus on core pieces, not role players. That means that every player except Wall (and to a certain extend McGee) is on the table along with our cap space and picks.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions
asking utah to trade for 18 and then turn around and sell the pick to obtain cash is burdening them.
but i get your point. we disagree only in the need to trade up. i would trade up for williams. i might for jonas. i would not for kanter. irving is a top 5 pick for sure, knight very very likely is and walker might be.
between williams, jonas, kanter, and biyombo, one of them should be available at number six- especially considering three of the four teams in front of us need a point guard and there are three good ones to select from. and vesely is receiving serious top five consideration. i dont think it is necessary to force a trade. there are plenty of scenarios i would trade, but it has to come to us.
ernie is not likely giving up very much to trade. it is risky and he is not on the firmest of grounds.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
now it's being reported Rubio is trying to go back to his euro club
and doesnt want to come to Minnesota….dare they draft yet another PG???
was just on PTI
apparently he might not have signed a contract with the Wolves and is asking Barcelona to bring him back
btw, he scored 0pts in their Championship game last night
and 6pts total in the 3 game playoff and Barcelona doesnt want him back…so says Wilbon
Go ahead, Kahn, draft another point guard…
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha the Rubio Saga continues
Poor Minnesota fans….
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Coulda been us.
If the fans got their way.
by mogoman on Jun 15, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
but he still wouldnt have played. and we would be in the same place with JW. Only difference, we would have his rights and have a trade piece.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
rubio has no value at this point.
kind of an hilarious trade in hindsight, EG and Kahn managed to vaporize the 5th pick
by DCrez on Jun 16, 2011 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
WOW!!!
that makes a Dwilliams trade a strong possibility and real easy pill to swallow.
or it means that one of Williams, Kanter, Jonas, Biyombo will be available at #6
Kahn may even swap with CLE at 1 to nab irving!
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What a sideshow the Rubio story is…first his parents were a pain in the tuchas, and now it is apparently Rubio who is the problem. The teen sensation never learned to shoot the ball…
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
The word is that Rubio signed a Rookie contract
on May 31… and although he said something after the ACB Championship game … The actual quote was: “We are talking with Barcelona and we will soon see.” If he actually signed the contract… HE either plays in the NBA next year, or he doesn’t play anywhere at all….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
still...WOW!
any link yet?
what a PR disaster for him.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
it kinda feels good to know we dont have all the problems in the nba lol
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Link
Insider required
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/features/rumors
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
moving my reply over
Tobias Harris will be even better when allowed to play the 3 full time. He’s a blue-chip kid, McD’s AA, and finished strong at UT under incredible circumstances (aka Pearl and his team giving up). Love hearing about all-around players and not guys who do one or two things well.
Chad has Kanter slipping after a his Cavs workout. Wonder where he’ll be after we work him out? Mentions Tristan Thompson as a darkhorse. I think he showed well in his workout in DC. Darkhorse at 6, but doesn’t go in his Mock until 16… Markieff is still on the board when he has us picking Jordan Hamilton. I might even take him at 18 to add to Kanter. Then take a wing like Jimmy Butler at 34.
Ford also states Wizards are actively shopping Rashard Lewis.
Do they say why the Cavs didnt like the workout?
Kind of worrisome that his stock falls as people get a better look at him….but if he;s there at 6th that would be great
i think it is also getting a better look at others
Jonas and Vessley were still playing very recently, Eurocamp, biyombo’s private workout, his workout demands, etc
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Wizards are actively shopping Rashard Lewis.
This got my attention as well. Wonder how that’s going????
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 15, 2011 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Not the sort of “veteran big man” Kahn is looking for, I don’t think.
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha
I would think that any talks regarding Lewis would involve another team….just can’t think of who would be interested off-hand.
Just because we’re actively shopping him doesn’t mean that anyone is actively interested
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 15, 2011 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
No surprises there
But it’s hard to imagine a trade for Rashard that works/makes sense for would-be trade partners.
Yeah and I'm shopping my Nike Pumps from 1989
Not going that well.
by ryasch on Jun 16, 2011 9:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Link?
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
New member
Hey guys been a fan of the site for a while but first post. Anyone agree with me that we should just draft bpa at 6 and fill needs with our 18th and 32nd?
by believe_the_curse on Jun 15, 2011 2:20 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 5 recs
Welcome.
I see no need to draft a PG if he is BPA.
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The Wizards also have so many needs
That they should just be drafting the best non-PG available at every point in the draft.
I agree
But the great thing about Wall is that almost anyone should fit with him, aside from a SG who needs the ball all the time and some Shaq-lite behemoth.
and a young shaq would be a monster with wall.
you can almost order your finals tickets
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
aside from a SG who needs the ball all the time
You mean like Nick Young USED to be? Or like Crawford STILL is?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
haha, still no Crawford fan ain't ya Rook?
Say Utah asks # 6 + Crawford for # 3. Would you do that? Of course this trade scenario assumes DWilliams or Kanter is available at # 3
For the record, I think I would.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
NO
Because I saw flaws in Jordan Crawford’s game last year (inefficient shooting, terrible 3-point shot, poor defense)…. does NOT mean that I believe he can be traded JUST to move up 3 spots in this mediocre (putting it mildly) draft….
Crawford was only a Rookie. He was given free reign to shoot (which I think was HALF his problem, because whenever he had the ball, HE DID)… Another year under Flip’s tutelage, and I believe Crawford can achieve a Nick Young-like change… And I believe he has some viable upside…
I like the guard rotation just the way it is… Wall, Young, Crawford (with some Jeffers thrown in for late game and defensive situations)….
Besides – I don’t think it will take a player to move to #3… if the Wizards can just take on a contract (Okur)… and if Brandon Knight and/or Kemba Walker are still available at #6 – I think the Wizards and Jazz can do that trade….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
BPA in the front court. the best three is similar to the three available at 18. burks would be nice but not at the expense of an inside man.
this draft is heavy at #6 in center prospects, which is not the case next year. I really think we should trade for DW or wait for Jonas, Biyombo, Kanter.
There is a very low chance all those players will be gone by #6, and if so, Leonard, Vesley, or Singleton has to be there. Or someone will trade us for the right to Knight.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with BPA
is that it differs wildly based on what criteria you assign priority to when evaluating.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Exhibit A: Vinny Cerrato's draft record
where wide receivers are favored and thus too often BPA.
Welcome but...
with a young star in JW it would be a Kahn-esque to draft another PG that high. top 6 picks don’t ride the bench and with Wall and JC doing the ball handling, there would be no room to get this guy minutes.
