Andrew Bynum to Wiz
by macattack777 on May 9, 2011 5:09 PM EDT
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PrintSo, I'm not sure the exact numbers of the contracts that would be involved, but who would be behind some type of swap for Bynum? Is he worth the risk do you think? he's young, and if healthy could be another big building block with Wall and Crawford...I looove Mcgee, but I would be inclined to do a straightup deal for Bynum. This is most likely a pipe dream, but I would like Bynum in the new red, white and blue.
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They'd trade Gasul before Bynum at this point.
Bynum is finally starting to play like the bully he can easily be. That kid is just massive and a pretty good athlete, he is looking more and more like a guy who will just pound opposing frontlines. Of course, never know with his health….but he may be key to them returning to form
by DCrez on May 9, 2011 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
oh hell no
Not after that disgraceful attitude he displayed last night, hitting JJ while defenseless in the air like that and immediately taking off his jersey and walking out like a punk.
Dude also showed no emotion or remorse for that dirty hit. Doesnt seem like a high-character guy that Ted wants, to me.
by jsuh0 on May 9, 2011 5:46 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Definite punk move.
What do you think the over under is on the number of games he will be suspended for???
Gasol would fit better
Trading Blatche + Lewis + and our lotto pick for Gasol/Blake would make much more sense.
We’d still have our cap space.
Say we get the #4 pick… and its Kemba/Knight, we don’t need them but the Lakers sure do
Keep the lotto pick
just trade AB and RL for Pau and grab the lakers draft pick
this will keep the flexibilty looking very tangible for the wiz…..
Haha yeah sure beceause the lakers are that dumb
Maybe we should just trade our second round pick for Pau and rashard + AB for Howard!
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to douggie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on May 10, 2011 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure but they could/should get a better package then what you are offering
People often propose loopsided homer trades and expect the other party to foolishly agree with that, just beceause they need to deal a certain player.
Newsflash: if the lakers put one or two players on the block they will get other/better offers and go for those instead
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to douggie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on May 10, 2011 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions
not THAT desperate
He's "delightfully cranky"
I used to have super powers until my psychiatrist took them away.
Two weeks ago, this team was thought of as a winner and considered a contender.
Apperantly they were not thát good but the lakers are not thís bad also.
I think they will either make small adjustments (Fisher, Blake, Killer B’s trade for other role players) and be fine ór they’ll panic and do a complete makeover. If they do the latter a blockbuster deal wich lands them a Howard-kaliber superstar is likely.
Trading away big pieces with big contracts for role player-type quality (at best) with equally big contracts as you are proposing is not very likely from a Lakers point of view.
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to douggie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on May 10, 2011 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
imo they will move Pau
They have most likely given up on him while many other teams see him as a borderline great player. Moving him for assets is best way to gear up for a run at Dwight
I don't think its a very good trade for Orlando
Bynum makes almost as much as Howard and he can’t stay healthy and he is no where near the player Howard is. Even the Lakers draft picks are late round, so what is Orlando getting? The shaft? They are trading their franchise player and they are getting back a bunch of Laker junk.
The wiz can offer McGee and a lottery pick. I would rather have McGee than Bynum. The Wiz are in a better position to trade with Orlando. The Wiz can offer Blatche, McGee and a lottery pick. Who would you rather have? Bynum and his 23 game a year 14 mil contract and late 1st round picks? I don’t know if the Wiz would ever consider this but the Wiz, if they draft Kanter, will have replaced Blatche.
by hambonejackson on May 10, 2011 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
It's the Melo thing all over again...
in that Howard is going to NY or LA only. Or he’ll stay put. He has no interest in DC.
Bullets fan stuck in CO.
I don't think its the Melo trade all over again
NY gave Denver some good young players. Denver got younger while cutting payroll. Lakers don’t have that to offer Orlando. All the Lakers have is a gimpy kneed Bynum Another question is, what Lakers team is Howard going to? Phil Jackson is leaving so I suspect the team will begin to dismantle itself.Maybe NY is more likely for Howard.