The ONLY scenario where it would be pertinent to draft a PG at #6 would be to immediately trade him for an established player.
by Ron Carlos Jeines on Jun 15, 2011 2:37 PM EDT reply actions
No doubt that we draft a pg even if he is bpa but I’m just basically trying to say that we should not trade it because I feel we’re really gonna find a star with the 18th. Maybe 6th should just be a energy guy?
by believe_the_curse on Jun 15, 2011 2:46 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Totally Agree
As much as i’ve seen people want to draft Kemba Walker or Brandon Knight, they would waste away on the bench as PG is the one position we have solid players. Even in the thought that they would be tradeable assets is unreal as they wouldn’t even get the minutes to really show what they could do. We definitely should be looking more at positions 2-5, especially the 3 where there is a huge gaping hole in the roster.
by TheRealBigMike on Jun 15, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
don't really get that logic though...
getting a star at 18, and just taking an energy guy at 6. Seems kinda backwards.
I guess if you think that we should take a project at 18 and hope they develop into a star in a few years, but even then, even if they surpass all expectations, their ceiling won’t be as high as Derrick Williams’ average case. Not saying we should do everything in our power to trade up, just saying that if you get too focused on project players’ ceilings you will start t lose focus on the safer (with even higher ceiling) players such as DW or even Kanter.
Im just not completely sold on anyone in top 6 I guess. I feel our 18th will turn out to be a better player in the longrun. But maybe I’m just trying to save myself from the heartache of drafting someone who turns out to be not very good
by believe_the_curse on Jun 15, 2011 3:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
So could Kyle Singler
but the odds are against it
Tyler might be better than Kanter right now.
nobody knows, another mystery man
and trsiten thomson
deadly outside…but is he jarvis hayes 2.0?
by back_to_the_future on Jun 15, 2011 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Biyombo is a risky choice
I am not a fan of taking Biyombo because nobody has much information on him. If I am correct, we still don’t know how old he is. I feel that with the sixth pick, we have two choices. Maybe three. The definite must choices are Leonard and Kanter. Earlier, I had been skeptical about Kanter, and I still am. But I would still much rather have him over Vesely or Biyombo. The maybe choice is Morris.
risky because he sticks around the basket blocks shots and rebounds? huh?
he will get 6-12 points a game on putbacks and grab 10 boards a game- which will really improve our transition offense. Whereas, everybody knocks his lack of scoring offensively but do not mention those extra boards begin with his defensive rebound which we were not getting last year.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
If he is an offensive self-check, he isn't going to start in this league
(Unless the Heat draft him)
And if he isn’t getting starting minutes, he ain’t grabbing 10+ boards. There are 6 or 7 players a season in the entire league who legitimately average 10+
He intrigues scouts (and obviously fans) because of his potential, not because of what he can already do. The thing I wonder about is, what has he shown thus far, that actually hints that he can develop a go to post move or to or a quick baseline jumper?
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you dismiss his contributions a little too easily. he was the best rebounder in the second best league in the world i believe.
he may or may not hit the blocks pulling in ten boards, but he should get there. he is focused on it.
his offense sucks in a league where players come on average with crappy offense. to suggest he will go his entire career without developing an offensive move is simply an unknown. he will need a complementary scorer in the front court for sure. most teams do.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
No he wasn't. He averaged 5 rebounds in 15 minutes
That’s good but not extraordinary.
However, 2.3 blocks in 15 minutes ís LOL
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
someone else posted that he was fourth in the league
and that projects to 10 rebounds in 30 minutes
he is a legit prospect at six for us from what i have seen
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is some footage from his private workout this weekend, it might cool you off a bit on his offense ;-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDqJGJwAU0M&feature=player_embedded#at=22
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
well, he is a 5-25 year old kid who decided to work out alone in front of 30 nba teams and the sports media
I am sure he was a bit nervous. and i would not put too much stock in it.
we all know he needs to learn offense. he will get putbacks in the mean time and score 6-12 points a game
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Not as much as Kanter is
Kanter hasn’t played a real game in almost 2 years. Biyombo has been in the top European league the past year and proven to be a great defensive player on that team.
Why are so many Bullets fans are so high on Kanter? I feel like it’s just because he’s known to have a good around the basket game. That’s great and all, but that is most definitely not essential for a good team in today’s NBA. How many of the conference finalists had a starting big with a great back-to-basket game? I think the only argument that could be made is Chicago with Boozer.
Now how many of these teams had great defensive players? How many had at least one starter who was there for nothing but defense? I would argue at least three, if not all four.
If you seriously think dominant big man are not important anymore, I think you're making a mistake
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Finals
Dallas has two starting caliber defensive C’s to compliment an extremely skilled PF in Dirk. To a lesser extend, the same thing goes for Anthony complimenting Bosh. To a lesser extend and that gets compensated by 2 out of the top 5 players in the world.
Conference Finals
The Thunder traded for Perkins and if anything they got to little offense out of their frontcourt with Ibaka. Ibaka is working hard though to develop more offense. The Bulls lost partly because Boozer didn’t produce enough offense and was almost non existent (i.e. not dominant enough)
And then of course there’s the Grizzlies with Randolph and Gasol, the Lakers with Bynum and Pau, the Celtics with Garnet (and they missed Perkins) Magic with Howard….
There is a reason these teams were among the best in their conference. Actually a lot of things play into that but one, very important one is having dominant big men.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As I have voiced before, I think the safest way to go in this draft, is Leonard at six and then Kenneth Faried at 18. I do not know much about Marshon Brooks, Tobias Harris, and Klay Thompson other than we have been projected to take them. I am against taking a shooting guard, since we have Crawford and will probably re-sign Nick. Small forward and power forward at 6 and 18, whatever the combination, is how I think Ernie should use the picks.
good stuff Mike
I’ve been on thw Biyombo kick for a while bt there are so many failed african prospects like him recently it scares me. Can he be smaller Ibaka. or will he be a guy with no real instinct who does for every pump fake ,can’t catch a cold inside and gets as man oul as minutes.
Or is he a prime ben Wallace.
I don’t know. He plays with a ton of passion and that usually is a good attribute usually drives a players work ethic.
kanter it just sees is a mystery to alot of teams no one is said to really really like him I’ve not heard that said yet which sorta raises red flags for me. If he falls to us I’m thinking wy if he’s supposedly as Wizards fan believe such a good prospect.
I’d be more willing to take a guy like Boyombo than Kanter simply because Biyombo has skillsets we need and we figure he could excel in off the ball.
what about seraphin?
didnt EG draft his Bismack last year? I cant imagine Ernie would take Biyombo with Kanter on the board…
athleticism difference looks to significant
unless injury and out of shapeness robbed Seraphin that much of his explosiveness.
seraphin is not a center. biyombo can play both PF and C
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Seraphin is a center.
At least until he refines his offensive game.
one thing i liked about Seraphin
is that he seems to enjoy using his size out there. throws his weight around – maybe too much. but still a good contrast when seeing big men who seem to shy away from contact too often.
do you think he had a good enough season
to affect whom we draft this year? Or should Keveen not be a consideration when making this year’s picks?
His production is not the only consideration.
Will he affect our draft? Who knows?
He absolutely shouldn't
Having John Wall on the roster can stop us from taking a PG with #1, but betting on Seraphin’s potential in a draft choice seems very imprudent. When it comes to power forwards drafted in the mid-first round, I’m comfortable with accruing assets.
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
Seraphin 6’9 258, Wingspan 7’3", Stand reach 9’1"
Biyombo 6’9" 240, Wingspan 7’6", Stand reach 9’3"
by MR on Jun 15, 2011 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
biyombo gets up much higher
and you are talking about seraphin, the guy who never got in shape all season, right?
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
The only thing Biyombo and Seraphin have in common is that they are big and non-American
Their games could not be more different.
by Mike Prada on Jun 15, 2011 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
IMO
I actually see those 2 complimenting each other, while both struggling to defend players who can shoot over them.
not the same
When someone puts their rear into you, knocks you off balance and then fades on a jump shot. Rarely do post players get time to set and max their vert while playing one on one in the post. His wingspan should help him there, but taller player swill be able to shoot over him.
but you are comparing him to seraphin. and in that case, i think he will be better against what you described. Seraphin is shorter with a shorter reach. He starts at a disadvantage.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
2 inches
They are very similar in body type. Seraphin can play with his chest. I don’t know is Bismack can. That two inch difference isn’t going to be the difference in defending taller players with their respective reaches. I mean that form a standing position or in the post.
two inches in heiight, three inches in reach and a better vertical i believe
seraphin is a PF. He is not a center.
BB can be either
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Going out on a limb....
To me, Serpahin’s body and style of play suggests a player like Nene
Biyombo’s body and style of play suggests a play like Alonzo Mourning….Biyombo and Zo have similar measurements and Biyombo’s defensive aggression is somewhat similar to Zo
Agreed with DCrez. Check Seraphin (fastforward to 1:18)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxxUkGYbKjU&feature=related
If Biyombo showed what Seraphin showed on offense this yr, he would be in the conversation for # 1.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions
could we get that Seraphin back please?
The team had him gain 15-20 pounds so he could bang with the biggest nba Cs (which he can), but man it looks like a mistake watching that vid. The loss of vertical killed him this year, players shot over him at will and he was a terrible rebounder.
Do you have a reference for this?
I heard that he gained weight because of his injury and a poor diet.
I don't have a reference but I read that as well.
They wanted him to add weight and he did it by eating more… The knee didn’t help either.
The more i read on Biyombo
the less of a risk I see him. Put him at PF with McGee at C and there won’t be too many easy baskets on us. Just would need a big time scorer at the 3 spot. Would have to be like OKC where all its scorers are perimeter players.
give Pierre 12FGA/night
find out if he’s worth that $50mill/5yr or not
Biyombo versus Thabeet
I don’t know much about Biyombo but from these comments he sounds like what people were saying about Thabeet two years ago- A raw international with a defensive presence. Someone please tell me that there is a difference between the two, cause right now I am not liking what I am hearing.
Not even close
Thabeet went to UCONN and learned to play ball. This kid left his home country to learn it and moved from low level to the ACB very quickly (and played well there too). Thabeet is big and slow. Bismack is adequately sized and explosive. Only comparison is their lack of offense.
by Jheiser3 on Jun 15, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Two ways to look at it...
1. There is a reason he is falling in drafts. His agent knew it and leaked to let the Wizards know.
2. Cleveland is throwing up smoke to stop a pending trade with Utah by someone to get Kanter.
Very interesting….
by DavidDunn on Jun 15, 2011 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
what do we know about Bismarck
Other than he’s named after a German politician?
“As one GM summed it up, “Bismack Biyombo played one-against-none today … and he lost.”
Ouch . . . I saw that video, give me Seraphin any time. Of course, Keveeeen is not much of a rebounder, but do we know that Bismarck is?
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jun 15, 2011 4:57 PM EDT reply actions
RIght my mistake. OK I saw some Youtube. Draft this guy, please please draft him. Not some small forward who can’t shoot, a small forward who can’t shoot is USELESS.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jun 15, 2011 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
And with Ndiaye, Seraphin, and Biyombo, we could have the all-Africa team.
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jun 15, 2011 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They are similarly shaped, so I can see the confusion.
by MR on Jun 16, 2011 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Seraphin is shaped like South America?
Pierre is the smooth operator. @JaValeMcGee34 is the monster you've grown to know on the court.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jun 16, 2011 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
dayum, he seriously needs a diet then...
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 16, 2011 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Mike, do you have some information that we don't?
What is the word on Biyambo? Are you starting to hear rumblings? There seems to be a renewed interest for someone who has yet to actually make it on our draft board? Jimmer is even in front of him?
First time poster
I have been a fan for awhile, but this is my first time posting. Here is an interesting article on Bismack Biyombo by Chad Ford.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2011/columns/story?columnist=ford_chad&page=Biyombo-110614
by SamFisher on Jun 15, 2011 5:55 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
Per the article — He claims that he has been practicing all day, every day, since the age of 14 (so I guess that would make 4 years of nonstop practice), yet he still can’t make a jump shot. I guess it’s possible, but jeez….assuming that’s true, there’s very little hope for him ever obtaining a jump shot, then.
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Frankly, his lack of skill would make more sense to me if someone told him at 18 that he’s an athletic freak and should play basketball…basically learning it as an adult; and at 22 he’s still trying to develop an offensive game.
by Tbonebullets on Jun 15, 2011 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why shoot jumpers when you can dunk?
Especially as a 16 year old, 17 year old, etc.
Not saying it’s right, but can see how that happens.
by Max Zamphirescu on Jun 16, 2011 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Do we need Big Smack?
Bismack would be a redundant pick. Seraphin can be just as much an enforcer inside. He won’t block as many shots as Mr. Biyombo but he can prevent his man from getting to his “spot”.
IMHO, Serafin also has the makings of a good back- to-hoop game. I think that he is unique on the team in that he uses a hook shoot which utilizes his size. And if he attacks the rim better he’ll get to the line more and might average double figures eventually. Not that he’ll ever be the second coming of Adrian Dantley, but there is hope for Monsieur Kevin.
He may have been a little out of shape last year so with a little more conditioning, coaching and maturity. (How old is he? 20?) he’d be much more effective on both ends of the floor (and not foul as much).
Use the Pick 6 on some speedy wing who can help us at both baskets (e.g. Kawhi)
we can afford them both. good problem to have. blatche will be traded by this time next year one way or another
he either listens to ted and is gone like arenas
or he doesnt and we take a hit to get rid of him
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions
why not both?
Seraphin’s jumpshot and evolving pick and pop game make him a threat further out on the floor. Bismack can roam the paint. I actually think they compliment each other while giving us 2 young, physical, bangers inside.
Bingo
Two 6’9 ‘big men’ is not workable.
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"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 16, 2011 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Why do many not like Hamilton?
I know he takes terrible shots but most of them go in and he is a good shooter from behind the arc. He fits well with the Wizards offensively.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Because he takes terrible shots?
Uh……………… Is there some OTHER reason needed?