You think he won’t come to DC, but Howard may not be moved until 2012-13. DC might look better after next season. After the next 2 drafts, the Wiz may be loaded with players and financially able to do some wheeling and dealing to make itself more attractive.
by hambone jackson on May 11, 2011 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
When he is playing
But then Denver scored 3 players who together made around what Bynum alone makes. They added youth and cut payroll. Orlando is getting a gimpy player and some trashy draft picks. They are not getting a full time starting 5 with Bynum. His numbers last season were less than 12 and 10.
My thinking is, Howard may not get traded until the last possible minute. So thats in 2013 and maybe the Lakers won’t look so desirable because they may be looking at a rebuild. On the other hand, Washington may look more desirable because its already rebuilt and is simply in the market for a franchise type player to get them over the top. Howard may want to play with Wall then and Washington will have the money and players to make something happen.
by hambone jackson on May 11, 2011 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Chandler is a free agent
Felton already has been complaining about PT and wants to start. That leaves Gallinari.
Need to sign Howard
McGee, Blatche and our lottery pick for Dwight Howard. That might interest Orlando, especially if our lottery pick turns out to be in the top three. But the bigger question is whether Howard wants to come here. Suppose the Wizards make that trade and then Howard doesn’t sign with us. He’d be free to walk away and make his own deal and we would have thrown away our future and some important assets. The Nets are in the same position now with Deron Williams. I’m not sure if Perkins ever signed with OKC but, if not, they’re in the same position. Any deal like this has to be done with a firm understanding from Howard that he’ll stay here.
Or moving him + plus assets
Is a great way to get Howard.
Lewis
Anytime you add him to a trade, you have to take back at least two players to even match his salary. A trade like the one you proposing is not realistic especially given the little amount of cap space they have.
by ThePGPhenomenon on May 10, 2011 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Lakers are not going to trade Bynum straight up for Mcgee
They’re looking at trading Bynum in some package for Dwight.
The last thing I need right now
is for you to go telling people my nightmares. I told you that in CONFIDENCE
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 9, 2011 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Ted Leonsis will NEVER trade for Andrew Bynum after that stunt.
The ten point plan is very clear on the no-jerk policy.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 9, 2011 9:55 PM EDT reply actions
And extending Blatche's contract last season was part of the ten point plan?
by PhenomenalSwag on May 9, 2011 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Have you read it?
Re-sign the best young players to long term high priced deals.
That’s exactly what he looked like, a cornerstone of the franchise.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 9, 2011 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He could always call Bynum a "throwback player"
an “old school” type. That foul was something….but given EVERY former player waxes nostalgic about “in my day, no layups” and on and on….i guess i dont dislike what he did as much as many people seem to
Bynum has a history of punk fouls. they always occur when the Lakers are being embarrassed by inferior teams
against the Timberwolves and Michael Beasley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU7RiLERJ-Y
against the Bobcats and Gerald Wallace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbcjL7AVxMA
by John Park Williams on May 10, 2011 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
That foul was not old school, not a playoff foul. There are clean hard fouls and there are dirty plays. It was dirty.
by MR on May 10, 2011 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
That foul wouldnt have gotten you suspended in previous eras.
Was surely dirty, no doubt there. But moreso than some of the elbows Mailman used to deliver?
If Seraphin had done that to Barrera, would we be down on him or would folks cheer him as bringing the toughness we always lament dray and mcgee lack?
IMO that foul was in another category.
A hard forearm to the body of a prone player while making no attempt at the ball at all.
That’s a suspendable offense in any era.
Malone’s elbows were always thrown in the context of making a play for the ball (as were Oakley’s, Rodman’s, Lambier’s etc). Sure they swung their elbows around and I don’t like that either, but it’s different from just clocking a guy.
by MR on May 10, 2011 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
It wasn't toughness.
It was a punk ### move. You just got swept. If you wanted to send a message, maybe send one before the series was over If you wanted to play tough, maybe you should have done that before the series was over. But instead, you choose to be classless and let your frustration get the best of you.
Look, this one hit will not define Bynum’s career or his person. He may be a nice guy or he may not. But what he did was bush league. There is not a single era where that wouldn’t be considered bush league. Not necessarily the “hardness” of the foul or the toughness that he demonstrated. More so his inability to lose with grace and like a man.