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
But they go in.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Here's another reason
From DraftExpress:
Probably the weakest aspect of Hamilton’s game right now is his defensive presence. His fundamentals are extremely poor, as he regularly bites on pump-fakes, gambles for steals, falls down mid-possession, and is very upright in his stance, making it easy for opponents to blow by him. His lateral quickness looks average at best, and his intensity level isn’t very high to compensate for that, as he just isn’t physical enough, and doesn’t seem to take very much pride in shutting down his man.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 15, 2011 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
So
If the Wizards want to go back to a team full of Offense only, inefficient shooters who play NO defense (Arenas, Butler, Jamison, etc…) – then by all means, they should pick Hamilton…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Then Hamilton or Thompson?
If defense is the reason to not draft Hamilton then why not say the same with Klay Thompson (if you haven’t already).
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
I think I've been pretty clear on who I like in this draft
For pick #2 (If the Wizards can trade JaVale McGee for the pick straight up)
Derrick Williams
For pick #3 (If the Wizards can trade the #6 for Okur and the #3)
Kanter
For pick #6
Kanter (if he’s still available)
Vesely
Chris Singleton (that’s a reach, but I believe he’s worth it)
Marcus Morris
For pick #18
Tyler Honeycutt (plays good defense. Excellent standstill catch and shoot jumper. Good Passer)
Nicola Vucavic (Big body. Nice jump shot. Good FT shooter. Decent defender)
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
So Vesely, Leonard and Biyombo are not even on you're board at # 6
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
oops
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Its a weak draft yes, but if there are 2 or 3 players at the top that could really help you
Isnt that exactly the reason why you should move up? I mean the fact that this is a weak draft overall makes me less interested in the mediocrity that is the lower picks and more in the top 3.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
In a weak draft...
a poorly run organization will look at the players and say – "Well, it’s a weak draft, so we’ll just take the best player available..
The great organizations look for opportunities… Even in a “weak” draft, there are very good players to be had. Even in the worst draft in recent memory, the 2001 Kwame Brown draft – there were All-Star quality players – Pau Gasol, Joe Johnson, Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas and Gerald Wallace and terrific role players like Shane Battier, Mehmet Okur and Brendan Haywood.
A great organization would look at the top of this draft, and see 3 or 4 potential All-Star type players (Derrick Williams, Irving, Kanter, Valanciunas) and a ton of very good role players (Singleton, Tyler Honeycutt, Vucevic, and about 10 others)…. and that organization would try to MAXIMIZE their take from this “weak” draft.
In my opinion, it wouldn’t take much to walk away from this draft with Derrick Williams PLUS Valancinuas or Kanter PLUS Vucevic or Honeycutt….
Trade McGee to Minnesota for the #2 pick… Take on Okur and swap the #6 for the #3 pick. Perhaps purchase a mid-late first round pick for cash….
A good organization would be aggressive in pursuit of players that they know will improve the team….
I’m hoping the Wizards are that “good organization” (Like they were last year)…. I hope they’re aggressive in pursuing the best talent in this year’s draft … – AND I hope they’re not the poor organization that we’ve been accustomed to in the past – just taking what’s left when it’s their turn to pick….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 16, 2011 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Plus in 2K1
JRich
Richard Jefferson
Zach Randolph
Troy Murphy
Nocioni
by MR on Jun 16, 2011 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
good organizations also don't panic
and try to solve every problem they have through a single draft, one considered somewhat lousy at that. Sometimes the best move if the one you don’t make!
personally i think Kanter will be there at 6th and we can just take him without giving up anything. If he’s not, we can pick from amongst who is left and just hope/pray EG isnt serious about Vesely
by DCrez on Jun 16, 2011 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
let me add that's how i feel this morning
other times i think we should move up if EG likes Kanter
But I'm not just talking about Kanter....
If the Wizards trade with Minnesota – they could draft Williams – the ONE player in this draft that is an almost “can’t miss”….. And one of the very few that has All-Star potential….
So – Yes… The Bullets of old would have sat tight… waited until the teams above them took all the best players, and they would have chosen the BPA
Like in 1992 when they took Tom Gugliotta with #6, and Shaq and Alonzo Mourning were drafted #1 and 2…
Or like in 1992 when they took Calbert Cheaney 6th, with Penny Hardaway, Chris Weber and Jamal Mashburn already off the board…
Or again in 2002 when they took Jared Jeffries with the 11th pick, after Yao Ming, Amare and Nene were already drafted….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'd say that the Wizards/Bullets
have done fairly poorly when holding a mid-Lottery pick – and when they “stand pat” and draft BPA
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
No one in the history of the nba would have traded the #1
pick when SHAQ was in the draft. Zo was a clear cut #1 in any other year, there was no way the Bullets could have moved up to those spots.
The very reason there is so much potential activity available this year is that no one is particularly high on any of these players, outside Williams apparently.
That's certainly what jumped out to me...
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
his profile reads like Nick 2.0
such a gifted scorer they’re really not bad shots
He is a way better rebounder than NY.
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
Nah...
More like Al Thornton, without the defensive intensity.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
+1 Rook
Hamilton is terrible defensively.
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Jun 15, 2011 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Could someone explain to me
why there is so much splitting of hairs on Kanter when the guy has already said that he wants to play here and he and John Wall want to team up?
If Kanter was from the second tier of draftees that may make sense, but he is in the mix at the top of the draft. If instant chemistry with the franchise player is not enough to throw Kanter over the top and stop all of this splitting of hairs then I don’t know what would be.
This reads more like people trying to build Fantasy teams and earn points than a discussion about building an actual team of actual people with actual chemistry.
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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
by HSLex on Jun 15, 2011 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I think you're missing the point...
the fact that this pick is at the top of the draft makes people split hairs about Kanter—as they should. Not to be too over-dramatic, but this pick at 6 (or wherever it ends up) will be a team changing pick, affecting the state of our team for the next 4+ years. Whether you think we need a game-changing star or a solid role player, the point remains that this person will be a HUGE piece in our team for years to come. If we do not do our due diligence in dissecting every aspect of every possible draftee’s game, then we will not know what pick is best. This holds doubly true if, as in Kanter’s case, there is very limited material to judge off of. With very limited material, everything needs to be looked at even closer, so we can properly make the right pick. The fact that Kanter is good friends with Wall is definitely a bonus, no question, but that doesn’t mean that Josh Harrellson would be deserving of our top pick. Also, chemistry is not something that can be too easily assessed, and the thought that Kanter’s chemistry with Wall equals chemistry with the team as a whole is just as wrong as thinking any player who did not play with or have friendship to Wall will have no chemistry with him at all. I think the complimentary games of Kanter and JaVale is more important than the Kanter-Wall chemistry. (note, I am very for drafting Kanter, and potentially moving up to do so—I just think we should explore all possible avenues and dissect all possible aspects of his (and everyone else’s) game.)
by Joe_G on Jun 15, 2011 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I appreciate your comments, Joe_G
and I would definitely not be in favor of letting the franchise PG talk the team into moving a guy up from “Top 15” all the way to “Top 5” or anything like that. It is only because Kanter is already up near the top that I am even questioning any of this.
Mistakes are frequently made near the top of drafts, no? How often does the hair splitting help that out- or even turn out to be accurate? Hell, Kanter could turn out to be a mistake… any of them could. But that is the point with this particular draft: who knows?!
At the end of the day, when guys walk back onto the court after a timeout late in the game I want a group that truly wants to go to war… with each other. The guys have to want it. If drafting Kanter to team up with Wall means a little bit of a shortcut in that regard, then I say move up a little to get him and get on with it.
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"I watch (UK) every night... I am going to support them for the rest of my life. I'm a Wildcat for the rest of my life." -- JWall, 2/8/11
kanter has a history of knee issues, and might be a couple years older than he's listed
but for some reason i’m more concerned that he looks a little like zaza pachulia.
by DarrellWalkerFan on Jun 15, 2011 6:42 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Wow... this again?
The “knee issues” were improperly reported… as twitted by DX ….
His knees checked out fine at the combine… and he posted decent athletic testing numbers….
GREAT – Now let’s pass on Kanter (like we did on DeJuan Blair) not because of an ACUTAL medical problem, but based solely on an unsubstantiated Internet rumor…..
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
of course his knees checked out. he did not play in a game in over a year!
it remains a concern until you see him play some games on that knee. of course, by then, it is too late. i take him at six but not in a trade up to two or three.
and blair had major knee surgery removing cartilege in one knee almost entirely. they are not sure if he will even play five years. it is not the same as kanter. he is not falling into the second round.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL.
He’s born in Zurich, Switzerland on may 6th, 1992, so yes we know how old he is from a reliable country. Unless you think Switzerland is a third world country of course.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions
oops, may 20th
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
see you arent even sure and you are american lol ;)
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
haha no dude, i'm Dutch.... You might have noticed from my screen name
and my poor writing skills ;-)
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm from Zurich actually
and if switzerland is very very good organized country! I’m pretty sure it’s his real age unless maybe they got me worng to and instead of being 20 i’m 30 or so ;)
zurich is stained
it’s not my fault
by ReturnofBillyJOe on Jun 16, 2011 6:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Heh
isn’t that in North Africa or something?
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 16, 2011 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I've never heard of Switzerland
is that in Africa?
Why is Kanter falling to 6?
We should think about that. If other teams think the two young euros are better picks than Kanter, we shouldn’t necessarily be excited about him lasting to 6.
I would trade with Utah if we could get the 12th pick, too for Singleton.
by segastyle on Jun 15, 2011 7:01 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Well – part of it is fit….
Minnesota at #2 – already has Love and Beasley – and if they actually use the #2 pick, they’ll take Williams.
The Jazz need a PG and a SG… They are LOADED in the front court with Al Jefferson, Okur, Derrick Favors and Paul Milsap… They don’t need Kanter. I think they’ll choose Brandon Knight.
At #4 is Cleveland – They very well could take Kanter… An Irving/Kanter draft would put them well on their rebuilding way…. They could also go for Valanciunas here… Greater size than Kanter, higher upside… But there’s always the problem with his buy out.
At #5 is Toronto – they DO need front court help – and could choose either Kanter, Vesely or Valanciunas… They also covet a PG – so they might opt for Brandon Knight if Utan doesn’t take him, otherwise they’ll probably take Vesely or Valanciunas. (higher upside/higher bust potential than Kanter)
And then there’s Washington – Needs everywhere except PG…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I disagree. no team in the top five are good enough to not take him if he is bpa on their board
because he can play center. and everyone of the teams ahead of us need a center.
if he falls to us, it is because they chose to pass on him, not because of duplicating other players on their team.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
because he has no game tape and is not working out against other players
the fall of the unknown…
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Why Biyombo
I think Biyombo will have more impact on defense than Kanter will on offense.
Besides being an excellent individual and team defender, he also has an overabundance of enthusiasm on the defensive side of the ball. That is infectious. That’s the type of attitude and intangibility that you want in a high pick.
Kanter won’t even schedule workouts against other players even though teams haven’t seen him play in a year. He may still be a good player, but I like what Biyombo brings to the table.
by segastyle on Jun 15, 2011 7:10 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Kanter has been going against other players
He worked out with Tristan Thompson and Marcus Morris for Cleveland and now he may be available at 6th, hmm…
he is working out in mInnesota with Derrick Williams tomorrow
right. last minute change in strategy to stop the slide. good move on his part
do you know who we are bringing in to work out with him?
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
or did it cause the slide? That would be my worry.
No, I think we saw him in chicago whereas Cleveland and Minny get him in their gyms with whatever other players they have coming in. Man I would LOVE to see DWill and Kanter go at it…they both know stakes, can imagine it will be intense
well. we know he did not work out against others. and he slid. cant prove cause and effect
but he is working out against players at the top of the lottery. Will he do so with us???
we get him on Friday
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Look - I'm as high on Defense as anyone here...
If you read my posts – you’ll know that one of the FIRST things I look at in a player is whether he can defend… Having an Offense only player on your team (Antawn Jamison, Gilbert Arenas, Steve Nash, etc…) means that the rest of the players on the team have to work that much harder on Defense – OR you have a situation like we had in 2005-07 where the Wizards just outscored everyone, but couldn’t get past the first round in the Playoffs…..
Defense ONLY players provide the same difficulty… That means that 5 opponents can guard your 4 offensive players – causing problems, disrupting the offense… A guy like Biyombo, who can’t even make a 5-foot jump shot, has ZERO post moves, can’t dribble and had difficulties passing without turning the ball over…is a LIABILITY on the Offensive side of the floor. He can’t shoot. He can’t dribble. He has no basketball skills. That means that on offense, his defender can slack off him, and help out on someone else…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
by Rook6980 on Jun 15, 2011 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
what makes him a defensive only player over his career is only in bias
every player with an offensive game in the nba developed one. no one was born with a jump hook, fade away, or any other offensive move.
the top scouts will tell you that building defensive intensity in a player that has not shown a strong desire to play defense is harder to develop than an offensive arsenal for a player that is missing one entering the league.
he is not today who he will be in the future. and i think he is young, smart, and focused enough that JW can motivate to learn a move or two.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
and I would also add and argue the fact that his private workout was 80% offense strongly indicates it is an aspect of his game that he acknowledges needs improving.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben Wallace
Jared Jeffries
Michael Ruffin
Charles Jones
And those are just the ex-Bullets/Wizards that I can think of… NOT EVERY PLAYER develops an Offensive game.
To draft a one-way player, no matter how good he is on the defensive end, is inviting other teams to double team John Wall, or Nick Young, or Jordan Crawford, or anyone else on the Wizards that is shooting well that night…. and foul up the offensive flow.
He will be an offensive liability…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
of course not every defensive player develops an offensive game as you so easily pointed out.
the player you pair him with matters. Dirk and Chandler did pretty well. If he lacks offense, you need another front court player that can score.
What is interesting about him is that could be a center or PF because he could play both positions in the NBA. That makes him much less risky than any of the single position players you noted.