Kevin Seraphin laying the wood on Brandon Jennings with a legal pick
versus Seraphin spearing a helpless player in midair is not the same thing. No easy buckets, but no headhunting.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 10, 2011 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions
counterpoint
Why we love Ovechkin
The best player is an enforcer
by hambonejackson on May 10, 2011 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
A lot of those hits are dirty
The large number of questionable hits implicates him as a dirty player. He is the face of the Capitals and is, at best, reckless. He definitely has a few dirty hits on his resume. Therefore, to say that Ted would refuse to employ someone over one dirty hit is laughable.
Hockey is a contact sport
That IS acceptable, in the ‘old-school’ mode of thought. Basketball is NOT a contact sport, and that kind of deliberate thuggery has no place here.
by Bullet Nation in Exile on May 10, 2011 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll say that basketball is a contact sport (post ups, screens, picks)
but generally speaking you shouldn’t push someone under any circumstances.
I don't think we have anything they'd want
LA really needs some athleticism on the wing, a real point guard, and a shotblocker to take off the bench – basically Trevor Ariza, Jarret Jack, and Birdman. They could probably get those pieces somewhere else in a trade that would make a lot more sense for them.
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by pantslessyoda1 on May 10, 2011 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Exactly
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to douggie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on May 10, 2011 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Bynum is ridiculously over valued
Is he really worth 14 million? Whats McGee making next season? We could add in Wall and Blatche and that should come close to Bynums contract.
by hambonejackson on May 10, 2011 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Plus only one 70+ game season in 6 years . . .
And he has consistently averaged only about 52-55 games a year when he is healthy.
Unless you're giving us Wall, the Lakers will pretty much just hang up the phone
You guys don’t have a whole lot of assets we’d be interested in. Besides, I don’t think you can actually do the trade without including both Wall and Blatche because the salaries won’t match up otherwise.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Bynum at 14 mil means the Wiz will never pick up that phone
by hambonejackson on May 10, 2011 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think both of you are right
We don’t want Bynum at his price + the Lakers don’t want anything we have, except maybe Wall.
Conclussion: a deal with the Lakers for Bynom (or any other player) seems highly unlikely.
"I'll be lounging on the couch, just chillin in my snuggie, klick to MTV so they can teach my how to douggie" (Buno Mars, The lazy song)
by Dutch Hoopfan on May 10, 2011 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions
$14 mill and only 330 games in 6 years . . .
Even if someone wants to discount his rookie season, the guy just isn’t healthy enough at the price he commands.
Even when he is healthy he’s just in the mix of good NBA centers. A person could make the argument that he’s #2 in the league behind Howard, but the distance between Bynum and the other top 6 or 7 is minimal (a couple are better defensively, another set are just as good offensively, and all of them are healthier). The distance to the next tier of 7 or 8 centers isn’t that great either.
Wall for Bynum is a bad joke. Wall had a historically great rookie season. He is already in the top 10 in PGs. In terms of his all-around game the sky is the limit.
Bynum may still be very young, but it’s a pretty safe bet that he will never be an elite center. This is likely to be true even if he stays healthy.
IMO bynum is breaking out right now, it's all about health.
He’s on the verge of bringing Shaq-esque physical dominance to the position (not that he will be shaq) dominant). The kid is finally becoming the grown ass man and the result is looking like a guy who will physically beat up on everybody else in the league. He really is that big and strong.
But those injury issues are a huge concern, and imo chances are will derail him
The health issues are real
Although he’s never really had an injury that you can assign to the regular wear and tear of the season (like how Yao or McGrady will get injured annually). First knee injury was landing awkwardly on Lamar Odom’s foot, second was having Kobe literally fall into his leg, and the meniscus injury over the summer was derived from the Kobe hit. Granted, having all these injuries isn’t a great thing, but I’ll reserve judgment on the “injury prone” label until his knee spontaneously breaks down from simply playing.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on May 11, 2011 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
A historically great rookie season?
I don’t doubt for a second that Wall is going to be a great player and he was thrust into a pretty terrible situation for a rookie point, but “historically great” sounds like blatant hyperbole for a guy who had a lot of ups and downs. Jordan and Magic had historically great rookie seasons, Wall didn’t.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Fair point . . .