Or you simply have to believe he will develop something in time. Why wouldnt he. He seems to have a solid head on his shoulders from the interviews I have seen. He seems to know his place and what he needs to work on. Why do you think his private workout was 80% offense? I suspect it is because he gets that he has to improve in that area.
Will he? well, he launched onto the radar and moved up leagues pretty quickly. And he plays with a heavy motor apparantly. So it seems to me that it is reasonable to believe he will put in the time and effort to develop some move.
And if he is a lock down defender, ala Mutombo or Camby, we can nab a really promising prospect in next years lottery- sullinger, davis, mcadoo, henson, and both joneses are projected top 10 next year. there are a lot to choose from.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Chandler is not an offensive self-check, dude
Granted, its not his specialty but defenses have to account for him.
Biyombo however, is a self-check in the NBA, at least until he develops some actual offensive skills. The question is, has he shown anything that suggests he will? I’m not sure he has. The guy says he has been practicing on a daily basis for four straight yrs and he has nothing to show for it.
"My logic fails all the time...especially when talking to females" Rook6980
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to dougie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
he was when he entered the league
do you really believe he has been practicing all day for four years? He was also on a professional team and they might have asked him to do other things…like learn the game, his postion, how to play his role on the team.
i dont believe for one sec he practiced all day for four years on his offensive game.
so chandler was self check when he entered the league and developed out of it. why cant biyombo? regardless, he can still dunk the putbacks, alley oops, etc-
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
not sure of your point
but regardless, you have to put a body on all the guys we are discussing or they will alley oop you to death. they dont have moves, but they can score around the basket if you do not guard them.
And they will score 6-12 points a game, like you noted with Chandler
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, but if Biyombo is an elite-level rebounder and shotblocker, he is worth it
As the Mavs showed in the playoffs, having players that are elite-level talents in one or two areas is indispensable. Combined with a great coach, the Mavs were able to stifle some teams and ‘out-score’ others by having players specialize in one or two areas.
A player like JJ Barea should’ve been toasted on defense, at 5 freaking 9. Against the most athletic team in the NBA. Jason Kidd is 38 and can’t score unless he has a wide-open 3. DeShawn Stevenson has no offensive game, but can hit the open 3. Same with Peja, though he can’t even play defense. Tyson Chandler has less of an offensive game than even our own Javale McGee.
Biyombo needs to be guarded because he’s explosive and can dunk, as Wall has the vision, passing ability and pass-first mentality to find the open guy. He would be more of a threat to score THIS SEASON than someone like Chris Singleton, simply because Biyombo will be around the basket and can get easy dunks if left open. Singleton if left open isn’t even much of a threat to score on an open jumper.
Biyombo would be a perfect fit for a team with Blatche, or a similarly score-first ‘finesse’ 4. He won’t need touches to be effective and he won’t be high usage (especially important with Wall, Young, Crawford, Blatche, even McGee all needing shots). He’ll do the dirty work down low, which is exactly what we need. If he can play like a more explosive Kevin Love (as he talks about, in terms of being a smart player in the best position for rebounds) on defense, the increase in defensive rebounds should only lead to more transition easy-buckets. When McGee was taken out of games last year, particularly by the end of the year when his shotblocking had become a national sensation, teams were far more likely to drive on us and punish us in the paint. Biyombo’s presence means that this will happen less. He’ll be the intimidator and physical defensive presence that we don’t possess.
And McGee and Biyombo on the court at the same time would undeniably be the most athletic front court in the NBA. It’s tough to imagine their ceiling three years from now. They’ll be able to alter more shots than any duo in the league, nevermind the eye-popping block shots that show up on the stat sheet. Defensively, they’re a perfect foil for the drive-first, drive-second mentality of Wade and Lebron. And offensively, McGee will be forced to play more like a power-forward, which I think best suits his mentality and will more quickly progress his post-game and short jumper.
On a team 4 years from now, I think a Biyombo with 4 years of NBA experience absolutely has a spot on a championship level team in a 9-man rotation. Particularly given that offensive moves are the most coachable attribute — rather than heart, desire, physicality, athleticism, work ethic, and to a lesser degree rebounding and shot blocking. Biyombo’s potential is limitless. Even his basement is as a defensive, rebounding-minded role player, which is absolutely something this team needs (and every team needs).
Not to mention that he has outstanding character, is exceedingly mature, and by all accounts has a tremendous work ethic. You don’t get to where he is today, from where he was even a year ago (let alone 3), without it. These are all attributes that we need in the lockerroom, and all point to the likelihood that he will continue to develop and add pieces to his game every season. As a backup plan to Kanter, I think we could do much, much worse, while we add our star starting wing in next year’s draft and get another role player who is more solid but less raw at #18
by Max Zamphirescu on Jun 16, 2011 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Also have to add
If Biyombo spends the next 3 years with NBA coaching learning a spin move and a jump hook, wouldn’t he have developed a pretty good spin move and jump hook by his 4th year? With someone of his athleticism who will play strictly in the low post, he won’t need an arsenal of offensive moves, especially when he learns how to throw a good pump fake and can take a step and get to the basket.
by Max Zamphirescu on Jun 16, 2011 1:36 AM EDT up reply actions
The thought of a McGee-Biyombo frontline is frightening....
both for what it potentially could do… and what it can’t do… but it would be quite something to watch.
Ted's blog after 37 blocks in a 48-43 win:
ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED??
for what it potentially could do… and what it can’t do
Make sure Nick Young and Jordan Crawford are in the game, and there will be no problem getting shots off, ha!
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 16, 2011 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Yeah , perfect…. Two guys that are terrible when confronted with a double team… playing with two guys that the other team can leave so they can double team….
Yeah – I could see many, many nights when the Wizards would only score 60 points…. with a line up of McGee, Biyombo, Young, Crawford and Wall….
But at least Young and Crawford would get plenty of experience on how to deal with double teams….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
sixty? lol
We still have AB. And we are adding a wing this year, esp if Ernie gets his wish and can move Lewis. And it might be wall, young, #18, williams, biyombo
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
do you really think biyombo will go his whole career with JW kicking him in the ass to develop an offensive move?
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
No
I think he’ll be traded 3-years into his career… and in 5 years will be out of the League…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
and chad ford thinks he and irving are the only all star prospects in this draft
welcome to the world of uncertainty!
if he can rebound and hold his position in the nba, i would be shocked if he is out of the league in five years- shocked- especially if he is a shot blocker.
you obviously do not think he will do that because there is a long list of players that stay in this league and that is all they can do. and one of them is getting fitted for a ring as we ponder this
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well...perhaps not out of the league...
Certainly guys like Michael Ruffin made a career out of being a good role player and a career 1.7 points per game scorer….. play some defense… rebound….
Ruffin lasted 9 years… Maybe Biyombo can last that long too….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Biyombo looks REALLY good on defense though
and someone that good at defense will have a place in the league I think, especially if he can play above the rim and get easy dunks, putbacks etc etc.
by Young Wook Lee on Jun 16, 2011 5:54 AM EDT up reply actions
He is a different and better prospect than Ruffin lol
you really do not like him. I have not seen enough of him to know anything, but i do like his attitude, maturity, drive, intensity, leadership. He is reflective and saying the right things.
I think he is a good prospect for us at six. There are others I like too as you know. But if we keep six, I dont think we will have a choice. It will be one of Williams, Jonas, Kanter, Biyombo, Vesley
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
unless we trade up for two or three also. in which case it could be one of the small forwards
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Bo Outlaw had a 16 year career averaging 5 and 5
BB will average more than 5 and 5
Look, if Rook does not like him, he will beat him into the dirt. If he loves him, he will turn him into the next savior of the free world. He is passionate in his opinions. He doesnt like BB.
I feel he is a better prospect than either Ruffin and Bo Outlaw ever were.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Going against the grain:
I’m not sold on Kanter. I won’t be unhappy if we get him, but I won’t think he’s God’s gift to the Wizards, either. From the (admittedly) limited video I’ve seen, I prefer Valanciunas. Mostly, it’s because he’s a better defender. I might even take Kawahi Leonard over Kanter. Defense is important, and Kanter is not a particularly good defender.
Biyombo is intriguing, and might be worth a flier at 18. You gamble at that spot regardless. But from what I’ve seen, the guy is really, really raw. I can see him riding the pine more than Seraphin did this past season. I do see Biyombo as being the most overrated, over-hyped player in the draft.
Trading #6 + some other asset for #3 makes very little sense to me. If you’re going up, go for Derrick Williams, or don’t go at all. I’d be more interested in seeing the Wizards pick up another, lower pick in the 1st round.
Anyway, if there’s one thing that all the discussion on this board has shown (and there’s been some great discussion, btw), it’s that whomever we get at #6, he’s going to be pretty good. This was described at one time as a 3-player draft. Clearly, that isn’t the case.
Maybe its still a 3 player draft and we are
1. Buying into the smokescreens from several GM’s somewhat
2. Overvalue lower tier players just beceause we talk about them so much and there are no better ones
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 15, 2011 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
well even if it is a three player draft…chances are very good they wont go 1-2-3 and one of them will be there at 6. so go ernie
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
In terms of "sure things", it may be a 1-player draft
Or a no-player draft. But that’s what makes this draft kind of fun: the lack of really obvious choices opens things up a little.
My very first thought when we fell to 6
Was helllllooooo Bismack. Obviously if Kanter falls, we take him. But why not take a chance on a guy that could be an anchor and tone-setter for a team.
Everyone’s view of him is Ben Wallace. Now that is a very optimistic view of anybody as far as defense goes. Not unrealistic however. My thing is, let’s say he is 3/4 of what Ben was defensively, is it really possible to he as bad on offense as Ben Wallace? I mean we just saw Tysons Chandler make a serious impact, on offense, by working hard and being smart.
I like Bismack as a sleeper as one of the most valuable guys from this draft in a few years. Too bad having a guy like Javale pretty much totally deters our front office from actually picking him.
Ohhh my God.
Where is my FACE? I CANT FEEL MY FACE!!!
by returnofswagger on Jun 15, 2011 9:45 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
we should barring a better prospect (jonas, wiliams, etc)
this is the draft to shoot for the fences. you are not passing on a superstar to take the shot
by les boulez bomber on Jun 15, 2011 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Read in the wash post that john wall, ted and grunfeld were seen eating together this week
(at a local restaurant in my hometown of Rockville which is awesome on its own)
I might be making bad assumptions here but gotta think they talked about his opinions on the roster and who to draft. Probably included whether he’d want to do the McGee for Williams trade or any other trade. Overall, if they are asking his opinions it means he’s probably behind what happens on draft day. He seems to have a great head on his shoulders, is wise beyond his years, so if John’s happy, I’m happy. I believe the kid knows what it takes to be a winner.
though i guess its also possible the 3 are just friends and were just hanging out..
ted wrote about it on Ted's Take
I have no good signature ideas.
by Juice over Whine on Jun 15, 2011 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I think his opinion is heard, but he isnt "probably behind what happens on draft day"
He is still a kid, a player. He isn’t a scout, he doesn’t know much about how good or bad Jan Vesely has played in Belgrade this yr. He hasn’t seen more college basketball than we did with his schedule (except for Kentucky games I would imagine)
If they really are thinking about trading McGee or and/or others, John’s view on things is something to take notice of if you’re Ernie. That’s a good thing but letting the kid run the business is a bad idea.
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by Dutch Hoopfan on Jun 16, 2011 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sorry I meant behind as in he supports
And the teds take post makes me like the guy even more
by hb_321 on Jun 16, 2011 8:59 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I think they want to involve him but not defer to him
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions
FWIW
This guy from Fox Sports – Ohio says we’re still trying to move up, even using the term “desperately” to describe our efforts
* One team desperately trying to move up is Washington. The Wizards own the sixth pick and would love to land No. 2, with which they would draft Williams to team him with guard John Wall.
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meanwhile Pierre tours China...unaware of his impending move to Minnesota??
to me, desperate means they would trade Mcgee and it’s a matter of if Kahn wants to do it.
Yea "desperate" is such an interesting adjective
to throw out there unless there may really be something there….I dunno.
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
another FWIW
JGivony from DX updated his Mock via Yahoo: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AvvWaJ6ActAnUyBqOx6aSsq8vLYF?slug=ycn-8648301
There is talk that Minnesota has offered Washington a swap of the Nos. 2 and 6 picks in a package that includes JaVale McGee, but that appears unlikely unless the Timberwolves part with more assets.
Um yeah its going to take a lot more than that.
Seriously, what a joke.
No way Ernie bites on that without next year’s unprotected first from Minny.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 16, 2011 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Then next year's
There’s just no value they really have to offer us otherwise…
by Bullet Nation in Exile on Jun 16, 2011 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Would the #2 and Martell Webster or Wesley Mathews be appealing?
for JaVale and 6?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't want the Wizards to give up the #6 pick AND JaVale...
That;’s too much…
JaVale is worth the #2 pick straight up….
Stand firm Ernie !!!
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
I'm with you on this
Just tweeted the same thing…I would prefer to have the 2 and 6 if we lose JaVale….I have to admit I’m really coming around to this! Although I like trades and movement, so I don’t know how much of the excitement is due to me just liking the fact that we’re doing something
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Actually
Your scenario a month or so back that gave us picks 2 and 3 now seems QUITE attainable…although Utah may start to worry that Toronto could steal Brandon Knight from them at 5
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
That may be overkill though
Given that could fall to us at 6 anyway
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Even so
Taking on Okur for ONE year…. fits right in with the Wizards rebuilding plan…
1. He’d be on a short term contract (one year left)
2. He’d be bringing in another asset (the #3 pick).
3. He’s a veteran BIG that still has a little left in the tank (Great pick-n-pop, good defender)
4. He’s a Turk – and could mentor Kanter (He grew up watching and cheering for Okur)
Okur has had injury problems the last several years… He had a ruptured Achilles’ tendon… and has back problems that are probably chronic… But since they only need a veteran big for 10-12 minutes a night, Okur seems like a perfect fit…
Utah saves $11 Million off the impending hard cap THIS year… and they can move down to #6 to get Knight or Kemba Walker….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Why not get Okur's salary off their hands while their at it?