I’m fine describing it as just a “merely” great rookie year. Maybe not Magic, Jordan, or Chamberlain first-ballot Hall of Fame great, but measured against the standard of what constitutes a “great” rookie year, his year is still on the high end. In many years he would have won the ROY.
He set a few rookie records of varying significance (e.g. first rookie to have 9 assists in 9 games on a team at the age of 19 on a team that doesn’t have great shooters; All-Star weekend rookie challenge record; 3rd youngest player to record a triple-double — tied Magic’s rookie record for also adding 6 steals in his first 6 games; through the first 29 games he finished second in assists behind Mark Jackson — unlike Jackson he wasn’t playing with Patrick Ewing).
Even though his rookie year was “merely” great, I still wouldn’t trade him for Bynum. Even if you equalized contracts, I wouldn’t trade him for Bynum.
Oh, yeah, I wouldn't expect you to trade him for Bynum
Not much point from your end. Just indicating that the only way Washington would have a chance at Bynum is including Wall.
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
by Ben R on May 11, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
He had a pretty good rookie year
Wall was named the Most Outstanding Player at the 2010 Las Vegas Summer League, averaging 23.5 points, 7.8 assists, 4.0 rebounds and 2.5 steals in 32.3 minutes per game.Wall made his NBA debut in a 112-83 loss to the Orlando Magic. He had 14 points, 9 assists, and 3 steals. In his third game, his first home game, he tied a franchise record with nine steals, and became only the second player in NBA history to get nine assists or more in each of his first three games. On November 10, Wall recorded his first career triple-double with 19 points, 10 rebounds, and 13 assists to go along with 6 steals and only 1 turnover. In doing so, Wall became the second rookie, along with Magic Johnson, to record a triple-double with six steals in his first six games. Wall was the third youngest player to record a triple double in NBA history.
by hambone jackson on May 11, 2011 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure, those are the high points
He also ranked in the top third in his position in turnover rate (13.2), was a pretty inefficient scorer (49.4 TS%), and had a so-so PER (15.85). All of those things are correctable and pretty understandable for a rookie point guard without a good supporting cast. It’s fair to say he acquitted himself rather well. His jumper will improve, which will get him more room to operate on drives and analyzing the floor, and his floor vision will get better as he plays more and gets better teammates (Derrick Williams comes to mind) to complement him. I’m definitely not saying that he didn’t have a “good” year, but there’s a big gap between that and “historically great.”
To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
Those high points are great in NBA history
There were 2 second in NBA history, a third youngest in NBA history and a tied franchise record. Too bad he was on such a shitty team. Fortunately, last season was a low point and they are in a position to begin the climb back up.
by hambone jackson on May 11, 2011 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
The Wizards lotto pick
is going to suck, this is the worst draft in recent memory and if the Wiz don’t get a top 3 pick, we’re screwed
I’d rather trade it for a 2012 pick, but the Lakers need a young PG and both Kemba and/or Brandon Knight will be avaiable
if we traded AB + Shard and the pick for Pau, we will be getting the best player in the deal. The Lakers also get a young PF and a young PG…to build for their future.
Win-Win.
We need a veteran in the front court, PERIOD
i'D LIKE TO ADD
Andray is never going to “Get it” here… maybe he’ll get it with Kobe in his face everyday
by Faisal Hassan on May 10, 2011 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Timing is important . . .
By the time Wall starts hitting his prime, Gasol will be in decline. Acquiring Gasol also restricts options in the near future. It may be a long shot to land Dwight Howard, but I’d rather have the cap space available to consider that option. A Gasol and Wall combo would be an improvement over where we are now, but it would also put a ceiling on what this team could become (e.g. it would be a recipe for a a team that’s competing for the 5th or 6th seed in the Eastern Conference rather than a serious contender for the Conference and League Championships).
Bynum won't be traded, unless it's for Dwight.
As bad as Bynum’s foul on Barrea was, it will be forgotten about come next season. You can’t trade a player like Bynum just because he decked someone in a playoff game. I don’t like him, personally, but he’s a 7’0 center that can actually play center the right way. He won’t be traded unless they can get Dwight.
YURP
by TheYurpman on May 10, 2011 7:55 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
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To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself. -- Sun Tzu
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