From the District of Columbia, home of the hyperbolic paraboloid transitional floating zone defense.
why would we take his salary if we can just draft Kanter at 6th anyway?
since in this scenario Utah doesnt want him anyway?
Because there are two teams ahead of the Wizards that may take Kanter….
Both Cleveland and Toronto
If Cleveland takes Irving #1 – Williams will be long gone before Cleveland picks again at #4 – They will look to take the best big man available… That means a choice between Kanter, Valanciunas (still has buy-out issues), and Vesely (not especially a “big” big man)
And anyone that thinks Toronto couldn’t use a big, tough, strong, bruising, rebounding, post presence to play along side Bargniani – isn’t thinking straight.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Bargniani = Bargnani
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
i dont know....i'd really hope that frickin Max Ergul
doesnt manage to make EG bid against himself for a player that is looking more and more likely to be available. It doesnt appear Kanter is a hot commodity anymore…but as long as that $11mill doesnt effect re-upping Nick, I suppose it’s worth it to ensure getting the guy you want
Okur won't play up to his contract...
But since the Wizards need a Veteran big man anyway…………….
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
but seriously
as long as his $11mill doesnt affect Nick’s situation, why not spend the money if the space is there
Jonas is the better long term prospect compared to Kanter. The buyout will be known before the draft. And it wont be an issue. It will be spread out over the years in a multiyear buyout. They have been saying that all along.
by les boulez bomber on Jun 16, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
I’d like to see #2 for McGee. I still think McGee could be an all-star, but I’m not sure we can build a team with him. But I’m on the fence enough that I wouldn’t even throw in Ndiaye. Javale is probably worth more than the #2 to most teams in the league. I’m just not convinced he’s worth more than that for us.
Pierre is the smooth operator. @JaValeMcGee34 is the monster you've grown to know on the court.
by Elvin_is_my_Elvis on Jun 16, 2011 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
This may get me laughed at but this is "family" so whatever
How does Josh Harrelson project as a pro?
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
He may not even be drafted...
At best, he’s a mid-late second round pick… He’s 6’10" with some decent length… He’s a pretty good rebounder… and a decent passer – and he had a terrific Tournament. But he’s not exactly the kind of big man that turns heads… He’s slow footed. Not especially quick. He’ll have trouble defending in the NBA… and he doesn’t bring anything offensively.
My guess is that he plays professionally overseas…
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Thanks, Rook
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Michael Lee is talking about it too...
This must be getting serious.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wizards-insider/post/wizards-still-working-to-move-up/2011/06/16/AGW5sGXH_blog.html#pagebreak
TNT should've treated Lebron's return to Cleveland game like 2k11 and cut the game off after the Cavs were down by 30. lol
what would seem to be the 800pound gorilla in the room
Cleveland may take Williams, and I dont see how EG could know that until they select. So I guess the deal would have to be on the table dependent on who the Cavs choose?
Good point
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions
is Irving even working out?
sounds like DWilliams is going around the country just tearing it up
Looks like he has
Did catch this on Bleacher Report:
I came across this story on Fox Sports Ohio where Irving says that he has spoken to a few teams, but he will only work out for the Cleveland Cavaliers…..http://bleacherreport.com/articles/735807-2011-nba-draft-is-kyrie-irving-making-a-mistake-only-working-out-for-cleveland
And this from Hoops World…
The Cavaliers were able to get Kyrie Irving in for a workout last week without a lot of fanfare. They also worked out and met this week with Derrick Williams. The Cavaliers have also worked out Enes Kanter and are talking about workouts with Kawhi Leonard and several others…. http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?STORY_ID=20142#ixzz1PRrxhtsO
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by WorldWiEdWard on Jun 16, 2011 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
If Cleveland is smart
They take D Williams 1st overall. He fills their biggest need and immediately steps in at the forward position that was vacated by Bron Bron! Then at #4 take Knight.
a starting lineup of Knight, Parker, Williams, Hickson, Varejao.
That only works if you project Williams as a SF
Most people believe he will have difficulties guarding NBA Small Forwards, which is why they project him as a PF… Also Parker is an unrestricted Free Agent… and I doubt he 35-year old will want to be part of Cleveland’s rebuild… I think he’ll look at perhaps joining Miami, or another Playoff team looking for a Shooting Guard off the bench.
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Well I hope
Cleveland takes Williams 1st, so Ernie doesn’t do something stupid like trade McGee for the 2nd pick.
by Wyler98 on Jun 16, 2011 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Is Knight a bonafide "can't miss" POINT GUARD?
I doubt it and my guess is that Cleveland is also going to doubt it. They will take Irving at #1.
#2 Pick plus Qualifying rights to Yi Jianlin for JaVale McGee and Johnny Flynn
That’s my draft trade prediction.
you cant trade the rights?
I’d have to Check that out. I think you can as long as the qualifying offer is ok.
by jmpalomo on Jun 16, 2011 3:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I just re-read Scott Howard Cooper's piece on NBA.com
And I’m even more convinced we should take Biyombo at 6.
Biyombo talks like he really wants to get after it and dominate in this league. The limited evidence so far that we’ve seen at the Nike Summit shows that he backs up what he says, so I’d draft him.
That's why its called talk...
Because its talk.
Am I the only one who doesn't like his stats?
People keep harping on his 4th best rebounds per minute in the second best league, but lets take a look at some of his other numbers.
SUMMARY
TEAM G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
Illescas 14 299 126 50-85 0-0 26-53 37 52 89 7 37 27 7 45
AVERAGE
Illescas 14 21.4 9.0 58.8% 0.0% 49.1% 2.6 3.7 6.4 0.5 2.6 1.9 0.5 3.2
Season: 2010-2011 (Spain )
SUMMARY
TEAM G MIN PTS 2FGP 3FGP FT RO RD RT AS PF BS ST TO
Fuenlabrada 14 232 90 32-58 0-0 26-47 27 44 71 4 28 32 5 24
AVERAGE
Fuenlabrada 14 16.6 6.4 55.2% 0.0% 55.3% 1.9 3.1 5.1 0.3 2.0 2.3 0.4 1.7
Here’s what I see, a lot of turnovers, a lot of fouls, a lot of rebounds and not a great free throw shooter. What made Ben Wallace so special is that he was undrafted. I just don’t see why you would draft him at #6 unless your offense was already in place and were just looking for a defensive stopper.
If I had to defend Biyombo
Of the various qualities they list in his scouting reports, the one that impressed me the most was his reputed excellence in complex defensive rotations.
That’s not the kind of thing that necessarily shows up in terms of blocks or rebounds, but it’s hugely valuable to any team that wants a stingy defense, and it’s something that not all players figure out. McGee may never figure it out, however many blocks he gets.
I don’t love him, but you could convince me to take a gamble on him.
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